You and Mylar are the eurorack saint saviors that will save us from modular ignorance and will bless us to perpetual spending and bankruptcy. Jokes aside, thank you so much for your hardwork. We'd be lost without you.

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

"modular ignorance" I need to use that somewhere haha. Thanks for the nice comment, it's very much appreciated.

@fablesofsilence

4 жыл бұрын

Even, worse, we would have to read manuals! 😜

@GuitarsAndSynths

3 жыл бұрын

@@DivKid and you'd be amazed at how few people can explain what a VCA is let alone how to use one!

@GuitarsAndSynths

3 жыл бұрын

@@fablesofsilence I actually love to read manuals must be the inner geek in me hehe

@fablesofsilence

3 жыл бұрын

@@GuitarsAndSynths I have written a couple over my professional life… but not for modules ;-)

I didn't realize how deep this thing was until I saw you utilizing all the functions. Great tutorial on it.

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

nice one thanks.

This is the shit. Thank you for this. I'm so late to the game on modular and this unit. I feel like all I need is Pams, a few basic oscillators, a week recording and tweaking in isolation, and I'm good to go.

@DivKid

Ай бұрын

thank you, enjoy Pam's!

Astonishing. I'm astonished. Some of the musical things I've dreamed of doing might now be possible, without shelling out five gand on other modules. Go ALM indeed!

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

Absolutely Matthew does good work.

So this is why everyone is getting them, loads of features and they're all high quality and well thought about

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

absolutely.

pam has been one of the most versatile modules i could've ever bought. people say everyone needs a disting in their rack, i say everyone needs a PNW in their rack.

@bobthesalesclerk

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree with the disting and say everyone needs an Ornament and Crime with Hemispheres in their rack lol

@AsselParty

Жыл бұрын

@@bobthesalesclerk I heard everyone needs Math in their racks, but naw… got PNW, uO_c and Disting - but tbh these three are kind of similar in terms of UI and the huge range of possibilities :)

Ben your accent is the best. I love listening to your demonstrations because not only is your evident expertise valuable, but also you delivery is such a delight.

@DivKid

Жыл бұрын

it's rare anyone says that! Thank you, really appreciate the comment. Hopefully there's a lot to get out of the videos and I just try to keep my accent out of the way.

Wow! Fantastic module and great, comprehensive video Ben, much appreciated!!

yay been looking forward to this review. thank you as always

What a great video! Thank you for this!

What a great tutorial! Thank you very much for such goooooood explanations! Top notch! 🙏🏻

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

cheers

The build quality on this module is top notch... great addition to any rig

A superb in depth exploration of Pamela, the queen of clocks-function modules. When I first discovered Pamela, I made it a priority choice for my system, this video amplifies those early impressions. Even if you don't own Pamela, the wide breath of info DivKid covers here it's great stuff you can use with any modular rig.

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

Nice one Carlos, that's the goal!

Fantastic overview and examples. Thank you!

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

great thanks for the comment.

Thank you for this!!

I was fascinated by this video, really helpful. Awesome, thank you.🙏👌

Amazing new update in Pam's I got lucky with some new build options and freed up a tiny bit of space on the Pam firmware image builds :hyper: . This meant I could finally fix some long standing weird bugs and add a couple of new features. I've made an initial 202 BETA release available with this work. The first new feature is a basic quantiser option on each channel with a few fixed scales to choose from. Please keep in mind Pams outputs are 10bits so don't expect this to be super precise but isn't too bad as limited to 5 octaves anyway. I don't plan on adding hundreds of exotic scales, microtonal stuff etc.. if you want that Id advise you grab a dedicated quantiser. Im limited by available space and actually reasonably representing in two characters.. Current scales are; "NO" - no quantisation "MJ" - Major "nM" - Natural minor "hM" - Harmonic minor "P+" - Pent Major "P-" - Pent Minor "LD" - Lydian "JP" - 'Japanese' "5t" - root & a fifth "c1" - I chord "c4" - IV chord "c5" - V chord "12" - 12 tones, chromatic. The chord ones Im playing with for making simple appegios etc. Lemme know how these and other scales work for you. The other new feature is simply a new RUN input assignable triggered option to make a bank load addressable by voltage level (in CV1). Its currently limited to the first 16 banks. These are the bugs that have been fixed (from changelog); - Fix PPQN screen always changing val when made active. - Fix CV reset of random seed (when loop is at 0). - Fix wierd CVx modifiers always getting assigned when param clicked after assigning one! - Make full reset actually reset mute states. Note Im still pretty space constrained and though I do have a little space left I would rather save this for fixing future potential issues rather than any additional new features. At least in immediate future. Top One ALM x

@chrisarndt8251

4 жыл бұрын

Wow

@GuitarsAndSynths

3 жыл бұрын

mine came recently and loving the quantizer features so useful as well as new updates and random wave modes.

@WJL91

3 жыл бұрын

Really cool, thanks for this. Can you choose the key of the scale or is it fixed in C for example & thus your comment about quantiser?

you truly are a master of modular, I have been learning loads off your videos

Hey, just watching this again for reference. I just have to say thank you for the time codes, it's a really nice touch.

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah I should do that more.

Ben, you're the man! Awesome tutorial, brilliant production! Just purchased Pam's and will come back to this video... often! cheers!

fantastic work! thanks, as usual, for digging into the advanced features like CV control and explaining them clearly.

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

great thanks Dan.

This is brilliant. The true manual for this module. Thank you!

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

Nice one Stewart, definitely set out for some sort of module manual library / patch idea service with the channel.

To me this module is excruciating, the antithesis of why i went into modular. Focussing all the time on this tiny display and single knob, diving through arrays of virtual functions. Of course hats off to the makers of such a powerful module ... and to those who can wield it.

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

I can appreciate that Stephan. Definitely not for everyone. I personally like to mix modules like this with analogue and digital sound options and a mix of small format like PICO modules or sub 6HP stuff alongside bigger my finger friendly Qu-Bit style designs.

Thank you for the brilliant demo/tutorial.

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

thanks Matt.

I finally got to order mine yesterday now I'm sitting here all anxious waiting for it! Thanks as always for your informative videos. I watch your videos so much I feel like when I order a module I already know how to use it when it gets here.

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

That's great to hear, thanks.

@mod.3x

3 жыл бұрын

Hope you're having fun with it :) One of my first modules and instantly a favorite! Not to mention the current updates.. It just keeps getting better

YESHHHHHHHH. thank you! i love this module, this sheds light on some features i was NOT exploiting correctly.

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

nice one, glad to hear that.

this module is a work of art

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

certainly adds a massive amount to a system.

such a versatile, extensive module and a great tutorial, thanks for the help.

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Feel free to ask any questions.

woooohooo, 40 minutes. awesome. I love this module. I bet I haven't even touched the surface of it yet.

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

long video but I put a series of timing links for those wanting to skip through too.

I didn't realize how stuck I was in how I was using PNWO until I watched this video. Thanks for the hard work!

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

No worries thanks Robert.

Excellent. You did a outstanding job of explaining each of the functions. I love my PNW and look forward to trying out all of these functions now.

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

nice one thanks David.

Amazing!!

love that first house patch you did here..

@DivKid

Жыл бұрын

nice one thanks

@DrVimto

Жыл бұрын

@@DivKid has that oldskool earlier groove about it.. what modules did you use with it ?

@DivKid

Жыл бұрын

Are we talking about the one with the Elektron Analog 4? Or one with the acid line?

@DrVimto

Жыл бұрын

@@DivKid coming out of pamelas new workout. 0.10secs in sound on the video

@DrVimto

Жыл бұрын

@@DivKid i didnt hear no acid line.. was literally a few seconds of house style sound. 0:10 in i beleive.

great video, well thought out. You convinced me that this module would work great in my own setup

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

it's fantastic, I'm using loads since it entered the case.

great video, love this module

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

Great walkthrough! I’m sold

@DivKid

Жыл бұрын

Check out the new PRO version, it might have some things you'd like. Though if you don't think you need the new features the PRO offers you might find a great deal on a NEW model second hand.

Great overview as usual. Can't wait to try mine :)

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

cheers

Bought the original Pam's when it came out. Was a nice module for beats and clocking, but ultimately got rid of it because it wasn't getting enough love. THIS, hell, what an update! I mean, 8 LFO's alone is worth the price of admission, PLUS all the other great features. WOW!!!

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

yeah massive update.

Amazing overview! Thanks. Now to plug my Pam's in and get sculpting!

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

Have fun Scott and cheers for the comment.

Happy to see Stepper acid right there! Thanks for your videos

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

Nice one Eddit, cheers!

Just picked up a Pamela today from London Modular -- great timing!! Excited to get stuck in, thanks for this Ben!

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

cheers!

@NutritionalZero

7 жыл бұрын

How are you liking it? I'm in Canada but had to get mine from CTRL in Brooklyn. Ultimately their service is excellent so it's worth paying the exchange rate sometimes for us in Canada to get a module immediately upon release.

@WhiteNoises

7 жыл бұрын

Loving it so far, finding it's transforming my patches quite a lot (not had a master clock before). The random source generator is really useful to have too, and really impressed with the 8 outputs given how small it is. And yay Canada! I spend a lot of time in the Ottawa region, wonderful place.

Thanks for a brilliant walk-through of this module. You may have done too good a job outa it though, since I had no idea that I needed one before watching, and now I've ordered one! ;-)

This demo was the nail in the coffin. Got P’sNE on its way! I’m excited to see how it compliments

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

cool enjoy it.

Just got Pam's This video is a must, next to the manual, so, thanks again Ben :-)

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

nice one Andy, cheers for the comment as always.

So helpful. Great video. I’m an old timer whose is completely new to modular world.

Damn this is great! Thanks dude

Perfect timing - got a PNW this week and getting to grips with it. This is an awesome helper!

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

nice one.

Great demo!

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

Cheers Scott.

Very informative Ben. Thanks :-)

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

Cheers Andy.

another ace overview. must be getting one of these. seems a no-brainer for smaller set-ups especially.

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

No brainer any sized set up for me.

Thanks for the video! I was trying to choose between this and the octocontroller and Batumi. I went for this because of price and I might still get a Batumi one day. But this video really helped me choose.

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

Happy to helping

Nice one, can't wait to digest all this

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

cheers Jase!

This module seems absolutely killer. I think it'll be the next one I pick up. Great demo man, very comprehensive and the audio demos were fun too!

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

cheers

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

you won't go wrong with it. Loads of modulation and control.

So over a year and a bit after you posted this, I come to your channel to check out Pamela's New Workout as I potentially want to put into a new live rig. I knew little about it expect that I wanted one device to handle most of my clock signals etc... Your overview of this is perfect. I now know this is exactly what I've been looking for :) Cheers Ben! Hope to catch you on a Sonicstate talk soon.

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

cheers

thanks, great video! I realized there have since been some added features (Quant and Logic) that you can get with a firmware update. I just did mine.

Why do I not have this, what an awesome little module.

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

:)

thank you

THANKKKKS❤️❤️❤️

Thanks you made me buy this thing haha

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

it's a useful unit.

You are amazing!

@DivKid

3 жыл бұрын

why thank you Marcus.

If you love menu diving, you’ll love this module.

@DivKid

Жыл бұрын

Clearly thousands of people don't find it to be an issue. It's always a balance with an interface for something multi channel and with this much opportunity. I'm glad I don't need 90HP of controls to select through every option 8 times over for all the outputs. But it's absolutely fine if you do want knob per function, it's modular so luckily we can make the systems to suit ourselves.

Seriously considering breaking my 'no menu' rule for this one. Great vid as usual.

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

well worth it for a huge hub of modulation.

@Elfaki19

2 жыл бұрын

same here

Encyclopaedic as always... such a useful reference Ben! Especially now that the PRO model is out, there's a bunch of us folk with less cash who are diving onto eBay to get a "new" Pam's now they're being sold off ;-)

@DivKid

Жыл бұрын

Hi Chris, I imagine the price of the second hand NEW workouts is dropping as there's so many of them. Plus the PRO is largely the same in how it works so I hope people still use the video as a reference for much of it.

Great video as always! I feel this one is going to replace my tempi, that module could do so much more with better firmware..

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

I don't have a tempi to comment.

Thank you so much for the detailed explanation. I was looking on this one several times before but couldn't grasp what the fuss is all about, until now. The only thing I'm worried about is that there's too much menu diving...

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

I don't equate menu diving to this at all. It's all a simple click or hold away. Yes it's a menu, but not a "divey" one if that makes sense.

@TomGurion

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, you are probably right. My skiff is aiming to be very much performance oriented, but the amount of features per hp added the PNW to the my wishlist :-)

I know this is an old video and all, but... My PNWO is on order and arrives in the next week or so, along with Intellijel scales, plus MI Ears and Kinks (My vendor had a sale on old demo/b-stock gear, and I got a good discount.) Proper clocking has been lacking in my system (Marbles random clock or just a grid-stuck bsp was all I had until this.) Being able to shift things around and add movement is gonna be so nice. PNWO will run the drums in Bitbox2, plus whatever else feels necessary, so I can leave Marbles/Frames firmware hack for Plaits and 0-Coast. A PEXP-1 will let me run my Novation Nova / Drumbrute Impact / Microfreak via midi... So many options. Thanks for the help, as always.

This is one of my favorite modules. Then again so is pretty much my whole 270hp case.... Lol

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

haha fair enough

Really top review ! Now I'm hesitating to sell my varigate 4 to buy this Pam !

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

Ahhhh decisions decisions

@Yunsnare

6 жыл бұрын

DivKidVideo do you think that it makes sense ? It would be so much powerful in my sense !

This is an amazing video (just like all your others) and definitely has convinced me that I need Pamela in my life. Question though: can you please explain Euclidean steps for me? Googling it revealed a lot of advanced mathematics that went right over my head.

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

Check this site out - www.groovemechanics.com/euclid/ - it's an online Euclidean sequencer so you can play and figure it out. The basics are you set a step length. Say 16 steps, think of that as 16th notes in a bar. So you set how many steps will be active, say 5 and it tries it's best to evenly distribute 5 steps within the step length (we said 16). Of course 5 doesn't go into 16 so you get a more rhythmic pattern as opposed to a straight division of the beat/clock/tempo. There's often then a rotation control which will let you grab the pattern and shift around the available steps. Have a play with the site and I think it will help.

@homeslice1479

6 жыл бұрын

Between that and the Voltage Control Lab video I think I've got it! Thanks a lot!

I hope they release Pamela's Gym with a larger screen , more knobs, include the expanders and more real estate

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

I haven't asked or heard anything but I doubt that'll happen. People love that it's all in 8HP. What I like to do is mix several options for "multi modulation" etc to create something that works as a more performative controllable option.

@indiefilmcomposer

6 жыл бұрын

DivKidVideo thx for the comment it's a great module interesting trend as modules more and more have menus and diving, I am coming from the DAW world and Dave Smith synths , just getting into modular ....for ambient organic textures and probability mainly

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

probability based triggering and then letting that affect tonal parameters is a beautiful thing. Very much why I'm using modular so much as well.

I picked this up right after it came out....But, thanks to this video I'm going to use some features that were there but unexploited by me until this clear explanation appeared.

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

great to hear thanks

24:00 Pamela's got the funk!

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

she's got it going on.

Amazing overview! I know how to use the width as as a release function for the envelope, but is there an easy way to adjust the attack and use it as a simple AD envelope?

@DivKid

3 жыл бұрын

it's decay envelopes only. Which is a nice bonus as it's not an envelope generator. Maybe there's a feature request for that to be a bonus thing in the firmware in the future.

@Philbronch

3 жыл бұрын

@@DivKid Appreciate the response. I felt like a crazy person looking for the attack parameter!

Much appreciated overview. Is the maximum 16 for the ESteps parameter?

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

nice one, it does 32 steps.

Good luck trying to actually buy this module.

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

Ask you local stores to get hold of some to encourage stock turning up.

HI thanks for the in depth video, what percussion modules are you using, cheers. C

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

can't remember to be honest in terms of that specific patch but it will have been any of the following. SSF Entity, Mutable Braids, Mutant Snare, Mutant Clap, Mutant Hats, Basimilus Iteritas, Moffenzeef Modular GMO.

@mixolydian2010

7 жыл бұрын

Cool thanks for the help what a mixture, its certainly great fun with drums, take it easy! Colin

great video, as always. could you tell us a little bit about the modules you were using ? drums ?

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

Drums will have been any mix of the following (below). I've been making exclusive patch breakdown videos for my Patreon supporters if that's something of interest for you. Not avoiding the answer (I don't have a video to check this back specifically) I'll always respond but where people want to see how all the patches are made, approaches, sound sources, mixing, FX, modulation etc outside of what's in focus for the video my Patreon supporters get extra videos doing that. patreon.com/divkid SSF Entity, Mutable Braids, Mutant Snare, Mutant Clap, Mutant Hats, Basimilus Iteritas, Moffenzeef Modular GMO.

random question but I'm looking into getting a PNW and splitting clock signals/rests between itself, a nerdseq, octatrack, and a rene 2. Do you think something like a buffered multiple would be necessary for a situation like this or in general with sending clock sources to various destinations to keep the voltage levels steady thus keeping the clock rate steady?

I'm expecting one of these in the mail today, so the timing couldn't be better! Thanks for making such an in-depth video; there are features you showed that I never would have figured out from the manual alone.

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

good to hear thanks for the comment.

I already knew I needed a Pamela in my rig, but I didn't know I needed it right now! Good video, man.

@BiGreDNoSecoMpAny

7 жыл бұрын

Yes! It was already quite far up on the list, but this video just pushed it enormously..

@DivKid

7 жыл бұрын

cheers!

... and now it pitch quantizes!

Does the the LFO go into audio rate? Can I use it as an oscillator?

I could see myself needing more than 2 CV inputs. They need to make an expander module with more!!

Sorry, can i use pam with the volca fm? Also with keys...

I'm guessing, in the melodies part of this video, the quantizer is on on Braids?

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

That or it's going out to the ADDAC 207 then into Braids.

Nice clock ! Ben will that Din out be able to sync my Tb 303 ? sync 24 ?

Can Pamela still send clock via its MIDI expander, when receiveg external clock?

in envelope mode, can you use it as a one-off trigger, or does it have to loop to tempo? and is it just an AR envelope, or is there any more complex control? I'm building a small skiff, and am wondering if I need separate adsr modules in addition to this, or if I can use this for that too

hey there, just got this module, and I'm completely new to modular. I have a Pico Drums, and I have the cv input configured to control the decay on the drum sample 1 (ex. output 1 triggering the sample, output 2 going to the cv input of the Pico Drums controlling the decay of that sample). The sample is a hat sound, and when the decay is long, it sounds like a cymbal ride. I have the hat triggering several times per bar of the total pattern with other drum modules. What I want to accomplish is to have the decay be completely open on the first hat trigger (the downbeat) and then close the decay on the successive triggers of the hat in the pattern/bar. Is this possible with PNW? I tried to do this with the envelope going to the cv in and it creates a rhythmic thing with the decay but I can't figure out what its doing. I don't know if its retriggering the envelope on every sample trigger. I know I can probably get this to work using the divisors on the modifier, but I'm not quite sure how yet. Great vid btw, the manual doesn't really say much about the envelope, but it's clear here how it's working.

Thanks for the video. Do you know if on Pamela's NEW Workout it's possible to go from one bpm setting DIRECTLY to a different bpm, avoiding a gradual speeding up/slowing down? (120BPM > 130BPM, instead of 120BPM > 121BPM > 122BPM > … > 130BPM)

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

you could look into CV inputs. You might be able CV tempo.

Got 12hp left in an 6u 84hp case. Got the voltage block and not so many lfos. Thinking either this or the varigate 4+. Decisions...

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

Hmmmmm tough choices, but if it's LFOs then this. Voltage Block with the slew/smooth option turned on can create LFO like motions though.

@motoboy6666

5 жыл бұрын

Whatched this demo again, and the Pam is the module. So versitile. Thanks!

hi there at 13:35 re you patching direct from output 3 back into cv 1...im trying to do this but can't seem to access the special menu with cv attenuation and visible volt meter...am I missing something? cheer rob

Does it have a sequencer built into the module or just a fancy clock?

Im sending midi into the Yarns, with a sequence coming from the MPC to lets say at 130.. how could i also trigger the clock/run at the same time and be in sync ? any ideas ? cheers

@MorbidManoeuvres

3 жыл бұрын

On the PNW that is*

What Eurorack module is that cool oscilloscope graph video screen you have next to Pamela's workout?

@DivKid

6 жыл бұрын

Mordax DATA, I did a video on it for Future Music magazine here - kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWZ8q9WrhKXdpJc.html

ben help me....i got a beatstep pro...how do i get them to be friends w/ pam as the master?!?! exp 1 or exp 2 ?? and how?? thank you for everything

Do you have to select din/midi in the menu?

Thx for your video. Is it possible to use Pamela's NEW Workout to trigger Drums on a Setup for live performance? How do you mute the trigger signals going out of Pamela's into the Drums?

@DivKid

Жыл бұрын

Hi Daniel, personally I'd put a DivKid Mutes module (sorry I'm bias, but that tool was made to do that with the gates/trigs or the audio if you wish) between Pams and the drums. Or after the drums sometimes. Not sure if there's a mute function in Pams now but there's no performance based control to do it across multiple outputs.

@korberd

Жыл бұрын

@@DivKid thank you for your answer. I tried with an old Doepfer A-138i. It works well but it is important to keep the triggers very short (width 1% or so). Later I am going to get 2x DivKid Mutes - those require less space (: Thank you for the reviews. I learn a lot (:

@DivKid

Жыл бұрын

thanks Daniel appreciate that!

Would be nice if you could control more than just the release of the envelopes...

Is it possible to slave PNW to an irregular clock? Like a pattern from a gate sequencer for example? Would this be doable by patching the gate sequencer into the run input and leaving the clock input empty perhaps..?

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

anything that multiplies a tempo is trying to learn and internalise it. So it's not going to work that well. Dividers you can work with irregularly but multiplying something means learning the clock. I mean you can try it and get things that warp around but I don't know what you're wanting in terms of results. Why not use PNW to get the irregular stuff? What do you want to achieve?

@dairylandbogurt

5 жыл бұрын

@@DivKid Ah ok, that makes some sense to me. Thanks Ben :) you're always so helpful. And well I'm planning on building a tiny sampling system based around the Phonogene and Radio Music, with the PNW for clocking/modulation. I thought it would be cool if I could set up something within that system, and then sequence PNW externally for further playability. As that's my one gripe with PNW, as great as it is it's not the most playable/tweakable thing in the world. (Though come to think of it the cv inputs and the reset input could be well enough anyways!)

@DivKid

5 жыл бұрын

you can look at it the other way and use the PNW to influence everything else. Even patching one of it's outputs back to itself can work well too.

@dairylandbogurt

5 жыл бұрын

@@DivKid I ended up going with the Wogglebug instead as I've already got everything else more practical in my main rack :)