Alternate method to wiring the EG4 18KPV Hybrid Inverter without a transfer switch

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Instead of a transfer switch with 200 amp pass thru. I tap the feed and run a disconnect, and keep the load on an interlock breaker.
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  • @jmuller86
    @jmuller863 ай бұрын

    I got these products from Signature solar; Here is my affiliate link: signaturesolar.com/?ref=7rJ9YpLX43wWvT Link to inverter : signaturesolar.com/eg4-18kpv-hybrid-inverter-all-in-one-solar-inverter-eg4-18kpv-12lv/?ref=7rJ9YpLX43wWvT Link to batteries : signaturesolar.com/eg4-powerpro-14kwh-all-weather-lithium-solar-battery-wallmount/?ref=7rJ9YpLX43wWvT

  • @doomprophet
    @doomprophet3 ай бұрын

    That story you told about the tech support is amazing!

  • @harveylong5878
    @harveylong58783 ай бұрын

    pretty amazing that EG4's own tech support watched your video, reached out to you with some ideas/suggestions. most of the time, tech support criticizing installs. the K.I.S.S. method makes setup easier for everyone else. transfer switches are huge,noisy. we have 1 buzzing abnormally loudly at our complex, contractor bid some big bux to replace it or disable it since the backup genset was long since abandoned

  • @DieselFuelOnly
    @DieselFuelOnly3 ай бұрын

    Cool setup Jesse, so if I understand correctly you've got 200amps coming in from the meter to the taps. The taps connected to both the 200amp main breaker on your panel and the 70 amp breaker you mounted above the panel. Since you don't need anywhere close to 200 amps to run your house, you leave the 70 amp breaker on, grid power normally runs through the inverter and is backfed into the 70amp breaker inside your panel which goes to all the loads. In the event the power is cut from grid the inverter can almost instantaneously switch over to the batteries without interruption. And if for some reason the inverter failed, you can turn off the 70 amp breaker in your panel and move the interlock down and throw the 200 amp main breaker and bring power directly in from the grid bypassing the inverter. Hope I got that right.

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    Yes, exactly

  • @karencary3312
    @karencary33123 ай бұрын

    Above my brain capacity, but I like watching and learning. ❤❤❤❤

  • @maths9085
    @maths90853 ай бұрын

    @jmuller86 Nice upgrade to the wiring configuration. Putting your new disconnect above the main panel sideway would be fine, no prohibition on that in the NEC. But I see that you have two neutral conductors terminated on the EG4 neutral busbar. Both of those originate from your main panel, one going through the new 70A disconnect above and then down the new LFMC to the inverter, the other going down through the LFMC that goes out the bottom of the main panel to the inverter. If you think about it, those two conductors are in parallel: they both originate at the same busbar (main panel) and ultimately terminate at the same busbar (inverter). Which means that constitutes a 310.10(H) violation, as they are smaller than 1/0. Perhaps more importantly, any neutral current between the inverter and the main panel will divide along the two paths, regardless of the state of your interlocked breakers. So you'll have a 300.3(B) violation, as not all the conductors of the circuit are in the same conduit. The solution to both problems is to use only one neutral conductor between the main panel busbar and the inverter busbar, and to route it along with both your (2) interlocked 70A breaker ungrounded conductors and your (2) new 70A tap conductors in a single conduit run that has all 5 conductors. You can use either the upper route through the new 70A disconnect, or the lower route through the bottom of your main panel. If you use the lower route, then you could also delete the neutral wire that goes from the main panel to your new 70A disconnect. Plus the lower route is shorter, so it looks like you'd be under 24" and not have to worry about derating for 4 CCCs.

  • @brentking-gmailking2570
    @brentking-gmailking25703 ай бұрын

    Great video Jesse. Thanks for sharing.

  • @SciPunk215
    @SciPunk2153 ай бұрын

    That totally makes sense. I can't wait to see this solar system take shape!!

  • @dennisbailey4296
    @dennisbailey42963 ай бұрын

    Really appreciate you doing a talk-through at the same time you're doing your work it makes it a lot clearer what you're doing and where you're headed. Thanks so much

  • @rhondasweeney7271
    @rhondasweeney72713 ай бұрын

    Great information for people who have solar 👍 Thanks for sharing!! 😊

  • @ianmurray9201
    @ianmurray92013 ай бұрын

    Hi Jesse great video, being a retired Plumber I had no idea what you were talking about but enjoyed it as usual.

  • @colinkuntz7907
    @colinkuntz79073 ай бұрын

    So awesome what you do! I remember when you brought the electric into the foundation.

  • @brandonnorris927
    @brandonnorris9273 ай бұрын

    Love your channel and videos very informative learned a lot .

  • @thisismyway
    @thisismyway3 ай бұрын

    I am thinking about installing this EG4 system, so this is great for me. Thank you very much for these videos Jesse!

  • @robertsimmons3556
    @robertsimmons35563 ай бұрын

    Good update, glad your doing the heavy lifting figuring out the what if's of this configuration! It is really cool that you have people from EG 4 following your channel. Sure as heck short cuts the process figuring it out talking directly to the source!! Good post Jesse! Thanks Man!

  • @marymigliore3396
    @marymigliore33963 ай бұрын

    Great job Jesse !

  • @juncalantoc8281
    @juncalantoc82813 ай бұрын

    Nice thanks for a great video cause I’m already planning the same way for my grid connection! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

  • @paulhammond7489
    @paulhammond74893 ай бұрын

    Glad you recommended re-torquing the connections on the Burndy tap's after 24 hours. It's an important step that so many miss, and loose connections can overheat and eventual fail in a very bad way (Retired electrician) Looking forward to the solar work :)

  • @maths9085

    @maths9085

    3 ай бұрын

    Unless the Burndy's instructions require you to do that, it is unnecessary. The initial tightening torque is supposed to be set by the manufacturer to ensure a good connection even after everything relaxes a little. Taken to an extreme, if you came back and retightened them every day, eventually you would damage the conductors.

  • @dper1112
    @dper11123 ай бұрын

    Very cool stuff. Thanks for the videos!

  • @karlmckinney8469
    @karlmckinney84693 ай бұрын

    Quite an informative video thank you for sharing this

  • @jwacker6590
    @jwacker65903 ай бұрын

    Great video! My 2 18kpv's arrived yesterday. Now I'm just waiting on my 16kw of panels and 43kwh of batteries to arrive on the slow boat from China.

  • @Steve-zf1oo
    @Steve-zf1oo19 күн бұрын

    You are the best for sharing this I have been wanting to install this but hesitant because of the knowledge to wire thk u for sharing!!!

  • @joshpierce3003
    @joshpierce30033 ай бұрын

    Good job with your house man

  • @nicholasgrammatico403
    @nicholasgrammatico4032 ай бұрын

    Doing a schnieder 2 inverter d/c coupled now. Signature Solar has been great to deal with, I am newbie and not licensed all very knowledgeable,helpful and responsive. Good video 😊

  • @williamkn621
    @williamkn6213 ай бұрын

    Great equipment and supplier

  • @norsk54472
    @norsk544723 ай бұрын

    Great video. I installed my 1st solar system on my 96 year old house back in 2000. I have improved things 3 to 4 times now since then. In 1998 I upgraded the house from the old Tube and Knobs with a 4 fuse panel to a 125 amp panel and installed the main service panel then as well - with permit and inspection. I am a DIYer and have been experimenting with solar since 1992. Today, I have a 100 amp GE/ABB transfer switch that allows me to switch the mostly whole house loads panel between grid and inverter output. My loads are very modest as I worked hard to achieve smart and efficient loads I use 2 Schneider XW Pro inverters and charge controllers. If I were installing the system today, I would now use the 18kpv like you did. Tech today is so GREAT when compared to a few years ago My breaker from the grid to my inverter is OFF 99% of the time. I use Chargeverters to re-charge the batteries, either from grid or from small dirty power generators. Thank you for showing the "tap" process in a real system. I will keep this in mind for possible future use on another house - if I live long enough, I am getting old now. Appreciate again the video, I am sharing it with fellow solar guys. doug

  • @richardkaufman1643
    @richardkaufman16433 ай бұрын

    Make sure you use some large labels on that disconnect. Switches can be mounted sideways as long as it’s properly labeled. Nice, well planned installation.

  • @sydneymcconnaughhay5947
    @sydneymcconnaughhay59473 ай бұрын

    Wow ,i was lost after the breaker was turned off to your home,,,, didnt say i was an electrician,but i bet you had some good information,,,like aways your videos are great.

  • @AW-Services
    @AW-Services3 ай бұрын

    A brilliant and very current video with increased sales of PV systems and renewable energy. It's a shame Eg4 didn't have a trigger output with NO / NC contacts to run a grid voltage present auxiliary warning light or buzzer with time delay to notify you of restored services after an outage. It always amazes me at the conductor size of American wiring. It is very different to our British incoming mains. Great video, Jesse

  • @merlepatterson
    @merlepatterson3 ай бұрын

    In the Navy we had Line Sensing ABT electro-mechanical interlocks. I believe it's legal to turn a feeder breaker sideways as long as there's permanent labels with "ON" / "OFF" in the upright position on the sideways panel and the watertight integrity isn't compromised.

  • @glenjamindle
    @glenjamindle3 ай бұрын

    The 6'7 rule is measured to the 'handle' in its highest position

  • @jr-wj1ec
    @jr-wj1ec3 ай бұрын

    You are definitely not afraid of hard work. You have an impressive wealth of knowledge on different areas of construction. As far as the mounting of your disconnect I would agree you are correct. Enclosures containing OCPDs must be mounted in a vertical position unless this is impractical [240.33]. Circuit breaker enclosures can be horizontal if the circuit breaker is installed per 240.81. Ecmweb Com Mag 710ecm C Bfig4 Fig. 4. Enclosures for overcurrent devices must be mounted in a vertical position, unless this is impractical. The requirements of 240.81 specify that where circuit breaker handles are operated vertically, the “up” position of the handle must be in the “on” position. Therefore, an enclosure that contains one circuit breaker can be mounted horizontally, but an enclosure that contains a panelboard or load center with multiple circuit breakers on opposite sides of each other would have to be mounted vertically Thanks for the videos

  • @leehwhiz
    @leehwhiz3 ай бұрын

    I like the methodology you used to make a transfer switch. I'd have to look at my Victron MultiPlus II to see how that it might work in a off grid setup. I am currently install mine in a motorhome where the 50 Amp supply comes through a generator/shore power transfer switch and directly to the inverter/charger. One thing I did notice as a person who specialized in electrical safety during my career is that you should put blanks in your panel to replace the missing breakers as some DIYers may not know the difference and as I found out years ago on a large electrical appliance, kids can get there hands into the strangest places. The other recommendations, always use the back of your hand when you might be dead checking your power. As you mentioned your muscles will close or contract. By use of the back of the hand the contraction of the arm muscles will bring you hand/arm back to your body. Good work on this though.

  • @chrisbarr1359
    @chrisbarr13593 ай бұрын

    That's the coolest, most high tech utility room I've ever seen. Your house is beautiful! I've really enjoyed watching you and your crew build it. It took a lot of guts and research to tackle this project. You should be proud of yourself!

  • @coolcat312
    @coolcat3122 ай бұрын

    I’ve been looking at the 18KPV and I like what you’re doing here. I’ve got 15 kW of existing grid tied solar running on Enphase micro inverters. My utility only allows self-power if you’ve got batteries so currently when the grid goes down my solar goes down with it (I’ve got a production meter that goes straight to the grid). It sounds like you’re saying there’s a possibility that the Gen input on the 18KPV might be able to handle the full 15 kW of AC Coupled solar. If that’s so then this is really exciting. I’ve got 200 amp main service on aluminum lines just like you do. I’ve got some thinking to do now for sure. Thanks for the video!

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    2 ай бұрын

    Actually an engineer at EG4 told me that the 18kpv can handle up to 19kw of ac coupling on top of 19kw of dc pv. So 38kw altogether. They will coming out with an update so you can actually ac couple through the load port as well for more ac coupling. The 18kpv really does have a lot of neat features

  • @TheRealoldcar
    @TheRealoldcar2 ай бұрын

    You can definitely in most of USA turn that breaker box horizontally. And yes, running the EG4 in full time pass through functioning as a UPS is how I am running it for that last 2 months. The only down side is the EG4 has some overhead of course ( haven’t had time to perform an exact) and I have not found any factory information on the life cycle expectancy over the long haul. Great video as always.

  • @MySynthDungeon
    @MySynthDungeon3 ай бұрын

    Morning coffees on!! Here we go!!Cheers!;-)!!

  • @user-no3lu1ff2t
    @user-no3lu1ff2t3 ай бұрын

    As a fellow master electrician I love this. I have been researching solar and trying to figure out what inverter I want to get started with. I think im going to get the eg4 6000xp and set it up the same way you have with the 18k. Love it.

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    the 6000xp seems to be a nice inverter. I might order 2 of them for my solar trailer I am currently building

  • @jimanderson4495
    @jimanderson44953 ай бұрын

    Thanks. Jesse, pardon my French, but I love this SH*T!

  • @DavidGawel
    @DavidGawel3 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the Video.

  • @jdorville
    @jdorville3 ай бұрын

    I recommend to add a delay when the grid comes back on, sometimes they can do some maintenance outside on the grid and you can switch back and forth, also this can hurt some appliances that have a compressor. Good luck

  • @DDDeeter
    @DDDeeter2 ай бұрын

    Nice job

  • @robertjennings5357
    @robertjennings53573 ай бұрын

    Wow, miles above my pay grade, but so cool to watch you do this and develop your knowledge and understanding of how the system can optimize your life!!

  • @patrickaschoff9240
    @patrickaschoff92403 ай бұрын

    Hi Jesse, Would you please consider a rewire of your topology from a 70amp feed to a 100amp breaker with #2awg and reposition the box horizontally to eliminate the seal-tight piano string crap? Then by default, use the generator safety slide as a "Global Wrap" Maintenance Bypass. This becomes useful when servicing the EG4 or in the event of a catastrophic failure of the EG4. And add a TVSS to your main panel for the transfer spikes when the utility fails. All just my opinion because I know the way you have it now is going to bug you. Why do I know it's going to bug you is because anyone that actually uses a real torque wrench in a panel is a honorable OCD man. Also remember the limitations on the array current keep that in mind when you are thinking out loud with all the possibilities. Keep up the good work. Best regards, Patrick

  • @user-hf3do3vu1j
    @user-hf3do3vu1j3 ай бұрын

    I hope you are writing all this info so in the future you know what you engineered when I worked we used a log book to keep track of what we did

  • @nathangreer4685
    @nathangreer46853 ай бұрын

    You can have your 70 amp disconnect box horizontal, since the breaker would be oriented just like a typical breaker panel. You can't flip the 70 amp disconnect 180 degrees like you can a main panel (not that you would want to anyway) because then "off" would be "up" and "on" would be "down" which is confusing at a glance. Even with the breaker labeled ON and OFF you can't have it operate upside down.

  • @jonathanlyerly8501
    @jonathanlyerly85013 ай бұрын

    Great video! I would love to see a schematic for this install.

  • @hbs-system9462
    @hbs-system94623 ай бұрын

    Let me help you out 1 You have to use a double throw switch or ats 2 two sources of power can't be in the same line and box . 3 A splice box have to go near to your Lb and distribution panel. You use seal tight flex pipes but both your distribution and disconnect are not water proof plus there are plumbing line less than 3 feet from your electrical And the list goes on please this installation is not for the do it your selfer and I recommend a riser get done , then approve then installation can happen. I have 6.6 mega watts of installed and running solar and love the Eg4 system but recommend this installation not to be attempted by do it your selfer. Keep up the work .

  • @mikehors7351
    @mikehors73513 ай бұрын

    Great info but I would look in to putting a GFI breaker for lighting to save your inverter just saying. Keep up the cool vid's.

  • @randazzle1388
    @randazzle13883 ай бұрын

    induction stoves are awesome... had a samsung for 5 years now... cooks as good as gas... surface stays clean looking because the glass doesn't reach the high temps the standard electric stovetops do. no hassle of gas either. induction for the win.

  • @1944chevytruck
    @1944chevytruck3 ай бұрын

    AMAZING!

  • @mendohomepower7492
    @mendohomepower74923 ай бұрын

    If you schedule your charging from the grid you can normally charge at a lower rate if you schedule charging for early morning hours. You may not have time of use in your neighborhood but its what all the net metered customers here in California have.

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    Yes that is a good use of this inverter and batteries. I dont have peak rates in my area but you never know when they could switch to it

  • @jlsrr2577
    @jlsrr25772 ай бұрын

    I used feeder taps as well when wiring that inverter but I installed those in a 200amp transfer switch because there was so much more room

  • @ericnewton5720
    @ericnewton57203 ай бұрын

    There’s a plumbing clean out not even 6” away from the inverter. Wow. But this is still a great video, I’ve always wondered if a setup like this without a transfer switch could work. Thanks for confirming. Realistically these inverters, and victrons inverters, probably any inverters that have grid input could be used this way.

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    These inverters can be put outside so having a plumbing pipe next to it wont be an issue

  • @jonathankeith2547
    @jonathankeith25473 ай бұрын

    American wiring codes always amaze me. In Australia we have much tougher regulations, but we also have a single phase voltage of 240ac and three phase voltage of 415ac coming into out panels. Anything to do with mains supply, or power export requires an electrical inspector, and a whole heap of paperwork and applications on line. Any sort of export is called “Embedded Generation” and requires an agreement, aproval and an inspection!

  • @beckostudio
    @beckostudio3 ай бұрын

    I do not know how it is in the USA, but in EU we are not allowed to change the cable diameter on a simple block, only via fuse (breaker). So the same "AWG" has to be the out as the in feed.

  • @freetolook3727
    @freetolook37273 ай бұрын

    Wow, finally, a Jesse Muller video that won't take me three days to watch! 😂😂😂

  • @NvrEndingADVR
    @NvrEndingADVR3 ай бұрын

    jesse is a pretty smart guy builds his own house and wires it all up like i want to see him do a visor talking about his upbringing and how he got all is knowledge would be so cool to learn more about this guy

  • @peterking1134
    @peterking11343 ай бұрын

    Your system is very expensive and sophisticated. Have you taken any steps to protect it from surges/lightning?

  • @dcrahn
    @dcrahn3 ай бұрын

    I would like to see an audible alert to let you know when the grid power is back on and not just rely on a small light on the inverter. Nothing really loud just a simple interrupted beep to get your attention.

  • @elwoodpdowd128
    @elwoodpdowd1283 ай бұрын

    AND STILL. The most talented guy on KZread.

  • @soulis1000
    @soulis10003 ай бұрын

    What i would have done differently is conecting the incoming grid power to the top side of the breaker, thats what i have been taught. It doesnt make a difference for the function ofcourse its just good practice imho.

  • @danaskubic2145
    @danaskubic21453 ай бұрын

    Ummmmmmmmm.............OK! Thanks for sharing Jessie.

  • @solarcharging9743
    @solarcharging97432 ай бұрын

    Read what someone named Jeremy wrote on Medium about his EG4 inverter: "From flicking lights to not providing acceptable power for ev chargers. I have had nothing but issues with my eg4 6500 exs that I purchased from signature Solar. The units are really hard to get all of the settings correct from the start. Then the settings will randomly just revert back to factory settings. My Tesla will charge by its self but if you try to start an appliance with a decent load the car will stop charging even though the combined 13000 watts of power was not even close to being exceeded. The inverters are also extremely loud with fans that run all of the time. Fast forward a year and one of the inverters have thrown a f09 code (internal failure). Signature solar will honor the warranty, But they have taken nearly a month and the inverter hasn’t even been sent back yet then they will ship out another (used one) to replace it. One inverter won’t cut it because it’s only 120v so I sit without a working system."

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    2 ай бұрын

    Yea there were a lot of problems with the 6500. Signature solar for the most part has been good about customer service. I am on a facebook group called signature solar eg4 and I see all the back and forth but people are happy most of the time

  • @winnepoo9788

    @winnepoo9788

    Ай бұрын

    Yup, I had nothing but issues with my 6500s. Had four of them replaced under warranty for different issues. Finally gave up and used their upgrade program to get a 18kpv. Will see how it goes I guess.

  • @criticalevent
    @criticalevent3 ай бұрын

    That's a problem with manual transfer switches a lot of people have, that you can't tell when the power has come back on.

  • @douglasthompson2740
    @douglasthompson27403 ай бұрын

    Always hard to say what an inspector in another area will allow or not. Then there is also the personal prerogative not governed by NEC which can be quite arbitrary. Having said that I mounted my Square D (not Homeline) 200 amp panel horizontally in my shop and passed inspection without a word about it. Seems I had read Square D specs which also allowed it. As I recall NEC 2023 specifies it as long as the switch is labeled and the manufacturer approves it for vertical or horizontal it meets code.

  • @wirenut003
    @wirenut0033 ай бұрын

    You should of had the service come into a 8x8 trough with end caps, then you mount the house panel on that and all your splices would be in the trough and down the trough you would be able to mount and power everything. I work and live in NYC and to code you can not slice in a service panel this is why you use a trough makes it neat and easy and safe. 38 yrs doing this stuff.

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    there is no code that says that you cant tap inside of a panel. There have been a few people who have said that but not one has come up with the actual NEC reference.

  • @wirenut003

    @wirenut003

    3 ай бұрын

    @@jmuller86The code is you can not use a service panel as a raceway, the taps are considered a splice that are to be done in a raceway --pull box- trough. This is NYC code maybe you have national code by you.

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    @@wirenut003 you still have not referenced an actual code with an actual number. This is also not NYC, you can keep that crap down there, it has no relevance up here, and the rest of the world. But I also highly doubt that it is an actual code down there, I think you just havent done enough homework. This has been done in millions of homes all over the U.S.

  • @wirenut003

    @wirenut003

    3 ай бұрын

    @@jmuller86 Jesse 38 years Local # 3 international brotherhood of electrical workers, certified lineman. so yeah I don't know crap about it. So keep that mess of a room up in your neck of the woods because it would not pass here.

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    @@wirenut003 you can be wrong for 38 years. It happens all the time. Its called learning. The fact that you are union explains why you dont actually know. You do one thing over and over again, doesnt mean you know anything more than that. Being a linesman doesnt mean you install solar. You still have not recited the actual code. If you could not tap a feeder, inside the panel..then there would not be many solar installations. What if the conduit enters the panel from behind the wall? Exactly....what you are saying doesnt hold water. Show me the code reference

  • @mwolrich
    @mwolrich3 ай бұрын

    you can leave the main breaker off… the way you wired it now. that’s was my comment on your first video. one plus to how you have it wired is, if the EG4 fails, you can pass your power directly to the load panel, and remove the EG4 to get it repaired… all without a 200A transfer switch (they are also pricey, as you pointed out)

  • @Tillyface89

    @Tillyface89

    3 ай бұрын

    Yeah I'd leave the main off now and let all the power go through the EG4 and he has completely automated backup. Only need the main if the EV4 fails or you need to run a larger than 70amp load.

  • @NvrEndingADVR
    @NvrEndingADVR3 ай бұрын

    jesse i been watching your videos forever , can we hear you talk about like your first job and basically how you got to where you are today please

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    Ok I will try to start planning for a video. Maybe titled ...where I came from , or how I got to where I am. It is an interesting story

  • @michaeltechroom
    @michaeltechroom3 ай бұрын

    for sure neat

  • @Pippy626
    @Pippy6263 ай бұрын

    I would double check that you have the setting to back feed solar to grid is off without an automatic transfer switch or interlock. My area fines you if the meter senses power when the service is off.

  • @DRAXpromo
    @DRAXpromo3 ай бұрын

    if you wanted to you could run 100 amp grid right into your inverter from the main panel and then go to a 100 amp panel for all your circuits. if you ever need more than 100 amps you run a 2nd 100 amp system and double your solar panels and batteries.

  • @arnoldromppai5395
    @arnoldromppai53953 ай бұрын

    Here in Ont. Canada you can mount any panel side ways. But I don't think. I'd have to check in this kind of set up. You can't split your main feed. Would have to be feed from a bracker in main or sub panel. So going by that. This would be a no go. Just like 200amp must be feed by a 250mcm alumunum. In 1997 when I installed my 200amp I could use 4/0 UMD90 ALUMUNUM but both are at a max of 230' over that have to go to 700 due to votage drop.

  • @user-nx2ms1dv2e
    @user-nx2ms1dv2e3 ай бұрын

    I was ready to copy your old design, but this is a great improvement. To clarify: there is not a 70amp limitation as you mention using 100amp or 125amp breakers? I know double pole 150’s were once available for my panel but have been discontinued. 125amp breakers are available as I’m using one on a sub panel.

  • @vincentl.8145
    @vincentl.8145Ай бұрын

    30:00 you do know they sell UPS towers for computers, right?.....🙂j/k...very informative video.

  • @bombardier3qtrlbpsi
    @bombardier3qtrlbpsi3 ай бұрын

    Nice job 👍. House for me with stairs useless for me. Like stairs to the bedroom etc. U get hurt, age comes sooner than later.... I'll take a bungalow anytime.

  • @williamnoel5092
    @williamnoel50923 ай бұрын

    God blessed you in a mighty way by not letting you injure your hand. I pray you will not make that mistake ever again.

  • @davidcovey4879
    @davidcovey48793 ай бұрын

    It can be horizontal as long as the on position isn't down.

  • @amazingchristmaslights
    @amazingchristmaslights3 ай бұрын

    Looks good. Wondering how much room you have in the right side of your main panel. Could you run your new lines from the 70A disconnect back down through the same nipple or punch out another knockout in both boxes and then drop the lines down the right side of your main panel and then over to your battery trough? That would eliminate the diagonal liquidtite on the wall.

  • @kaydog2008
    @kaydog20083 ай бұрын

    Jesse there's a couple of YT channels who've bought at action used U.S. Army field diesel generator boxes for the worst senario. Which got me thinking to find one myself.

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    yea a diesel generator is a really good idea. you can store diesel forever and you can use homemade biodiesel too.

  • @jeepindave5464

    @jeepindave5464

    3 ай бұрын

    Calm down Waldo 😂

  • @kaydog2008

    @kaydog2008

    3 ай бұрын

    @@jeepindave5464 Right Waldo's World is one of the YT channels.

  • @esiebert7625

    @esiebert7625

    3 ай бұрын

    Where’s waldo 😂

  • @chrislewis2262
    @chrislewis22623 ай бұрын

    It a good idea to run it that way but that wiring is giving my OCD a stroke. I do a lot with electronics/computers and wire/cableing neatness to me is top priority.

  • @jasperthomas8048
    @jasperthomas80482 ай бұрын

    I really did not want to do a critical loads panel. It seems like a lot of needless work. Your tap that takes grid to the disconnect breaker and then to the inverter grid connection (using a generator interlock on the main panel) is exactly what I was thinking. I just did not know if it would pass code. Since you are doing it, I assume it does. I am probably going to use two inverters and this same setup will work fine. I will use a combiner breaker box to bring the two inverter leads back to the main panel so will just need two disconnect/combiner boxes with enough spaces for the breakers. Thanks!

  • @JonOffgrid
    @JonOffgrid3 ай бұрын

    👍👍👍

  • @unijabnx2000
    @unijabnx20003 ай бұрын

    Anyone else lose audio around 22:23?

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    sometimes when I render in media encoder, it does this. I try to check it after I render, but by that time; I reviewed the video like 4 times and get so bored of watching it lol

  • @networkcrasher
    @networkcrasher3 ай бұрын

    I remember reading that you don't really need antioxidant anymore on al cables but it's a belt and suspenders if you do. what's your opinion on it?

  • @drakos4754
    @drakos47543 ай бұрын

    Nice work , big thumbs up

  • @Jeremy-de2of
    @Jeremy-de2of3 ай бұрын

    That’s awesome your really good at what you do that’s cool your into a lot of trades I new u said once b4 u was a master electrician n a video pretty cool

  • @fast67falcon
    @fast67falcon3 ай бұрын

    So if you had your solar panels feeding your house during the day, would the grid going down even be noticeable? Would your solar arrayjust keep on trucking while the grid was down during the daylight? Great Video by the way!!!

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    yes, I wouldnt even know about it

  • @OriginalJetForMe
    @OriginalJetForMeАй бұрын

    I think I missed something, in that I don’t understand what you were trying to accomplish, or what the problem was that you were trying to solve. Could you not just run your feeder from the meter into the grid input of the EG4? Then the load side into the main breaker on your panel. At first I thought it was because you were waiting for your interconnect agreement, but now it seems you’ve done this anyway, just with a 70 A tap? I guess it’s not clear to me where the 70 A line is going on the EG4. I’m struggling with how to add an EG4 because I have a combo meter panel. I think I’m going to have to move the mast and get a new meter socket installed. But it’s a pain because the panel is set into an exterior wall.

  • @AdelinoGambiarras
    @AdelinoGambiarras3 ай бұрын

    That's even better way and you save 800 buck's on the transfer switch.

  • @robertpeters9438
    @robertpeters943823 күн бұрын

    But there is a timeout required for most new AC compressors to avoid running backward. I managed to stop mine after a power glitch before it burned up from reverse inadequate lubrication.

  • @coreyg3228
    @coreyg322813 күн бұрын

    Would there be any issue with doing this on the exterior main panel of a house? I don't have a subpanel and my main panel is a combo combining the meter/breakers. I figure I can tap in above the 200amp main panel breaker and wire up an external 100amp disconnect/circuit breaker but otherwise just follow your same instructions. I checked and it does have wires as opposed to bus bars. Or is this only allowed because it's a subpanel?

  • @michaelfraser5723
    @michaelfraser57233 ай бұрын

    Flash power cuts are the order of the day in the 'UK' atm, so you never really know where you are with the grid, and they NEVER explain why.They might offer some vague excuse in the weather channels, but rarely are they localised.

  • @evilborg
    @evilborg3 ай бұрын

    I know in my state(WA) you can mount sideways

  • @Ohio-Ken
    @Ohio-Ken3 ай бұрын

    probably a stupid question but when you lose power aren't you back feeding to your grid when you are on back up power the way you have it at the end

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    no, that grid connection shuts off instantly when it doesnt detect incoming grid power. That is how any grid tied inverter works as well

  • @2chipped

    @2chipped

    3 ай бұрын

    I was in the same place as Ohio-Ken ,thanks for that explanation . It appeared to be an endless albeit less amperage continuous loop. Could the software/switch of the grid detection ,fail/ short and back-feed into the grid. Is it a coil that needs to be excited (like a rectifier ) on an alternator? The failure of that mechanism could result in a very serious lawsuit. Am simply trying to understand the built-in failsafe.

  • @jmuller86

    @jmuller86

    3 ай бұрын

    @@2chipped I am not sure exactly how it works, but it goes through some pretty serious tests to be approved for it. And all grid tied inverters work the same way, so every solar installation you see on somebodys house or property is using the same method to stop outgoing power if it does not detect incoming power

  • @Ohio-Ken

    @Ohio-Ken

    3 ай бұрын

    @@jmuller86 Thanks for the info enjoy your videos Hope you and your family are doing well. Thanks again.

  • @lustfulvengance

    @lustfulvengance

    3 ай бұрын

    It's probably a constant duty cycle contactor that fails open, that is it needs power to tie into the grid. I suppose there are edge cases where it could fail and back feed the grid but it probably also has other failsafes.

  • @beeroy26
    @beeroy26Ай бұрын

    So the only negative I see in this setup with the way my electric is configured, I dont have a disconnect upstream of the main panel where the tap is. Would need to get my meter pulled to set this up but if the 70amp breaker were to ever fail. I'd have to schedule the utility company to come back out just to swap out breaker 😑

  • @2muchtime26
    @2muchtime26Ай бұрын

    I believe you are the exact guy I need to ask this question to. I have just recently bought 2 inverters and 4 lifepo4 batteries to be off grid during peak hours and my inverters have an automatic transfer switch built in. I have a 200amp main panel in the house and a 125a sub panel in the garage. I plan on installing my equipment in the garage but I want to be able to use the auto transfer function and program to use battery backup at certain times. How can I safely make this work from the garage automatically? Do I need to run tapped lines from the house?

  • @christopherbarton7625
    @christopherbarton7625Ай бұрын

    Love the video and all the haters you can’t do That!!! Yet no one has referenced any codes. I have no idea but I love the keyboard warriors. Any update on still running everything through the back feed breaker?

  • @ttjaco
    @ttjaco3 ай бұрын

    In South Africa the average houses Db board normally is limited to 60 amps or 45 amos, u guys have talking about 200 amps, or 70 amps

  • @user-te9sb6xj9v
    @user-te9sb6xj9v3 ай бұрын

    the linemen will always ground his work... before working on anything...

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