Hey look, it flies! kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4mX3JOSf7u3lrQ.html I also needed a different propeller, and I added new rings and an exhaust for good measure.

Thank you for posting this series. You've got a good eye and have been able to demonstrate with your varied skill-set that buying the lowest cost paramotor is neither safe nor a "bargain" in the long run. I fly a Maverick and am frequently impressed in its durability while also safer (I believe) than many cheaper options - especially that one.

Very responsible of you to post this mechanical/safety audit. Ty

Having stuff fall off the engine (usually exhaust) is worse than just breaking down, it causes a cascade of issues. More than once ive seen stuff come off and shatter the prop which then throws shards in all directions and its a gamble if its going to shred holes in the wing above. A friends wooden prop exploded and it literally left machine gun hole style little tears all through his wing above which is perfectly aligned directly above the prop. Its nice that many of the proper brand paramotors usually have an added metal redundant strap around exhaust parts just in case they somehow break loose. Saying that ive also seen helmet parts and throttle cables get sucked back through inadequate netting and cause the same issue. Anyway thanks for making the video, its very interesting. :)

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

And for that reason, this exhaust is getting changed out after flight #1 if it goes well.

@Para_Ninja

2 жыл бұрын

@@AveryFlies Its ok, we all get this is an experiment you are doing to show people new to the paramotor world who might not get the issues around trying to go cheap with aviation.. im sure you don't intend to use this as your daily flier. I think what you are doing is great :)

Blue locktite can degrade plastic insert nuts. On another note, from my experience with RC gasoline engines, use Nord Lock washers for your muffler bolts.

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

The current pipes do not allow anything under the bolts, the channel in the muffler is too thin. I have ordered a tuned pipe and will use lock washers on it. Good to know about the loctite, I'll keep an eye on it

So glad you went threw all these bits before you took to the air. Are you hang testing whilst also running engine in before you hit the sky? Now I’m worried about the engine internals too for you. 🧐

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

I will be hang testing today. The engine itself is pretty well respected in RC and paramotor circles, just everything that attaches to it needs work 😂

To me it seems that these exhaust bolts that hold the muffler will come loose sooner or later due to heat expansion deformation of the cylinder and muffler unless you have some way to prevent them to come loose. For inspiration check out the two long muffler bolts and its bolt locking-plate on small Briggs & Stratton lawn-motor engines. Appart from locking the bolts you could also consider to replace the bolts with threaded studs and copper nuts (often used on exhausts) to tighten the muffler. Copper nuts on exhaust flanges tend to stay in place much better then steel ones, and with the studs the threads in the cylinder will also survive much longer.

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

I think you misunderstand how the muffler is attached. The bolt doesn't crush down on the outside of the muffler. There is a tube welded onto the can which let's the bolt drop into the muffler and only apply pressure on the flange of the muffler. No interior strengthening is needed.

@Acamperfull

2 жыл бұрын

@@AveryFlies Yes I saw this when looking at the product page. I still think using bolts without locking tab on the exhaust is asking for problems. Studs with copper nuts could be an improvement.

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

@@Acamperfull you're probably right. Shaking off isn't a big problem for the RC guys, but when I change to a nicer exhaust I'll probably do studs.

What if you mounted another tank in front of existing and put a manual fuel switch to cut over to new tank? Enough room?

I’m very interested in this unit. Mine is 60+ lbs and I’m 62. Legs not like 10 yrs. Ago. What new prop? Have you tried a 3 blade? What exhaust would I get and what to do to match it up right? Thank you for this excellent vid.

@AveryFlies

Жыл бұрын

3 blades actually lose thrust. I'm no physicist but the falcon propeller company has tested tons of props and gets best performance from a 32x10. The exhaust comes from a gent in Thailand, which is listed in my first flight video in this series.

What’s the lbs of thrust? Like a comparison of decibel reading w a comparable thrust of standard 2 stroke.

@AveryFlies

Жыл бұрын

According to the data sheet supplied by the propeller manufacturer, it should be about 90 lbs. So very low. I had to replace the propeller with a better quality xoar 32x12, whatever was sent with the unit originally was holding the engine back and not making full power. Prop, exhaust, piston rings upgrade and first flight video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4mX3JOSf7u3lrQ.html It is quite a bit louder since the prop is not geared down. I'm not sure what it is in dB, but I'll try to measure it next time I have both motors out

can you tell me what battery you are using (and maybe a link where you got it ?) PLEASE !

@AveryFlies

Жыл бұрын

Link is in the video description! Battery is a 6s 1500 mah drone pack

@gabrielegiuffre

Жыл бұрын

@@AveryFlies Thank you so much my friend 🙂

Worth paying more for the MiniMot? Manufactured by RBparamotors same concept with DLE 170 modified and tested with all safety aspects covered. I bought MiniMot and paid the extra for higher build and safety standards.

@AveryFlies

4 ай бұрын

I dunno... Maybe? I've never flown a mini mot. My beef with it is you're nearing atom 80 equipped paramotor prices, which makes way more power

@Jay-ParaOz

3 ай бұрын

@@AveryFliesI see Atom 80 at $14,000 close to double the price of MiniMot that’s quite a jump, but other than price that might be alright for taller pilots. My MiniMot is doing real nice no loose anything after few hours of flights, the swing arms on it are real paragliding free fly feel to.

@AveryFlies

3 ай бұрын

@@Jay-ParaOz I love my little 170 motor, but I would take an atom80 if I had to pick one. And where are you buying a $14k atom 80 frame? The parajet maverick atom 80 is $8200.

I see on the video two different battery voltage ! for the spark plugs (5.7V) and the starter (22.8V) ? are you using TWO batteries with different voltage ?

@AveryFlies

Жыл бұрын

No. The 5.7 is displayed by the tachometer when the engine isn't running. The battery voltage is 22.8, this is what the starter runs on. The frame has a step down that drops it to 12 volts, then into the ignition box which steps it down again to ~6 volts.

@gabrielegiuffre

Жыл бұрын

@@AveryFlies so it's all done automatically, once you have installed the 22.8v battery ...... thank you so much my friend 🙂

@AveryFlies

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrielegiuffre yep, you got it! I think voltage display on the ignition coil is just a nice troubleshooting indicator

@gabrielegiuffre

Жыл бұрын

@@AveryFlies THANK YOU SO MUCH 🙂

What battery you use to start the engine

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

6s 22.2v 1550 mah LiPo for drones

Can you mount an emergency chute?

@AveryFlies

Жыл бұрын

I can, and have ordered a front mounted container for it.

Why did you decide not to mount the battery on the frame, instead installing it in the pocket of the strap. Seems like the metal frame is where it should be installed IMHO. THoughts ?

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

Well, 2 reasons. 1: I couldn't think of a secure, but non-permanent way to attach it. I still need to take it off to charge it. But I definitely don't want it shaking loose in flight. 2: it works well as a secondary way to kill the engine if the switch fails, and with no clutch that's important

@dannoringer

2 жыл бұрын

@@AveryFlies Thank you. Those are two very good reasons. How long have you been an avid and experienced power paraglider pilot ? regards, Dan

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

@@dannoringer not long enough! My first flight was in March 2022. So as of this comment, 4 months. I've been inhaling paramotor content for 3 years now and started kiting as soon as I was able to afford the wing in February 2021. For what it's worth, I had 35 kiting hours before getting the motor.

@dannoringer

2 жыл бұрын

@@AveryFlies So, in your estimation how important is having 35 kiting hours under your belt before motoring ? Do you need that much ? Do you have an airplane pilot's license ? If you only had about 8 kiting hours, would it be enough to be safe ? Has your dad helped you with the (re-)engineering of your chinese paramotor ?

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

@@dannoringer probably 10-20 hours on the ground and 10 hours of flight with plenty of take offs and landings to be confident. I have taken soaring and typical powered lessons, but never received a license. I don't think that knowledge has really helped though, it's not like any other kind of flying. My dad's been great at allowing me to use the garage and basement for this crazy venture, but its been my show so far.

Hello brother can you help me ! I also want to buy paramotor

@AveryFlies

Жыл бұрын

I would advise you to find an instructor near you as a first step, don't just go buy one. There are a lot of sizing and performance considerations that an instructor can help you with

@nitinsharma14356

Жыл бұрын

@@AveryFlies i already done basic paramotor course and I know to fly . Just want to buy backpack for more practice

@AveryFlies

Жыл бұрын

@@nitinsharma14356 cool, well as you can see, this motor is not a good one. I would not buy it.

interesting that you checking this engine. i am german. but i am living in china and i see a fair amount of people flying this exact engine here. i hate it beyond measure because its so terribly loud that we getting kicked of almost every flying side after those guys went for some rounds. 😂price is absolute no excuse in my opinion to fly these things. if somebody is short on cash, better buy used engines with bigger prop diameter. the exhaust always falls off after months and then its tinnitus time for everyone around that pilot. they also dont even bother to fix the exhaust and on top of that flying without ear protection. not sure whats going on in their minds as content for the channel ok. but i strongly suggest anybody against this thing.

@AveryFlies

Жыл бұрын

I agree! It's not a good motor, but it does fly. There is an exhaust upgrade that helps some (see my later video for that) but a lot of the noise is in the propeller, not the engine.

@cloudpandarism2627

Жыл бұрын

@@AveryFlies i meant these muppets here fly with broken exhaust or even completely off. thats insane loud 🤣 and yes you are right! smaller props doesnt help for sure. and i have to agree that this thing flies. but at that point i would rather strap dynamite to my back and light that up to give me thrust.

@AveryFlies

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I prefer an atom 80 over this. I don't fly it much anymore

@cloudpandarism2627

Жыл бұрын

i can surely see why. i am developing my own electric paramotor these months. i heard you did the same?

@AveryFlies

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but I did a weird dual motor setup that ended up being too clunky for my use case, so I sold it and bought this is which is much more transportable.

Also did you teach yourself kiting, or did you take lessons from someone ?

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

I taught myself kiting, but for the flight lessons I enrolled in Mojos Flight School in Charlotte, NC. They refined some of my bad kiting habits and got me in the air safely.

@dannoringer

2 жыл бұрын

@@AveryFlies Looking back on your flight school training, how many hours of training minimum would you say are necessary to feel safe and in control ?

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

@@dannoringer that's hard to say, I think it's different for every person. I put in about 35 hours over a full year of kiting, then maybe another 5-6 before going for the motor and I was extremely comfortable very quickly. I have 12 hours of flight to date. I would say probably 20 hours of ground work and 10 hours of flying to really feel like you're safe and in control.

How much do you weigh?

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

165 lbs / 75 kg

@sk8rgu1

2 жыл бұрын

@@AveryFlies also how much does the whole unit weigh empty?

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

@@sk8rgu1 no fuel, 34 lbs.

Had you asked the community, they would have told you to avoid this.

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

I know.

@matthewpesce765

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you're doing a video on this. Hopefully it dissuades people from buying one. My guess is it'll fly fine initially but will not last long. While I am a fierce capitalist and welcome competition from anywhere to keep our European friends in check, the quality needs to be there since people's lives are on the line. This is obviously just a Chinese piece of junk.

What a big pile junk this is.....

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

It's definitely not a good one. Hopefully these videos scare people off. You definitely get what you pay for.

Wow This Is a complete fail and should be mentioned instead of saying YOU ARE FLYING THIS...

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

It's only a failure if it doesn't fly. And it could be a failure! I'm prepared for that. I taxied it last night and it didn't get me off the ground. I will try again with the recommended falcon propeller and a more efficient wing. If that doesn't work, THEN it's a failure and I will make a video saying as much. Until then, hold your comments or show me some of your flying experiments.

@AveryFlies

2 жыл бұрын

And what do you know, it does fly. kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4mX3JOSf7u3lrQ.html