"I'm somewhat of an experienced woodworker". That right there ladies and gentlemen is the understatement of 2021 🤣

Rob! You are 37 5/8th % the reason I woodwork. Your phone call when I ordered my dovetail saw. 10:20pm you called me! 1:20 am your time. You sir are an amazing human and even better salesmen! Keep this Stuff up!

“I’m somewhat of an experienced woodworker” ~Rob Cosman, 2021 🤣

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Is that a new coffee mug?

@joehirschegger7723

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, understatement of the century!

@richardgoebel226

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking Coffee mug? Yes! Just not from Amazon basics. You will chafe your lips on the rough finish around the lip.

@dalebuwalda1183

3 жыл бұрын

If Rob’s only somewhat experienced then I guess that makes me a caveman with a club and a slightly sharpened rock. Understatement of the century! And, yes, I would buy that mug.

Who else could see the ending of this video coming as soon as they read the title?

@robbie6625

3 жыл бұрын

I haven't made it to him opening the box and I know the answer lol. Take that $50 and put it towards a vintage Stanley or Millers Falls or Record....

@bobmacny333

3 жыл бұрын

@@robbie6625 Since 2009 Stanley makes #4 premium smoother lifetime warranty on sale at $139 occasionally. Lots less fuss out of the box than WR #4

@robbie6625

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobmacny333 are you talking about the #4 Sweetheart?

I got one of those, Christmas present, and you are absolutely right. Spend most of my time in frustration tuning it up for the first time. Does pretty good on pine but is lousy on my Walnut and red oak.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Thats what my conclusion is too

I'm taking your advice and saving to be able to get a good set of tools for when I have more time to invest in woodworking. Until then, my projects are smaller and I tune in to your channel to learn how to do it correctly. Thanks for being there, you help in more ways than I can say.

Thanks for sharing those tips!

Thanks for the review. Nothing worse to a person just getting into a hobby than getting frustrated and quitting because their tools are failing them and they think it’s their fault. I thought about getting cheap planes, but saved and waited for a sale on a wood river jack plane to do most of what I need and decide later if other planes will be helpful to me based on what I make.

@ginjeff

Жыл бұрын

My first plane was a cheap Stanley from the 80s. I didn't know a lot but it put me off hand planes for a long time. Then I tried some ebay antiques, not much better even with Hock irons. Finally made it to L-N and Veritas. Now I can't blame the tools, lol.

I love the review of a cheap tool. Please do more!

"I'm somewhat of a experienced woodworker" can that be a t-shirt? Haha

@protakill

3 жыл бұрын

That is a great idea.

I spent $50 on a rusty Stanley #4 I found on ebay. I cleaned and sharpened it and I must say it is a pleasure to use.

Thank you, Rob!

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

You bet

@ricardomattos862

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking by the way, as a beginer here in Rio de Janeiro - Brazil, I managed to buy the ONE Woodriver n5 I could find. I am very excited to use it. Thanks a lot for your videos!

Well spoken.

good video , thanks. I'm saving my money for an upgrade.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Wise move. Thanks for commenting I really appreciate it

I pretty much bought the same one but a no. 5 under the name shop fox. I’m almost at the point at giving up because nothing I do will get the darn thing run smoothly. I agree with you the frustration is not worth the savings from buying a cheap plane. I got a tall order for my family this Father’s Day lol 😂

I like to take those cheap planes and tune them up, especially on days when I don't have much else to do. The Amazon Basics one i have now works as well as a Stanley #4 from the 1970's. Meaning, it's still jankey, but works in a pinch lol

Thanks Rob, very fair and complete assessment. Keep on smiling.

I wish I watched this video before buying that amazon basics hand planer. I bought it and gave up on hand planing. I either don't get any shavings or i would get a big teardown. Now I understand I needed better tools!

Excellent example of plane chatter.

Good job on impartiality, and informative, factual comparison. I did actually try re-engineering one like this out of curiosity about a year ago. Leveling the frog, leveling the sole bearing plate nubs, deburring the advancement wheel threads, grinding an edge on the chip breaker, etc.. There was a limit to how well it improved and the lateral adjustment was still almost fully over to one side. It took a vice, a flatbed grinder, a selection of files and wet/dry paper and a few hours a night for a week. Due to the extra expense in tools to do the job, It wasn't worth it - definitely cheaper in the long run and better performance from a used Stanley on an auction site.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

The cheapskates in the world dont want to read replies like yours. Amazes me how they will spend a month to save a dime!

@davidcampbell2845

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking In fact - I've just added up the cost of a cheap plane and all the stuff I used to try to fix it - the total cost at least the same as a Wood River plane! And a Wood River works better than a cheap one ever will.

@richardc6932

3 ай бұрын

@@davidcampbell2845what were you expecting from a Chinese or India manufacturer? They are NOT producing the level of a LV or LN for $50. I have learned one thing, you only get what you pay for and there are times when you don’t !

@richardc6932

3 ай бұрын

To be totally up front and impartial a review should also include a comparison of the quality and price of a Veritas or Lie Neilson , the two front runners in the industry.

Congrats for this amazing video. Sometimes advanced woodworkers forget that not everyone can spend 200$ in just one hand plane.In my case,I live in Brazil and the shipment is more expensive than the own plane

@bobd.

3 жыл бұрын

True, but if you don't have a lot of money then you don't want to waste it on a piece of junk no matter how much it costs. Better to put that $50 into a good 50 year old plane than a new junk lane.

@hisxxx2

3 жыл бұрын

You can always consider (self made) wooden planes, it's a bit fiddling around with a hammer to get the right cut for the situation but after a while it happens in a afterthought.

@JamesSmith-su3oz

3 жыл бұрын

Just a idea, make a wood body plane, cheep ($), youl know how to make what you need.

Excellent video! These are fun to watch. One suggestion would be to take new planes out of the box and see how they operate with no tune-up. That would give you a benchmark for where it started, and you could see how much improvement can be made.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Well if by no tuneup you mean no sharpening that would not really be fair as no plane comes ready to use out of the box the manufacturer expects you to sharpening everything else I agree

Rob is one of the few people I can respect after he trashes my plane. I agree there is slop between when the blade is being pushed out and when it is being pulled back in making it difficult to get fine shavings. It's nice to know that when it gets to the point where the plane is not capable of doing what is needed, I can improve it by maybe leveling the sole, the frog seat, and rounding the cap made with indeterminate lightweight material. Also, if I was saving up for something better, my money would be in crypto not the bank.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Crypto you say? I know almost nothing about it

You do good work, Rob. And now I know not to get a $50 plane. I've never used a plane before. But I can see that it's a tool which I'd like to learn. And I can also see that it's a tool which had better be understood by it's operator. I think I can see that even a high quality plane will quickly become inefficient in the hands of a person who does not know how to tune it and keep it in good working shape. To market a cheap item with components badly outside of reasonable tolerances seems like bad faith. A beginner could never get the stupid thing working well and someone better prepared would choose something better. It is difficult to see any reasonable use or function for this item. It shouldn't be marketed at all. I'll use a plane one day in the not too distant future. But I now know to start with something maybe of the quality of Stanley for a start. I'll aspire to something of a higher grade when I think I can handle it. I've only discovered your videos in that last couple of days and I've watched perhaps a half a dozen. They are impressive. I have no doubt that I'll be back.

Well sayed rob, nothing like saving for a woodriver plane

@vanniedude

3 жыл бұрын

Lie Nielsen or Veritas is you want the best possible option. 🤘 I have a vast collection of planes and would say woodriver are equal to Stanley. Veritas and Lie Nielsen are masterclass tools.

@richardc6932

3 ай бұрын

@@vanniedudeI agree on that point. To be informative and fair to viewers any review should include options to the tool being reviewed. I enjoy all of Rob’s tips and tricks and methods of woodworking but I rarely take advice of a single reviewer’s recommendations unless I have heard from others (users not sellers) to back up the recommendation. Tools purchased on someone’s opinion might not always work for you.

In my kit only three planes were bought new. Those are fine quality devices. The majority of my planes are old Stanleys with rosewood totes and knobs. Aside from ruined or missing parts, the chief caution I'd make about them is to verify that the back of the blade near the cutting edge is not deeply pitted and/or that I will be willing to spend $40 or so for a quality after-market replacement. Typically such oldies are available for half the cost of the Amazon Basics and may require a similar degree of fettling to make them work very well compared to Amazon's offering plus their totes are comfortable, beautiful classics.

Rob you are a great teacher, and I am learning from you a lot, but for my opinion you have missed the point of educational part of the video!!! I will try to keep it short as much as I can but first I will said that: if you had the money you have preferred a second hand car or just one that came out of the factory? My love to work with hand tools have started because of a cheap chinese chisel by Irwin it cost my about 40 $ ( I am from Israel) so I bought no 4. And 5. I took them a part watched on youtube how to set them and tune them correctly ( Rex Krueger and Paul Sellers) it took me 4- 5 hours too work in each if them especially on the sole: flattening bring it to working right!!! I have learn from that a lot!!!! I am using them for pine, oak, and some time maple, now don't get me they far from being perfect their week point is their chip breaker and the thin blade so they don't hold their edge much long so I am using your method if sharpening and it's working well!!! I have also a no. 6 Luban wich is higher quality and it can't be compared to them: top machinery, 3 mm blade and high quality chip breaker , it tooked me 20 minutes to set it!!!! ( It no L.N quality). My point is that not all the people have got the money to buy the high hand tools or invest them or even intimidating of using hand tools because they afraid of setting and honnig, At this video you had the opportunity to address those issues for the people who want to work with hand plain and they are new to it. Can you plain with achep plane , yes if you make some improvement and money can buy everything but not experience. I am going to improve my no.4 and 5 with abetter chip breaker and thicker blades and I will do it because I know what I want and I know what to expect because of my experience....

Hi Rob, I have a new Stanley number 4 that's just like this Amazon plane. Can you do a video about upgrading the plane? e.g., thicker blade, fixing the bad adjustment mechanism, etc.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Actually I just did a live episode on that. Its posted on my channel look in my live event playlist.

Great evaluation - always wondered with those bargain planes if it was worth it or not. I'd rather use the time tuning up an old stanley. Thanks!

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you

Rob, this is very interesting and helpful. Keep up the great work. There are two measurements I'm curious about. First, how much "backlash" is there? Specifically, how many turns of the depth adjustment nut are needed to go from retracting to advancing the blade? Second, how close to square were the sides to the sole? If not square, how close in terms of thousands of an inch?

@jimbo2629

2 жыл бұрын

I have Stanley’s with sides out of square to the sole. But then I don’t use a shooting board. Backlash really annoys me, but is only a bit less on my expensive ones. It can’t be that difficult to machine more accurately when you are turning out thousands. If starting up buy old Stanley’s on eBay. Later on upgrade the blade and you have arrived. The top grade planes are too heavy for me for prolonged use. I bought a cheap block plane and improved it using my milling machine. Quality of blade is really important.

It seems having a perfectly sharpened blade is the key, most planes will work well with one

Wow, I was shocked you even went down this road. Granted having good tools does not make us any better as Woodworkers or Carpenters, but at least it takes one variable out of the equation. I would add if one could not afford a better Plane save the money and be on the lookout for a used one at an estate/garage sale as a used slightly worn yet originally higher quality unit would be better than this new one. Rob, thanks for being as honest as you could bring yourself to be under the circumstances ,lol.

Thanks! great review. If I had to start out with only one plane which type would you recommend that I buy 1st?

@Pauken11

3 жыл бұрын

Based on Rob’s videos I bought a WoodRiver 5 1/2 and his sharpening system and am very happy. Great results after the first sharpening, and I am a hand plane novice.

Ooow that makes a howling when used. Sound like finger nails on chalk. It just reinforces the concept of "You get what you pay for.". Rob has done a favour by demonstrating what you for your money. I've paid twice too many times. Thanks Rob - again

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Been there and done that too. Trying to help people avoid my mistakes

This was the first plane I ever bought, took forever to get it set up correctly. Nothing was flat. The blade was not perfectly square, kept having the sides touch before the center. After a few days of work, was able to get it working. To me this makes a good training plane (since nothing is correct), to learn how to tune up a plane. Never did get the frog set up correctly.

@richardc6932

3 ай бұрын

Luck of the draw guy. I purchased a Spear and Jackson off Amazon and with very little care it performs better than what I expected for $50 cdn. I am still in the Veritas camp because they are very reasonable at Lee Valley pricing.

Amazing. The frog casting had such bad voids it seemed to be missing half the bearing surface and the mouth was waaaayyy out of square. Reminds me of the quality of the Buck Bros I got at Home Depot when I was desperate for any plane.

@3henry214

3 жыл бұрын

Looks like uneven machining where there is untouched paint... that tells a story as well, npo wonder at the end things look skewed.

Personally I think someone would be better of spending that 50$ on a couple Stanley hand planes at a local garage sale, or kijiji/eBay. They're older tools, but at least its proven they will still work as good as new with some care. I picked up a bin of 8 stanley hand planes for 75$ locally from a post on kijiji a while ago and they work great! A little maintenance and sharpening and they are good as new. I even got a cute little Stanley no.1 from that purchase lol!

I have to agree with Rob. I spent so much money on the low quality tools or on tools that I didn't even need. If I combined all my lost money, I would have custom made hand planes with my name and logo laser engraved on them. after so many bad decisions in woodworking and in my life in general, I finally learned and now I only buy the top of the top tools. I do understand however, that many people really can't afford planes 4 or 10 times more expensive than that Amazon Basics plane. Please don't worry too much. You can buy your first hand plane for 50 bucks, and spend more time preparing it to work. You can flatten the sole, and the frog base and so on. You can refine the threads, and grease them well with high temperature car engine solid grease. After investing some time and effort in the cheapest plane or other tool, you can actually make it perform 90% as well as the top of the shelf tool. so if you can afford 400 bucks plane, go for it. if you can only afford 50 bucks plane, prepare your mind for some extra effort and time, and you can make it work pretty decent too.

Good honest review, thanks Rob. While it might be possible to flatten the sole, flattening the face of the frog and the contact points on the body for the frog would be difficult without some machining capabilities.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Well you probably could do it with a lot of coarse sandpaper adhered to a flat substrate since i think the metal is so soft, but I hate to think of the time and effort it would take

@TigerCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

you can use the files / ink and some patience my friend ;)

@bobd.

3 жыл бұрын

@@TigerCarpenter It's not worth the trouble. Plus you could never reach inside and smooth out the points where the frog is seated on the body. Yes you could get to them and flatten them, but they all need to be at the same elevation within 0.0005". You can't do that without a milling machine.

@TigerCarpenter

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobd. yes and no. my car is 12 years old, and has so many customizations that I wouldn't even trade it for the new one and of "better" make. but of course talking about 50 bucks item, it does make sense to save up and buy something of higher quality to start with.

I bought a $15.00 plane on Ebay. I plan to make it a sort of scrub plane. And that frog on your sample is only a little worse than the one on my Great Neck G5. My favorite plane so far is my Millers Falls #9b (#4 size).

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

If you have not done so yet, put a modern aftermarket blade in it and you will be amazed at the improvement

Just checked the amazon store to see what the reviews were like and I can't believe it has a four star rating from 495 reviews.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

495 people that think a hand plane is to hold paper from blowing off your desk! At least their happy, don’t show them the pile of rocks in the back yard!

I know they’re not typical for Rob, but I’d enjoy seeing his take on an EC Emmerich wooden plane. They make a traditional hammer-adjusted set of planes in Germany that are quite good quality. The smoother and jack planes typically can be had for around $100 each so more than the AmazonBasics but you could get the two of them for roughly the cost of the WoodRiver smoother. They are of course a very different learning curve. Just a thought for the budget-conscious.

@JourneyNorthAK

3 жыл бұрын

Rex Krieger just did his one year review on some mid price planes..one was an emmerich.

@Caffeine.And.Carvings

Жыл бұрын

Coming from Germany, all the old woodworkers use those worden planes. Absolut nightmare to set up and maintain. Also they lack the heft to it. Sure, cheap and they work when set up, but I much rather use a metal plane any day, especially a good one with filigrane fine tuning

So, no AdjuSTAR for the Amazonbasics hand plane, in the near future then?

@dalebuwalda1183

3 жыл бұрын

I rarely do, but I literally laughed out loud. Well played, sir.

I agree with your assessment, but think it helpful to distinguish between problems of fit and finish that can be repaired fairly easily with elbow grease (sharpness, sole concavity and roughness, handle shape, chip breaker profile) and deal killers (frog to blade and body fit, screw advance). Even the latter can be addressed if you need to, but are not worth it in my opinion either. The blade advance looks bad enough that if it were the only problem, I'd use a hammer. But I would expect that a rusty old $20 Stanley would be quicker to set up well, and then work better.

I have purchased two "cheap" planes. I find it funny how difficult professionals find working with less expensive (non-indorsed) planes. The ones I have used over the years are still working great and leave a smooth surface. And it takes work to get even expensive planes to set up perfectly out of the box. I have several of those as well and everyone needed tunning up. If this is what new woodworkers can afford why not show that it's possible to set this plane instead of bashing it. Teach don't sell is how I feel.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Frank, I have taught literally thousands of folks the basics of hand tool woodworking. I have a pretty good feel for their current skill sets and encouraging them to purchase a piece of junk like this would be a disservice. I put my work "out there" so you can base my opinion off my work. I suggest you do the same.

Rob, couple of things: 1) of all your videos, you seem to be most proud of your video 32 seconds sharpening. You mention it in almost every video. You should be too, that video has changed my life! 2) the magic is in the hands of the craftsman. I got a similar plane and it took me at least 20 hours to get it to work as well as you got it to work in 10 minutes. It seems to me that at this point you can make fine furniture with a rock and a stick. On the other hand, I can't won't be able to do much even if I am in a lie Nielsen factory with all the tools available to me

This is a lottery winner's plane - not something you buy after winning the lottery, but finding one that actually works well and has a reasonable ceiling is like winning the lottery. The mexico stanley actually has potential for someone who can file or flatten a plane bottom -the light weight lever cap on that plane is no good - I had one made the same way, but marked "buck brothers" that was less than the cost of a blade, but threw it away, anyway. Swap the lever cap with one from a stanley, and it works fine. plane hardwood with the lightweight flexible lever cap and it lacks stability to plane hardwood - swap back to the stanley lever cap, and fine again. So at the very least, you're at 65-70 for adding a stanley lever cap so that it can smooth (but the rest of the plane is garbage and above the auction price for a used stanley plane). None have been flat enough to do good smoothing work, either - either hollow in the length, or hollow in the width or both.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Funny, great comment

Rob, nice review but why didn't you goto your Shapton?

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Good catch. I figured “the plane cost $50, do I really want to use $400 worth of sharpening?” Probably best to just use the minimum acceptable edge, which was the Trend Diamond stone.

@nickstorm925

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking good point, someone that buys a $50 plane wouldn't be buying a shaptop.

I have the same plane (just Buck Bros instead of Amazon Basics) and have some things to add. I work with pine with knots in it, and since the blade isn't well supported by the frog, when it hits knots it flexes and digs into the wood quite badly. Also, the sole of the plane was ground crooked so one side of the plane is at 87 degrees and the other at 93 degrees, rendering it useless on a shooting board. It is still my only plane, but whenever I use it I wish I had a better plane.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Great comments very useful. I really appreciate you commenting good luck

Is it just me or did that “chatter” sound like nails on a chalkboard? “As an inexperienced woodworker” I want a fighting chance at getting similar results as Rob.and having a peaceful experience doing it.

Just like you say “ it’s all in the SHARPENING “

I believe in starting with a quality too so I can accept all the blame when the outcome isn't perfect.

Love this video, its tell people you get what you pay for. In this case you get headaches too

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Thats my basic point. Many people dont want to hear it though

Interesting, casting and machining finish is identical to the Kobalt No. 4 sold at Lowe’s.

Rob, I wish you would have taken a couple of passes on the cherry with your WoodRiver plane.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

It would have sounded like this: schwoooose

Matt Estlea did a video where he fixed one so that it performed decently. My take from that is that if you value your time and doesn't really enjoy fixing subpar tools it is cheaper to get one of the premium planes instead. I got an old Stanley no 4 for about the same money that works very well with just a clean up and sharpening.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

If you buy an older Stanley you are getting a better quality plane that will perform better, regardless of effort put in.

@Lyndalewinder

3 жыл бұрын

I bought an old second hand Stanley number 4 and old secondhand Stanley number 5 from eBay and after a couple of hours cleaning up, flattening the soles and sharpening I ended up with two pretty nice planes for about $70 in total. I'm just a retired hobbyist and could not justify $200 for one plane - in fact I think all my tools together only cost about $600 with my most significant purchases being a $100 Trend diamond plate and $100 for the workbench and second hand vise. Obviously professionals want something better these days but I'm sure that a 150 years ago the best cabinet makers on the planet did not have anything like a modern Wood River plane - and they did ok.

im rushing out to buy one right now!!!

Hi Rob , It’s sad that Manufacturers (Management sales) take pride in there products. I’ve learned a Graet deal from you and Thank you !!! PS love my Saws thanks.

@thomashajicek2747

3 жыл бұрын

Amazon only takes pride in making the cheapest product they can while squeezing customers for as much money as they can.

I bought this plane from Amazon, and it's an upgrade compared to the Groz planes I bought from Woodcraft.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Two wrongs don’t make a right!

Looks exactly like the Kobalt plane sold in the states in Lowes. Bought one just to try it out. It was horrible. Gotten a lot of old beat up planes to work couldn't get that one.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Yup, i understand

Good day. Im very interested to purchase a saw but live in South Africa. Firstly dont know if it will ship to me. What is the cost for a dove tail saw?

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

We do ship to SA but only with a courier not mail. Saws start at $250 USD.

What about a review on the #4 Stanley Handyman plane ($56USD) just for comparison?

@joeyshofner639

3 жыл бұрын

They are probably built in the same factory, They just stamped different names on them.

@isaach1447

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeyshofner639 That’s kind of why I would like to see it.… See how similar they are. How much more extra machining do you get for that $4 ... or is that just the cost of the Stanley sticker?🤣

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Good idea, we will put it on the list. Do you have one you can send us?

@isaach1447

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking SURE!....I’ll trade you for one of your dovetail saws, seems like a fair trade to me!🤣....(I’m only half joking....)

Rex Kreuger did a review of some budget planes from India that, if I recall, were okay for the money. I've used an older (1970s) Stanley that's "contractor grade" for years. It's not great, but better than that. It seems to me that a decent cheap plane--like I already have--could become a scrub plane when I get something better. So a total beginner wouldn't have to lose anything by buying something cheap-ish to get started Too bad the Amazon doesn't appear to even qualify for that.

Could you take the hour or two to properly restore the plane to see if you can get it usable? I'd be interested in that

This is random, but does anyone in the wood world know anything about Goodall brand planes? (Not to be confused with Goodell/Pratt). I've acquired two smoothers in pretty good shape. Both have "GOODALL" embossed right in front of the knob. I have seen similar style planes on Google and eBay, but none with the "GOODALL" embossed stamps in the front. Any information or help on the subject is greatly appreciated! 💚

That sound of that plane working in my headphones actually hurt my ears.

That high pitched sound he talks about is the first thing I noticed. I didn't think the reason was going to be vibration of the blade. I thought it would have been quality of the materials used in the plane.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Probable a bit of both

I found on ebay there is a brand called anant made in india that looks interesting. But the shipping from england is cost prohibitive. It would be interesting to see a review of that brand.

@Steve_1401

3 жыл бұрын

Rex Kruger did a vid on Indian planes kzread.info/dash/bejne/qIeirc2MdMWekdo.html

@SmilingDepression

3 жыл бұрын

@@Steve_1401 they're not the same. anant from what i could find is a fairly "old" indian brand, paul sellers mentioned not liking them and their quality being bad in the 70s and 80s. old forum posts from the early 2000s say they're decent planes tho but their new models look.. janky. seems 90s-10s were their golden days. the planes rex reviewed (at least the better one from grizzly) is sold by an american compagny, they're just manufactured in india whereas anant is both an indian compagny and may or may not manufacture for grizzly.

I already bought a cheap Stanley and it sucks even the sides are not squared. I'm saving for a woodriver or another, but i live in Chile so i hope it doesn't cost me an eye.

@ksh_tech

3 жыл бұрын

same story, stanly handymann just a piece of crap, stanley bailey need lot of forces for preparation

I've a British Record no. 5 that has a similar screw tightened cap iron. I find that it's my least favorite No. 5. The levered Stanleys and Millers Falls I have all are easier to fettle.

Rob, you got the blade sharp but the question is, how long did it stay sharp?

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Depends on what you are planing, a very dense tropical wood vs a soft species like White Pine. Could see triple the planing time on the Pine.

Watch Matt Estlea's video on hot rodding this thing. He did some great work on a. crappy plane.

For €80 ($92) you’ll get a Stanley #4 in The Netherlands. I would save some more to buy a Stanley, tough?

I think that Stanley looked angry when you set it down next to that Amazon boat anchor lol. Thanks for the review!

The review was excellent but I have to say that I believe you should have sharpened the blade exactly how you would have to your planes to get a completely honest review. Maybe sharpening it to the 16,000 would have helped take thinner shavings and give it a finished surface. We don't know by this review. Thank you for the content, Rob. I always enjoy your videos.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

The problems with this plane go well beyond a sharpening issue. The 1k sharpening did a decent job on the pine, the frog, sole, adjuster knob, lateral adj lever, cap iron and frog seating surface all were terrible. Waste of $50.

Nooooo, see Matt Estlea’s recent review of same/similar plane Surely save your money and buy something to refurb right?

There's a little irony in affordable entry level tools. Cheaper tools can suffice for a novice if they are tuned by a master. A novice like me would tune that thing into shiny door stop.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Thats funny, but its a good point

I am a beginner woodworker. I watched all the restoration videos on KZread, and then figured I could save money and buy a vintage plane on eBay and fix it up. I don't mind spending the time. Well, I couldn't. The experts on KZread make it look easy, but I don't have the skill yet. So second mistake: I bought a new cheap plane on Amazon. Slightly better, but still wouldn't work correctly. Finally, I sucked it up and bought a veritas. The price hurt, but guess what? I was able to use it and actually build projects. I would have saved a lot of money if I just bought quality right at the start.

@mikemcilroy4995

3 жыл бұрын

I did the same thing 15 years ago... don't throw the other planes out. After several years of planing and watching KZread videos about refurbishing planes I got the itch to try and fix the Sanoma. That cheap $20 Sanoma ended up out performing the Veritas bevel up jack plane... make no mistake it was clunkier but the chipbreaker allows for less tearout. After tuning up the Sanoma I have refurbished a couple of pretty badly abused Stanleys and a couple that looked bad but after a good sharpening worked great. I sold the Veritas last year and have never missed it I've also gave away one of the refurbished planes to a friend just starting out in woodworking. Enjoy the Veritas but maybe someday you'll be interested refurbishing those planes and possibly using them or passing them to somebody just starting out. I would never recommend buying one of these planes but since you already own it I would say that if you're willing to put the time and work in it will do just fine. The skill set is actually more about patience and practice...

@williamkatcher2469

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikemcilroy4995 thanks, I will take your advice and hold onto those other planes. Once I get more skilled in sharpening and to properly use a plane, I will try again.

Wow, that thing is a screaming banshee, can’t imagine using that for any length of time.

I think if you are going to get into the area of making commercial videos, you should do a crash course on sound reproduction - placement of the mic for example - the sound of that plastic wrapping rattling as you turn the plane back and forth is louder than your voice!!! And guess which one we’d prefer to hear? And what’s going on with the flag on the wall and the two flags on your apron? Can’t remember where you are?

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Somebody woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Why the nastiness?

Thx for ur advice but To us in Uganda we only have indian and Chinese tools that aren't easy to repair

In the old days, manufacturers made products the best they could, and then priced them accordingly. This plane is the result of the opposite. Making a product to meet a price point.

What I don't get with machined bodies is why the variation is so high. They're probably made on the same CNC machine as more expensive tools so getting precision doesn't really cost any more than not. Programming is programming. It's well known that many companies contract manufacture a wide range of quality tools on the same line with the only difference be tolerances or raw material quality. The only things I can figure are1) this level of tool is machined on a CNC that has been "handed down" from a company that has upgraded so it's a little clapped out; 2) the cutters aren't changed as often as they should be to save money so they don't cut smoothly and 3) taking one less pass raises machine productivity. Finally the dies for the sand molds for the frog casting are not tossed out as often as they should be resulting in a sloppy casting that can't be machined enough to make it right. I suppose that if you were a finish carpenter, this plane might be sufficient. It would be awfully painful to have $300 plane grow legs or be dropped down a stairwell.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

I was looking for a water jet service a few years ago, the first company I went to gave me back a sample that was rough and poorly cut. The second company now does all our cutting and it is fantastic. Probably both started with similar machines but for a lot of the reasons you mentioned they sure don't produce the same quality.

Not a fan of the scre caps. Everytime you put the blade back, you have to find the right spot for the right amount of tension. Lever cap is so much better. BTW, Jake is gonna get you the greatneck one next.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

And this plane was very difficult to obtain the correct amount of tension.

For many fewer dollars you could buy a lovely old Stanly No 4 which would be a better plane and last your lifetime.

Stick with wood river planes! Or lie Nielsen if you could get one..

In Italy we say "the less you spend the more you spend"

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

I like that....can i use it?

If you’re going to have to spend time making a cheap plane sorta work, you will have much better results buying an old trashed plane from a junk store snd restoring it

@stainlesssteellemming3885

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, from personal experience, the "junk stores" now know what they have ,.. and I routinely see stanley-shaped piles of rust priced at $70-$100.

@bobd.

3 жыл бұрын

For $50 you can better than a 'junk' plane. $50 will get you a nice #5. I bought a Stanley Bailey #5 which looked like it had been used once. Came in the original box which was a little beat up but I wanted the plane not the cardboard. :-) I found it at a flea market for $25. That was about 8 years ago but my point is you can get a much better older plane (which may still need some tweaking/TLC) for the same money.

@stainlesssteellemming3885

3 жыл бұрын

@@bobd. 8 years ago is an eternity unfortunately. Mr Sellers has single-handedly pushed the ebay price for a Stanley #4 up near $100. All of my local stores want at least $100 for a #5. As for old Stanley 71s? It was cheaper for me to buy a new Veritas. The problem is that the collectors have got into the game - which means the price of old "vintage" tools is no longer tied to the price of new ones. It's tied to whatever random price another collector or decorator will pay for a shelf-queen to adorn their own or their client's man-cave

@alangreen3425

3 жыл бұрын

@@stainlesssteellemming3885 ever notice on eBay, if the word "vintage" is included, $100 or more is automatically added?

@richardc6932

3 ай бұрын

@@bobd.one in a million find, not all that a common one. Usually in far worse condition but definitely not beyond repair.

If you want a decent plane AFTER investing the work tuning it up, buy an old Stanley and expend your effort on it. Less initial investment and a lot better tool when you're done. Lots of KZread videos on how to do it.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. You’d be starting off with a much better tool.

@JM-sz4oi

3 жыл бұрын

L-N #4 $360, L-V #4 $220, Woodcraft #4 $200, last swap meet Stanley #4 $25. Would love L-N but I'm cheap. 😀

Or buy a good used Stanley, preferably before WWII

Great review...great teaching in the process. Lousy plane for sure. .

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and commenting I really appreciate it

It will cost you a lot of time. But if you can get it to work like a well made plane you would have learned all that there is to learn about hand planes. Another way to look at it. Hand tool woodworkers should know everything there is to know about their tools.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

I would counsel if you want to do that, start with an old Stanley, Record, or Millers Falls or similiar

Mate you should give Matt Estlea credit for the video idea If you haven't because he did this exact video about a month ago.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

There are several others who have reviewed it, but this video is my review of the plane, not someone elses.

@Firefoxtony

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking gotcha. Well done mate.

i think calling that cap a leaver cap is still corect, because it act as a leaver. not as it is suported by one, the screw on the frog is a pivit point and cap is the levar itselfedit also buying a macalister plabe in a blister pack in local big box store for 20$ seems to be a bettter choice , at least my plabe was, no brass parts, only stailness knobs and bolts , plastic handle but overall much batter shape

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Yes you are correct I got a lever and a cam mixed up. Never did like physics! 😄

Amazon has gone from "We sell everything." to "We'll sell anything."

Better off buying an oldie but goodie

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

If you think the amazon plane is bad try a winsor no. Xx from harbor fr. it wont evin make a bad scrub plane.

Got to admire your restraint on that plane, the phrase " bag of shit" springs to mind. Totally agree with what you said about keeping what money you have to then add to it to by something better. I do try and tell the apprentices iv worked with to spend some money early on, on something that should last years and before you get married with children. Eg planes, chisels a decent nail pouch, hammers, drills ect.

Looks like you almost ran out of lateral adjustment just to get a full width shaving. Have a Groz plane that doesn't allow enough lateral adjustment to go full width. No amount of monkeying with the frog (or anything else) could save that thing.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that’s another common problem I probably should have emphasize that a bit more

That top piece with the knob and logo might be zinc.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

3 жыл бұрын

Your guess is as good as mine