You said that you do not want to compare deportations with the holocaust... Margot Friedländer, one of the few Holocaust survivors who are still alive, said: "A lot of what is happening now, reminds me of what happened in that dark past... this is how it all started".. and this is why it is absolutely necessary to protest against the far-right... you cannot blame the current Germany for what has happened many decades ago, but it is our responsibility now to make sure that it does not happen again!

@kommentator50

4 ай бұрын

Actually, this is being misquoted in a lot of social media posts. This was her reaction to the rising antisemitism specifically, not to the general far right extremism or the planned deportations. Actually, she attributed the rising antisemitism to young „Germans“ being influenced by antisemitic migrants, unfortunately reproducing the myth of imported antisemitism

@HappyHippyHuddy

4 ай бұрын

Read the whole interview with WDR. She said its because of anti Jew Migrants.

@davdav3945

4 ай бұрын

Completely agree, that is why we are on the protests

@alexflyDE

3 ай бұрын

You're ripping her words out of context. Read/Watch the whole interview. She's not scared of the far-right, but of the uncontrolled migration of people who hate jews.

@bangelos1380

3 ай бұрын

My dad is born 1930. He just said: "Das hatten wir alles schon einmal. "Was kann der kleine Gefreite aus Österreich schon groß ausrichten?" " Translated:" We have had this already: What could this little lance corporal from Austria do?" I think, that's it. A lot of Germans thought so far: This right wing AFD is ugly, but who cares, there is not a real danger ( for me ). Now they realize, it is already dangerous. If you are not in line with these right wing people, you can become a victim now.

In Germany a party or NGO can get banned if its goals threaten the constitutional order.

@uwesauter2610

4 ай бұрын

The attempt to ban the NPD backfired. The Constitutional Court rejected the application because the government had appointed an informant to the board.

@harrydehnhardt5092

4 ай бұрын

Nope. The court said that the allegations were true, but they rejected to ban the NPD because they were too marginal to ever achieve their goals.

@carolinacremasta277

4 ай бұрын

@@uwesauter2610 Wrong. It was rejected due to the NPD's influence/potential being insignificant. The issue you are referring to was resolved long before the court's conclusion. Just telling you because I myself thought they rejected the ban because of the V-Männer. Until I read about it just a few days ago.

@Hackimaster

4 ай бұрын

@@carolinacremasta277 You both are correct actually. There were two major attempts to ban the NPD. The first one was about having too many informants in the party ("V-Leute") in 2003. The second one was what you mentioned about the insignificance of the party as a whole in 2017.

@KxNOxUTA

4 ай бұрын

To add to the explanation of non-German ppl (and I also recently learned this, due to the petition to get AfD banned in certain areas): By Germany law, it is not enough reason for them to have "opinions" or "ideas" that are not in alignment with the constitution. Imagine a different scenario: We had ppl rasing questions about "right of life" and if a "right for death" can be derived from it. The first can be e.g. a point of discussion with abortion access, the later is a discussion point in regards to ppl's rights to get palliative care and how ethical it is to withhold medication from terminally ill patients that helps them to pass away painlessly. If it was enough perceived as sth. that goes against constitution and that alone was enough to get a political party banned, then that would be problematic. So what it takes instead, is for court to not only pass judgement of them having plans that go against constitution, but also the power to implement it. If you took the examples above: Since these examples could potentially / or did (in the past) clash with human right one direction or the other, it actually matters what the plan of implementation is. And in these cases, the plans were or are to gain official approval via democratic means and to then also have a ton of controls in place against abuse and it has to work with consense etc. etc. etc. So parties planning to make changes, cannot be forbidden by extremists who think people have no rights to their bodies. Now with the NPD in the past and AfD in the present: not only are their ideas and methods against constitution and attacking democracy as such, but it also matters if they are likely to be successful in implementing these things. Cause in a sense: Even if you shout at your neighbour, if you do not attack them, you'll likely just get warnings. Even if you are deemed capable of attacking, German law does NOT easily allow to arrest people based of things they haven't attempted to do yet or taken solid planing steps towards. And the expectation is, that even if AfD tried to do implement their ideas of laws, they democratic process would assure they fail to go through with it. Democracy aims to educate people and re-integrate them into society, in Germany. People are not "punished" by law here. People are corrected and eventually forbidden to do things as a warning that worse consequences may follow, which again though, only have the function to correct their behaviour. Until the point a person's behaviour is deemed incorrigible and too dangerous to public and only that warrants an exempt to their human right of freedom. Its difficult, because you don't want it to be easy, when too many jerks happen to gain power.

Well Ryan, in Germany votes are democratic but, we do have a lot more parties to vote for, as the US with the Democrats and Republicans. Every party that receives more than 5% of the vote is represented in the parliaments (federal and state). Therefore, there will almost always be coalition governments in Germany. No party has managed to win more than 50% of voters in at least 40 years. In my personal opinion this is far better than the US-System - "The winner takes them all" wich leaves a lot of votes in all states behind.

@primel6508

4 ай бұрын

In my eyes the AfD and their friends and supporters should've been observed way earlier. I'm sure for a huge mass of the Germans it was very clear that they are nothing but NAZIs! They shouldn't have got the permission to get voted!!! And yes, there was a former neo NAZI Party called NPD which was not allowed anymore....after there members and friends had been set fire on shelters of refugees and other foreign people, jews e.g....they marched through larger and shorter citys, they bought propertys and from there they poisened peoples minds with their right-wing-radical mind sets. They should've been forbidden much earlier, but at least it happened. Now, we need to show the AfD and their Nazi-follower, that we don't want this going to be happen again!!! Enough is enough!!! Hope these protests won't stop until the goals are scored. I like your interest in german issues and ...I know it's not my Business, of course, but.....maybe you Americans could do the same against Trump???? He'll also bring trouble to your United Staates, than the AfD courses trouble Herr.....really bad trouble!!!! Will continue watch your chanel....really Like it! 👍👍😆

@to.l.2469

4 ай бұрын

In fact, the USA is not a democracy but rather an oligarchy with democratic painting. Found in a study by Princeton University.

@MiaMerkur

3 ай бұрын

​@@to.l.2469 Well at leat it seems so, when the Bushes and Reagans and Trumps and other representers of the richest US families and companies succeed to become even richer on the cost of the poor, the most americans.

@MiaMerkur

3 ай бұрын

Very good explanation.

@shy-Denise

2 ай бұрын

@@to.l.2469 yeah the US is only a "partial democracy"... according to the democracy index on wikipedia

Under german law, you can ban political parties if they are ruled to be an anti-constitutional/anti-democratic organisation. There are a couple groups that are already banned under this rule, most well known obviously being the NSDAP and associate organisations. This is a pretty drastic measure that's only rarely reached for of course. I don't know if this is possible under US law (may conflict with the 1st amendment?) but the ban on terrorist organisations is somewhat close I guess.

@DSiato

4 ай бұрын

A terrorist organization can be banned by the government, its relatively easy. A political party can only be banned by the supreme court and this is a long and dreadful process, so it rarely happens.

@boonamai8926

4 ай бұрын

They will never manage to ban the AFD anyways, they didn't even manage it with the much more openly far right NPD. And even if they would, where would all the voters go? 🤔There are actually plenty of smaller right wing parties that everyone from the AFD could just join and create a new AFD under different name. Outright banning the political opposition is a joke anyways, what do we have a democracy for?

@mweskamppp

4 ай бұрын

The Communist party was banned in the 1950s. Since then no other party. They tried with the Neo-Nazi NPD but it was not successful. It is mostly symbolic anyways - the people would continue under a different name.

@michaelgoetze2103

4 ай бұрын

Trump's case before the supreme court will be very interesting.

@DieGurke_

4 ай бұрын

Germany has freedom of political choice as a costitutional right. Banning the AfD would be Anti costitutional We are millions. We have rights. We wont let fake news censor us

"links-grün versifft" is exactly what you said. "links-grün" refers to the progressive part of the political spectrum (literally "left-green"). And "versifft" means filthy. They basically used a common derogatory term used by the right for left wingers. Your comparison with Clinton's "deplorables" in the opposite direction was spot on.

@hinekde

4 ай бұрын

Also the term versifft was already used by the Nazis in the 3rd Reich to denounce others. It derives from versyphilisiert, a word created by them to mean infected with syphilis.

@kermitfrosch6559

4 ай бұрын

@@hinekde The socialists of today use the same methods, means and language changes as the socialists of the past. Nothing has changed there. But it shows where the real danger comes from - from the left. From the current government in Germany.

@kermitfrosch6559

4 ай бұрын

@@hinekdeWhat a bullshit. In German: "Siff" stands for several kind of dirt. And Syphilis (which is spelled completely differently) for a disease. The word Siff comes from Syph. Yes, but the word is ancient and today has no colloquial reference to any disease and has long been part of the basic German vocabulary. That was also the case 100 years ago.

@goaltokio3941

4 ай бұрын

@@kermitfrosch6559 what part of his comment is bullshit? It was wideley used to denounce political opponents by the nazis. Then and now

@JackDaniel432

4 ай бұрын

I was also thinking of dirt. But I googled it and it's true. The word was derived from the disease. I was not aware of that. We often use it, especially on hygienic things like toilets, showers and so on.

Please be aware, that we do not have "Winner takes it all" as it is being applied in USA. The more AfD gets even as a small party, the more it is able to influence future decisions as they are able to take part in different instruments of power. However you still need 50 % of voting in total for the governmental parties to rule or you have something called "Minderheitsregierung" and need help from non governmental parties with "wechselnde mehrheit" which means switching majority. It is harder to rule then, but some think it might be more democratic at times.

@lisdraconis2212

4 ай бұрын

Exactly, 22% is a lot. Due to us not just having two parties but atm 5 bigger ones who are sitting in the Bundestag and plenty more outside of it. To get seats in the Bundestag a party must at least get 5% the so called Fünf Prozent Hürde (the five percent hurdle) If a party gets 50% or more votes it is called the Absolute Mehrheit (Absolute Majority) and it can lead alone if it wants to. Most of the time the parties are under 50% and then they have to make coalations with other parties to get the 50% together or make a Mindegheiden Regierung (Minority Government) In a Coalation the parties rule together. Any party who made it into the Bundestag, but is not ruling is the opposition. The AfD is one of the opposition parties rn.

@greentoby26

4 ай бұрын

In addition, it needs to be mentioned that neither the absolute majority for one party nor a minority government has ever manifested in Germany. Every general election since 1949 resulted in a coalition government.

@BlauImHerzen

4 ай бұрын

Die Werteunion ist AFD 2.0, also alles gut, wir rocken die Bude, da der Großteil der CDU Wähler diese CDU von vor 20-25 Jahren wollen und das repräsentiert nunmal die Werteunion! Coalitionspartner für die AFD steht also schon in den Startlöchern.

@0Amaretto0

4 ай бұрын

Finally the right konservative voters are much more now. Over 53%, we can do it.

@clarafreise3063

4 ай бұрын

The fact that coalitions play such a big role in German politics also makes these protests so important in my opinion: Not only do protesters make a general statement against far right views but they also signal to other conservative parties that they would not be willing to accept any form of working together with the AfD, let alone a coalition.

In many countries, there has been a clear "shift to the right" in recent years. And parties such as the AFD have also used crises such as the Ukraine crisis, corona etc. ... to stir up fears. This is actually exactly what Trump did in America. But I myself would never have thought that in our country, with our history, we would have to take to the streets again to oppose this. Unfortunately, there are many parallels and mechanisms to the Weimar Republic. As a schoolboy, I didn't understand how a society supported that at the time. Now I can imagine it ....

@StefanC123

4 ай бұрын

I think for the majority it wasn't much of a threat. Sure, a right-wing party, who cares. A little bit of fascism and idiotic ideas, fear mongering at every crisis. We even saw their raising numbers and still "we need to tolerate them". But that conference just hit a nerv. Every German heard at least once about "Wannsee Konferenz" and now you have high AfD members who discuss with other known fascists about deportations of fellow people?? We made that mistake once and it costed millions of ourselves their lifes and many more abroad, because their "wrong" religion. Never again!

@gandalfgutz1670

4 ай бұрын

This. But it was relieving to see the amount of people willing to stand up

@feroxcorax8288

4 ай бұрын

I still don't understand... i just see it happening... in my brain absolutely nothing about the AfD is votable and they still vote for them...

@mrki4937

4 ай бұрын

@@gandalfgutz1670and especially that this was such a broad coalition, reaching from conservatives to the far-left.

I've just been out protesting the other night and I must admit it feels really good to finally see people rage against the far-right. ❤ "Never again" is now!

@KillKenny09

4 ай бұрын

ihr habt doch einen kompletten Schaden. hol dir bitte noch einen Booster! Tu es für mich. Sei solidarisch.

@swanpride

4 ай бұрын

@@KillKenny09 Verzichte auf jede Impfung und gehe in die Isolierstation eines Krankenhauses. Tu es für mich.

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

Yeah feels good to get paid 60€ for going to protest. Pathetic enemy of democracy that's what you are.

@jeannettewilke205

4 ай бұрын

Gratismut. In der DDR wärst du mutig bei der FDJ Parade mit marschiert oder im dritten Reich halt zur Maiparade oder was auch immer von der jeweiligen Diktatur empfohlen wurde😂

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

Parrott with not even a bird brain to work with.

I will be on two protests on Sunday with our complete family, it's important to protect democracy and prevent fascism to happen again. Deportation is horrible, it would literally mean that my cousin's husband would be "removed" as well as numerous friends of mine . No tolerance for anyone undermining democracy, diversity and freedom. All democratic parties need to unite - conservative, social democratic, left, green to stop those fascists.

@user-oc3nd2jh7g

4 ай бұрын

Do you call that democracy when the Government calls for protests against another political party?? Do you call that freedom if anyone who doesn't agree with the current governments has to worry about their homes being searched, being harrassed and some end up in jail. Is that still freedom? Why are those protests against another political party happening now? I tell you why, it's do distract from the massive farmers protests all over Germany and to talk about nothing else. The Government and the mainstream media are trying to downplay the entire thing but there is something called social media and leaders from other countries are paying attention and this has been an embarrasment to the current Government. Deportations are meant for people who are illegally in Germany, whose asylum applications have been rejected and so it is in every other country in Europe as well as the US. If your cousin's husband is there legally he has nothing to worry about!!

@user-jr9lh2xe2j

4 ай бұрын

Why would he be removed, is he there without going through the proper channels?

@cornflakegirl4811

4 ай бұрын

@@user-jr9lh2xe2j No, legally ... but have you watched the video with some members of the AFD shouting "Deutschland den Deutschen, Ausländer raus" in a disco? Do you think people like this won't cross a line? The less radical members were successfully removed, the majority of members left is far right, a lot of them already watched by the "Verfassungsschutz". A fascist like Björn Höcke is talking about "ethnic homogenisation" of Germany and Europe - and by the way NO ONE should simply be sent back to a dangerous place just because he/she is illegal - a lot of people arrive illegally because the "proper" channels are getting more narrow.

@Lots17

4 ай бұрын

​@@user-jr9lh2xe2jthey want to remove, aka deport, anyone who isn't ethnically German. Even if they've got German citizenship

@m0ldygiraffe

4 ай бұрын

@@user-jr9lh2xe2jThey don’t care about paper work and specifically stated that even people with a german citizenship should be deported.

the "secret meeting" was published by the private investigator/reporter magazine "Correctiv" and is avaible in diffrent languases. Its called "Secret Plan against Germany" in English

@alexanderantoninsommerkamp4714

4 ай бұрын

„Correctiv“ has a strong leftist bias if I might add

@franhunne8929

4 ай бұрын

@@alexanderantoninsommerkamp4714 Well, the others had an extremist rightist bias - and that was not right. It reminded of the Wannsee-Conference. Look that up

@claasengelbart2268

4 ай бұрын

@@bofh85 “Correctiv” is significantly more trustworthy than the AfD could ever be.

@bofh85

4 ай бұрын

@@claasengelbart2268 I think both are equally not trustable. They all have there hidden agendas. I don't like hidden agendas.

@Paddeltroll

4 ай бұрын

'Correctiv' is NOT a private organisation! It is a 'gGmbH' and is paid by government-affiliated lobby groups. Since the 'Wannsee Meeting' we haven't heard anything about the farmers' protests that are still taking place. Unusual?

My take on these demonstrations, as I understand them is: Many ppl votet for the AfD in the past, just as a protest to the current government. And slowly but steady, this pushed the AfD very high to a point, which is now concerning. So, the reason to demonstrate is, firstly: Ok, enough, we are more ppl against the AfD as people who are for the AfD and we are no longer quietly in the background, we are here for you to see. And secondly, if you don't like our government (which many ppl in fact don't) it is no reason to choose a right/nazi party. You have other options to choose from, not an anti EU, anti everything party, which, if you look at their program closely, will not even fullfill either, what you think they will.

@praefectusvigilum6997

4 ай бұрын

What? Nazi party? Where? In hermany? Which party? The AfD? Are you serious? Yes? You mean it? Oh my god! That's so ridicoulus

@praefectusvigilum6997

4 ай бұрын

Are you serious? If yes , your comment is just ridiculous!

@swanpride

4 ай бұрын

I think the point is more to take a stand. The AfD always claimes to speak for the "silent majority", hence it is important to show that no, they don't speak for anyone other than the idiots who decide to vote for them. It also sends a very clear message to the other parties that they will face reprussions if they decide to team up with the AfD - which isn't necessarily a concern with the Social Democrats or the Greens, but could be one regarding the Conversatives and the Liberals down the line. Unless the door is closed beforehand.

@mrsirkosky7618

4 ай бұрын

Well, what if someone agrees with the points of the AfD?

@seynoonrae2474

4 ай бұрын

According to polling data more people are against the current government than the AfD, also your protest is an unnatural one compared to a natural one. Unnatural means it was instigated and paid for to make it, unlike the farmer protest which came from the farmers and the organisation behind them in bed with the green party didn't even want it. Also your protest is based one a lie fabricated by a group whose leader openly talked about how he despises Germany and German people and who is financed by the current government and its organisations and backers. They are not an independent group. Also there were more CDU members present at the not secret secret meeting than AfD members. Were is your protest against the CDU, were is your call for the ban of the CDU. Nowhere as you are a sheep that follows what it is told. Wonder how many accidental interviews with members of mainstream media members and party members of the current government without mentioning that they are it needs for you to realise that these protest are not natural.

I was up on the street on Sunday. Among 12 000 others in my town of 100 000 people. It was freezing cold and icy and slippery, but definitely worth it

@justastrangegirl

4 ай бұрын

danke

@barbelarmbroster6524

4 ай бұрын

Steh auf, mach laut! 😀👍

@tauernautobahn

4 ай бұрын

Niemals wieder leise sein. Danke!

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

Schade dass ihr euch alle umsonst den Arsch abfriert weil ihr gar keine Ahnung habt dass ihr gegen Demokratie demonstriert. Peinliches Pack. Also ein Bruchteil eurer Stadt war da... und die musste man mit 60€ bestechen dass ie kommen stimmts? Witzfiguren.

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

@@tauernautobahn gerade wer keine Ahnung hat sollt leise sein also einfach mal Fresse halten Kinder.

The "Je suis" is a reference in rememberance of the "Je suis Charlie [Hebdo]" protests in France a while ago. It was about freedom of speech basically.

@marc9080

4 ай бұрын

Oui en effet! Nous n'oublierons jamais cet attentat de fanatiques musulmans! idem pour le fanatisme politique d'extrême droite, ces gens sont profondément mauvais mais arrivent à te faire penser le contraire par la lâcheté et surtout en jouant sur la mémoire courte et sélective de l'humain.

@silkwesir1444

4 ай бұрын

Why do you feel the need to point that out? Ryan mentioned it in the video...

@FrogeniusW.G.

4 ай бұрын

@@silkwesir1444 I commented before that. Other people/viewers did as well.

You can ban a party in Germany if they don't stand inside the constitution. But it is a very long and complicated process.

@danielradatz3092

4 ай бұрын

There is only a Grundgesetz in Germany.

@chris34hh

4 ай бұрын

@@danielradatz3092 The Grundgesetz, often referred to as the Basic Law, serves as Germany's constitution since its adoption in 1949.

@Killerpixel11

4 ай бұрын

@@danielradatz3092 Which is the constitution.

@hinekde

4 ай бұрын

It's a bit more than that: The party must pose a thread to democracy. So it is not enough, that they are fascist and anti-democratic, there must also be the possibility, that they make their threads true. That's why the rather small NPD could not be banned, but the AfD might be.

@nonchip

4 ай бұрын

@@danielradatz3092 "only"? as opposed to what exactly? the same thing with a different name for no reason? because you'll note all the state constitutions ratify it.

"It could never be repeated," oh, it will. It just won't be in Germany any time soon.

@zorglub20770

4 ай бұрын

who knows. Depends on the economic stability of the country. What occured 80 years ago followed the 1929 crisis. Now, given the debts of the european countries, the lack of investments, the rampant impoverishment due to the inflation. The unemployment level is still low but it takes little for the system to collapse.

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

It get's repeated in Germany just in this moment. Nazis were socialists don't forget that and it shows because it's always the Left showing fascist tendencies nowadays.

@HiJk_cy

4 ай бұрын

@@zorglub20770 das System was uns die Amis aufgezwungen haben

@darkaurumarts4931

4 ай бұрын

@@zorglub20770the economic disaster 1929 was a reaction to the first world war and the aftermath sanctions.

we have two types of protests in germany. 1: Farmerprotests becauce of tax an law changes 2: protest against the AFD party. this are two complete different things

@bh5037

4 ай бұрын

THESE are two complete different things ..... this is singular

@blenderpanzi

4 ай бұрын

3: protests for measures against climate change

There were 5 processes to ban politcal parties in Germany. Two were successful, the SRP a successor of the Nazi Party NSDAP was banned in 1952, the communist party KPD was banned in 1956. The other 3 processes against right wing extremist parties (FAP, NL; NPD) failed for different reasons. The NPD just got away because the judges said it is so insignificant that the damage fore democracy in banning a party is higher than getting the party voted and not getting a representative at all.

@Anthyrion

4 ай бұрын

I've learned recently that there is a law, that forbids to found a new political party with old members. That means: If the AfD will be really banned, the old members can't just found a new one like "AfD 2.0"

@PropperNaughtyGeezer

4 ай бұрын

That is completly true.

@user-zo4yi2vc1j

4 ай бұрын

It's important to understand, banning political parties was once a very successful strategy used by the nazi-party to get rid of political opponents. It''s a bit weird to see, that the exact same arguments used by NSDAP to ban the SPD are now used by left-wingers.😅

@arnewengertsmann9111

4 ай бұрын

Which is kind of a ban in its own right. They destroyed their reputation entirely.^^

@loggarius

4 ай бұрын

Actually there were 2 processes against npd. Only the second failed because of irrelevance. The first one failed because the whole first row of the party were informants for German intelligence services without knowing that they aren’t the only one

Its feels very releaving right now. After three years of being heavily forced away from each other and feeling like everybody lost their mind, it feels like we could possibly get back together, at least to the absolute bare minimum of being humans.

@TheCyberCore

4 ай бұрын

Yes, please!

@pn490

4 ай бұрын

No thanks. Vaccinated people are Not my friends they are my enemy.

@Katejsej

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, it is crazy. I'm walking through the streets with a smile. Never was that confident about us.

@user-fy4qb1nm4d

4 ай бұрын

Wieso 3 Jahre?

@Katejsej

4 ай бұрын

@@user-fy4qb1nm4d Corona, Ukraine, Inflation, Energie und Hetze. Das hat uns alle auseinandergetrieben. Aber jetzt konnte man sehen, dass wir doch noch alle eine Gesellschaft, oder wie Rechte sagen würden, ein Volk sind.

9:20 you have to keep in mind the wide spectrum of political parties in Germany compared to the US. "Undecided" in this context, doesn't necessarily mean "centrist", one could for example also be undecided about voting for the far-right AfD or rather the more middle-right CDU.

@CDNTruckerNS

4 ай бұрын

middle-right CDU? LOL they are more leftwing than the LINKE, middle-right is the Werteunion

@feyternerdworld

4 ай бұрын

Speaking of CDU members of that party were also present in that meeting but seems to be fine for everyone 🙂

@marcelx174

4 ай бұрын

CDU is middle-right? 😂😂😂 CDU was always the middle. After 16 years of Merkel, the CDU is what she is today. Still the middle. But the middle 2024 was quite left in 2000. And what we call far right in 2024 was the center in 2000.

@delqyrus2619

4 ай бұрын

@@marcelx174 In which alternate universe is the CDU the middle? Angela Merkel has pushed human rights in Germany to the limit of what is constitutionally permissible. She has implemented 5 tightenings of asylum law and not a single relaxation. The CDU always was the far right - this doesn't change just because the AfD is even worse.

@KxNOxUTA

4 ай бұрын

@@feyternerdworld No? It was not OK and in our demonstration it was publicly condemned. I can't stand CDU for the life of me, BUT there's still a big difference between individual creeps and a whole party of creeps. Aka if this was a meeting and the AfD as a parts were fishy but OK-ish, then there would not be a ruckus, other than them getting consequences as individuals. I'm also not informed about this but did AfD party members condemn the ppl who were at that meeting, from their own party? If so, do we find it plausible enough they seriously mean it? CDU has quite a lot of misogynistic and homophonic & transphobic stuff going on, which is bad enough. But overall, they are still acceptable enough to bear with. And individuals of theirs get weeded out often, too :'D. And there's still a big portion of genuinely decent ppl in there, too. But the story is VERY different for the AfD and their very very consistently dehumanising approach to people and political decisions. Thus: Please do not frame it as if noone noticed or commented on the CD involvement. We did. And if that wakes up some of their voters, then all the better. The atmosphere was sufficiently tense, when their representative spoke and also when church representatives spoke. But they did take stance and they better keep to their promise in regards to "Unvereinbarkeitsbeschluss zu Werteunion". Aka incompatibility of CDU with Wertunion, meaning CDU members can't be part of Wertunion, an association from CDU base which now aims to form their own party and said party and their leader, sympathised with the AfD and considered collaboration. But yeah .... right wing ppl are .... still a headache in too many regards, when I think of human rights and how they're murky in separating state and religion!! 😑I almost wanna say "good job swinging red flags in regards to your party" to those members at that creepy meeting with AfD ppl (who never cease to wave theirs)

As a german myself i was shocked things like these are even being considered, mass deportation of GERMAN CITIZENS (no matter their "roots") would be the start of something very bad to come and we'd have a second coming of h*tler and THAT, nobody sane wants that. I am disgusted, ashamed and sad to see this having to happen in 2024 - yet i am PROUD of every single person who demonstrated with us! Stay safe people!

@pata3075

4 ай бұрын

I am a german, i was born there. Both of my parents are born here but my grandma is from hungary. Thats so bullshit. I don't think anything will happens to me but with that kind of rule you can really dig deep.

"Links-grün-versifft" in Germanyis like saying leftard in Merica.

Sadly, never say never...we all have to fight for democracy if we want to maintain it. People here in Germany have been very unsatisfied with the general state of the country for a couple of years now. the AFD and their Nazi companions are using the situation to use ever increasing derogative language to normalize their way of thinking. Sadly, in at least 5 out of 16 states, the AFD is now leading polls with 30+% of votes. As this year a lot of stars will vote for new local gouvernments, the situation is very worrisome 😢 hopefully the protest will help to rectify the situation.

@mrsirkosky7618

4 ай бұрын

Why is this worrisome?

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

You're fighting against democracy with that. But you would need to understand politics to know that and now let yourself get brainwashed 24/7. It's sad and pathetic that so many of you people don't know shit about our countries politics. You don't know what fascism is or else you wouldn't support the old parties because they're all fascists.

@herrbonk3635

4 ай бұрын

@@mrsirkosky7618 Because there is nothing the corrupt ruling class fear more than true democracy.

@pata3075

4 ай бұрын

​@@mrsirkosky7618use your brain if you dont understand it

@koala7254

4 ай бұрын

​@@mrsirkosky7618 because leaders of the afd are strong right wing. kind of ancestors of the third reich. they want to deport citizens. they plan to end free journalism and free science.

"my allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy!" - Obi Wan Kenobi

@phillipsmejkal1

4 ай бұрын

Look how corrupt and easy to manipulate the Republic ecspecially the jedis became. That's the whole reason behind the clone wars they couldn't see how far the war pushed them away from what they once were.

@xylfox

4 ай бұрын

😅

In 1954, Congress passed an act banning the Communist Party in the US. The President then signed it into law in June 1954. It wasn't until 1972 that the Colorado Supreme Court ruled such a ban from having candidates on the ballot was unconstitutional.

@KxNOxUTA

4 ай бұрын

yep democracy takes time. But it's not a bad thing when the reverse is the case and extremists are trying to implement things. Though ... the system in America sure as heck fails to represent ppl and majority and protect their rights. As we saw many times, but especially recently with row wade and now, as women with miscarriages are getting dragged before court. It's mortifying. But also internationally yet another wakeup call for sure!

As a born German, I find it embarrassing, that we as a country still seem to have an issue with far rights and it fills me with pride, that the majority doesn’t seem to accept the AfD and protests against this political party. I hope that someday, the far right political spectrum and those who could be specified as Nazis will finally not be an issue that we have to fight anymore!

@smiley3128

4 ай бұрын

Es ist allerdings nicht die AFD die Deutschland gerade in den Abgrund führt, sondern die Ampel-Regierung.

@Nik-jq4tx

4 ай бұрын

Are proud of mass migration of muslims?

In The Netherlands some right wing parties where forbidden but it's a long and difficult history.

@sns4748

4 ай бұрын

AfD is not far right

@Pendragon667

4 ай бұрын

Honest question: how did it went in terms of the movement? What i mean is: the AfD and other right-wing parties have perfected the act of playing the victim. Forbidding a party or even demonstrating against it could potentially fuel their cause. And their supporters and leaders could just create a new party. A new party that, granted, has to regain financial support and stability and a number of members. My fear is, as much as i personally hate the AfD because they partly somewhat destroying our family, forbidding the AfD could spark a movement fueld by hate and violence that would be hard to stop.

@brojo355

4 ай бұрын

@@Pendragon667 Thats actually not allowed anymore. After the ban of the KPD in the 50th the constitutional court decided, that member of banned parties are not allowed to just recreate it. I dont know every detail, but I´am pretty sure that at least leading members are not allowed to work together in political organisations after a ban. But of course there are concerns, that other members of a banned party could just influcence another party from within, or just their program when other parties are trying to "catch" their former voters.

@0Amaretto0

4 ай бұрын

@@Pendragon667 They did not "play" the victims, they ARE victims. A lot of them were attacked on the streets and in the media. There was even a case where they won an election and the government just did the election again, because they didnt liked the outcome. Its a shame what the do to democrats, they hate them. Thats why the government is organizing these "protests", they are frightend of democracy and free will.

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

​@@Pendragon667 playing the victim? Are you dumb? Playing the victim is what it means to be Left everyone knows that. The AfD got flag since they got founded for no reason. You're also thinking JK Rowling is a transphobe because you read it on twitter right? The AfD is the only democratic party left right now. The others are highly fascist and act like a single party - but for that you'd need to know what fascism is. It's not the AfD that is destroying your family it is the members of your family so close minded and brain washed that they hate the AfD. Maybe listen to them for once before parotting shit other people tell you. It's called democracy and the Left needs to learn to deal with democracy no matter how much they'd love a dictatorship.

One big Problem of our time and in great parts of the world is the growing tendency among people towards political polarization. People do not appreciate a sensible middle course or any kinds of compromise. They tend to take extreme positions and see anything not close to their position as the complete opposite of what they want and thus something to fight or even to hate. I do think social media platforms like X play a key role in this unfortunately still proceeding tendency.

@fjeldfross9327

4 ай бұрын

I agree. Sadly. And its getting worse and worse

A friend and I went to a demonstration in our city just yesterday evening. We live in the North-East which is... not the leftest area in our country, y'know. No matter if we're considering the official numbers (6.5K) or the ones from the people in charge of making the demo happen (9.5K), it was the biggest demo against far-rights here in like 20-ish years. That was a real "faith in mankind restored" moment. A granny who we guessed must have been a contemporary witness of n*zi Germany talked to us randomly and it was so sweet to see her so happy about the protest, and she told us to never give up and in. ♥ And nope, it had nothing to do with the farmer's protest, the meeting was just at the same time coincidentally. (Or at least I hope it was coincidence, hah.) On banning parties: In Germany you can ban political parties (and all follow-up parties that might get founded by their members if one actually gets banned) if they're seriously threatening democracy, which the AfD is confirmedly trying. That law was specifically implemented in order to prevent 1930's sh1t from happening ever again and I am now more than ever grateful for it. Btw, said party is officially confirmed far-right *extremist* in three federal states already, which gives the banning process higher chances to succeed. Two of these states are of the three that have state elections happing in September, with disturbingly high chances of winning for the AfD... My theory is this might be one of the reasons why those demonstrations could be realised THAT spontaneously. Time's running out for a banning process if we don't want to see this party succeed in one of those states at least for a short while. And nobody with the tiniest bit of brain cells and heart would ever want this to happen, honestly.

@patriciawei9575

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, great, let's ban the party before they get elected in a free election, in a democratic country.

@98Zai

4 ай бұрын

@@patriciawei9575 Well, if said party messes with democracy once they're in.. it's gonna be hard to get them out again. It's WAY better to nip it in the bud than see what happens. I'm glad people are vigilant, even if you fell victim to some propaganda. They can always change their leadership and political motives and try again, like they have before.

@alexanderpunde

4 ай бұрын

Gegen demokratisch gewählte Parteien zu hetzen ist undemokratisch.

4:00 The Federal Constitutional Court can ban anti-democratic, anti-constitutional parties if they become a threat, on application of either the Federal Government or one of the two chambers of the Federal Parliament (Bundestag and Bundesrat). That rule was introduced in the constitution after WW II to defend democracy against its enemies (especially the extreme right), but it was rarely implemented (against the SRP - Socialist Reichspartei, a Nazi successor party, in 1952 and against the KPD, the Soviet-controlled Communist party, in 1956). In two other cases the Court judged that the accused organization was not a party at all (FAP, Free German Worker's Party, another Nazi organization, and the NL, National List, which was only active in Hamburg), so they did not have the legal protection a party has and could be banned as unconstitutional associations by the federal ministry of the interior; the process regarding the NPD (National Party Germany) failed at first in 2001 due to multiple (paid) liaisons of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution within the leading committees of the party, which rendered the evidence as invalid, and a second time in 2013 since the court stated that the NPD was far too insignificant to gain ever political power or to implement their anti-constitutional goals. 5:20 Some journalists of the "Corrective" network were informed by some invitee. The meeting took place in a. small seminar hotel in Potsdam, so they booked also rooms in the same hotel and took some pictures with hidden cameras. They also succeeded in getting their hands on some of the handed out papers and in observing parts of the meeting through the garden windows. The meeting was maybe not really "secret", but surely confidential and "private" (as one of the alleged participants had it). 8:20 The Nazis did also start out with deportations and withdrawing citizenships - that is the first step. And that is also the reason why the German constitution does in general not allow to withdraw German citizenship (except if the concerned individual has already another valid citizenship).

I am German and also live in Germany and it shocks me that after Germany's dark past there are still people who harbor so much hatred. Germany is a country of diversity, a country where everyone is welcome regardless of religion, culture or skin color. It must never happen again that right-wing extremist parties come to power and put their misanthropic ideas into practice. I am all the more proud that so many people are taking to the streets and demonstrating for humanity and solidarity. There is no place for Nazis in Germany.

@realdomdom

4 ай бұрын

Your IQ seems to be around 110.

@Kira-jr3qm

4 ай бұрын

Yess right

Going to a protest tomorrow and I just feel glad to protest against people who want to deport families, force religion(christianity) onto small children as well as inhibit abortion.

It can't be repeated? Maybe in a different country, maybe in USA? Impossible? ( it's not only crazy in Germany, thinking who will be your next president)

Any liberal democracy has the right and the responsibility to ban those from participating in politics who want to dismantle it. To uphold Tolerance you need to shun those who shun it otherwise it will be dismantled. Karl Popper correctly assessed this and described it as the "Paradox of Tolerance"

@michaelgoetze2103

4 ай бұрын

I agree. The defense of the structure that ensures individual freedom (the constitution, independent institutions etc) is more important than the right of the individual to do as they please.

@zwojack7285

4 ай бұрын

Tolerance is a social contract. If you become intolerant, you are no longer protected by it.

@TheCyberCore

4 ай бұрын

Yes, that is true. But you can not use it to ban opposition just because you don't like them - and this is the only reason for this ban in Germany...

@pallao3500

4 ай бұрын

@@TheCyberCore No, its not. Thats just your excuse to make it seem illegitimate. GG 21 (2) is VERY clear about when a political party loses its right to exist, and the AfD is ABSOLUTELY at this point. The decision NOT to start the banning process anyway, THATS a political decision because our politicians are too worried about the years it'd take to finish the banning process.

@sellout2583

4 ай бұрын

@@pallao3500 the Green Party and also SPD and FDP should be banned because of their antidemocratic behavior. I think you come from western germany or were born after GDR. Because if not you would see that this whole protests reminds on the downfall of the GDR, the last breaths of the SED. All the same here, media which repeat all from government without any critics reminds me also on darker times in Germany. So you should ask you: who is the antidemocrat, who wants to ban a party which has 22% democratic votes. This is ridiculous! Und noch auf deutsch. Wenn Du mir jetzt sagen willst dass dies gerechtfertigt ist, da wir so die Vergangenheit nicht wiederholen… doch gerade das tut ihr hier!!!

Yk I‘m a german teen and ever since I was little I‘ve been taught the AfD may be the „Alternative for Germany (Deutschland)“ yet is actually the only big party that’s definitely NOT an alternative. And that for a reason. In my memory they had like 7% and that sucked, but it having so many now feels surreal. Also the amount of comments you‘re currently reading here in germany coming from afd voters are scary. All racists, homo-/transphobes, women-hating people and in general people with nothing but wrong and human-hating views and ideals. I‘m in 10th grade and we‘ve had WW2 and how it came to that+ how horrible it was multiple times in class. Especially when knowing our history, for me it‘s so scary as time is slowly starting to repeat itself. Just look at the russia and ukraine war. This is some soviet stuff and if human rights and democracy can‘t do anything against this horrible way things are turning out right now, I don‘t know what we learned out of the pasts mistakes? We in germany NEED to drastically improve. The CDU isn‘t doing good, yes, but that doesn‘t make the AfD an alternative! If you vote the AfD cuz you‘re not happy w stuff right now, then you‘re turning many problems into an uncountable number of regrets and problems. The people voting the AfD now are the same that said „We didn‘t know, how could we have?“ when Hitler got on top!

There was some impact to be seen today: The former National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD) has been stripped of its state party funding for six years. The Federal Constitutional Court in Karlsruhe ruled that the NPD, which has since changed its name to "Die Heimat" (The Homeland), is aimed at impairing or eliminating the free democratic basic order. It was the first case of its kind at the highest German court. The party was not banned in a corresponding procedure in 2017 because, in the opinion of the court, it could not achieve its anti-constitutional goals due to a lack of influence. This was followed by an amendment to the Basic Law, according to which state funding can be withdrawn from a party even if it is not banned, and the Bundestag, Bundesrat and Federal Government applied to the Constitutional Court to exclude the NPD and possible substitute parties from party funding for six years. The period is specified by law. The ruling raises the question of whether the right-wing populist AfD can be excluded from state party funding, too. This is being demanded by political opponents of the AfD on the grounds that it is a potential threat to democracy. Reference is made, among other things, to the Saxon Office for the Protection of the Constitution, which classifies the AfD regional association there as definitely right-wing extremist. As in the case of the NPD successor party, this would again have to be decided by the Federal Constitutional Court.

7:30 The entire point of discussing the matter in excruciating detail at school is to learn that it can happen anywhere, to anyone and anytime and for us to learn to see the early warning signs, so we don't let that happen again. People are vigilant. Don't get me wrong, Germany is apparently a fairly racist country in a European context but at least it tends to be masked as just being conservative. It always seem to be the more wild facets of racism. But this? Outrageous. This kind of Trump-style open racism, fact denial etc. is a rather new thing and the AfD is at the forefront of it. It's just a shame that the protest party for the disenfranchised happens to be the far right one that advocates whatever the government doesn't (it's so blatantly obvious but we have a lot of idiots falling for it, just like with Trump in the US). A shining example of how populism works.

@catmom23

4 ай бұрын

Exactly right

@martinpoulsen6564

4 ай бұрын

...meanwhile in the US.

@haraldmax9685

4 ай бұрын

That's complete bollocks. Anyone who says that has no idea what it's like in other countries and cultures. I have travelled halfway around the world and the conclusion is that until a few years ago, Germany was probably the country with the lowest level of at least open racism in the population. This is most likely due to history and how it is communicated to the public. What can be said is that we have an increasing tendency towards imported racism, which will certainly lead to problems in the future due to demographics. And that Germany is now a country in which opinion, channelled by the media and institutions, is subject to harsh indoctrination that successfully reproduces an illusory world in many people's minds.

@pallao3500

4 ай бұрын

@@haraldmax9685 Ah, yes, AfD people are all "imported". And "channelled by the media and institutions" is totally not a far-right tinfoil head talking point used around the world.

@martinpoulsen6564

4 ай бұрын

@@haraldmax9685 and the move to ban AfD?

In my city nearly 10% of the population went to the demonstration.

@Leschsmasher

4 ай бұрын

Deppenheim?

@amrimi8371

4 ай бұрын

@@Leschsmasher Kein Grund ausfallend zu werden. 50.000 haben demonstriert.

@bofh85

4 ай бұрын

​@amrimi8371 50.000 deppen also

@muncangel5993

4 ай бұрын

welche Demos?

@bofh85

4 ай бұрын

@@amrimi8371 Also 50.000 Deppen

8:10 In Germany the word deportation is directly linked to the Nazi regime, cause that's the word they used, but in reality killed them slowly. We have the word "Ausweisung" for a legal deportation.

@analholes77

4 ай бұрын

@@keyboard5494 in English, when you deport someone, you move someone to their home country, because they have no legal right to stay where they are. In the German language the word "Deportation" is rightfully stigmatized to the Nazi way of Deportation. You get it? It's not about what I think is right or wrong, my comment was about language and the word Deportation, which is made of Latin origin, and literally means getting someone out of the door or harbor. It's totally fine that languages use the same words in different languages with slightly different meanings.

@KillKenny09

4 ай бұрын

Hitler hat auch "Autobahn" gesagt. Pass auf, dass du nicht einscheißt XD

@analholes77

4 ай бұрын

@@KillKenny09 Er hat Autobahn gesagt und Autobahn gebaut. Er hat Deportation gesagt aber in Lagern vernichtet. Erkennst du den Unterschied?

@55was

4 ай бұрын

Nur das auf dem Treffen kein AfDler von Deportation gesprochen hat.

@KillKenny09

4 ай бұрын

Remigration Ein Traum wird wahr! @@analholes77

I went to a protest today. Our town is not very large and sadly we have lots of Nazis here, so it was great to see how many other people attended the demonstration. We must have been at least 900

@bofh85

4 ай бұрын

Wow. Saved the world yet? 🤪

@bastiandoen2583

4 ай бұрын

that are sometimes the most important protests! we have one next saturday in our small town and yes, it's about seeing that you are not alone, that in fact the right winger are NOT a majority, they just have been the loudest in the past.

I'm German and my first protest participation was in 2005. At that time the government increased the costs of the university by 1000 euros per year. You didn't have to go to school. you could go demonstrate instead. 😂 is normal in Germany. We are a strike culture. this is how we fight for our rights. I heard that in America, demonstrating is unpatriotic. Oh yes, the tuition fee of 1000 euros was abolished six months later because of the student demonstrations. 🙂

@CakePrincessCelestia

4 ай бұрын

That fee still happened in NRW though during its black-yellow government period (Kabinett Rüttgers) and that literally was that one single drop which successfully prevented me from going to study. Wouldn't have been able to move somewhere else either due to financial reasons since I wasn't eligible for BAFöG and had a hard time already finding a job anyway.

@unrealversum7729

4 ай бұрын

@@CakePrincessCelestia Interesting and sad. I didn't know it was different from state to state. I come from Hesse. I could still have financed it because the university is only a few kilometers away from my parents' house. I gave up the luxury or didn't have to move out to study. Because there was never this fee, I was able to concentrate fully on my studies without having to work part-time. At some point I worked as a tutor at university for fun

@PropperNaughtyGeezer

4 ай бұрын

A french: "They are a strike culture? - Hold my Pernod...."

@unrealversum7729

4 ай бұрын

@@PropperNaughtyGeezer I don't know much about France, but France is more of a country of revolution 🤣

@sherlocklucifer1190

4 ай бұрын

@@PropperNaughtyGeezer Merci. He is talking merde... germans have a strike culture... good joke.

In germany you are always only a few kilometers from terrible history. Not everything is known by everyone, that's why we have "Stolpersteine" and some remember plaque. One is right in front of my sons kindergarten. There was a camp for pow/slave labour.

@sherlocklucifer1190

4 ай бұрын

You know about the places of rape and murder by US-Soldiers after WW2?

What they didn't say was that those mass-deportations wouldn't only include foreigners but also german citizens who have a migrant background, even thought it might have been generations ago, but also basically anyone not supporting the AFD

@bofh85

4 ай бұрын

Just not true

@m.r4841

4 ай бұрын

​@@bofh85Do your research

@bofh85

4 ай бұрын

@@m.r4841 I did. Right from the source.

In the Basic Law, i.e. the constitution, there is the possibility of banning a political party. There are high hurdles for this, because it could also be used as a weapon against political opponents. That's why it's only happened twice so far. On the one hand, in 1952 the Socialist Reich Party, which was founded shortly after the founding of the Federal Republic by former NSDAP members and adopted their ideas. The second case was the Communist Party of Germany in 1956. There were several attempts after that, but no ban procedure was successful. In 2001, an application was made to ban the National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD), a party that acts as a rallying point for neo-Nazis. The process failed in 2003 because the government paid people in high party positions to get information about the party. In 2016, another attempt was made to ban the NPD. The party was classified as anti-constitutional, but was so insignificant (also due to the strengthening of the AFD) that the ban was rejected in 2016. Instead, it was suggested that state funding and tax benefits could be withdrawn from such a party. This was then written into the constitution and today on January 23rd, 2024 the verdict came that the NPD or the party is now called “Die Heimat” and the financial resources and tax advantages will be canceled. So it is difficult to ban a party. First of all, the Bundestag or the Federal Council or the executive submits the application for the party ban to the Federal Constitutional Court. Then there is a procedure that lasts about 3 years in which the party has the opportunity to defend itself, while the applicants have the opportunity to explain why the party is unconstitutional. The Senate of the Federal Constitutional Court must then make a judgment with a two-thirds majority. A Senate has 8 judges.

never again is now ✊

Ryan, the Nazis did not say at the Wannsee Conference that they wanted to kill millions of people. They also spoke of resettlements.

Fear based politics are always the same, the party in question presents itself as the only viable solution to some kind of thread ( which they made up or blew way out of proportion ). This fear falls onto fertile ground much easier when times a rough.

@CDP1861

4 ай бұрын

So far so good. So we have the left who have been saving us from all kinds of crisis for the last two years with less than stellar results. And we have the right who now gain popularity because they apparently want to save us from the left and their antics. It does not really matter which ones you elect. They are equally extreme and awful. The only real differnce is the color of their flags. Where are the boringly rational people who don't promise us paradise or hell and nothing inbetween? I would vote for them despite being completely unspectacular.

@TackerTacker

4 ай бұрын

@@nonnoyobisnis8705 I can't stand Friedrich Merz, but no one should confuse this to be about any moderate right leaning parties, I'm sure a good chunk of people who attend these demonstrations are conservatives. This is about far right extremists and the threat they pose to democracy itself.

@dreieinhalbeck

4 ай бұрын

No, many even called it a 'fight against right' (Kampf gegen rechts) No 'far right' or 'right extremists', just against everyone, who is right on the political spectrum. Unless you happen to be a left conservative Person, you woudn't go there as a conservative.

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

@@TackerTacker which is none because there are almost no far-right extremists. Our problem are far-left extremists that actually do aim to destroy democracy in Germany and it's happening for decades now and they're everywhere because they're brainwashed.

@gragogflying-anvil3605

4 ай бұрын

​@@dreieinhalbeckWhat even is a "left conservative" person? That kinda contradicts itself.

On our demonstration, we were 6000 people in my hometown of 32000 people. I am so proud❤

I am a German citizen and I am currently ashamed of the first part of my sentence. We agreed that it should never happen again. People are leaning on the wrong site.

@Freiya2011

4 ай бұрын

Don't be ashamed! Fight! Attend demontrations. Speak up against propaganda here on the "social" media.

The rightshift and populistic tendencies in the US, whilst basically driven by the same kind of fascist forces as in Europe/GER (extreme neoliberal, darwinistic circles), are partly a matter of educational and religious-emotional issues. In Germany, the AfD has become a pool for antidemocratic, xenophobic, mysogyne and also 'eastalgic' people, who never really arrived in western democracy after 1990. Like in the 1930ies, a lot of folks, thinking shortsightedly and egocentric, are not aware, how a nondemocratic and authoritarian state would look like and also effect their own lives much worse, as it seems to today. It's the fatal nonsense of "it could never get worse but now; they won't act as bad, as they're talking now". Exactly, what brought Germany and the rest of the world the 3. Reich in 1933. We all should rigorously remember, that the NSdAP and Hitler had been elected and did not gain power by coup d'etât.

3:58 The most interesting sign is the one in the background. "Omas gegen Rechts" ("Grannies against right-wing parties".) This time all age groups are represented.

There is an article in the German Basic Law that makes it possible to ban a political party if the party turns out to be unconstitutional. Before this is possible, however, the Office for the Protection of the Constitution must determine whether there is evidence of unconstitutionality. Individuals can also be deprived of their basic right to political activity if they are proven to be acting in an unconstitutional manner. This person may then neither vote nor be elected nor belong to a party nor work directly or indirectly for a party. The articles are located relatively high up in the Basic Law and are intended to ensure that a specialist party can never again come to power in Germany, as was the case with the NSDAP, which led to the Holocaust and WW2. I am convinced that the German Basic Law is one of the best and safest constitutions in the world. Due to the experiences of the 3rd Reich, it was provided with so many protective mechanisms that it is difficult to change it. The first articles are even unchangeable! (so-called “eternity clause”)

"mass deportation of migrants and citizen with foreign roots" translates to 15-25 MILLION people. The guy how said this and calculated it is ironically an Austrian guy :D The sign with "Je suis ..." is an adaptation of an ironically meant sign from the french yellow vest protest some years ago. I cant remember the original one, but the one i remember said "Je suis Rewe" with Rewe being an Supermarket that got smashed up in Hamburg (G20 Protest i think?) The "secret meeting" was infiltrated, taped and photographed from cars and with telephoto and information of it content was spread very quickly. People from AfD and CDU/CSU? where involved and (far)right wingers and Neonazis etc. pp. In german Deportation differ from Abschiebung. Abschiebung is when someone is legally brought out of the country into the one he is coming from. Deportation means the thing that was done to eg the Jews. So wenn someone in germany talks about Deportation, its quit more serious.

@Deus_Ubique

3 ай бұрын

the 15-25mio-figure by sellner is actually now the easiest way to argue/debate with those people. just ask them: so, you wan't to have a germany with 69mio citizens ? or 59mio citizens ? thats what you want ? how does this germany look like ? 30% less who work in elderly-care ? a 25% less in the medical and caring-system ? you wan't every 4. citizen to be deported ? tell me more about this. how should this happen ? in what timeframe the system should adapt to the shift in labour market ? usually this mutes them in a blink. they don't have answers. they don't know shit.

Hallo and Hello I love this intro

Another point of the demonstrations is that the AfD often claims to represent the opinion of the ones who are unhappy with the government. These demonstrations clearly show that this is NOT the case. The fact that leading AfD politicians are trying to DENY the demonstration or to play the amount of the people down („ordered mass of people“) shows pretty obvious that they‘re getting nervous

@boonamai8926

4 ай бұрын

The Afd are not the ones getting nervous. What do you think happens if they get banned? The succeding right wing parties will get even more voters, and DEFINETLY the voters who voted for the AFD before......do you want to ban 30% of the population from voicing their opinion or whats the plan

@ChrisGrump

4 ай бұрын

Nazis will never again hold power in this country. Count on that, mate.@@boonamai8926

@Nutzer11

4 ай бұрын

@@boonamai8926Why then are they acting like this, if that is „good“ for them? Doesn’t sound to make any sense for me

@FAL87

4 ай бұрын

@@Nutzer11 they are far right oportunists. they try to bend reality so it looks like they are the good guys, the people with the right answers, the others are the nazis and so on. I think many people already observed how fascists/far righters call you nazi when you try to discuss with them.

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

AfD doesn't try to deny it the Altparteien are actually blowing the participation WAY out of proportion. It's called propaganda and our government is very good in that. There was way more people protesting at the Bauernprotest than whatever this sorry thing was - I mean whole cities were closed. There were posts online looking for demonstants for money to make the demos against the right look more filled. They also obviously photoshopped pictures of participation. If we would have actual democracy the Left, Greens, CDU / CSU, SPD and FDP would've been banned by now for being enemies of democracy. Also the Ampel should never have became the government because the parties with the highest votes were CDU / CSU and AfD.

You can ban parties if they violate the Basic Law in germany

@KillKenny09

4 ай бұрын

you can ban parties, if you like to be called a fascist.

Sometimes it feels like germany is the only country that is aware of his dark past.

@bofh85

4 ай бұрын

Do I smell patriotism here? 😂 Shame! Don't you know you have to be ashamed of your country as a good leftie? Tz tz 😂😂

@officialnoonon

4 ай бұрын

​@@bofh85 *biep* warning: idiocy detected *biep* You should use more smileys, perhaps around the one hundred mark your comment will gain more relevance. Or maybe you should stay off the internet for a while, to look after your mental health. The third option is deleting this nonsense so I can delete my own, because I'm not comfortable with it. Too much cringe to stomach for me.

@bofh85

4 ай бұрын

@@officialnoonon snowflake alert 🤪

@bofh85

4 ай бұрын

@@officialnoonon Wenn du dich mit mir fetzen willst red erst mal deutsch junge

@bofh85

4 ай бұрын

@@officialnoonon red erst mal deutsch

I was on the streets on Sunday. 25.000 in the former capital city Bonn. It is so important to protect democracy

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

Then why you go demonstrate AGAINST democracy? Fucking stupid or what?

...Civil Society Organizations means NGO Non-Government- Organizations...

We found out about this secret meeting as a group of investigative Journalists reported about it after they had one of them inside this event

Thanks for covering this, I just climbed out off an emotional hole and missed a bunch of stuff so, even as a German, today is actually the first time I heard about it..... It makes me want to go back into my hole to be honest.

@0Amaretto0

4 ай бұрын

Just watch the show. Also in the DDR the governenment was that frightend that they organized such protests against the oppoition. A few months later this government was gone ;-)

@marvinkant5205

4 ай бұрын

​​@@0Amaretto0Imagine being delusional enough to believe that the SPD, Greens and FDP somehow staged this against the poor 'fighters for freedom', who weirdly enough hate most of their own fanbase 😂

@0Amaretto0

4 ай бұрын

@@marvinkant5205 Has nothing to do with believe, just watch who is paying who and who invited the so called "protesters". It IS staged. It is ALWAYS staged when governments invite to protest. Real protest is getting started by citizens, not by governments. Protesting against what, by the way? Against the own opposition? Wow, brilliant! Is that all what they got? Instead of beeing a better government they find it better to concentrate on the opposition that have the order to watch carefully what the government is doing? THIS is poor... The AfD by the way is the only partie right now that wants LESS government, so they are the only partie who NOT hates their fanbase. They want their fanbase to be more free. And thats what the most germans wants either. More than 53% are voting right konservative now.

@0Amaretto0

4 ай бұрын

@@Chris_deLaw83 Right. The eastern citizens regognized it first, because a lot of them have lived under the DDR Regime and they know exactlyhow it feels. In east germany the AfD has up to 37% of the voters behind their back.

@Freiya2011

4 ай бұрын

You won't change ANYTHING in your hole! Get out and start becoming active!

it´s just like " those, who don`t learn from the past, are to repeat it", or somthing like that. there are a lot of people knowing their history in germany....

@dreieinhalbeck

4 ай бұрын

Not really. The masses mindlessly listening to the mainstream media and doing everything to oppress the opposition ist literally how Hitler established his power (before he banned the opposition alltogether).

@user-zo4yi2vc1j

4 ай бұрын

If they knew their history, they'd know that banning of political parties was an efficient strategy used by the NSDAP to get rid of political opponents. They used the exact same reason by claiming those parties were a thread for germany and enemies of the state. But less than a 100 years later we use the same words and follow the same goal. Repeating the cycle over and over again.

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

But the ones not knowing history went to go demonstrate.

@marcrchz

4 ай бұрын

@@raydafuq3570 Exactly. The people endorsing the AfD are aware of the history at a much greater degree, wich is why they're endorsing who they are endorsing.

Good to see that many of us didnt forget our history which seems to be repeating now. Joined the Munich protest. Many friendly and normal people fighting for our democracy

@Enki81

4 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@Lucky-tw5oc

4 ай бұрын

How can you say you are fighting for democracy If you want to forbid a Party that roughly 20 Million voters (¼ of our citizens) vote for?

@christophostrowski3382

4 ай бұрын

@@Enki81 unglaublich wie das weltweit Medial aufgebauscht wird

@robertgross9518

4 ай бұрын

@@Lucky-tw5oc well people are stupid, just look at 1939 ^^

@mstrsmth2301

4 ай бұрын

@@Lucky-tw5oc wrong calculation, 1 / 4th of voters is not 1 / 4th of our Population ( Kids, non voters etc). I dont think that this party could be forbidden now. Unfortunately. Htler was elected, too. Even not by a big majority. We have to fight against this.

It's a pity,but we Americans are raised to be individuals so rarely get enough together to stand up for common decency in such numbers here...hence we hand the megaphone to the MAGA crazies.

@RoeJogan85

4 ай бұрын

what does MAGA mean?

@herrhartmann3036

4 ай бұрын

@@RoeJogan85 "Make America Great Again" the primary slogan of Donald Trump

@mollusckscramp4124

4 ай бұрын

That's the point- we're raised to be individuals. An individualistic society rarely bands together for the good of all, look no further than the mess that was people choosing to disregard health advisements and medical quarantine guidelines during the pandemic. Everyone's primary concern after two weeks was how it was "infringing their personal freedom"...

@arnewengertsmann9111

4 ай бұрын

Even as a German I was kind of amazed by the resonance for those protests. And it is high time for that. We let those crazies, who are kind of our German MAGA crazies, run amok unchecked. So It is high time that we stand up against those guys. I hope it carries over to our state elections these year and we get high participation.

@raviormetal1653

4 ай бұрын

Even I as a german was surprised how much people actually went on that demonstrations. 900.000 people all over the country. Thats 10% of the inhabitants of Germany!

Deportations may not be "the same" as the Holocaust, but deporting the Jews to Madagascar was the idea, the Nazis had before starting the Holocaust. So, alone the idea of deportation could be just a start on the worst way.

@keyboard5494

4 ай бұрын

Yes. And now the right extremists want to deport their "enemies" to North Africa.

@pn490

4 ай бұрын

🤡

@0Amaretto0

4 ай бұрын

Thats bullshit. Deportations are a cimplete normal act that always goes on with illegal immigrants. If this is against any law, why is the government DOING it and why should i t be forbidden to TALK about it? They HAVE to go back home, thats for shure.

@englyn1

4 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure we won't be doing anything against Jews ever again. But then again, we are allowing pro-Palestinian rallies in our cities so maybe we are closer to that than we think. But it's the parties in power that are not putting a stop to these rallies, not the opposition. So who's really guilty of antisemitism here?

4:00 banning a political party (after being officially "convicted" of being unconstitutional) is a thing here yeah (kinda the "last resort" before they could grab power and then article 20 paragraph 4 of the Grundgesetz has to potentially go into effect which would mean a civil war essentially). kinda similar to the US being able to outlaw a party/group/... under the patriot act i guess. you don't usually do that _officially_ but on the other hand iirc your voting districts can also just decide to not put someone on a ballot for various (including court ordered) reasons?

@nik-roshansirak3398

4 ай бұрын

I really admire that one potentially, I think it's very german to actually wright down, that if people vote a dictatorship again, you actually have the lawful RIGHT for civil war.😅 Although it's not actually spelled out, one has the "right to resist", whatever that means...😅Could also mean, that the laws, they pass are actually just not effective, so one does not need to follow them anyway, so just DON'T deport people in your function as a border police officer, or whoever would be in charge of actually physically doing it. I think that would actually be the most pleasant way of dealing with these people. Vote them into power, let them pass their stupid ideas into law, and then simply don't comply with them as a whole society and do not get punished for "unlawful" acts and behaviour because article 20, paragraph 4 MF! 🖕😂 And although they might be part of gouvernment one day, they most certainly won't get a necessary majority of 2/3 to change that article in constitution and even then it would simply not apply due to Article 79, paragraph 3. 🖕🖕🖕😂😂😂

@pallao3500

4 ай бұрын

"you don't usually do that officially but on the other hand iirc your voting districts can also just decide to not put someone on a ballot for various (including court ordered) reasons?" A few states in the USA did exactly this very recently with Donald Trump, based on the constitution stating something along the lines of "Those who support an insurrection while holding an office of the United States are not allowed to be elected again." So those states ruled that since Donald Trump called the Jan 6 insurrectionists "fine people" and stuff like that, and didnt tell them to stop immediately, he showed them his support at a time where he still was President, and thus the constitution bans him from any elections.

It is encouraging to see so many people going out in to the streets after being told for years that I have irrational fears regarding the AfD. I'd be personally at risk to be deported since my father isn't from Germany, even though I was born and raised here and I have a different political view as they'd like to have it. These are scary times for every German with an immigration background.

The growing problem in Germany is, that the people who lived under the Nazi regime in the 1930s and 1940s fade because of their age or are dead yet. That means there is a growing number of people who say, that everything we learn in history lessons is a fairytale and we should be proud of our history and even of Adolf Hitler. I myself listened to my grandparents very carefully. They were born in 1929 and 1930 and were children/teenagers during the Nazi regime. And now the AfD party is aiming to be a kind of NSDAP 2.0. They are not showing their real face yet, but if you read the party programme, you see, that they are anti-social, anti-democratic, anti-musilim and against migration.

So it wasn't a secret meeting, but simply a gathering of people from business and politics. including politicians, the AfD of the CDU and the so-called Union of Values. and the topic discussed that triggered this scandal was apparently discussed by a guest who was also invited, but this position is not shared by the afd

@bofh85

4 ай бұрын

And his position is not even what corrective made from it

@blamasterk

4 ай бұрын

Also the meeting took place back in November, but now suddenly they construct a big medial story of it. Usually the government doesn't call people to go protests against other parties (at least in a real democracy they wouldn't do that). Also media doesn't advertise protests beforehand. All that happened in this case. Meanwhile a member of the governing party Die Grünen bragged about how they put pressure on the biggest german evening news in TV and made them cover less the farmer protests and instead much more these protests against their political opposition. The biggest joke, these protests' slogan is "to protect democracy", while their participants are being instrumentalized without them understanding it.

@user-rv7se3rn5o

4 ай бұрын

You are a liar! The AfD Agenda promotes very openly exactly this position and worse - as Mr Höcke once stated: "We do not want the bread rolls - we want the bakery!" Not this time!!! Never again!!!

Its just that many people are annoyed by eg yhe language change, inclusion etc... some think everything was better before. Or with the war around the corner AfD is just promising them to change it back rsp to have a better connection with Putin... If people would actually read their programm and check how they voted in parliament, they would realise that its only words with actions being totally different.

You got it right though. Taking back a derogatory term for political left + "je suis" from charlie hebdo and others

The question is WHY are so many people supporting right wing or conservative parties like AFD right now. And it's not just a german problem, Italy with ECR, France with RN, Trump, etc.. I guess the people are fed up because everything seems to go down the drain, rent increase, inflation, increase of taxes or new taxes, heating rules, etc and think they support a lesser of two evils by supporting those parties. To me personally it seems like, that in politics it's more important to pass the responsibiliy for the current situation to another party instead of finding a solution, an if they find a solution, you have to pay for it as a citizen. I don't think that AFD is fixing any problem if they ever take over, it would be just the opposite, so I personally won't support or vote for them. I'm glad we are pretty safe here because of NATO, they want to leave NATO, part of my family and many friends are immigrants, I don't want them to get any problems, what many don't know as well is, that AFD wants to rise the retirement age, too. I hope that the current government gets off the high horse and finds a "middle curse" so there's no use for parties like AFD anymore. And sorry for getting political 😅

@swanpride

4 ай бұрын

Personally I think this is related to social media. There are propaganda attacks happening through those channels in order to sway the opinion of the voters in democratic countries in oder to destabilize them.

You can ban parties in Germany if they are deemed through a research and lawfull process to be unconstitutional. And having our german history, it is a good thing the option exists but has strict limitations.

@ 07:20 I appreciate the sentiment and praise but you know... "It can never be repeated" is shortsighted... sadly it could even happen in germany again... you cant kill an idea sadly :( But that is why we have all of these laws and history lessons and memorial monuments and the possibility to ban unconstitutional/undemocratic parties. To be alert at all times, to have a plan in place in case something happenes again and to be aware of the threat. In this case the population was so aware that these protests happened :) and hopefully that had an effect. Oh and "Deportations are not like the holocaust" => yes true but it could be how 1 starts :/ but you guys better watch out as well... if trump does half the things he says he will and becomes president again he will make your country into a dictatorship very fast... I think americans situation is even more problematic then germanys at the moment... I just hope that we will not catch up to you in 10 years time cause that is usually how it goes when it comes to crazy stuff XD

Same thing that’s happening in America. The only difference is the far right in the USA belong to an accepted party.

The Holocaust did not start with Auschwitz. It started smaller….But to understand why people compare it: parts of the AfD are extremely right winged and the leader of that wing, Björn Höcke, had court cases for using forbidden Nazi statements (Statements used by the original Nazis/Nazi Organizations….which is forbidden in Germany). And that’s not a coincidence: He was a history teacher (although a former student claimed that he didn’t teach about the Nazitime…but Höcke claimed that he kept the curriculum….and the Nazi-time is part of it). Höcke even lost a court case and it is officially okay to call him a fascist.

@praefectusvigilum6997

4 ай бұрын

And it's okay to call you idiot!

@klausbeeblebrox64

4 ай бұрын

And I could call you much worse than that but why would I? Seems, that we are winning the battle about the public opinion without insulting anyone...

So that you can classify this: the AfD as a party is predominantly at most as right-wing as Donald Trump and the Republicans. If Germany had a candidate for chancellor with the far-right potential of Donald Trump, people would be protesting against Trump every week. Large parts of Germany (70-80%) are allergic to right-wing statements. The general opinion behind this is: if we do nothing now, we cannot criticize our grandparents for not having done enough against Hitler in 1933.

@greentoby26

4 ай бұрын

I'd say the general opinion is more like "let's not try this shit again". The people who were around in 1933 are either dead or were small kids at the time. Criticizing a (literal) handful of centenarians isn't that important anymore. It's about the future.

@zanderalex2463

4 ай бұрын

@@greentoby26 Yes, that shouldn't dismiss the danger of the AfD. On the contrary. It should underline the dangerousness of Donald Trump and the AfD.

@user-zo4yi2vc1j

4 ай бұрын

@@greentoby26 It was the NSDAP which banned the SPD by claiming they were a thread for germany and an enemy of the state. It was a very efficient way to get rid of opponents. Let's not try this shit again.

@KapitalistRR

4 ай бұрын

yes, unfortunately it really is like that and a lot of work is needed to heal people again and get them on the right path so that they don't immediately react in panic just because someone says something to the right of the center and the center is now so left-wing, that it already hurts

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

@@zanderalex2463 the AfD isn't dangerous at all. The other parties are very dangerous and undemocratic on the other hand but if you're part of the problem you can't see that.

As a German, I cannot tell you how good it feels to have someone foreign to remind us all how absurd the idea of deporting citizens actually is (and yes, some people do want that). The whole situation in my country worries me quite a lot, especially because far right parties are getting more and more votes. So, thank you very much.

@intarsienschrankzwetschgen4224

4 ай бұрын

As a fellow german, former voter of the social democrats, turned conservative during the pandemic, I can only hope that the Alternative für Deutschland gets upvoted into all parliaments as the majority. The green/left are ruining the economy on purpose, rendering many people even homeless in the coming years. They have erected a quasi-totalitarian structure with many NGOs and clubs where the government can oursource "below-the-line-of-decency" tasks like debanking dissidents and so on. They have become the bane of our country. It may already be too late but this sh* has to go.

„It cant be repeated“ … believe me… it can. And it can happen fast if we do nothing against it

I must commend Germany for taking a stand. Typically, when geopolitically issues arises and issues regarding economy ect. far right and 'nationalisme or fascisme' is thriving. Just look at the US right now...... Germany, and much of europe has a history and know what something like "extreme nationalism" can lead to.. Instead of dividing, sticking together nationally and internationally is a better solution, though much harder in times of caos where people typically look for "strong leaders" with a message they want to hear (typically something something "my country/people first"). much respect from Denmark.

@RandomGuy-lu1en

4 ай бұрын

German here. That's the first time I'm protesting. I'm completly sick of this right-wing stuff.

@raydafuq3570

4 ай бұрын

@@RandomGuy-lu1en there is no right wing stuff kid. You should've protested for the Farmers because they produce your food but you probably called them Nazis. Leftist Extremism is the problem in Germany and if you don't see that you're simply too young and naive for it. Or old and fucking stupid.

I love your videos and your channel and with this video you definitely have good traffic and good interactions due to the many comments. 😁

Actually, this meeting wasn't all that secret; the same applies to the AfD's remigration (deportation) plans, which were already very obvious beforehand. The only thing that was new (to me) was that this should also apply to immigrants who are already citizens, i.e. a clear classification based on ethnicity, not based on residence status. Except this, it's actually pretty much the same thing the UK is currently doing: they have a deal to deport refugees to Rwanda. I don't want to say that I think this idea is good at all, but I think the whole situation is being presented a little bit incorrectly here. Im afraid that the attempt to ban the AfD Party may cause only more chaos and will radicalize the far right even more.

@Ilogunde

4 ай бұрын

Please don't call it "remigration". Call it what it is: Deportation!

@cdhagen

4 ай бұрын

@@Ilogunde We have to differentiate here (which unfortunately the AfD doesn't do either and therefore does the debate a disservice): Anyone who has German citizenship or a residence permit can of course stay. However, anyone who is here illegally has to leave the country. This is currently not being enforced consistently enough. This is neither “remigration” nor “deportation” but simply the enforcement of applicable law.

@dieludolfverschwoerung

4 ай бұрын

I think both is correct, but for me deportation sounds like trains and extermination camps, which is not on the hand (the term deportation is also a german word, which is usually used in the historical WW2 context, but translated from english it means "Abschiebung" wich is the common term for "sending migrants back home" - so this is like a translation issue I guess...). Dont get me wrong, Im on your side, I dont like this at all, I think we are better off without the AfD, but I think the attempt to banish them is just the wrong way...@@Ilogunde

@greentoby26

4 ай бұрын

Entirely correct. Even the citizenship thing isn't that new. Right-wingers have been othering "Passdeutsche" for years and years. It's all been there, only nobody wanted to actually listen to it. Instead, AfD politicians were given every platform available so they may 'demystify' and 'unmask' themselves.

@pn490

4 ай бұрын

@@IlogundeSounds even better to me!

You point out that deportations are not as bad as what the NSDAP did but they also started with the mass deportation of polnish Jews (abt. 19000 in 1938) and the actions of the government became more extreme after that. So in reality the deportations were probably only the beginning of what the people at the "secret meeting" had in mind.

Your ,very well, educated guess at 3:27 was pretty spot on. Wow!

To keep it short. There are 300.000 people in the country who must leave the country, because of crimes or expired asylum. The party which is the topic of this demonstrations wants to remigrate them.

@muncangel5993

4 ай бұрын

which is totally legal and overdue!

@mathildewesendonck7225

4 ай бұрын

They also want to remigrate people who haven’t been convicted yet

I was at the demo in Cologne. It was my first one ever and I was afraid that too few people were interested because I had the feeling that public opinion was becoming more and more racist. There were 30,000 of us and only 5 days later there were 70,000. it's great to see so many people standing behind democracy. and yes, it's not exactly like the holocaust, but deporting 12,000,000 people to north africa against their will, regardless of whether they have a german passport and work here or not, comes very close to that. and that's not acceptable.

One thing that cannot be underestimated is the fact that the AFD has mainly been gaining ground in Eastgermany, the former part of the UDSSR. It is a well known fact that to this day, east germany has not gotten as much financial and economic help and developement as west germany, due to historical reasons at first and then due to a lack of care from Politicians. This is not an excuse, but it is an explenation, as to how the AfD could stoke fears so easily, flare up the feeling of "those others" that either take what you have or "those up there" that do not care about you. It is the ame fearmonegring that we have seen from the Republicans in America, the Idea of being left behind or taken advantage of.

Finally smt i can be proud to be german😊

Just for reference, the rwnj tractor protest a couple of days earlier got about 30 000 people to show up, the anti fascists got about 1.4 million.

@zanegravenall9522

4 ай бұрын

@@Chris_deLaw83 AI? Pfft. The tractor magats would have had their blow up dolls with them to double the numbers

The bad politics of the current government as well as the high immigration rates are the reason why many germans are fed up and want a change. This can lead people to vote for a party that is too far on the right side because of their anger (see what happened in the past).

@josefineseyfarth6236

4 ай бұрын

I'm one of those people who are fed up and want to see this government fall. But still I wouldn't vote for the AfD because in the end, they're still part of the same messed up political system and I don't want to legitimate that system by voting. We don't have a choice anyway, because even if the AfD got the most votes amongst all German political parties, unless they reached over 50%, there won't be any other parties accepting a coalition with them, so they'd still be in the opposition and we'd have another government which we the people never really voted for. Just like we have now. Doesn't make sense, right? WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE!!!

@juilescieg

4 ай бұрын

government isn´t so bad though. FDP and Media are disturbing to much. Besides that, many people seem to forget, that corona, war hence inflation happened. Despite this circumstances, the government is dealing with this quite ok.

@marvinkant5205

4 ай бұрын

I am pretty sure you actually know that's a lie, the current government has the least relevance for the rebirth of the right wing extremists.

@Meetmountain

4 ай бұрын

@@juilescieg You are either living under a rock or are a beneficiary of this government which is accelerating the concurrent downfall of german economy and society.

@Blondielovesotters

4 ай бұрын

@@josefineseyfarth6236 You always have a choice, but If you don’t go vote party’s like the AfD get stronger. Plus our government is trying is best, I mean what do you expect from centuries of black/ red leadership. All our bridges are old and we payed money for a car toll that no one ever wanted and never came to be.

The Poster "Je suis links-grün-versifft" is build from two messeges. For us in Germany this poster is easy to understand. After the terrorist attack on the editorial office of the magazine "Charlie Hebdo" in Paris, many Germans expressed their solidarity with the slogan "Je suis Charlie". The writer of the poster expresses his solidarity. The phrase “links-grün versifft” is a political fighting term of the political right especially towards the media, but also towards normal people. The term expresses the complete rejection of political left-wing demands such as climate protection policies, gender-appropriate language or humanitarian migration. A symbol of this form of politics in Germany is the party “Die Grünen” and in particular its “left wing”. The phrase “links-grün versifft” is intended to denigrate people who at least partially identify with this polical Ideas.

Unfortunately there are many political parties like the AFD in different european countries that are gaining more and more power. As a queer woman I am actually very scared right now, because hatred, racism and homophobia are rising constantly and the sad thing about it is that many people are fed up with the current government so they are willing to vote for a racist Neo-Nazi party just to end the current government. But what they don't really see is that the political topic of the AFD is not the justice for the middle class, but cutting certain social benefits and creating another ,,Drittes Reich"....

2:31 Using "Je suis" on banners has become quite common since the Charlie Hebdo shooting in 2015 where it started with "Je suis Charlie Hebdo" all across Europe to show solidarity. 3:01 Totally like that. It's basically what exteme rightists like to call anyone who's aligned with the Social Democrats or anything further left, typically the Green party and the actual Linke. 3:31 Nailed it. 3:55 It's actually possible here to do that if it's considered to be anti democratic enough and if they clearly want to dismantle the constitution. The Defence of Constitution already declared the AfD to be clearly extremist right in 3 out of 16 federal states and the same goes for the Junge Alternative (Young Alternative) which is the youth organization of that party. Since that one isn't actually a political party by law, but just a registered association, it can actually get banned a lot easier and there currently are debated to do so. 5:57 ROFL! :D 6:21 It's been around -5 to -15 °C in most areas on the weekend BTW. That's between 5 and 23 °F. Berlin wasn't as bad though, just around 0 °C / 32 °F. So people really left their comfort zone for this. 6:29 Basically "lying prohpets" 6:41 "EkelhAfD" is a nice one. Great pun on "ekelhaft" which means disgusting. 10:12 All that thanks to Putin who's working hard on destabilizing Europe for decades by now. Rightist and Anti-Euro/EU parties like the AfD are present in almost all European countries and they've all been gaining popularity, similar to how Trump got popular with his MAGA politics in the US. Most notable examples probably are the Fratelli d'Italia, Lega and the 5 Star Movement in Italy with Giorgia Meloni, current prime minister of Italy, the PiS (Law and Justice) in Poland who just recently lost against pro-EU Donald Tusk's anti right Civiv Coalition consisting of the Civic Platform, Modern, Polish Initiative, The Greens, AGROunia and "Yes! For Poland". But also the Rassemblement National in France, the UKIP in the UK (I mean, Brexit happened already even without them having been in power), Danish People's Party, Swiss People's Party, Freedom Party of Austria, Party for Freedom in the Netherlands and probably many more. Crazy times indeed. Look for "putin funding rightist parties in europe" and read a few articles if you wanna know more about this. We really need to get rid of that dude and his henchmen as well as their ideology, but first he needs to be drawn to The Hague.

@pn490

4 ай бұрын

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In my opinion, a shift to the right or a shift to the left is unavoidable. Due to the influences of mass migration, deindustrialization and loss of prosperity, more and more people will vote for extreme parties. This is a phenomenon that has been observed time and again historically.

Well, compared to modern GOP the AfD is kind of childs play.. America seems to be always 10 year ahead of Germany.

Here are a few estimated numbers for the demo numbers: Berlin 350,000, Munich 250,000, Hamburg 160,000, Frankfurt 60,000, Stuttgart 50,0000, Bremen 45,000, Leipzig 40,000, Dresden 30,000, Münster 20,000, Nuremberg 15,000 and many many more. I advise you to look at the beautiful pictures of the huge crowds ❤ Many demonstrations had to be canceled because too many people came. Thank you Germany, we‘re staying colorful ❤️❤️✊🏼

@FrogeniusW.G.

4 ай бұрын

🏳️‍🌈🌻❤

@RichelieuUnlimited

4 ай бұрын

If the one in Munich hadn’t been prematurely cancelled and if there had been room for more protesters, which there wasn’t, I wonder what the turnout would have been. Public transport in the area was totally overwhelmed. Thus a lot of people weren‘t able to get there in the first place. The total area densely packed with protesters was insane.

@superbioshock1994

4 ай бұрын

Liar show from where u have this information show the police statistics or something not out of medias something what are facts and stop ur shit propaganda.

@mandibiedermann2246

4 ай бұрын

The most stupid comment i ever read

@muncangel5993

4 ай бұрын

wrong numbers. Police office told totaly differnt numbers. mainstream media is lying...just like the pics of trumps inaugiration pics...LOL

I have been on a demonstration in my 50000 peoples city. App 10000 were there. Few signs of against AfD, one small group chanting "we hate AfD" but did not find resonance. The demonstration was all about the love for Democracy, the rule of law and keep the multi-colored city we are with people from 119 countries. It was the center of society, no extremists.

@Nutzer11

4 ай бұрын

I really dunno where u we’re, but in Stuttgart, it was basically a demonstration against AfD. There were around 30.000 on the Demonstration

@TheCyberCore

4 ай бұрын

At least one protest brought up a "AfDler töten" banner - seems pretty extreme to me? I am very sad that the center of society is still not flexible enough to leave the Tagesschau and look for better information sources... Even international outlets have better quality info about german reality than our far-left ÖRR.

@pallao3500

4 ай бұрын

Didnt know its time to tell fairy tales in youtube sections, thanks for letting me know.

@mweskamppp

4 ай бұрын

@@Nutzer11 I have been in Lingen, Emsland and signs "Against AfD" were few. AfD is not in the city council - not enough percent in the last election.

@pertoor

4 ай бұрын

@@mweskamppp In my city of 60000 there was a protest of right-wing, esoterics, farmers, AfD, nationalists, anti-vaccers, waving Germany flags with old German lettering and playing heavy metal, plus appearing very aggressive while parading through town. The organisers even had to calm them down, saying "don't let them provoke you!". While at the same time there was the protest for democracy, anti-racism, and anti-fascism on the other side of town. So don't go telling me that AfD has nothing to do with anti-democratic behaviour. Go vote for Nazis if you feel like that's your only option for better politics. Idiot.

Some members of Afd, a far right party, (interestingly with sympathy for Putin - and supposedly invaded by Russian propagandists (hence wanting to stop support for Ukraine)) - met and discussed how to make people leave Germany who are "not in line with afd party policy" or not of German origin ("deportation"). Afd calls this "patriotism" - completely forgetting the outcome of such an action for any society - economically as well as culturally. This opened some eyes in German population - finally - and people began to protest publicly to show afd that they do NOT represent the majority of German citizens. afd tend to ignite mistrust into government, into democracy, try to split and destabilize society, and like to let itself appear more important than they are. They use demagogics, disqualify their opponents and use democratic rights to try to abolish democratic values - and democracy itself. But - as you see - German citizens apply some self defence. Sadly fascist tendencies spark up everywhere globally, not only in Germany! Hungaria, Italy, Spain, India, the US with certain tendencies of the Reps (remember the caged children at the Mexican border?) serve that political direction. Obviously peoples' minds can't cope with the many changes these times brought and are still bringing: womens equality and the need to redefine masculinity "me too", gender questions, social and cultural inequalities, financial problems, digitalization, AI, .... the call for a "leader" gets the louder the more complicated the times are and the more overwhelmed people feel - also due to a lack of education.

What you say at the end is exactly what fuels populists like the AfD: people having a hard time, populists show up with made up "answers" to made up or blown up problems and then feast from the emotional reaction they achieved. It's so easy to see through, so I'm not even taking *anyone* seriously, who votes them out of "protest". We have so many parties in Germany, vote for content and don't fall for populists fascists...we had that here a hundred years ago. Thank you for your reaction

@realdomdom

4 ай бұрын

Your IQ is probably around 105.

@Deus_Ubique

3 ай бұрын

just, in germany people don't have a hard time. people in myanmar have a hard time. people in burundi or somalia have a hard time. people in germany THINK they have a hard time, while living the life of the top few percent on this planet.

This take "Secret Meeting" comes from the Media group "Korrektiv". What I took from this was, that not many people knew about this meeting (btw, the entrance fee was 5000€ ... weird) and they got a tip from some "insider" where and when such a meeting will take place. Korrektiv placed cameras on the outside and had someone with one inside. There is a very good rendition of this as some kind of theatre play on YT (Geheimplan gegen Deutschlad by VolkstheaterWien), where the actors quote the meeting. As a German myself I am deeply disturbed by that an I hope the protests help to show the people that the far rights are not an "Alternative" !!!

@mandibiedermann2246

4 ай бұрын

And what is the alternative?! Making Arabic language official in Germany? Paying taxes to keep criminals in Germany as asylum? Teaching our children they should not get married and not give birth to children? To teach our children to become homosexuals? Those are the values of life?!

@sellout2583

4 ай бұрын

Why you forget to write that the theatre play also comes from corrective, which are known as far left. I know democracy is only : the left has right. So let us forbid all other party’s. I‘m just wondering about, that there are no protest are against CDU. But you for your own just know why…

@arctile8041

4 ай бұрын

there are many things everyone should protest against but that has nothing to do with this situation. I hate WhatAboutIsm ... Btw, i didn't know that I had to specify where the theatre quotes came from when there is only one source of this. And why do you try to downplay this with the argument "they are from the far left" is beyond me. It dowsn't matter at all where the evidence of this conspiracy against humanity and democracy comes from because every sane human should find this horrific. @@sellout2583

@Kompijuta

4 ай бұрын

@@sellout2583because u dont understand that this is not a question of political party and investigative journalism is not political… its a important part of the separation/independency of executive, legislative and judicial powers. Only AfD voters dont accepted tor understand that.

@sellout2583

4 ай бұрын

@@Kompijuta oh, this whole protests are initiated by the government, also some protesters will be paid from tax money. This in combination with this politic goes not only against a party. You are right. It is against all people who lives here. Remigration is just without alternative. Do you know how remigration works and which migrants are mean with this. It’s not what corrective wants to tell you. I give you an example: Immigrants without a right to stay can be cut off social money. Do they would go from alone. Also can we give benefits in kind instead of money. This is not against the constitution. Alone this comparison of a private meeting and the Wannsee conference is a big joke. If I speak with a friend about my opinions and this is a member of a party, what do you will call this? This meeting was in september of 2023. Why did they take so long to publish this. Believe me they didn’t. This publish comes at the right moment for our government. Nobody speaks again about the farmer protests which are going on and the fatale politic.

4:10 it is possible when the party is unconstitutional