American Perspective on 'First Contact' With Japan (1853) // Perry's Expedition // Primary Source

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This is the American perspective as it was partially related by Commodore Perry of the initial days of his 'opening' of Japan in 1853.
Extract taken from Robert Tomes, The Americans in Japan: An Abridgement of the Government Narrative of the U.S. Expedition (New York: D. Appleton & Co, 1857)
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  • @RhodieZimbo
    @RhodieZimbo3 жыл бұрын

    "Open the country, stop having it be closed."

  • @tenko5541

    @tenko5541

    3 жыл бұрын

    You beat me too it

  • @johnraina4828

    @johnraina4828

    3 жыл бұрын

    The quarantine is over

  • @aurex8937

    @aurex8937

    3 жыл бұрын

    Speech: 100

  • @AlexBiohazardous

    @AlexBiohazardous

    3 жыл бұрын

    I came for this comment. Was not dissappointed.

  • @dumbledont247

    @dumbledont247

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah cause I'm totally going to take medical advice from a man in the 1800's

  • @QuantumRedux
    @QuantumRedux3 жыл бұрын

    "You may not see it now but this is the start of a beautiful friendship" - Commodore Perry

  • @nowhereman6019

    @nowhereman6019

    3 жыл бұрын

    *one world war, two nukings, and one occupation later* "Yup, beautiful friendship."

  • @Finneagan

    @Finneagan

    3 жыл бұрын

    Like Goku and Vegeta

  • @jesseberg3271

    @jesseberg3271

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@nowhereman6019 I'm not going to argue about whether or not it was worth it or "a good thing", but few countries have ever benifited so much from losing a war as the Japanese did in WWII. The US was determined not to have a repeat of the treaty of Versailles, and gave remarkably generous rebuilding aid to both West Germany and Japan.

  • @mrbrainbob5320

    @mrbrainbob5320

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@jesseberg3271 yea same with Germany Britain and France just wanted Germany to not exist anymore.

  • @speedy01247

    @speedy01247

    3 жыл бұрын

    Let's not forget Japan started that war, they were very much the agreessors, invading China and attacking basically all the nearby nations. (For years prior to ww2, they started the war first)

  • @T33K3SS3LCH3N
    @T33K3SS3LCH3N3 жыл бұрын

    It's insane how quickly Japan developed after this. They beat Russia in the 1904 war a mere 51 years later, and the attack on Pearl Harbour was still within a century. Their naval technology caught up with the superpowers of the world in just a few decades.

  • @Mirokuofnite

    @Mirokuofnite

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, from being a backwards medieval country to being a world power. All the while maintaining control of their country. The exception to what typically played out in Colonialism.

  • @user-fl8yv7rz6f

    @user-fl8yv7rz6f

    3 жыл бұрын

    Had no idea about honour until they met the Dutch!

  • @cv4809

    @cv4809

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Mirokuofnite but Japan was never subjected to colonialism

  • @tomvolz3760

    @tomvolz3760

    3 жыл бұрын

    @B Whit The Japanese still beat the Russian fleet at Tsushima, which would have been unthinkable a half a century earlier.

  • @Crimson-kt7fd

    @Crimson-kt7fd

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah and after getting the masculinity bombed from them they're now the center of robotics and the Mecca of cartoons for anti-social shut-ins everywhere

  • @frankleepower2333
    @frankleepower23333 жыл бұрын

    "So he boldly steamed where steamer had never ventured before". Sounds like Star Trek took this line.

  • @douglasdaniel4504

    @douglasdaniel4504

    3 жыл бұрын

    The aliens showed up in advanced vessels, and they were...American. Yes, weird does not begin to cover it.

  • @thegreatestpepe

    @thegreatestpepe

    3 жыл бұрын

    I always find it funny and flattering when Brits put on American accents. I'm so used to Americans acting fake British that it's a welcome and entertaining change of pace.

  • @spinakker14

    @spinakker14

    3 жыл бұрын

    That line in Star Trek was inspired by something Captain Cook said: "I had ambition not only to go farther than any one had been before, but as far as it was possible for man to go" But yeah, the Commodore's line is more similar to the Star Trek line, and funnier too

  • @garrysekelli6776

    @garrysekelli6776

    3 жыл бұрын

    And the Commodore is also the name of an ancient Computer.

  • @TheCaptainSplatter

    @TheCaptainSplatter

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@thegreatestpepe Brits do a good job with American accents but doesn't work vice versa.

  • @MARfilms
    @MARfilms3 жыл бұрын

    I got an ominous feeling when he said "Nagasaki is the only place a message can be received."

  • @MrRinoHunter

    @MrRinoHunter

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Timothy Dexter you missed the point.

  • @sfdfd2

    @sfdfd2

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MrRinoHunter I dont think he did, he understood the point and added more facts to it

  • @gamesmithy

    @gamesmithy

    3 жыл бұрын

    We sent the message properly the second time.

  • @lancelotkillz

    @lancelotkillz

    3 жыл бұрын

    1945 copy that

  • @malahamavet

    @malahamavet

    3 жыл бұрын

    hi, since you may not be aware of it, we're happy to announce you that WW2 is over. with love, the USA

  • @537monster
    @537monster3 жыл бұрын

    American negotiations to Japan in 1853: “It opens up the country or else it gets the steamboat again!”

  • @andreweden9405

    @andreweden9405

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hahahahahaha! YES!!!🤣 "It does as it is told!"😂

  • @tomvolz3760

    @tomvolz3760

    3 жыл бұрын

    “It puts the treaty in the basket.”

  • @henriklehn4281

    @henriklehn4281

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@tomvolz3760 holy shit you made me spit out my drink

  • @geoffreyherrick298

    @geoffreyherrick298

    2 жыл бұрын

    Underrated comment.

  • @iamsonedisoncahaya4845

    @iamsonedisoncahaya4845

    2 жыл бұрын

    Japanese in 1853 is like North Korean.

  • @dobypilgrim6160
    @dobypilgrim61603 жыл бұрын

    One of my ancestors was Ship's Surgeon on Commodore Perry's expedition. He was also the personal doctor of President James K. Polk. Thank you for this.

  • @coastsouljah

    @coastsouljah

    3 жыл бұрын

    Cool family history !

  • @trueblueclue

    @trueblueclue

    3 жыл бұрын

    Nice.

  • @mockcosine4479

    @mockcosine4479

    3 жыл бұрын

    How ironic I'm related to James K Polk.

  • @wildearth3992

    @wildearth3992

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mockcosine4479 You have no right to be in American lands

  • @mockcosine4479

    @mockcosine4479

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@wildearth3992 ?

  • @gbeepee9995
    @gbeepee99953 жыл бұрын

    I remember learning in a history class I took in Japan that american ships on their way to china needed to stop for supplies and repairs on their way, so they tried to stop at Japan. The Japanese just fired upon them at a couple of points along their coastline and damaged the ships further. Japan was very into isolationism and its people were ordered to fire on foreign ships i think. This was considered incredibly rude and aggressive since when international trade ships needed assistance it was customary for them to stop at civilized countries ports and resupply. This led to Perry's expedition and forcing Japan to allow ships in the pacific to stop at their ports. Its why Perry acted like such a dick and wouldnt take no for an answer. The guy who was teaching it had studied this stuff for decades and had info not found in conventional history books. That being said, its been years since I took his class so correct me if I'm wrong.

  • @elcidgaming

    @elcidgaming

    3 жыл бұрын

    That is indeed very plausible

  • @mrfunnyperson100

    @mrfunnyperson100

    3 жыл бұрын

    El Cid Gaming its confirmed fact. Japan even refused to take back shipwrecked Japanese sailors that had been rescued by foreign ships. Even after meeting with the captain and knowing why he was there. Perry interviewed several people who had failed to open negotaitions with Japan before and concluded that being as blunt as possible and refusing to take no for an answer where the only way to cut through the bullshit. Whether he was right or not we don’t know.

  • @gbeepee9995

    @gbeepee9995

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@mrfunnyperson100 All true! I didnt know perry had interviewed those people, very interesting. Thank you for the info. I think he made the right call personally.

  • @mrfunnyperson100

    @mrfunnyperson100

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@gbeepee9995 We don't really know. The Japanese government realized since the Opium Wars a few years ago that the Sankoku policy as-it-is wasn't long for the world, which is part of the reason they caved to Perry so easily. A large part of the Japanese governments reaction was more like "Finally. Now maybe the Conservatives will get a clue..." Many of said conservatives, of course, had a very different idea.

  • @manfriede3511

    @manfriede3511

    3 жыл бұрын

    Your comment helped me a lot . Thanks, and greetings from Germany.

  • @hilotakenaka
    @hilotakenaka3 жыл бұрын

    I love how this mainly boiled down to "Perry! We'd love you to have your request, but you need to do x" "...But I came here so x didn't need to happen." "I'm sorry bu-" "shhhh.... or I will send in the steamboat"

  • @coastsouljah

    @coastsouljah

    3 жыл бұрын

    Man this is so funny put like this!

  • @Welshman2008
    @Welshman20083 жыл бұрын

    Fun fact . When the Japanese surrendered aboard the USS Missouri at the end of WW2. On a bulkhead they displayed the same Flag which was flown on Commodore Perry’s Flagship when he steamed in to Tokyo Bay.

  • @StrickerRei-Chn

    @StrickerRei-Chn

    3 жыл бұрын

    That is correct.

  • @melelconquistador

    @melelconquistador

    2 жыл бұрын

    The lucky flag. Supposedly my middle school has a flag flow on one of the ships from pearl harbor. Big ol thing displayed in the gym. Looks really dusty, dark and yellow.

  • @CrossOfBayonne

    @CrossOfBayonne

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@StrickerRei-ChnYes and Gen. MacArthur and Jonathan Wainwright were on board for the ceremony, Wainwright was the commander of the Philippines garrison and was the commander at Bataan when the surrender of US forces took place April 1942

  • @DragonballBlack
    @DragonballBlack3 жыл бұрын

    This channel is a must watch for History Lovers

  • @TheSaul70

    @TheSaul70

    3 жыл бұрын

    I did not think to find you here

  • @culturalliberator9425

    @culturalliberator9425

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yes, Go-Ku man. Shaggy man also said this.

  • @comradedog4075

    @comradedog4075

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@TheSaul70 the absolute last place I thought I would find him wtf

  • @sebastianguerrero6617

    @sebastianguerrero6617

    2 жыл бұрын

    black scape? why are you here

  • @anypercentdeathless

    @anypercentdeathless

    Жыл бұрын

    Except he can't bother to pronounce "bow" correctly? Lazy. Or is it stupidity?

  • @thorpeaaron1110
    @thorpeaaron11103 жыл бұрын

    Can you do a video on the British reaction to the American Civil War

  • @mrshmrsh5073

    @mrshmrsh5073

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ideally by another highly patronising Scotsman

  • @kirbysauce

    @kirbysauce

    3 жыл бұрын

    didn't many europeans support the Confederacy because they depended on them (and their use of slave labor) for cotton? should be interesting

  • @Jupiter__001_

    @Jupiter__001_

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@kirbysauce Yes, Britain leaned in favour of the Confederacy, but the ship carrying the Confederate envoy to the UK was sunk, if I recall. One thing I do remember reading of was that British attachés noted that Americans did not do bayonet charges, as their leaders believed that their men would be too fearful. This lead to higher casualties, as both sides just stood and blasted each other instead of just charging in, and either getting destroyed before reaching the opponent, or breaking the opponent's morale.

  • @darryljones3009

    @darryljones3009

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Jupiter__001_ It was kind of mixed - generally speaking, the wealthy supported the Confederacy because they didn't wan't to lose their supply of cotton. The poor on the other hand supported the Union because they didn't want to lose their supply of food.

  • @CareerKnight

    @CareerKnight

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@Jupiter__001_ They weren't that big on bayonet charges because the rifles they used had about triple the effective range of those used in the Napoleonic era (which is how many in Europe still assumed wars were fought).

  • @bluejaggy
    @bluejaggy3 жыл бұрын

    “上喜撰(蒸気船) たつた四はいて 夜るもねられす” “Only four cups of Jokisen brought sleepless nights.” A famous satirical poem was made at that time. Jokisen is a name of expensive tea but same pronunciation as steam boat.

  • @leviticuscornwall9631
    @leviticuscornwall96313 жыл бұрын

    “Jeez, I’m seriously tired of waiting. Are you going to open up the country or what?” “You Americans are so pushy. We have our reasons you know.” “Yeah, like, whatever.”

  • @goognamgoognw6637

    @goognamgoognw6637

    3 жыл бұрын

    your language is hegemonic. The japanese had every right to tell the american merchands to fuck off. Opening the country ?! A SOVEREIGN NATION can live in isolation if they choose to. This was violation of a nation. You are misdirecting the issue to be about "being pushy" that's a huge euphemism, violating a country's sovereignity is FAR more than being pushy, it's an act of war. This was not as easy as sending maranos christos conquistadors to slay all the native form of government and hope not to be caught by the inquisition.

  • @coleslaw34234

    @coleslaw34234

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@goognamgoognw6637 and what effective war could they fight at that time

  • @noahsrebels

    @noahsrebels

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@goognamgoognw6637 I believe he was just joking around...

  • @alfreddupont1214

    @alfreddupont1214

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@goognamgoognw6637 He was sarcastic...

  • @cv4809

    @cv4809

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@goognamgoognw6637 when you say "Japanese" do you mean the Japanese feudal elites? Because Americans had every right to trade with Japanese people despite what their feudal lords wanted. Are you against free trade?

  • @Welshman2008
    @Welshman20083 жыл бұрын

    “Free trade or we shoot” Sounds about right.

  • @thuranz2773

    @thuranz2773

    3 жыл бұрын

    Recently they got very pissy when Mexico imposed a tax on sugar too since it affected US high-fructose corn syrup.

  • @cwg9238

    @cwg9238

    3 жыл бұрын

    merica - our way or the highway

  • @seand.g423

    @seand.g423

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@cwg9238 and all three are only getting higher...

  • @spfconcept324

    @spfconcept324

    3 жыл бұрын

    You mean Freemason trade

  • @sgt.f.t.o.4967

    @sgt.f.t.o.4967

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@cwg9238 What does that mean?

  • @TaranAlvein
    @TaranAlvein3 жыл бұрын

    10:24 - The governor looks like one of those guys who, if he were an anime character, would either be a veteran warrior who gets cut down when the bad guy finally enacts his plan, or who would himself be a major villain character.

  • @coll912
    @coll9123 жыл бұрын

    There’s a serious toned 1976 musical called “Pacific Overtures,” that revolves around Perry’s expedition to Japan if anyone is interested. It’s told from the hypothetical perspective of the Japanese and in the Kabuki style of theatre. The music and lyrics were composed from Broadway’s most legendary figure, *Stephen Sondheim* , and directed by equally as esteemed *Hal Prince*

  • @coastsouljah

    @coastsouljah

    3 жыл бұрын

    Cool

  • @jic1

    @jic1

    3 жыл бұрын

    The original Broadway production featured pretty much every well-known Asian-American actor of the time except George Takei (seriously, you name them, they were probably in it). Interestingly, the cast also featured legendary Marvel Comics writer and editor Larry Hama.

  • @Blaqjaqshellaq

    @Blaqjaqshellaq

    3 жыл бұрын

    You can find it on KZread!

  • @ryankassulke
    @ryankassulke3 жыл бұрын

    How the hell do you do such a good yankee accent?

  • @VoicesofthePast

    @VoicesofthePast

    3 жыл бұрын

    This is my favorite comment and I'm not going to read any of the other ones that are inevitably going to come 😅

  • @redornament3248

    @redornament3248

    3 жыл бұрын

    As a yank, you did a good impression

  • @bobcharlie2337

    @bobcharlie2337

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yeah it's good , similar to a New Hampshire accent.

  • @sadvenom7826

    @sadvenom7826

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good new England accent

  • @jic1

    @jic1

    3 жыл бұрын

    It was what I call 'BBC American'. I don't mean that as an insult because I think he did a good job, but it didn't sound particularly natural.

  • @joshboustead2702
    @joshboustead27023 жыл бұрын

    Commodore Perry then later went on to discover Anime

  • @brendaneichler5244

    @brendaneichler5244

    3 жыл бұрын

    Naw, Scrooge McDuck is who we can thank for anime.

  • @CKyIe
    @CKyIe3 жыл бұрын

    The commander, Matthew Perry is the guy who said the famous words "open up your country, stop having it be closed!"

  • @fallbranch
    @fallbranch3 жыл бұрын

    You can never have too much Japan.

  • @svtirefire

    @svtirefire

    3 жыл бұрын

    You might want to ask the Chinese about that.

  • @coreytaylor447

    @coreytaylor447

    3 жыл бұрын

    *china and korea sweats nervously*

  • @patrickmcglonejr8163

    @patrickmcglonejr8163

    3 жыл бұрын

    Tell that to the Koreans, Phillipeans, and Manchurians lol

  • @tlam3028

    @tlam3028

    3 жыл бұрын

    Tell that to most of east asia

  • @user-kq8ok4qy6t

    @user-kq8ok4qy6t

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@patrickmcglonejr8163 Yeah Manchurians were exterminated by CCP.

  • @andreweden9405
    @andreweden94053 жыл бұрын

    One of my first semester history books in college had the Japanese woodblock rendering of the arrival of Commador Perry and the Americans in Tokyo Bay as its front cover. It is one the few college books that I kept instead of selling, and I still have it to this day.

  • @ChibiButo
    @ChibiButo3 жыл бұрын

    To think if Perry wasn't so based Anime wouldn't exist.

  • @theEtch

    @theEtch

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Wyatt Earp lol

  • @rudiruttger

    @rudiruttger

    3 жыл бұрын

    I thank Perry for DBZ every day.

  • @inisipisTV

    @inisipisTV

    3 жыл бұрын

    Perry indirectly brought about the creation of the soda Ramune when he brought bottles of bottled Lemonade to Japan. Ramune is a Japanese bastardization of the English word Lemonade.

  • @AkiNoTsuki

    @AkiNoTsuki

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@inisipisTV Shidare Hotaru, is that you?

  • @Delgen1951

    @Delgen1951

    3 жыл бұрын

    it is based or supremely confentent in his men and ships, there is a difference you know.

  • @jesseberg3271
    @jesseberg32713 жыл бұрын

    "You must deliver all messeges to the Japanese Government through the city of Nagasaki. I mean, you could try dropping it off in Hiroshima, but they'll probably make you continue on to Nagasaki, anyway." -some Japanese official

  • @scotttaylor7146

    @scotttaylor7146

    3 жыл бұрын

    I see what you did there

  • @revan0890

    @revan0890

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ooh, that is dark.

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment3 жыл бұрын

    *[Insert History of Japan by Bill Wurtz comment here]*

  • @VoicesofthePast

    @VoicesofthePast

    3 жыл бұрын

    We've got another channel called 'The Entire History of The Earth'. I've heard 'em all!

  • @cheegum6296

    @cheegum6296

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@VoicesofthePast what a coincidence Bill Wurtz has that too lol

  • @dominikdurkovsky8318

    @dominikdurkovsky8318

    2 ай бұрын

    OPEN THE COUNTRY STOP HAVING IT BE CLOSED

  • @glaxmattbas
    @glaxmattbas3 жыл бұрын

    "boldly steamed where steamer had never ventured before" star trek reference over 100 years before star trek was a thing... time travel confirmed

  • @MysteryD

    @MysteryD

    3 жыл бұрын

    You think "boldy go" is a modern term? lol

  • @Air-Striegler

    @Air-Striegler

    3 жыл бұрын

    To live in a world where the repertoir of aphorisms and poetic expressions goes as far as.... "star trek"...... a world of wonders and miracles.....

  • @Jupiter__001_

    @Jupiter__001_

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MysteryD It is not good literary form.

  • @whocares9906

    @whocares9906

    3 жыл бұрын

    It wasn’t said 100 years ago, it’s just in the narrators script

  • @glaxmattbas

    @glaxmattbas

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@whocares9906 I checked the source this video is based on and the line is there

  • @TheHybridGamerHQ
    @TheHybridGamerHQ3 жыл бұрын

    Man, I really appreciate that for every story of the past you read, you try to put a little bit of an accent, depending on where the writer is from. It really raises the quality of the stories you read. Keep it up!

  • @InternetHydra
    @InternetHydra3 жыл бұрын

    But when did the game of baseball happen?

  • @juanzulu1318
    @juanzulu13183 жыл бұрын

    This channel is like a time machine. Wonderful.

  • @MarcRitzMD
    @MarcRitzMD3 жыл бұрын

    If you are reading off a script, you can just upload that text-file to youtube in the subtitles & CC section, and youtube will automatically process the text-file to figure out the timings.

  • @PersonManManManMan

    @PersonManManManMan

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yed

  • @ofthecaribbean
    @ofthecaribbean3 жыл бұрын

    Good fake accent. Better than most, better than mine!

  • @glegos2281

    @glegos2281

    3 жыл бұрын

    Its actually a voice actor

  • @justicevanpool9025

    @justicevanpool9025

    3 жыл бұрын

    His Yankee accent is probably a good deal better than my British accent

  • @somethingelse4878

    @somethingelse4878

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@justicevanpool9025 I'm British, I can help... 1) Drink Tea 2) look down your nose at the working class 3) Drink more Tea

  • @RandomDudeOne

    @RandomDudeOne

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wrong American accent. In 1853, an American would have sounded more like Billy Bob Thorton.

  • @peterturner2339

    @peterturner2339

    3 жыл бұрын

    Really, when you are used to received pronunciation and you're trying to do a passable American accent, the secret is to just remember that "r" exists.

  • @biglenin7306
    @biglenin73063 жыл бұрын

    Ive seen your vids recommended s few times, but they never seemed interesting to me despite history being a passion and fascination of mine. Who knows why, because I was so so so wrong. This is amazing! Genuinely the delivery, content, and real 1st hand accounts blow my mind. Theres just something so special I feel. Thank you! :)

  • @TheBooban
    @TheBooban3 жыл бұрын

    Amazingly good narration bringing history to life.

  • @josephnarvaez9507
    @josephnarvaez95073 жыл бұрын

    I love the character you put in each of your videos. Good job!

  • @Shadowofromefanatic
    @Shadowofromefanatic3 жыл бұрын

    Admiral Karen Perry wants to speak to your manager.

  • @spk1121

    @spk1121

    3 жыл бұрын

    *Commodore

  • @michaelstout7955
    @michaelstout79553 жыл бұрын

    Dude literally just squatted in the bay like President Fillmore was going to kick his ass if he didn't make 100% sure that document wound up in the hands of the emperor.

  • @pll3827
    @pll38273 жыл бұрын

    1853 - U.S.: "Open up!" *88 years later* 1941 - U.S.: "This was a mistake."

  • @vuducanh2k5

    @vuducanh2k5

    3 жыл бұрын

    1945 - 🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🗾🗾🗾🗾🗾🗾🗾☢️☢️ ( freedom intensified )

  • @rsuriyop

    @rsuriyop

    3 жыл бұрын

    If only Com. Perry had tried to open up the country through a much more peaceful and diplomatic manner Japan would likely not have seen the west as such a big threat to the point where they felt the immediate need to become a highly militant and aggressive country. And to that effect, it's quite possible that Japan's role during WWII (several decades later) could've been completely reversed; they could've been allies instead enemies. And "WWII" itself likely would've been referred to as just "The European War" as there would've been no fighting in East Asia during this time (besides the Chinese fighting their own civil war), just fighting in Europe only. And last but not least, we might not have even needed to build the A-bomb out of desperation. Could you even imagine the world today without weapons of mass destruction? Seeing it through this lens, Com. Perry messed up *BIG TIME.*

  • @soraotter1253

    @soraotter1253

    3 жыл бұрын

    1945 - Japan: "This was a mistake."

  • @LanMandragon1720

    @LanMandragon1720

    2 жыл бұрын

    More like 1941: America HULK SMASH but you know.

  • @AuthenticDarren
    @AuthenticDarren3 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting. Voices of the past is a great channel.

  • @brokeneyes6615
    @brokeneyes66153 жыл бұрын

    Really enjoying these, love the choice of artwork in every one too, keep up the good work!

  • @deinonychus6674
    @deinonychus66743 жыл бұрын

    Perry is the master of the Uno reverse card. Also I love the insight of the use of lying as a tool. Michael Crichton's Rising Sun deals with this. Although fictional, it is a really cool look at the shrewdness of the Japanese culture.

  • @dv7533

    @dv7533

    3 жыл бұрын

    As I understand it, there was some cultural misunderstandings going on with this interpretation. Japanese diplomatic culture had different standards considering what conduct was honorable and polite. Flat-out refusing a request during a negotiation would be considered impolite, so a reason has to be given why such a request can not be honored. It's best if the reason given is outside of the negotiators powers so that the negotiator can not be blamed for it. Citing some law that may or may not exist is therefor a very convenient thing to do, so that neither party is insulted or lose face. However if in your diplomatic culture blatantly distorting the truth is considered impolite or dishonorable, there is going to be a culture clash. It seems to me that both sides here thought they were being very diplomatic and polite, and the other side was being very impolite, all due to a difference in the notion of proper diplomatic conduct.

  • @deinonychus6674

    @deinonychus6674

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@dv7533 Very true, that is a great observation that I completely agree with. I don't really think either side was at fault, I mean the Americans were very blunt and brash to the point of being offensive as well. It's a dynamic that I find very fascinating and some aspects I feel carry over to today when dealing with foreign relations.

  • @trueblueclue

    @trueblueclue

    3 жыл бұрын

    I think Perry had an insight on Japanese diplomacy and was probably briefed on some of the nuances. The fact that he understood lying to be part of that culture makes me think so.

  • @furripupau

    @furripupau

    3 жыл бұрын

    You'll find that Perry had studied what little was available on the matter of Japanese politics. Whether his info was right or wrong, he took it seriously and acted according to best information that was available to him.

  • @cenotemirror

    @cenotemirror

    3 жыл бұрын

    D V Exactly. The idea that ‘lying is part of their culture’ is very shaded and misleading, much like ‘the have a band of people trained to murder their enemies’ is a somewhat shaded way to refer to a country having an army. The sort of diplomatic falsehoods given weren’t considered lies by the Japanese any more than ‘It’s so good to see you’ would be when said to an unwanted arrival. Were we to be honest in that case ‘I don’t actually like you very much, Aunt, and I was going to watch sports on TV, go away’ it would be considered terribly rude. Japanese culture takes this even farther. Instead of ‘no,’ more often than not you’ll get ‘that’s an interesting idea, perhaps’. Which everyone understands to mean ‘no’.

  • @camiloasturrizaga3101
    @camiloasturrizaga31013 жыл бұрын

    Big thumbs up for the accent. You really know how to immerse into the narration!

  • @sachsimer8207
    @sachsimer82073 жыл бұрын

    ah this is so exciting!! I cant wait for part 2

  • @QuietFries
    @QuietFries3 жыл бұрын

    As an american I can tell you your American accent is pretty good. It doesn't sound modern if that was what you were going for. It sounds transalatic or new england. Which fits for this time period.

  • @thomasdonovan3580

    @thomasdonovan3580

    Жыл бұрын

    It is east coast Canadian mixed with some Ontario.

  • @TempleofBrendaSong

    @TempleofBrendaSong

    11 ай бұрын

    That sound like a New Hampshire accent.

  • @bjdickman27
    @bjdickman273 жыл бұрын

    Love this channel.

  • @mcRydes
    @mcRydes3 жыл бұрын

    i'm loving this series on relations between japan and the west

  • @fokii9880
    @fokii98803 жыл бұрын

    This is the thing I was most excited about!!

  • @fallbranch
    @fallbranch3 жыл бұрын

    I never knew you were so handsome! And the man holding you too Coco.

  • @jonathanorillo8721
    @jonathanorillo87213 жыл бұрын

    Did a bit of American accent roleplay there. 😁 👍

  • @WiseGuy508

    @WiseGuy508

    3 жыл бұрын

    It was so terrible, but it is the thought that counts.

  • @shane8037

    @shane8037

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@WiseGuy508 He sounds like an ESL who practiced really, really hard.

  • @WiseGuy508

    @WiseGuy508

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Abraham Girt I was just trying to be nice, but yes you are right.

  • @okitasan

    @okitasan

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@WiseGuy508 I'm an American and it sounds fine to me lol

  • @A-Forty3707
    @A-Forty37073 жыл бұрын

    It's always interesting to see the other side perspective

  • @DensetsuVII
    @DensetsuVII3 жыл бұрын

    2:32 Coco is the brains, the brawn, and the heart of the channel

  • @Averyofthemain

    @Averyofthemain

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's what he says: but he only wants to do english civil war stuff, he throws his nose up at anything else--Coco. Friggin' Coco.

  • @whatsup89100
    @whatsup891003 жыл бұрын

    Hell yes, as soon as you did the japanese series, I knew we would have to have something involving Commodores Perry's point of view.

  • @jo8422
    @jo84222 жыл бұрын

    Such an amazing channel

  • @erik9036
    @erik90363 жыл бұрын

    Proof that Perry was just a yandere

  • @whathell6t

    @whathell6t

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Erik Jonsson Nope! That’s incorrect. Perry was being Gemini Saga on Japan. Trying go all ”shion” on them.

  • @jeremyrossi2716

    @jeremyrossi2716

    2 жыл бұрын

    Regardless, he was the very first weeb

  • @Airlessarc
    @Airlessarc3 жыл бұрын

    alternate title "How the US Karened their way into trade with Japan" seriously this whole video is Perry going "Let me speak to the manager" then the Japanese go "we are the manager" and he's like "NO! THE manager!"

  • @aaronlaughter6471

    @aaronlaughter6471

    Жыл бұрын

    Actually its more like a guy going to the store and wiping a gun to the clerk so he can buy a drink.

  • @helloeverybody9675

    @helloeverybody9675

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, i don't think Karens would be made fun of if they came in on warships and with letters from the president.

  • @AlexanderosD
    @AlexanderosD3 жыл бұрын

    I hear you, going for that American accent. 😏

  • @avanticurecanti9998
    @avanticurecanti99983 жыл бұрын

    >telling Americans to go to Nagasaki

  • @corporalkills
    @corporalkills3 жыл бұрын

    As an American, if I didn’t know you weren’t American, I would have assumed that your accent was genuine

  • @nwerner3654
    @nwerner36543 жыл бұрын

    USA: "LET US SELL YOU OUR STUFF!!"

  • @emehlhar
    @emehlhar8 ай бұрын

    Imagine the reverse history. A large fleet of WW2 vintage warships including the flag battleship Yamato sailing into 19th century Washington DC area making demands of the USA.

  • @micerace580
    @micerace5803 жыл бұрын

    i keep comin back to this story i love it only up 4 hours ago lucky

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious033 жыл бұрын

    Entertaining video! Thanks for uploading? Should I feel bad that I seem to be one of the only people taking note of someone yelling, in perfect English: "I speak Dutch!" to a boat full of Americans?

  • @jpaulc441
    @jpaulc4413 жыл бұрын

    USA: Wait what, Britain, France and the Netherlands haven't colonized it yet? *sends fleet*

  • @speedy01247

    @speedy01247

    3 жыл бұрын

    To defend the US they didn't colonize Japan either.

  • @SA2004YG

    @SA2004YG

    3 жыл бұрын

    Colonialism was never really the end goal in itself, just the benefits it offered. That's why today advanced countries let their corporations siphon resources instead of expensive government occupations.

  • @hoticeparty

    @hoticeparty

    3 жыл бұрын

    Us had some left over british colonize dna so they went ahead and got some juicy rocks in the middle of the ocean Oh and Puerto Rico

  • @jameshughes5722

    @jameshughes5722

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@hoticeparty Are you joking the us have done and still are doing more damage world wide than the Britain ever did. The US don't even bother to colonise they just start coups then profit off the carnage at least the British left some sort of infrastructure when they colonised.

  • @Nickname-hier-einfuegen

    @Nickname-hier-einfuegen

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@speedy01247 America just invented its own flavor of Imperialism and Colonialism.

  • @SuperGman117
    @SuperGman1173 жыл бұрын

    You changed your accent! That's a nice touch.

  • @Sneemaster
    @Sneemaster3 жыл бұрын

    Can you do the Japanese perspective of Perry's expedition? I'm curious as to what they thought.

  • @verde629
    @verde6299 ай бұрын

    Very interesting because If Perry never broke Japan’s isolation policy, there would be a possibility of Imperial Japan not existing.

  • @fledadmiral8826
    @fledadmiral88263 жыл бұрын

    Elevator Button Close:Japanese Flag Open: American Flag

  • @Sidestreetdog
    @Sidestreetdog3 жыл бұрын

    So is this Japan's black ship incident that made them to open country and develop technologies?

  • @AstralBelt

    @AstralBelt

    3 жыл бұрын

    yes

  • @4jqxc

    @4jqxc

    3 жыл бұрын

    Pretty sure the blackahip happened some time before and was a dutch ship

  • @Nickname-hier-einfuegen

    @Nickname-hier-einfuegen

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@4jqxc There are several "black ships" in Japanese history. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Ships

  • @faizalf119

    @faizalf119

    3 жыл бұрын

    Japan actually already getting access to technology thanks to Dutch traders years before

  • @brucewayne2558

    @brucewayne2558

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yep. And Japan became a world power within a few decades.

  • @haldir108
    @haldir1083 жыл бұрын

    What a cliffhanger. I'd very much like to hear descriptions of the ensuing events, despite knowing the broad strokes.

  • @CStone-xn4oy
    @CStone-xn4oy Жыл бұрын

    A truly momentous moment in World History. Japan found the solution to western Imperialism, if you can't beat them, join them. As such Japan became the only non-western Imperialist country in the Age of Imperialism. What's more they went from being centuries behind technologically to defeating Russia in less than a half century.

  • @Ayaki6166
    @Ayaki61663 ай бұрын

    My ancestor is upper class samurai of the Tsugaru clan and part of the daimyō's family. One ancestor samurai was Kanjo bugyo(Finance commissioner) of the Tsugaru clan.I love Edo period's Japan.

  • @TheHylianBatman
    @TheHylianBatman3 жыл бұрын

    As an American, good accent. The only word I caught was "bow", which would be pronounced "bow" like the action rather than "boh" like the garment. If someone told you it was pronounced "boh" in American, they were wrong, I only hear that in the circles of those who don't know anything about ships. This video was excellent, all the videos I've seen of yours are. I haven't subscribed to you yet simply because I keep meaning to do a proper comb of your channel, but rest assured I will subscribe as soon as I do. EDIT: Comma'd excellent.

  • @Infernox789
    @Infernox7893 жыл бұрын

    I love your videos

  • @iskeyrin
    @iskeyrin3 жыл бұрын

    You guys need a podcast!

  • @goognamgoognw6637
    @goognamgoognw66373 жыл бұрын

    That was great, only bad that it ends. Could be listening to a much longer text.

  • @Vorael
    @Vorael3 жыл бұрын

    Wow, yeah, that went about exactly as you'd expect it would.

  • @jic1

    @jic1

    3 жыл бұрын

    Extremely well actually, by the standards of the time: nobody got killed, nobody got invaded, nobody ceded any territory.

  • @pinkyring1587

    @pinkyring1587

    3 жыл бұрын

    jic1 True lol

  • @WinmanDesigner
    @WinmanDesigner3 жыл бұрын

    Good to put a face with the voice. I really enjoy the videos too.

  • @Tod_x
    @Tod_x Жыл бұрын

    I love the serious video, not filled with jokes and memes

  • @jornadasdeinvestigacionsi8141
    @jornadasdeinvestigacionsi81413 жыл бұрын

    nice touch of realness u showing at last your face!

  • @Laptop46
    @Laptop463 жыл бұрын

    I crave the continuation.

  • @wolfbane7497
    @wolfbane74973 жыл бұрын

    So basically what you're telling me is America : " Japan open up the country stop having only the Dutch to get in. And actually see the country while other country leaders are only stuck at the docks. " Japan : " no you stay at the docks and like it we like the Dutch. " America : " oh okay " pulls out of gun to Japan's head. " So can we expect it to trade Now " Japan : " well shit "

  • @saladmus920
    @saladmus9203 жыл бұрын

    How do you research/find these????? I need to know man

  • @deathsheadknight2137
    @deathsheadknight21373 жыл бұрын

    fascinating

  • @Bailey_Gaming
    @Bailey_Gaming3 жыл бұрын

    Commodore Matthew Perry : "Could this country BE anymore closed?"

  • @GhostBear3067

    @GhostBear3067

    2 жыл бұрын

    Make a movie with Matthew Perry played by Matthew Perry

  • @rossreid2225
    @rossreid222510 ай бұрын

    I forgot you were English while watching this. Your accent is excellent!

  • @ajoajoajoaj
    @ajoajoajoaj3 жыл бұрын

    Ever think of covering the Taiping Rebellion? Probably one of the most dramatic, fascinating and bizzarre series of events in the history of inter-relations between Western and East Asian cultures.

  • @theEtch

    @theEtch

    3 жыл бұрын

    thanks I will look it up

  • @gustavovillegas5909
    @gustavovillegas59093 жыл бұрын

    It's so amusing to hear this in an American accent, well done from an American

  • @AuthenticDarren
    @AuthenticDarren20 күн бұрын

    There ought to be a part II of this video. You could still make a part II, even after all this time.

  • @spencersholden
    @spencersholden3 жыл бұрын

    Perry meeting the Emperor seems like the next episode.

  • @micerace580
    @micerace5803 жыл бұрын

    sooo good

  • @CrossOfBayonne
    @CrossOfBayonne8 ай бұрын

    Ironically within the next century America and Japan were at war, The same flag Matthew Perry flew was on the USS Missouri when the Japanese surrender at Tokyo bay took place September 2nd 1945.

  • @sophiaisbased9621
    @sophiaisbased96213 жыл бұрын

    The way he said "The Commodore" has to be the most American thing I ever heard

  • @user-jy4er7ki7l
    @user-jy4er7ki7l3 жыл бұрын

    今も昔も、アメリカにとって日本は無視できない国だったんだろうか?

  • @l.u.i.s._.8452
    @l.u.i.s._.84523 жыл бұрын

    Japan got a notification that was like Knock knock it’s the United States With huge boat and guns Gunboat Open up the country, stop having it be closed

  • @bruceccorwin
    @bruceccorwin2 жыл бұрын

    Japan: “ Messages must be delivered directly to Nagasaki.” US: “Understood.”

  • @swampdonkey1567
    @swampdonkey15672 жыл бұрын

    Perry stand boat reminds of the clip of the guy saying "I'm literally in a tank your not"

  • @RichMitch
    @RichMitch3 жыл бұрын

    Can you tell me what the image at 1:43 is please?

  • @emperorconstantine1.361
    @emperorconstantine1.3613 жыл бұрын

    Is there any records from Mr. Harrison when he went to Japan to offer the new treaty with Japan??

  • @johndoe5432
    @johndoe54323 жыл бұрын

    I wonder what the commodore thought might be the long term impact of the USA's relationship with Japan. From ally to enemy to back to being one of our greatest and most well respected allies.

  • @diegoflores9237

    @diegoflores9237

    16 күн бұрын

    Vassals, not allies

  • @richardsingh5827
    @richardsingh58273 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting and nice cat

  • @Qball42
    @Qball423 жыл бұрын

    Hey, the American accent isn't perfect but you did a pretty good job. The content was as good as ever.

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