I picked up a couple of buck saws at an antique sale. Now I will reconditioned them . Now the fun begins..

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

Nice mike! sounds like fun to me!

Very nice video. Thank you. :) What I was searching for was how to sharpen and set bowsaws, but I have the modern metal ones. I really like your wooden ones. I am off-grid (not modernized with solar-powered conveniences) and am intrigued with human-powered tools. The problem is I don’t know how to use them all or get them in working order. I have a treadle leather sewing machine that I’ve never used, lots of bowsaws and a crosscut saw (similar to the one in the background on this video), treadle sewing machines, a little treadle jigsaw, a pedal grinding wheel (that was my great uncle’s), treadle lathe made by my son and a friend, etc. For building I mostly use a sharp tooth saw. They stay sharp for years and no setting is necessary. I enjoyed learning more about the real things and will look for more from you. I used to watch the Hand Tool School years ago. I forget the man’s name right now. Good stuff.

let's dive in 👀

Your explanation on the two saws reminds me of what is the difference between mineral spirits and paint thinner. Mineral spirits has paint thinner in it, but paint thinner has no mineral spirits.

Great overview, thanks for sharing this. FYI the continental style saws can be bought new at fine-tools (E.C.E. brand) and dictum (house brand) in Germany. They carry different lengths and blade styles including Japanese blades if that's your cupp'a'tea. Also they go for a few bucks on the used market as people keep finding these in their grandparent's basement.

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

nice. thanks for the info!

Hello James, Thanks for the awesome video. I have watched most if not all of your video's. I have returned to the basics and the Old school roots of using hand tools for all my wood working needs as much as possible. I am following your example and making many if not most of my own tools where possible. I find a level of satisfaction in making and then using the tools that I have made that you cannot get by just simply ordering them online or buying them in a store. Anyhow, Thanks again. I will be adding all the saws that you showed and use in your shop as well. Keep up the great work.

i just discovered an antique buck saw like the one you showed. it was from my wife's family farm. i want to make it usable, beats using a skillsaw for breaking down long planks in my small shop! needs a good sharpening first though

Well made video. Very interesting. Thank You.

Thank you for the reminder I need to finish my bow saw. I do plan some carving. I like the added look

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

nice. looking forward to seeing it!

I love learning about tools, even those I can’t physically use. A great video James, you taught me heck of a lot in this video. Thank you.

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

thanks Mark that means a lot!

Great video. Thank you.

Good day sir ! As usual ... splendide explanations and high quality !

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks. My pleasure.

Thank you for this!

Interesting, thanks. I just picked up an antique turning saw here in New Zealand, it had no blade. I was looking for a wooden tensioning bow saw for my outdoor adventure videos and thought I could biff the handles and cut slots for a new blade but now after seeing yours in action, I am thinking that might be a crime and so will sadly keep looking, find a turning blade and sell this one off.

I LEARN MORE IN THIS VIDEO ABOUT SAWS....GREAT VIDEO ..., THANKS FOR SHARE

@WoodByWright

4 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help!

I love my buck saw. Lots of fun.

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

So true. it is a joy to let fly!

I love to have one

Great stuff, as usual; ALWAYS learn something...cheers...rr Normandy, Fra

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

thanks Richard!

Excellent! Good descriptions , comparing and contrasting the bow and frames saws This with the visuals helps communicate clearly. Only, slow down your vocals, relax, you're doing very well! Thank you

Thanks for the very informative episode! I've been pretty confused about how people who alternately call the same item a frame or bow saw.

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

thanks Gerry. my pleasure

Boa noite Mestre. Muito boa as explicações sobre as Serras, obrigado por compartilhar os teus conhecimentos !!!

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

Obrigado! O prazer é meu!

Thanks for sharing that

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

my pleasure!

Yep Santa is going to need a bigger sleigh!

I've been framed squared. Lol. Love it. Coming from a math lover. Hehehehhe

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

LOL glad someone got it!

@lilvurnivester1690

5 жыл бұрын

Late Night Woodworker )j; ')

Enough information for 12 separate videos.

Nice demonstration! There where saws i didn't know they existed. Where do you find al these beauty's?

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

thanks. some I made some I got at antique stores. Some i got a tool sales. Handtoolfinder.com is a list of all the sources I know of to get tools.

@christofix

5 жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWright Thanks for that advice man!

Thanks James. Great video as always. I know this is an older one. But I am looking to resaw some walnut and I think the frame saw is the best solution for how much I have to do. My question is sharpening. If I buy a blade and make a frame saw is it something that I can resharpen of are they like the copeing saws and you just replace them?

@WoodByWright

2 жыл бұрын

They are relatively easy to sharpen. It's basically just a really big rip saw so you do the exact same way you would any other rips on just with a bigger file.

So if you make the turn saw you must leave the handles slightly loose in the frame?

@WoodByWright

Жыл бұрын

no they are kept very tight. you have to put a good bit of force on the handles to make then turn. that way they to not turn from the force of sawing.

So where do you get your information? Even with the Internet, I often struggle when researching the how's and why's of tools. Thanks for explaining the differences between these different saws. The names get interchanged so often it gets confusing.

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

so true. especially with saw names everyone mixes them up. most of the information comes from spending a few years rubbing shoulders with the old timers in the trade. and not being afraid to ask questions!

Can you use these with the blade in either direction so you could have a pull style or a push saw. Without having ever used one it appears that with a pull configuration the blade is subjected to additional tension from the pull action which would help keep the blade from bowing. When you are pushing on the blade even though it may be in tension from the string as you push on the blade and it encounters resistance in the wood it seems there would be a tendency to de-tension slightly on the end of the blade closest to the point where force is applied (your hand), leaving the front part of the blade which has exited the cut in tension and the back portion in compression.

@WoodByWright

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. They can push or pull. A lot of the saws are actually designed with a handle on both sides. If the blade is in proper tension it will have far more attention pulling the opposite direction then you will ever impart on it when moving it through the work.

I have a metal newer bow saw.When replacing blade do I measure blade length itself or from hole to hole.Then one I have blade measures just short of 21 in....can they stretch from 20 to short of 21?

@WoodByWright

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately it depends on the maker. Generally I measure from hole to hole, but the blade maker should list it.

How big can a turning saw be? Are there issues when they become larger? I was wondering if a turning saw could be used for doing cuts in larger sculptural pieces that might be too big for my bandsaw? I think I saw an old picture of an early 20th century sculptor with a large turning saw in his studio and have wondered about it since. Thanks for your video!

@WoodByWright

3 жыл бұрын

You can make it as long as you want. Just the longer it gets the harder it is to control. But the rule of thumb is 3 times as long as the work is thick.

As always, your videos are informative and entertaining. As with any preferred saw or tool, it is based on function and need, guided by personal preference. That being said, is there a substantial difference (performance of the saw, accuracy of the saw, technique skills required of the user) between the continental style and the roubo style? In my opinion, the Roubo is a more "elegant" saw, but in my case, I need a saw that helps me through my own personal lack of expertise as I move to more hand tools than power tools.

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

Between those two is a big difference is that you can put a lot more pressure on the rubo style frame saw. That's because you have two beams that you can compress as opposed to just the one. It's a big benefit to that is you can make it a lot longer for larger thicker cuts. So there really isn't a whole lot to compare between those two. The bow saw can be used one-handed but the frame saw cannot be. I wouldn't want to do delicate woodworking with a large frame saw but I could do delicate woodworking with a bow saw.

@jlf1430

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks James.... @@WoodByWright

James, my bow saw string just broke. Do you know what type of string, and where to obtain, I'm having some difficulty!! Thank you!!

@WoodByWright

10 ай бұрын

I usually use nylon cord.

@nelsonwhite6980

10 ай бұрын

@@WoodByWright I tried to find some hemp twine, I think that's original but, having some difficulty still!!

Where do you source the blades for these various saws?

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

the Roubo frame saw came from Blackburn tools. the turning saw is from tools for working wood. and most of the others I have gotten at tool sales and antique stores. i have a page detailing all the places I know of for buying antique tools at HandToolFinder.com. and the two that I built I have links in the discretion bellow.

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@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

Lol thanks Alan

Can blades be made for 12” turning saws. I have been told they can be made out of band saw blades chas

@WoodByWright

3 жыл бұрын

yes they can. here you go. kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4Sqm5KpqdKtgLQ.html

i would like antique finishing styles like fuming please

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

Most of my finishing methods are historically antique but I've never been a big fan of fuming. I might have to do a video on it sometime.

still looking for the european bow saws? either ulmia (or ulmia ott sometimes) and ECE, both german manufacturers, still produce these saws

@lucasbiaggini

3 жыл бұрын

Oddly enough, the Chinese store next to me also sells a made in China bowsaw.

@bighands69

3 жыл бұрын

If you are into wood working it would be a good idea to make your own saws.

Thanks for the video James, learned a couple of things today. I was going to build my own turning saw from Gramercy Tules, but noticed that they are out of stock for their turning sockets. So I have two questions for you… One is can you point me to a couple of other companies that supply the same thing, even if they are in Europe? And two, I want to build a longer turning saw, like 30 inches. Do you know anyone that makes a longer 1/8” blade? Thanks, Wm

@WoodByWright

3 жыл бұрын

I know that Blackburn tool works is supposed to be creating one I'm not sure if they have yet I'll have to go check on that. But I don't know of any other actual turning saw kits. I have a video showing how to make one yourself from an old hacksaw and band saw blade. It has to making a bigger one I'm not quite sure why you would do that. With such a thin blade it would require a crazy amount of tension to keep it tight. And it would not be something you would want to do on anything larger than 4 in thick. But if you wanted a bigger one with that small of a blade you would probably have to make it yourself. You could do that with an old bandsaw blade. Now if you wanted a larger bow saw there are several German companies where you can make continental frame Saw kits. But those are more joinery saws than turning saws. As the blade is usually 1 in tall or more.

@wwspier

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks James for the information, that’s really helpful. I’m not sure yet because I haven’t tried it, but I am trying to finish a 3 to 4 inch thick snake puzzle on Orange Osage. I bought the widest Knew Concepts coping saw, but it wasn’t doing the job, it wasn’t ejecting enough material and was binding up. perhaps the 12 inch saw that I get from Gramercy or Blackburn will be long enough. In the back of my mind I was imagining it wouldn’t, so I will wait and cross that bridge if and when I get to it - if and when I should find that 12“ is also not long enough to eject the sawdust chips.

@robertcornelius3514

2 жыл бұрын

@@wwspier , you may want to try and file down every forth tooth. This may help with the discharge of more sawdust.

I think Highland Woodworking still sells Emmerich Bow saws and they also sell blades

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

I will have to check tha tone out!

@joer5627

5 жыл бұрын

Rick Gatewood : Hi Rick, they do have a frame saw on page 33 of their catalog. It does not mention brand only it is German made. Happened to be on the page when I ran across this. It does look nice.

Is there a blade supplier you can get these blades

@WoodByWright

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. Blackburn tool works makes the big frame saws. Also tools for working wood cells, turning saws and bow saw blades.

Hi James, I'm trying to make a saw to cross cut a large cedar log into cookies, something that I can't feed through the bandsaw I have access to. I'm planning to accordion and suspend these cookies vertically to make a wooden light/lamp...so i have to make them flat and parallel to each other. The log is about 14in thick and about 30in long, and i'll likely do about 12-14 cookies. If I built a large (deep enough) bow saw to get though the thickness of the log, do you think that would be an appropriate use for the bow saw like you showed here?? Many thanks for your guidance!! Thank you, James Lish

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

You can make a frame saw and rotate the blade. But usually the saw for that is a two or one man cross-cut saw.

@puravida4evr

5 жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWright Ok, thank you for the help

@bighands69

3 жыл бұрын

One of the issues that occurs when cutting larger wood such as a tree is that the blade expands with heat generated as does the wood it self. SO the deep you go the more expansion occurs and then the fiction starts to jam the blade and that then causes more heat and so on. And then the space you are cutting in becomes more restrictive. You are going to need to experiment to see what like the feel of.

Do you oil blade after you clean it?

@WoodByWright

3 жыл бұрын

Usually I use a paste wax for lubrication.

Do you have any recommendations, how to source a blade (cut one for a band saw, buy one designed for a frame saw, make your own (how?)) for a DIY frame saw?

@schm4704

5 жыл бұрын

For the turning saw, Gramercy sells a kit and also spare blades, as James says. For the Euro style saw, try finetools.de, they have them for around 8 or 9 bucks. Peck tools sells Ulmia blades (quite expensively, I might say, but it depends on how much shipping would be for you from Fine Tools in Germany).

@schm4704

5 жыл бұрын

PS. If you decide to use a Japanese blade with hardened teeth for the frame saw, it's definitely worth checking out Fine Tools in Germany, since those seem to be almost three times as expensive in the US.

@schm4704

5 жыл бұрын

Another PS. You can file your own blades quite easily if you get the right material. You can get shim stock from 1095 (1.1274) steel that's just the right hardness (50-ish Rockwell C). That steel holds up well as saw blades and is still easy to file.

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

I purchased my frame saw blade from Blackburn tools. You can also get them from bad Axe tools. I purchased the turning saw kit from tools for working wood. but there are several videos on making your own. As it's fairly easy to file springsteel to whatever shape you want.

Resawing wood is the bane of my existence. No saw will change that. Kerfing the board seems to be the only way I can saw straight when resawing. Bah.

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

it is one of the most difficult skills out there.

@kanejaywolf94

4 жыл бұрын

I know your pain, for I have felt it too.

I'm no expert but I've heard that if you put a frame saw in a pull direction so they pull themselves into more tension making the cut easeir

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

That's the theory but in practice there is no functional difference. Your famous stiff it is being pushed and pulled at the same time as the force is being inacted on the blade from both ends.

The saw that you said you're trying to find who sells them looks pretty much identical to one I'm thinking about buying. The brand is "ulmia" and peck tools is who sells it that I'm aware of. I wonder though if you can enlighten me as to the difference though in 2 different styles they sell. They have the standard saw and then a Japanese style one that is a bit more expensive. Do you think the Japanese style would mean the teeth are not able to be sharpened, possibly even hardened, and cut both directions like the Japanese style dove tail saws? Just wondering if it's worth while to spend the extra money on the Japanese style or not. Thanks again for all of the excellent info James!

@WoodByWright

2 жыл бұрын

There Japanese style has a steeper angle of tooth and are very difficulty to sharpen. though if used correctly may give a cleaner cut on some woods.

@virtuosooo

2 жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWright right on. Thanks again for the info James! I really dig the fact that every time I have a woodworking question that I ask KZread, it's always one of your videos that pops up first. It's nice because I can see immediately from my search results that I've got a good trustworthy source!

In continental Asia, the carpenter only use bow saw, the saw for logging is also a bow saw with rope ,not nail. in tradition, european saws also have no nail.

Hi,i looking for (blade)to wright blade saw model 100 ,where i find it

@WoodByWright

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry. I do not know what you are asking. Please send me an email.

@jamaldenalkhwelde7252

4 жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWright please send me your email

@jamaldenalkhwelde7252

4 жыл бұрын

www.google.com/search?q=wright+blade+saw&safe=strict&client=ms-android-samsung&prmd=ivn&sxsrf=ACYBGNSeCwCjwOXvwV7SRrAA1Aw6F_tNGQ:1577390625803&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwia2bD_jdTmAhXDDuwKHak9BD0Q_AUoAXoECA0QAQ&biw=320&bih=452#imgrc=F9YCYOSe7YEdqM

I’ve been framed!

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

Lol yup.

@reforzar

5 жыл бұрын

Wood By Wright I typed that way before the ending.

Comment down below

Hi James, great video as usual, I've heard a few tongue in cheek comments in your live shows about how tall your wife is, if you don't mind saying how tall is she? Regards Steve

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

LOL thanks. she is 4'10" there is a picture in the hive mind about that.

I'd like to see you make a chinese style one. The general purpose ones have the blades set at a 45 for unlimited depth of cut (at the sacrifice of width). I made a big bow saw a while ago using a coarse bandsaw blade, carriage bolts, paracord and poplar but it's pretty rough and doesn't saw so straight. I need more practice with it and will probably have to remake it at some point cause the poplar is a little too weak for the amount of tension the blade needs (has crushing stress on some parts.)

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

there are really similer to the European saws can be a lot of fun to learn different grip angles. I know what you mean. I made a frame saw with poplar too. then i remade it.

🧡💯😎👍👍

I can now cope with my frame saw!

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

Lol nice.

Here is a Link to the company Ulmia www.ulmia.de/ulmia-en/ They are the company of choice when is comes down to traditional wood working in Germany. They also make some of the best wood Planes, not like Stanley where they are out of metal. They are still made out of wood. I use both, it mostly comes down to what your used to. I learned how to set the old wooden planes and to me that is the fastest, and I too don't really get the japanese saws, but for those who like the Japanese here in Germany they also make a saw blade for the bow saw.

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

Nice! thanks.

I imagine it would be a miserable job to be the lower person when milling logs with one of these because of the sawdust. Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know. I'm picturing the master up top with the apprentice below in the pit.

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

the top job was the harder one as you have to pull the saw back up. that will wear you out faster then anything. Most of the dust falls in front of the bottom person.

It would be so cool, at least I think it would be if some smart person (you for example) could make a video sort of laying out the entire history of saw technology. For example who invented the saw and all that. Even if I'm the only one who thinks it would be interesting oh, I think it would be fascinating as hell.

@WoodByWright

2 жыл бұрын

We don't know who made the first saw. But we have examples of them from The early Egyptian period. After that, each culture created their own. There isn't a particular straight line of development.

I see a saw... Where? Over there! 😀

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

LOL thnaks!

Exe and Ulmia wäre the Kompanie wright now

Only Japanese use back saw, we continental asia use bow saw with rope. the English use back saw to cut by push way, and the blade always curve.

Japanese carpenters are quite different from continental. Chinese or Indian carpenters can understand European Craft easily.

I prefer bow saw for logging, bow saw is lighter than frame saw

em，now I know you didn’t know Chinese frame saw

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

I have used them before but do not have one in the shop. very similar to Contenetal saws.

There is no one way to make a saw. As long as the blade is stable and you can hold it you can cut with it. You can make them anyway you desire.

Too bad it is impossible to find an economical (DIY) blade.

@WoodByWright

9 ай бұрын

What do you mean? There are several places for each of them or you can make one from a bandsaw blade

Where can I buy an Uber Douche Jerk saw? XD

@WoodByWright

5 жыл бұрын

I Do not know of any place int he states but I have been told there are a few stores that cary them in Europe.