At my baseline I only have 18% lung volume, but with my nebuliser and my other 24 different medications including controlled drugs and prescriptions at four times the maximum dose, I usually function at around 25%. My other problem is that I have "extreme" persistent atopic asthma as well and I also have a lot of upper body pain due to the same nerve damage that is closing my lungs down. My wife, who is hemiparuplegic and my inspiration and I live in a small ground floor flat. When I’m able I take my power tools outside our front door, and I bought a very cheap vacuum cleaner to attach to each machine in turn and the only thing it struggles with is my router. That’s my fault for buying a Silverline router table, but it’s light and serves my purpose without the extra shelves on. Even working outdoors I use the vacuum and always always wear a good quality mask. I won’t let my condition stop me doing things that matter to me like seeing my family, my bird watching, photography and making frames for my images, but I have to take extra precautions and I would ask others to do the same. Because of the way my lungs are failing, from the bottom up rather than the entire organ getting weaker, any dust will not be expelled in the usual way but will sit on the bottom of my lungs turning into nasty infections. I have another infection at the moment, which is my fifth serious one since May and I’m easily in double figures for the year. Or it might just be the same one that keeps returning. The reason I’ve gone into details isn’t to bring attention to myself, it is because of the importance of the subject, if you have a dedicated workshop a fixed extraction system is massively important. Even if like me you don’t have a permanent designated space it is still as important but you might have to be more inventive about how you manage the problem. Please, please, please, your masks are every bit as important as safety glasses or ear defenders, don’t rely on any of these machines to make the environment safe. Thank you for raising this massively important subject, and discussing some of the alternatives. I wouldn’t wish my condition on anyone and any thing that raises awareness I applaud, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

@ron1martens

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Harris when I first was working on jobs with dust from sweeping etc. At that time I didn't like sweeping preparing for jobs and always had sinus. We didn't have masks in those days and also smoke effected me from cigarette smoke. I had bronchitis when I was young and the injections were the probable cause. Later I wore masks and I no longer had sinus issues. Although smokers around still made my nose runny for over a day before clearing so I would avoid smokers as much as I could. Sanding timber without attached to a vacuum caused me to have a runny nose. After using dust collection using a festool I found I didn't need to wear a mask. So at what point do you see micro fibre particles and if the vacuum sucks this I don't know. When I see carpenters cutting treated timber without dust collection and no mask. They are exposing themselves to the toxins and the poisons of the treated material. As the the low end vacuum, I wonder how long it takes for the filter to clog and then not have the same sucking capacity.

I've been told, buy the best you can afford. Sometimes, I can't afford that much. That Festool is just beyond my swing. It's either something I can afford, or nothing.

Thanks for the video, picked up an Aldi return as my first dust collection tool. Shame it doesn't fit onto other Aldi products (sanders and circular saw) without the 'inner tube' work around but first trials at sanding in my 8x6 shed are very encouraging. I couldn't do that before, all such work had to be done outside. A great improvement for me.

As a guy with a basement shop, I don't really need either of these, but I love this video. If I ever start doing some handyman work, I'll keep it in mind for sure. Thanks for the vid!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt! 👍👍

Just thought I’d let you know that I’ve had one of the workzone vacs that I had attached to my mitre saw and after 1 year it gave up the ghost, Aldi said not economical to repair and they no longer stock it, so it was full refund as under 36 month warranty 😉 now on the hunt for a more robust one!

A proper review lists all the advantages and disadvantages...This IS a proper review thank you for all your reviews like this, they really help.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👍👍

Hi Peter Another great video thank you. I had the scheppach version found it grew to have on the van nice and compact. But gave up on it. It was great at sucking up the dust but terrible at keeping hold of it, a lot used to blow straight through the bag and filter. So it was great for hoovering up say saw dust and general coarser debris but awful when attached to a sander producing fine dust.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers Steve. Yes, as I say in the follow-up vid, I didn’t have filtration info on the Aldi when I made the vid, but I do now - 1 micron for the Festool, 3 microns for the Aldi, so fine for sawdust, probs not so great with filler 👍👍

Very fair and balanced comparison. I'm a pro joiner and I have the CTL-SYS - principally because my van is entirely racked out for Systainers and it therefore makes total sense for me, especially for small cutting, routing and trimming jobs where dragging in the larger extractor is cumbersome and unnecessary. Plus - every machine I own has a standardised hose connector. The price is indeed eye-watering, but it's a beautifully designed and built piece of kit - and to me (like all of my equipment) it's just a tax offset. I've tried out low-cost equipment before but I've found (in 100% of cases) that none of it is up to the demands of day in/day out heavy usage on a jobsite. But to a newbie, a DIY guy, or an occasional user, the Scheppach makes perfect sense. Keep up the good work.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kevin! As I hope comes across clearly in the vid, I've had the CTL SYS since it came out 3 years ago as my 'installs' vac and it stands up really well to the regular abuse - I've no regrets at all about buying it, or any of my other Festool stuff, as their long-term value *to me* is clear. The CTL SYS is also an L Class vac, which the Scheppach isn't - I'll have a bit more on this in the follow-on vid, but that's why I haven't put this out as past of the Festool vs Cheap Tool series, since they're not directly comparable. And yes, the point of it really was to put the Scheppach through its paces with a view to someone starting out, or who only needs occasional cleanup after installs etc... It may not be up to the Festool in terms of filtration, but it's 1000 times better than nothing at all. And of course, it would also make a good basis for a DIY cyclone project in a home workshop. Cheers, Peter 👍

Absolutely brilliant video Peter. Very cool comparison, never even considered buying this type of shop vac before but I can see some good uses for it. Thanks for sharing!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tomasz! TBH for the money, if you can get hold of one they’re just handy to have 👍👍

@jameswallace6761

5 жыл бұрын

Casual DIY 3

This Aldi Vac was the best bargain that I ever missed, lets hope it returns to Aldi or Lidl soon. Thanks for an excellent video.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear you missed out! Felt like a clearance to me, so not sure Aldi will be re-stocking but will keep our eyes peeled. I think there are still a few on eBay, or there’s always full price at Amazon - link in the video description 👍👍 And thanks!!

Incredible efficiency with the workzone machine. This is the norm from Festool. Thanks for the tutorial.

Not sure it has been mentioned but the quoted airflow rates are identical for these. Scheppach states 120 m3/h and Festool 2000l/h (equal to 120 m3/h)...so that matches your testing :)

Thank you for the demo. Most helpful.

Your cleaning comment is spot on. I install into peoples houses and we regularly get comments on the fact that we clean up afterwards. Can you believe some people walk in, drill red brick dust onto the carpets, and leave? I know this because customers tell me. Those guys are never going to get repeat business.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Unbelievable what some people do! 👍

I’m a uk carpenter, and the reason I love this channel is not just the amazing content? It’s the personal touch Pete has with his audience!? Just binged watched 10 of the latest vids added a few comments here and there? My phone was peeping with his return comments while I was watching more of his videos! That’s gotta be the only woodworking porn channel that does that???? Respect brother 👍👊greatest channel imo?

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks bruv! Honestly, it just means that I have no life, lol! 😂😂👍👍

@michaelstiller2282

5 жыл бұрын

I am from the US and I also love Pete's videos. Especially the lingo. (Maybe you are looking that up.🤔) not sure if that just an American word.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Michael Stiller Thanks Michael! No, I think ‘lingo’ is pretty international 😆👍👍

The look of amazement on your face Peter says it all. This was a great comparison, I think I might just go for one 👍

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Out of stock at Aldi online since late Friday pm; if you have a local store they may have some stock, otherwise it’s the Scheppach from Screwfix (link in the description) or the Amazon link in the description (slightly cheaper) 👍

Thanks Peter, it will be interesting to see how the Aldi vac compares when the bag is half full .

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers Ian! And yes, I’ll be testing that in a future video - can’t be any worse than the Festool tbh 👍👍

i like the name work zone, sort of lets you know what it's for kind of and where to use it

Great video didn't see these in Aldi... Looking forward to the auto socket been looking for this for ages

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Purely by chance Aldi had these in special at £29.99 the day this vid went live, so they sold out pretty fast - out of stock online within a few hrs on Friday. Scheppach version still available at the original price of around £75-80 - link in the vid description 👍👍

Random woodbutcher here, got the Workzone vac and love it. Set it on one of the £10 wheeled plant movers that Lidle do, solves the short hose problem moving around a room, doing a ply underfloor. Love the stamp on on off switch and have a stamp on extension camel which I can plug this and whatever tool i need dust collection on. Having said that I still have a Hoover Aquamaster bought over 20 years ago which I used to clean up lose gravel chippings from the grass yesterday, that had overspilled from the rusty sheet tin I laid to get them delivery tipped onto. Much to the amusement of the guys laying the base for my shed, next project, but it 'sucked like a miner smokin a rollie after a cave in' and not a stone was left in the grass.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Ha ha, brilliant! Yeah, this isn’t the only vac you’ll need, but it’s a great start 👍👍

@hesperhurt

5 жыл бұрын

Bought three for dedicated use on pillar drills and a spindle sander 👍🏼 Combined with 3 £15 autostart modules off of eBay... working like a dream 👍🏼

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Robert Venus That’s great to hear Robert - thanks for letting me know! 👍👍

Thank you very much,Peter

Mine CTL SYS burned out just 1 month outside the warranty, used lightly too! Not sure if I should replace the motor or get a cheaper one. Cost of the motor for festoon is more than Aldi vac.

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

It's a tough one isn't it? Overall I'd take a repaired Festool over a new Aldi, I think, just for the convenience of being able to keep it in a stack of systainers on a roll-board - but if that's not what you do, then there are certainly cheaper options. 👍

The Aldi /Workzone is also an inflator. Unclip the hose entry point on the box and swap it with the exit filter on the opposite side.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Festool does too 👍

thank you for the nice review and time spent on this !

Thanks for sharing I found this well balanced and fair on each product I would try to find a way to put a longer hose on the work zone piece and use on it on site where tools are more vunerable to damage and theft. I love feststool products but. find they are not suitable for job site work they are a bit fragile and best kept in the workshop.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, 👍

Great video. Just need to make a cyclone box to sit it on and a long hose to the cyclone and it would be great shop tool for small shops. Don't forget 3 yr warranty.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and yes Indeed - same warranty as Festool 😆👍👍

Just ordered mine. Thank you Peter😁

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers Mick! 👍👍 Should have been one commission 😂👍

Thanks for the video Peter. I may have missed it but can you (or anybody) tell me the name of the adaptor you use to go from the Aldi vac to the festool port? Thanks

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tom! I’ve had those little adapters for ages and can’t for the life of me remember where they came from! One of my jobs for the weekend is to have a good search online to see if I can turn them (or something similar) up anywhere 👍👍

Very nice video comparison Peter, that's a few of your comparison videos that i have seen and enjoyed, as they are all well explained so thanks for doing them. New Sub now. Barry (Wirral, ENG)

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Barry, and welcome. 👍👍

Good comparison review there, mate. 👍 Really didn't expect them to have the same suction power. Granted one is new and the other a work horse.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill. Yes, no idea how long it would last in everyday use, but it’s currently just £30, and has a 3 year warranty. 👍👍🤔

@Bill.L.Carroll

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard, even better with a 3 year warranty, most other cheaper brands only offer 1. Can't complain about that deal at all. 👌

@couplandsj

5 жыл бұрын

Currently sold out online...😡

Given the relative suction, this seems a very good candidate for a cyclone system (while in the ‘shop)

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, I’ve had a couple of people say they’re doing just that - takes the filtration question off the table completely 👍👍

I just bought the Aldi Vac off the back of this little review. I currently have a large CamVac, but its really far better as a chip extractor and is not portable. Something smaller would be much better for sanding and drilling. Thanks for doing the review, I wouldn't have even known about the Aldi vac otherwise.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Wish I was on commission, lol! I have two bags permanently in the shop and the CTL SYS for installs, but I’m sure I’ll find a use for the Aldi 👍👍

Hi Peter, the facts you figured out wee really amazing, but one question regarding the filtersystem is not answered but for me interresting. How long last the various filtersystems before they are stucked up? - and a second one, down to which size are particles hold back. Greetings from Austria

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Christian. Yes, the filtration is different between them - the Festool is a ‘proper’ Class L vac, so 1 micron or larger particles are caught, the Scheppach doesn’t have a classification. I didn’t have the information at the time I made the video but Scheppach say their filtration is 3 microns or larger, so clearly not as good. I haven’t used the Scheppach enough to test longevity, but I regularly throw the Festool bags away long before they get full as they lose suction after about the half-way mark. Hope that helps! 👍👍

I have one and found that the hose fits all my tools. Tho my tools are in the mid range and not the fancy festool. I look forward to the next video

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Good to hear, thanks Robert. 👍

Good review overall but I think the suction test could do with a revisit (it was impressive though). The problem is all the test really showed was that the two tools could achieve the same final vacuum level. Dust extraction is about more than maximum vacuum though, if it wasn't then we'd all be using high vacuum pumps on our dust extraction setups. A good dust extractor for a tool needs to be able to achieve a good vacuum but also do it quickly, that way if your sander goes over the edge of the board you won't end up with a big cloud of dust while it re-establishes the vacuum. It's tough to test in a controlled way though, best I can think of would be to sand the edge of a piece of MDF and film it to estimate how much dust is escaping.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

As you say, tough to show in a visually interesting way, though. Also I’m trying to avoid getting too much into the whole ‘science experiment’ thing as well - the methodology needs to be rigorous if it’s to be meaningful, and my little workshop is the exact opposite of a ‘clean room’ lol! The edge sanding test may have something going for it - like I did in the orbital sanders comparison, starts video #089 - but I suspect the results would be very similar to what we saw in this video. And tbh, there’s only so much testing this little vac warrants. 👍👍

As of Fri 18:00 there’s only one left! As always, nicely done Peter

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

I’d much rather be the guy who broke the bank at Monte Carlo, but I guess the guy who sold out Aldi will have to do 😂😂👍

@theartistformallyknownasdi5338

5 жыл бұрын

All gone now 😠

As an alternative for someone doing diy the evolution vacuume could be a good idea as that has power take off and it is about the same size as the festoon and the Aldi.

I bought the festools sustainer vacuum, when I purchased the Domino. The 2 were about $1300. I consider the sustainer vacuum as a part of the Domino, as in an accessory, a convenience. It's a great vacuum, or extractor as you say. And, when I first bought it, I did use it for clean up, and I learned very quickly, it's only purpose is to evacuate the sawdust out of tools like Sanders, multi tools, Domino's, and track saws. It is a vacume, with a very specific use. Extend the life of tools, blades and sandpaper. It's not a tool for clean up, I have a small vacuum for that, but I don't work alone most of the time, and sometimes I'll pull it out so we can clean up faster.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

That's a great combination, Domino & STL CYS 👍

Great video again Peter. I was just looking on the market for a Festool Midi because they have great filtration. I think the problem with cheap vacs is filters eventually blow out dirty air into the room as they clog up with with fine dust. This is problem I have found so far. That's why I started looking at the Festool vacs but they are soooo expensive. Maybe a new filter could be made for the Aldi vac by butchering a dyson sponge filter or something.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! All the Festool entry-level vacs have the same filtration, class L; Scheppach don’t appear to state a value for the HD2P so I’d assume it doesn’t meet that standard. I don’t think it’s as simple as putting in a finer filter as the whole enclosure needs to be airtight, and a finer filter would almost certainly lead to reduced airflow, and possibly over-heating and potentially a fire-hazard. Like most vacs, I think the Scheppach relies heavily on the bag for filtration, which is why it’s disappointing that there are no disposable bags available. 👍👍

@perpelle

5 жыл бұрын

There is a hepa filter available (marketed by festool) for the festools and in terms of filtration it passes the higher class. There are a few silly things that needs to be on a M-class vacuum for people who can't think but the filters and bags are the same. That filter on the aldi looks proper crap. Same with the hose. Festool hoses rocks.

Well this one is literally worth watching, just ordered one at the lower price. Most my kit goes in the back of my Golf, so this won’t take up too much additional space. I bought a Wickes wet and dry vac a few weeks ago which for the money is great but not very compact for this sort of usage and not intended for the sanding and drilling activities I need the ALDI vac for. Thanks for the heads up everyone.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers Mike 👍👍

Enjoyed the video Peter, thankyou 👍👍👍. I don't think Aldi Oz sells that unit here, but you had some useful info and I will certainly be looking out for the video on how to have the vacuum start when the tool starts. It might be me, but I think your shop is looking less pale, you must have been vacuuming and wiping down surfaces, stock and fittings since your spray painting efforts maybe 😀

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bob! Yes, been doing a bit of cleaning up around the workshop, finally starting to see the difference! 😀👍

I had one of those aldi ones, had it attached to my orbital sander and after a few minutes could smell something funny, the dust collector had caught fire!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Hope it didn't cause much damage! What did Aldi say?

Thanks Peter for this video. Just been unto my local Aldi and purchased this item. Plus they have about 15 in stock at the moment. The ticket price said 19.99 so i thought sod it for £20 quid its saves my lungs. Got it to the till and a bonus £14.99.....straight back down the aisle to pick up some Tinnies to celebrate! £20 quid well spent.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Result! Sold out online last Friday within a few hours, well impressed they still have some in stores - and a bargain price too! 👍👍

@tomconwell4965

5 жыл бұрын

I must live in area that doesn't like DIY. i bought a inverted welder the other month at my local store for £10. I can't weld but i will teach myself for that price!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Damn right - I would too! Wish I had an Aldi store near me! 😕👍

What a great Channel Peter - I am a tiler with a keen interest in cabinet making... super content and a super presenter - better than anything on our rubbish bbc... keep up the good work....

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you Victor! Now, about my share of the licence fee... 😂👍👍

You have a good sense of humor! 'They both suck', me thinking both are very bad, lol I just bought the festool and was wondering why you were not happy with it!

i bought the workzone dust collecter for 40 pounds (new) from aldi and it is great.. youse it for saw dust etc i have loads of workzone tools are the best out there...nice video please more workzone tools...thank u

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍👍

I've used lots of extraction units especially premium branded like Makita and bosh Dewalt but when I spent serious money on nilfisk M class 110v power top push and clean the difference was huge Nilfisk was even better than my Festool at 400 notes.It was 380 quid well spent and id never go back to anything else again my nilfisk is just perfection day in day out on-site work and new build

Hi, I always enjoy watching your videos and was wondering if you would consider doing a Festool vs Cheaptool of the Kapex vs something like a Evolution mitre saw? Thanks Sam

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! The idea of the Festool v Cheap tool was to get comparable products that are 1/3 to 1/4 of the price of the Festool and see how they compare. Not sure Evolution do a saw that’s really comparable to the Kapex, but I’ll take a look at their range, se what they have, OK?? 👍

@imipak23

3 жыл бұрын

+1 for that as I have a Evolution compound mitre saw & really like it, seems like excellent value for money (£160, bought direct) but I'm always keen to see what I missed out on. Plus, I bet Festool tech support isn't a geezer with a Yorkshire accent who, would tell you the only fix for your idiotic assembly mistake would be to void the warranty by drilling through the cast aluminium travelling head to access a spring-loaded catch.

@samrix5793

3 жыл бұрын

@@imipak23 I moved from an evolution mitre saw to a kapex 120 recently, definately a difference in noise and dust collection and refinement on the adjustment on the kapex. I like the evolution saw and if I'd changed from the standard multi blade to a higher tooth count would have given similar clean cuts. I prefer the mechanism on the kapex similar to the Bosch glide that it can be up against a wall rather than bars out the back.

Great test! Surprising

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah, of course ‘suckage’ is only one way of showing how much air it can shift, but it surprised me too!👍👍

Great test Peter .

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael! 👍👍

Wouldn't be surprised if they had the same motor and 'fan' inside. Great to see the suction (vacuum) test. The other important parameter to a dust collector is air flow. Don't know how one would test that. But don't confuse them the way you did at 12:12.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Hadn’t considered they might have the same motor - better get AVE into another tear down, lol! Trouble with testing airflow (anemometer works well) is that it’s dependent on the hose size, unless you’re measuring off the motor, but then how ‘real world’ is that? And 12.12? I was weighing the lumps of MDF that both vacs almost, but not quite picked up. Was that confusing? Or was it the Kilos 😆👍👍

Really agree about cleaning up after ones self I always do it. I always say 'I made the mess I clean up'

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Always an easy way to make a lasting impression 👍👍

Peter you have a fine dust monitoring tool, how did the two filters compare?

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Roger. Let’s just say that there’s more to come on this story 👍

@imipak23

3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop AH!

brilliant review and such a magnetic personality. nice one one matey!

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👍👍

Hi Peter. A quick question ... what make is the hose attachment you used to connect the festool sander to the vacuum hose? Been enjoying the videos for a good while now - keep it up.. Many thanks.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike! I have to be honest, I’ve had those little rubber adapters for so long I really can’t remember where they came from. I’ll have to do a bit of googling over the weekend and see if I can turn something up because they’re really handy👍👍

@l1verm0m

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard ... many thanks Peter. Have ordered the vac, can’t believe the value. By the way have also followed your recommendations an purchased some pieces from Mirok. Excellent products. Cheers.

I picked one up a while ago as it stacks well with my tool boxes replacing a much larger shop vac which was always a pain. Had a couple of minor issues the switch on the top gets pressed when you stack stuff on it and the glue came unstuck on the hose and needed glueing back up. I was never going to spend 300 quid on a Festool so am very happy with it in general.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks David! Other than the minor niggles how’s it holding up? Be I interested to heat some more longer-term user info. 👍👍

@davidstreet3505

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard I have used and abused it, even sucked up some small rubble chips and it’s taken everything I have thrown at it. I think it’s great value for money!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

That’s great to hear, thank you! 👍👍

Looking forward to seeing how to make the auto start for vacuums that don't have this feature! I've been using a power strip that has a master switch. This is ok for lower voltage power tools. They are meant for computers and electronic equipment, like a computer and peripherals.

@dpfreedman

5 жыл бұрын

If you're in the US, Rockler offers a current sensing dual outlet for this application: www.rockler.com/i-socket-110m-tool-and-vacuum-switch Also, any of the many available current sensing outlet strips will do the job as long as you observe their current limitations.

@k.b.woodworker3250

5 жыл бұрын

The Rockler item looks good. I'm in the US. Unfortunately that Aldi vacuum isn't sold here. Good price on sale, though.

@dpfreedman

5 жыл бұрын

This Ridgid vac is about the closest thing to an Aldi we can get over here: www.homedepot.com/p/RIDGID-4-5-gal-5-0-Peak-HP-Pro-Pack-Wet-Dry-Vac-WD4522/100638389

@k.b.woodworker3250

5 жыл бұрын

I'll take a look next time I'm in HD. Then on my list for Black Friday, holiday, depending. Thanks for the heads-up.

Excellent video! Didn't even know that tool existed! #learned thanks!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👍👍

I guess there will be a follow-up video in a while. There are a few things that I feel was a bit neglected, which others mentioned in the comments also. - Antistatic hose which nowadays also is smooth, on the festool. - Higher air flow (by specs) at lower power usage. Power usage is usually not that interesting but it might reflect a better construction which might lead to higher... - ... suction when the bag is (near) full? - And of course filtering which is really good on festool vacs. I have a midi and the air is really clean that comes out of it compared to all vacs I have been around, including household versions. This is probably a good point for those that are using them in others home. It doesn't smell of dust afterwards. Some things for thought for the follow-up video :) Good video as always :)

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I’ve done a few videos on the CTL SYS so I felt a lot of that ground had been covered already tbh. But yes, more to come 😆👍

Even better I clicked the link and found its free delivery on items over £20 I’ll have it by Monday 👌🏻

I use a big Bosch GAS M class vac when in the workshop/sanding but I also keep a cheapo £50 laying about to stop the good one being damaged when abusing clearing up water or rubbleZ

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, good plan 👍👍

Thanks Peter, I’ve just ordered one at that price.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers Julian! I wish Aldi had an affiliate program 😂👍👍

Can you grab a caliper and tell us the OD of the Aldi hose and then the hard plastic hose end. I know you said it’s a 40mm hose, but I’m new to this and don’t know which part they are referring that measurement to. Thanks!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

I’ll double check tomorrow, but pretty sure it was 40mm OD; the hard plastic end tapers, again just from memory I think 36mm to 32mm - but I’ll check when I’m back in the workshop tomorrow 👍

Having finished off my long suffering Henry hoover through ignorance I'm looking for a purpose made extractor. I assume that the Aldi machine has provision to keep the motor cool as the bag fills....thus the term extractor. The Festool machine presumably has a power take-off for the tool being used and controlled switching of the extractor. Does running the extractor on after switching off the tool extend the life of the extractors' motor?

Did you cover comparative noise? (another relevant point for customer satisfaction). Accepting that the Scheppach bag is reusable, it would still be good to know how full the bag gets before it needs to be emptied. Thanks for an excellent review.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

I cover the noise in tomorrow’s follow-on vid; spoiler - it’s 65 vs 70 Db

Just watched your video. I realized this is two years old. The big distinction for me between the two vacs is the CTS SYS has a HEPA rated secondary filter. I would be concerned when vacuuming fine dust (like from sanding) with the Aldi that it would just send it through the bag and back out the exhaust vent into a cloud around you.

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Whilst I appreciate your point, it’s important to understand that HEPA is a US standard that has no relevance elsewhere. Here in the UK the CTL SYS doesn’t come with HEPA filters, nor are they available - see above. And as the Aldi/Schepoach is 240v only, Aldi vs Festool is probably not a decision you’ll ever need to make. You might also like to take a look at video 216 - Bad Idea, or good? P1 here - kzread.info/dash/bejne/pHuIt5d6fJOegZc.html. 👍

I paid £30 for mine on an open box markdown... It's a good little vac! There are the limitations, as you point out, but for the cash, you can't argue. I find the dust collection is very good on a track saw, but utterly hopeless on a mitre saw but I suppose that says more about the design of the tool rather than the vac. Very much looking forward to your video on adding a power take off, speaking as someone with very limited sockets in the garage (workshop). Thanks for posting!

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Phil! Just done a short IGTV using it with the Kapex - worked about as well as the Midi Inisually have dedicated to it👍👍

Another fantastic review peter. £60/€70. Well worth the money. I spoke to a few building guy's recently; just conversational. & I noticed & they told me, they use Aldi/Lidl power tool's. I asked them why? & basically to sum up there thoughts...they have the Makita, festools, Dewalts etc but on site, they bring there cheap tools in case they get stolen. & if they break, there cheap to replace. But they all did say one thing: the quality for money is there! My little schappach band saw is still chooching along after 6 months. €110/£80. Well worth it mate.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Glad to hear the little bandsaw's behaving! And these vacs are down to £30 right now at Aldi - link in the pinned comment above. 👍

@hyland1984

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard. Cheers man. Had a look there. They only deliver to mainland UK. I've being using the mother's Henry the Ford escort hoover. But I'd like to get one. They had them over here a while ago. & I remember going...aaahhhh, probably a pile of shit. Wrong. Actually peter, I'm looking at getting a corded table saw. I don't no about a cheap one. There's the Lidl one next week €130. It's the most dangerous machine in a workshop, so im thinking: safety first but also middle of the road. €450-€550. As a pro, wud you have any recommendations?

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

I’m probs the last person to ask about tablesaws tbh - I worked wood for a living for the best part of 15 years without one, and only ended up with the one I have because it was ‘on special’ one time. So yeah, not much help there I’m afraid 😕👍

@hyland1984

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard ah not to worry mate. I'm just shopping around for advice & doing a lot of research. Guys have recommend the Dewalt DW745/744 & the Makita MLT100. They both have there pros & cons. Though the Dewalt is looking like the winner. Cheers man.

@classicalcarpenter4297

5 жыл бұрын

me aul jazzer. Have a look at the Metabo TS. I love mine. It is not the most dangerous tool in the workshop, that's why we have push sticks. For repetition of cuts, you can't beat them. Once you are comfortable with them, you will wonder how you got by without one. I use a Class M Metabo dust extractor with mine - cleans the TS up nicely. The most dangerous tool is any that produces dust or paint particles - I am suffering from chest problems because I didn't wear masks or had adequate dust extraction (now moving over to M Class). Dust extraction and masks is a must before turning on any tool. Hope that helps. PS the LIDL TS is ok and will do to get you started. Both LIDL and ALDI produce excellent tools that now populate my on-site kits, along with Metabo stuff.

Where do you get the various adaptors from. I have the festool sander and the aldi unit but can't marry the hoses. I bought the aldi unit with the wall sander. Yet to use it but at the price with the 3 year guarantee I thought it was worth it....

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I've had those little adapters forever and I can't for the life of me remember where they came from! I've had a good search over the weekend and I haven't been able to turn anything up that's similar - plenty of stepped plastic adapters, but nothing like the rubber ones I have; makes you appreciate the rubber-ends to the Festool hoses, tbh - maybe there's a way to adapt a Festool end to fit??

Did you test the aldi vac with the thick piece of mdf and two pieces of 18mm, like you did with the festool? On the vid it seems that you had a different order in taping the pieces together: festool: 32mm, then 18, then 18, then 9mm. Aldi: 32mm - 9 - 18 - 18. To me it seemed that the aldi had some trouble moving around all 4 pieces, so i wonder if it can lift 32+18+18?

You were enjoying that way too much Peter .....😆 absolutely top review. I'm very tempted. Thanks

@lobbylobbster

5 жыл бұрын

Just ordered one @ 29.95 delivered free. Unbelievable. Thanks so much for the nod 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

You’re right - I did enjoy that 😆👍

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Excellent - I paid the full £60 for mine and have no regrets 👍👍

Hi Peter. I’m wondering whether you could compare the quality of the output air cleanliness using the particle meter that you’ve shown in other videos. Something tells me that the Festool probably would win that test.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Almost certainly - the Festool is a Class L vac (>1 micron filtration) the Aldi unclassified but Scheppach say >3 microns filtration. But in all honesty, I don’t know how I could realistically show that without some kind of clean room, and I’m not sure my little air quality monitor is up to the job on something that specific. But yes, it’s something I plan to try 👍👍

what about getting the Aldi extractor and retrofit it on a festool systainer, I am considering that with a Henry, I can't pay 400 pounds for a hoover!

Interesting video, thanks - I would have liked to see how the Aldi vac worked after sucking up some dust - I've found that the Achilles' heel of cheap vacs is that sanding dust (especially from filler) blinds the bags and filters and the suction really drops off. Obviously your Festool has survived 3 years of this! I'd love to see a repeat of the filler sanding test that you did when comparing cheap vs Festool sanders as a way of comparing vacs. (I'll also be a bit pedantic and point out that static suction pressure - which is what you're comparing - is not the same as airflow. It's possible to get high suction as pretty low airflow,).

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Fair point about static suction pressure bs airflow - but how would I show (in a visually interesting way) airflow at the tool? And yes, the Festool bags typically are discarded way before they are filled when sanding filler - which is why it’s a shame that there’s no disposable bag for the Aldi. In this video the Festool had a new bag and (very) recent filter and the Aldi was brand new; I’ll be doing more tests when I’ve put a few miles under the Aldi 👍👍

@Mister_G

5 жыл бұрын

"how would I show (in a visually interesting way) airflow at the tool?" - No idea! Looking forward to the updates 👍

Hi Peter, great video. I have been very impressed with my Aldi vacuum cleaner its great for the money. As a DIYer it is so much better than none was. One question where did you get the rubber adapter you used with it and the sander?

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stuart! And exactly my thinking - it’s a great small, starter vac that will still be useful if you move into something else later. I’ve had those hose adapters for so long I can’t for the life of me remember where I got them from - it’s one of my jobs for this weekend to try and track something similar down as I’ve had a few Qs about them 👍👍

@stuartthomson3117

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, they are shockingly good for the money, now I know the rubber adaptors exist I can keep an eye for them. Keep up the great videos.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stuart! They’re good value vacs at £80, great value at £60, and amazing at anything less than that 👍👍

The drilling tool!!!!!!!!! I usually hold the end of the vac under the drill bit, a cheap floor tool of some sort with a hole in it will work like that drilling tool. That's a big why didn't I think of that moment for me. Now, back to the video. Great review, no brainer which to buy with an autostart plug ;-) Good video Pete, I couldn't cope without a power take off it's the whole point of having a decent vac on site. I use a Machine Mart Einhell wet/dry R2D2 type, which lifts the carpet provided the filter is clean. I also find it good for vacuuming outside when I've done a lot of cutting and inevitably the clients drive is dusty, you can never get it all with a brush. There's a blow facility on it too, which I sometimes use for the same thing blowing remaining fine dust into flower beds.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers Graham. Festool make a drinking attachment, about £15 or so, works pretty well. Never thought of using the blower to blow dust into the flowerbeds, lol - genius! 👍👍

@trevorburford-reade8685

5 жыл бұрын

Could you recommend a good power take off thingy? I searched on Amazon but I don't know what its 'real' name is so had no luck.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Well, I don't want to give away the plot of the upcoming video, but if you email me - details in the 'about' section - I'd be happy to help. 👍

@GrahamOrm

5 жыл бұрын

Works well when you're on a gravel drive and can't vac it.;-)

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Haha - been there, ended up with a hoover full of gravel 😱👍😂

Thanks for the video. A big bit of me wonders if the test you did was valid? The task you set for them was not their usual one. Nevertheless, it was interesting.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ian. I understand what you mean, and it's a comment that's come up before, but let me throw it back at you (like I have to others) and ask how you would make a visually interesting and entertaining test to check the relative 'suckage' of a pair of hoovers, bearing in mind that whilst I'm not pretending to do actual science here, the methodology does need to be fair and reasonably rigorous, to make the results meaningful. Like the BBC I aim to inform, entertain, and occasionally educate, and I'm always happy to hear how I could have done this better. 👍👍

Hi do you have a link for the rubber adaptor please. Good video keep them coming

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Hi! No, sorry - I’ve had those adapters forever and can’t for the life of me remember where I picked them up. It’s looking like the Festool rubber hose end is the closest thing that’s regularly available right now. 👍

@lurcho101

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard ok worries thanks for responding

Peter, with the Festool CTL sys and a new standard bag, how many filler can you sand before the motorcooling bypass kicks in? 1/4 bag? 1/3 bag?

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Depends on the filler (and sander) of course, but I'd say about 1/3 bag. 👍

@Harolddespui

5 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop I do a lot of primer-surfacer sanding with p320, so i guess that's 1/4 bag.

Watching this a second time as i was busy when watching it the first time :) That gadget helping with dust when drilling, could you please try it and say if it's good? I did one at home using a pet bottle and some hot glue. It works but it could stick on the wall better and it's not very elegant.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Sure, I’ll give it a whirl. I also have the Festool one - maybe a Festool v cheap tool mini series 😂😂👍

@hesperhurt

5 жыл бұрын

I've used it... it's good 👍🏼 Also works great for vacuuming the bed of my CNC, work benches etc. The little hole prevents it grabbing the surface and makes clean-up much easier. I bought 3 Aldis as dedicated extraction for a few stationery machines. The attachments are now hanging by my main extraction trailing hoses 👍🏼

As usual I found your video engaging to watch and well presented. Slightly disappointed that you didn't compare the vacs in some kind of realistic test. Not sure about you, but I don't normally use a vac for lifting up wood. Lol. Maybe you could have done some tests on the amount of dust left with your Mitre saw. Or maybe you could use your air quality meter after sanding with each vac

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! No, I don’t typically lift blocks of wood with my sander, but as I say in the video, it was a way of demonstrating the amount of air each vac was moving through the tool, rather than the theoretical throughout at the motor that the manufacturers tend to quote. It’s about as ‘real world’ as you can get without turning the video into an ‘open university’-style science experiment. Yes, the difference in filtration will also have an affect, but again, how do I show that in a video and keep the ‘science’ rigorous enough for it to be meaningful? My air quality monitor works well, but it’s not a ‘scientific’ instrument. How far can I realistically go - will I need a clean room? I’m sorry you were disappointed, but with a video like this - a simple comparison between two vacuums - I do what I can 👍👍

@ksp1278

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard Hi Peter. Please don't be offended. I enjoyed the video and appreciated the demonstration that you did. However it is not suction (static pressure) that captures dust. It is the amount of air being moved (airflow). Your experiment didn't measure airflow. It measured static pressure.

Nice to see these videos without a load of stupid music,& Peter does a great job! If anyone doesn't like these dust extractors,-then wear a mask too,or hold your breath!

@johnwatson8192

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forgot though that a big advantage of extraction whilst sanding is, hold your breath, an improvement in sanding efficiency and sanding pad life.

I have the Aldi vac and for the money it is outstanding value!, it keeps my workshop tidy "cough" 😁😉

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Excellent! Can't really fault it for the money - and yes, I have a workshop like that, lol! 😂

good that peter good little back-up specially @29.99

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Absolutely - great basis for a DIY Cyclone project too 👍

The Festool will probably keep going for years ,if the Aldi one packs up no big deal but your customers will probably be more impressed with your kit ,great vid Cheers

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, no argument there - the Festool vac in this vid is 3 years old and still going strong (obvs) but to be fair the Aldi has a 3-year warranty- and you don’t have to register to get it 😬. Oh, and I’ve never met a client who could tell a Festool from a Workzone, lol 😂👍👍

Colour me impressed Peter-time to check out Aldi online!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alan! 👍👍

Peter, may I ask what the exhaust air quality is like on the work zone vac. I recently bought a $50 upright Aldi special buy and it stunk.

@10MinuteWorkshop

Жыл бұрын

Not the best filtration, but it didn’t stink!

Workzone tools just get better and better. The only thing I would say is that they are really aimed at the hobby/diyer. I bought a belt sander from them about five years ago and it was great using it occasionally. Never missed a beat. Then about 3 months ago I was using it for a bigger job that required it to be in constant use hours at a time for a week. The bearings just melted with that kind of usage. Apart from that workzone tools are great.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, I’d put Scheppach in the ‘light trade’ category - not intended for long term daily use, but occasional or periodic usage is fine 👍👍

Peter, Thanks for this helpful review. Do you know if on the Aldi/Scheppach all the air goes out via the outlet port? I don’t trust any vacuum to filter the very fine particles so I’d like to send all the exhaust air via a hose lead outside my small workshop. (I bought a vacuum from Screwfix that blows as well as sucks, but some of the dusty air is expelled from a motor vent, so it not effective at expelling all the fine particles outside.) Thanks Roger

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

That's one of the things I didn't test I'm afraid - I felt the whole series had gone on long enough!

@rogersinnhuber5538

5 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks - if I get one I'll test and post it here.

@rogersinnhuber5538

5 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks - if I get one I'll test and post it here.

Oh dear,! Saw your upload registered online with Aldi but they are sold out!, Tool station wants £79.99 for the Sheppach version,!,

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, they sold out late Friday afternoon, sadly. I think Screwfix have them at £75 - link in the video description - and Scheppach themselves want £85. As I say in the vid, it’s still a good little vac at ~£80, just not the bargain it was at £60 / £30 / £15 etc... 👍👍

When you open the lid of the Festool i'm noticing that very fine dust has leaked in time from the seal of the bag opening. I know the filters will take care of this, but it shouldn't happen, it will shorten the filters' lifespawn/efficiency. A bag compartment should be 100% clean imo.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Non-issue for me - life is imperfect, after all. It’s the original filter, so a fair few years old, and stays far, far cleaner than any of my other vacs. 👍👍

Just ordered one, It would be rude not to :) Thanks Peter

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Quite right too - we were always taught not to be rude 😆👍👍

Where can we get the adaptor that you use to attached the RTS400 Sander to the Aldi Hoover?

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I've had them for so long I can't remember where I bought them from. There are lots of stepped plastic adapters around, but it seems that only Festool make the rubber hose end...

@wincho84

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, not to worry. Unfortunately the stepped ones (I have bought before) don't fit the Festool OF1010. The flexible one looked ideal for this purpose.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is. I 'm starting to think that the best option is to get a Festool hose end and make it fit the larger hose - more experimentation needed I think!

Old video I know but I watched this ages ago and thought what a bargain for £60. Well I picked one up today for £10 brandnew boxed , didn't need it but will definitely keep it as a spare or a dedicated car hoover.

@williamn01

4 жыл бұрын

Where did u get it for a tenner 😉£10

@AMG63

4 жыл бұрын

@@williamn01 good old gumtree, a lady had bought it to hoover her astroturf 🤦🏼‍♂️ but never opened it after being happy just brushing it 🤔

Finally got an Aldi model from Ebay at £39.95. Wow. It is certainly a good little tool for me with DIY, although I still use a mask in my garage. I've tried a cyclone with my shop vac and it was great but so bulky and unsteady unless I was prepared to build a trolley for them both. The little Aldi chap will solve a lot of dust problems for me, so thank Peter for stimulating the chase for me. Would I spend the full price £80.00 for a Scheppach? Probably, but I can get some decent hardwood to work on for the £40 I've saved.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it worked out for you! Don’t forget the bag hack - captures more dust than the cloth one that comes with it 👍👍

A couple thoughts/comments...I am the proud owner of both the CTL-SYS and the CT36, so I may be slightly biased in favor of the Festool. The only thing lacking on the portable is adjustment of the vacuum. For cutting tools that is not a problem, but for sanding, it is best to decrease the vacuum to eliminate chatter. As far as the comparison goes, you only used the Festool sander. Not all sanders are created equal, and another brand like Porter Cable or Dewalt might not have the same pass-through of air. I'm just sayin'.

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Ira, and thanks for your thoughts. I’ve owned the CTL SYS since they were available here (a little over 3 years) and it’s been my on-site install vac for all that time without missing a beat. And in all that time I haven’t missed the variable speed at all - I did a couple of very early videos about that exact thing, and sourced a bleed valve to allow reduced suction - but that’s mostly because I rarely do the kind of fine-finish sanding onsite. The Festool sanders do have particularly efficient air throughout - that’s why I used my RTS400 for this test, so we could see the kind of ‘suckage’ you get at the tool, with abrasive attached. I agree, using another sander or brand would reduce the effect, but I’d expect it do so for both vacs, equally. You might also want to take a look at my follow-up video, where I discuss filtration and noise 👍👍

I bought this around 2 months ago, yes it's a powerful cheap hover I also had the Sander at the same time the one with the pole. The flex isn't no where near long enough, the flexi pipe is useless, and it doesn't fit the Sander that was on sale at the same time, so I binned the flexi and used the one that came with the Sander it's very good quality and longer, I also made some a adapters to fit the Sander and now it works pretty good, I can reach the ceilings now with the longer flex and it also fit's in the lid..

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Only just learning about this pole sander, sounds like good value 👍

@fatyowls

5 жыл бұрын

Peter Millard It's not bad at all, after getting the pipe to fit it extracts quite well, as long as you line up the holes with the Velcro pad. It does collect a bit of debris around the lip, but as long as clean it off it's pretty good. The weights ok to, I have nothing to compare it to, and it's I think 225mm disc...

@10MinuteWorkshop

5 жыл бұрын

fatyowls Thanks for the info! 👍👍

A noise comparison would have been nice as well, especially since i can't find any noise rating on the Work Zone/Scheppach extractor.

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Follow-on video here - kzread.info/dash/bejne/n32sk5p7gsK1dJM.html 👍

Took my schapak extractor back after only 15mins ot use. Got Incredibly hot and spat out as much dust as it sucked up. I've now got the festool on order

@10MinuteWorkshop

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a plan! 👍