I do really like this game finally sorting out whether or not Alan is the architect of the remedyverse’s strife, and he’s not, he’s more of a prophet who can influence the world around him. I know Zane is like… a one hour video of barely anything making sense and nothing conclusive, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on the Dark Poems. What they mean, & the significance of the black out poetry. The idea that Zane is editing and taking advantage of Wake’s writing to make things happen is VERY interesting to me.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Zane is such a fascinating case study. Not only because all of his work seems to borrow from Alan's, but also his connection to Scratch, his connection to Death Rally, and the real life folklore surrounding Tom the Poet aka Thomas Learmont.

This extends to Alice too! Just as Alan was haunted by shadowy nightmares as a child-it seems Alice also retroactively suffered from being exposed to the Dark Place, as the first game established she had a crippling fear of the dark. I imagine this manifested similar to Alan's childhood fears.

@XvKJP2015

4 ай бұрын

Now she's the hero to Alan. From what I got from the final draft is her essence was the bullet of light defeated Scratch and helped Alan ascend out of the spiral. She faced her fears amd willingly went to the dark place to help Alan. I also think the Alan Wake she was seeing was everytime he went back to their Apartment with each loop since the cameras snapped his pictures everytime the elevator opened. Idk it is brilliant but confusing at the same time. A great story will have you thinking and discussing it long after it is over

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Now that is a very interesting thought I had not considered. That her nyctophobia was due to her time in the Dark Place. Very interesting.

That Tom/Thomas Zane fellow is certainly an enigma inside a 5 layer burrito of mystery.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Zane is too much of a Gordian Knot to try and riddle out. Not even trying

@anachibi

4 ай бұрын

Makes me feel a bit better about going all Pepe Silvia on Zane lol

@CatalinIulianPopescu

Ай бұрын

@@GamingUniversityUoG what do you think of Alan wake book? maybe you can make a future video about that? just a suggestion. Keep up the good work ! You rock

6:15 That's Dali's dilemma. How to express the dream itself without conscience filters. The mind trying to organization what we just dreamed erase what is inconsistent and put in order / sequence / chronology what we just have dreamed

"you have visions too? I always tought they were ideas, inspiration. But they are real. Just like this, now." that line of Alan to Saga always got my mind buzzing, I was so waiting for this 🎉

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

There is a bunch of stuff like this that I'm kicking myself for not mentioning. Such as the FBC document about Art and Fiction. Also Ed Booker getting inspired randomly by a Rock Opera out of 'seemingly' no where right after the We Sing section occurs.

@edoardodicesare2373

4 ай бұрын

@@GamingUniversityUoG there's also a manuscript page describing Ilmo having a nightmare about his scene where he kills his brother in Yöton Yö

Given the ending ... Is it finally time for us to Dive into the Ocean of Tom Zane and try to carve ourselves a small World of "Things we are sure of" ?

I love the herald of darkness in the background.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Always a good time to listen to it

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

4 ай бұрын

Literally @@GamingUniversityUoG

@Miniman15

4 ай бұрын

​@GamingUniversityUoG this is how you "figure it out" for all the lore huh?

For the record the egg came first, the precursor species to the chicken laid a mutated egg that became the chicken. The real question is what could evolution deem less likely to survive than a chicken?

@BangerangEliko

4 ай бұрын

I was gonna say, The T-Rex came first

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Idioms lol.

@Pir-o

4 ай бұрын

@@BangerangEliko I wonder how T-Rex KFC would taste like

@safwanconqurer5848

4 ай бұрын

Nope,.recent studies shows that only hens can produce the specific protiens required.for.egg shells

@safwanconqurer5848

4 ай бұрын

So prolly trex mutated first.imto.chicken.amd.then came the modern egg not the reptilian egg

Hey! Big fan of your work here ❤️ So I’m playing The Final Draft and one thing caught my attention that interestingly enough it did not in my first playthrough: So, there’s a point in the subway where it is said that the Cultists targeted THE TORCHBEARERS (plural) and Alan Wake is A torchbearer (as it’s even mentioned in the song Herald of Darkness) so does that mean there were more people like Alan?! And here’s another amazing detail about this: In the subway you will find many paintings of a shadow figure on the walls, but in some spots, I can recall a few in the Summoning Ritual scene, there are similar figures but painted in white 😧 are those the torchbearers?! Who are the torchbearers in the lore? Even creepier, I think the people in the subway car that were burned are the torchbearers! Thank you ❤️

Fantastic video. The way dreams and reality works in the RCU is so fascinatingly fluid, especially with acts of creation. There's a quote from an FBC doc in the Witchfinder's Station that I think really highlights the strangeness of the relationship between inspiration and art: "The hypothesis is that there are two ways in which Fiction affects reality - either by reflecting events that have come to pass but that are not known to their later creator, whose act of creation therefore becomes the catalyst for these past events after which they serve as the source of their own inspiration, or by the Fiction itself being the initiating force in its present timeline, using the creator as a conduit."

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

I'm kicking myself for not including that bit of the FBC discussing fiction. A couple days after uploading I noticed it and got annoyed with myself lol. Also there is the bit about Ed Booker randomly getting inspiration for a Rock Opera involving an artist as the main character. Coincidently around the time the We Sing section occurs.

In Control AWE, Alan says explicitly that he wrote a story to call out Jesse's attention after discovering the existence of the FBC.

On the theory where people think Alan created everything is disproved in Alan Wake 2, it specifically tells us that Alan can't write anything into existence but only work on what already exists (I'm not sure if its Alan Wake 1 or 2, Ive been playing both a lot recently and everything is getting kinda mixed up lol)

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it wasn't explicit in the first game. But the Control Artbook confirms this. Then AW2 makes it explicit

Finally! I was pretty hyped for this one, specifically! Excellent work once again! Having recently completed my 65 page philological essay on The Last of Us entitled: "The Art of Allusion and the Beauty of Sorrow - An Essay on Structure, Narrative Techniques and Character Shapes/Patterns of The Last of Us Part I & II", Alan Wake 2 is my new passion in terms of interpretive approach. Your videos never cease to amaze and inspire me! 👏

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Are you working on these papers for class or for the fun of it? Sounds interesting.

@user-mr9jw8rh5z

4 ай бұрын

@@GamingUniversityUoG For the fun of it. At the risk of sounding pretentious, I enjoy using the methodological knowledge I acquired during my academic studies in order to highlight overlooked aspects of the video games I love, in terms of narrative structure and character design. This is the reason why I admire your videos so much (particularly, the Alan Wake ones). In any case, for anyone (like you and me) who seeks to delve into the latent meanings of works of art, it is important not to get carried away by their analytical enthusiasm and therefore be led, as Umberto Eco pointed out, from interpretation to over-interpretation. So far, your videos are excellent in this regard.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

That's kind of half the reason I do this. Trying to show case that the medium of game stories are worthy of deeper analysis and discuss deep and philosophical concepts.

@user-mr9jw8rh5z

4 ай бұрын

@@GamingUniversityUoG Couldn't have said it better! I'm glad we share the same way of thinking. When I finish translating the essay from Greek to English (I am a Greek philologist), I will be happy to send it to you. All the best to you and your channel!

@jubileechambers2604

3 ай бұрын

​@@user-mr9jw8rh5z Is there perhaps a place I could also read an English translation of your paper? I love The last of Us and I love reading things that delve into the deeper meaning of media especially Videogames. If you don't feel comfortable giving it to me considering I am a random internet person that's perfectly fine I just figured I would ask.

I can't be the only one that desperately wants a Garth Marenghi cameo in an Alan Wake game. Author, Dreamweaver, Visionary... plus actor...

Something I see show up a lot in Alan Wake 2, and other spaces iirc, is the statement of "First Came The Word". Arguably, the viewpoint of Alan makes it harder to discern the truth of the Dark Place. What he sees isn't an absolute example of the Dark Place. I think back to Max Payne and the poem by Pool, " In this hall of mirrors, built by liars, I am a pale reflection of myself". The "hall of mirrors" portion has thus far, been true in every instance of what the Dark Place is. It is a source of inspiration because it is a reflection of the multiverse, the void staring back at reality itself. Alan sees dark reflections, but perhaps Door, Odin, and Tor see something different. With all that said, I'd like to propose that Crossfire X's first campaign shows us the Dark Place. Its filled with doors, is almost a reflective reality, and touches briefly on the multiverse. Its not a dark place though, it is closer to a hall of mirrors, reflecting every reality. In which case, dreams are reflections from this space, and inspiration is essentially a 5th dimensional concept in which time and space of a separate reality are reflected into someone else's brain via reflection. If light can bounce, perhaps time could too?

The way that I hope this all goes is like the plot line to the movie Predestination. The Zane/Alan reality problem is as neat as it is messy (to my mind), in that one created the other and that ouroboros' existence is the source of the issue. My worry is that this goes more like the Netflix series Dark, in that we are caught up in events and a story that ends up being caused by an 'other' that none of us have an ability to know. I sincerely hope that Sam Lake doesn't draw inspiration from that.

@XvKJP2015

4 ай бұрын

Neither of then created the other. Alan says that the darkplace and it's powers can NOT create a person from nothing. Alex Casey was real. Alan is clairvoyant. His ideas were visions. TDP powers can influence and alter an existing person's life but a person has to exsist they can't be created out of thin air

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

I have some thoughts on this. More that the Zane we see here is an imposter. But that is the subject of future essays.

Gotta say Dean, your videos are always a delight and a comfort. Truly fascinating stuff, thank you.

Not sure how i feel about Alan creating himself, wasn't thrilled with the implications that he did create the broader universe in that theory. Good to know it's more complicated than that.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Yeah it was never the case that Alan is a god and created everything. After Control a lot of people jumped on that band wagon but no.

I'd like to hear an analysis on Dark Presence itself, with each entry in the series it is more heavily hinted that the Dark Presence hijacked the Dark Place, or was imprisoned in it. I do wonder if more can be dug out

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Stay tuned. Maybe by the start of March. Got some thoughts.

@Andriej69

4 ай бұрын

@@GamingUniversityUoG Awesome!

Man I loved this video! I finally finished The Final Draft myself and it was so satisfying to see that the ending wasn't a cliffhanger. But I noticed that I didn't find the part where The Sea of Night appears. Did you find the song in your NG Plus playthrough? Greetings from Germany!!

You are amazing. I love the way you think and make this videos. They are a beauty to watch

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

You're very welcome. I love making these for y'all.

We are told Alan Wake can only bring things that already exist together in his writing. Failing to realize he writes about things he has no clue of they exist and simply writing anything in and saying that’s how it works is bad story telling. His writings are creating the story due to time being a looping construct with everything happing before and again all at once. It plays into a lot of the legends behind what inspired these games and is a nice way to make a story that seems like it is far deeper than it is. It’s not a lake, it’s a puddle. It truly is as simple as a writer is creating all of this and coming up with reasons to make it interesting. Don’t believe me? Take it meta narratively using “An Absence of Creativity” the events created in that were all part of an “already existing” story from an outside force…take this all literally and everything is written into existence by something else to begin with so yes, the writer is creating the story but if that or the next layer up over explaining Sam Lake writing this would ruin the story so that is ignored. It’s a plot hole impossible to ignore but is trying to be covered up for something more interesting. Tl:dr You anll are looking too far deep into something so shallow…and that mislead is creating great stories. That’s the point.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

It is explictively stated that he 'IS' aware of what goes on out in the world and draws upon it. Check the QR code visions and some American Nightmare manuscripts.

Amazing Video as always. Finally I have some time to catch up with your latest videos (hopefully) and it's always worth it. Your analysis are so detailed, researched and well explained! Especially the idea and inspiration question is a huge part for me in AW2 so it's great to see you going so much into topic. When I just think about as you said the Zane and Wake inspiration I always come back to the different Film Poster version of "Nightless Night" which you just can find outside the Cinema and how much Alan and Tom inspire each other. But yes I just wanted to say great work !!!

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Thank you! Glad you're able to get caught up. Yeah Tom and Alan seem to be interwoven creatively. which poses a lot of questions. I forgot to mention another artist who had some inspiration here. Ed Booker. He picked up on the musical and rock opera section of We Sing but twisted it into a space opera. Cool stuff!

@TheAmeliaNathan

4 ай бұрын

@@GamingUniversityUoG True Ed Booker was also a fascinating character. In general all the artist characters who struggled with their art. But yeah again amazing Video! :)

Since finishing the Final Draft, I've been confused about the whole inspiration / alteration dynamic in the game. I think this helps, so thanks for addressing it. Since we know Alan is also a seer (in addition to being an artist), ive been struggling with how much of his writings were simply recording events that he foresaw and how many events that he actually created through the power of TDP. I still dont know which is which in the context of this story, but i think examining them through the lens of inspiration based on real source material at least points us in the right direction.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

I think this entire idea of Overlaps in the game truly make the inspiration vs real life work perfectly. The narratives reflect one another like the Cult of the Word vs Cult of the Tree. The stories from Alan adapt real life events so that the narratives overlap but are not identical. With his adaptations he can nudge a few things into place. So more a Prophet that has a degree of influence on events.

Very interesting, as always! Great job on the visual accompaniment!!

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Haha thanks! Yeah Yellowbat really brings these alive.

Another excellent video GU!

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Thank you good sir!

When Alan said in the final draft ending "When the bullet of light blew the darkness out of the crater of my my skull, the dark presence was born from the remains feeding on the horror around it to grow " So, the dark presence in Alan Wake that consumed everything was created in the future (Alan Wake 2) when he wrote the final draft ending. Since something in the future can affect the past (like whe Alan wake got out of the dark place after the 1st overlap, but the ritual to get him out was done way after that and released him in the past) so him catching the dark presence in a loop creating and defeating it at the same time in the final draft with the light bullet he created it but it still had an affect on his past? (Alan Wake 1) it is hard to understand or even think about what that exactly means.

I find these videos so fascinating. Keep up the great work! You may want to watch the plosives on the mic, though. 🎙️ ❤️

Another amazing video... thank you.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Absolutely! Glad you enjoy

2:06 "12 Monkeys"... I'm keep having this dream about this airport, this man and this women. Will see Alan soon in Alan facing himself from the other side of the Reality/threshold/Mirror

Thanks for the video, Dean! Regarding Zane, have you noticed a newspaper from Scratch's Deerfest that mentions that Scratch and Seine are Alan's shifting identities? I hope this can help in some way, although you are probably already aware of this detail.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

I actually have not seen this. I'll have to go back and double check it all. Thanks for the tip!

@natooo8312

4 ай бұрын

This is actually kinda wild, would this be the only thing across the games that explicitly states Zane and Alan are one in the same

@ruslanchernikov650

4 ай бұрын

@@natooo8312 This and the game files.

I must admit that the idea of events echoing back through time as a constant part of the Remedyverse is very disquieting and it kind of deflates any kind of stake since the idea is basically fate, what is the point of striving to make things go your way when you are stuck in a causal loop? There is no free will, the world and the people in it are always going along a fixed route with no free will or control over how things play out, Trench was always going to die, Jessie was always going to become director, Alan was always going to cause Saga and Alex to go to Bright Falls. It is very like the prequel problem, there are no stakes and nobody can act in a way that escapes the events of the original story.

@magickoopa24

4 ай бұрын

Change is the key factor here, imo: The Hiss were always going to infect Trench, but Alan giving them a voice and making them louder made it possible to detect and prevent them from completely ruining everything. Saga was probably always going to Bright Falls, but would it be with her daughter (where her daughter would trip and drown) or with her sidekick Alex Casey to solve the case? There is less a thing of fate, imo, and more of people editing the story of the world to fit their needs: sometimes it's the better of a bad situation, sometimes it's worse, but either way things are not set in stone, just need to get your pen out and write it out

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

I don't see it as an issue of Fate in the slightest. Everyone still makes their own decisions and makes the story move forward. All this Inspiration business does is give someone a spoiler alert about what comes from the character's free-will. Semantics of course. I see it as no different that Alan picking up on Casey's story which could have happened before he had the dream. In this case is seeing the past Fate? We don't have a timeline on when these events occurred but it is feasible.

@reifuTD

4 ай бұрын

@@magickoopa24 Speaking of Saga was always going to be probably be Bright Falls, then you have her father situation where you have the white version in Quantum Break and the black version in Alen Wake 2. I'm sure no matter who the father was Freya was going to name her child Saga. We been who sired that child made a big difference in fate.

@Voltaic_Fire

4 ай бұрын

@@GamingUniversityUoG Did they really make their own choices though? Is it free will when you leave someone with only one choice they can live with? What loving husband wouldn't try to save his wife? What sister would give up on her brother? What mother would leave her child and husband to an apocalyptic AWE? The board was laid out so everyone would only do one thing and that's the truth of matter; the game was rigged from the start.

@Voltaic_Fire

4 ай бұрын

@@magickoopa24 That's an interesting way to view it and I would love to see it that way, it's definitely something to think on.

Can we get the background music? I love that part of Herald of Darkness and a full instrumental version would be awesome. I like jazz so...

@yellowbat79

4 ай бұрын

All pulled from game files, www.youtube.com/@ChampionofLight2023 is doing a fantastic job uploading stuff from the game, including the music, to KZread. check them out

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for that Yellowbat.

I've thought before I heard others theories that this Tom Zaine isn't the same.. I think the one who helped Alan was written to do so by Alan and that he went to his pocket paradise with Barbara when in the first game the He lit up the whole Cabin. Just a theory.. This Tom seems off and not as helpful but maybe he is really trying to help and just seems like he isn't. I also can see how he is just Alan the same as Alex is Max and Tim is Jack. I think I heard that from you.. This tom just doesn't seem like the light that helps you throughout the first game.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

This Zane is almost certainly not the same. I do have some thoughts. This Alan Wake 2 story went out of its way to lead us down false paths before returning us to the road. Tricking us and the character's. I wonder if the Tim/Jack and Door/Hatch thing is a red hearing and that there is a different explanation for Zane. Now that I've thought about it longer.

So I stumbled upon a theory in Reddit that Thomas Zayne is actually Mr. Scratch. There's evidence in AWE and American nightmare and AW2 In AW2 there's "happy song" that plays for zayne and it also plays for scratch in American nightmare. Also there's a newspaper at the basement in the nursery house where Thomas is referred to as Mr.Zayne. There are other stuff like the movie poster and Yoton Yo And I really want to know what u think about all of this maybe in a future video

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Sadly there is still too much surrounding Zane to form a full proof theory at this time. That being said I fully believe this Zane is an imposter of some kind. I have some evidence that I'll present soon for some tin foil theories.

@perversemite519

4 ай бұрын

@@GamingUniversityUoG Thanks for replying ❤️❤️ That's reaally interesting, can't wait for Ur next videos🤩

I still think that the lake is able to create a version of reality using a narrative. How else would you explain Thomas Zane having the same face as Alan.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

That is a story that shall be told another time.

Love your content as always! This is fantastic! However, I'm not necessarily sold on this perspective quite yet. If the inspiration (i.e. the reality of events) happens before the art, then art has no power, in or out of Cauldron Lake. If the events recorded in Departure were bound to happen, and Alan was simply recording them, then why did the Dark Prescence need him? Why bother attempting to manipulate Alan at all? Surely leaving him alone and clueless, with a bad case of writer's block to boot, would have ensured the DP's plan to take over the world would succeed. If the lake's power is essentially just prophecy, any Seer (like Saga) would be able to use the power of the lake just as effectively as an artist, if not more so. But Saga sees the same Dark Place as Alan. Alan's mind gives it form, gives it breath, makes it stable and tangible. Saga's mind doesn't do that. She has the power to pass through it, but not to shape it. Your last video (Khaos & Time), along with some of your older content (which I now forget the names of, forgive me), touched on this as well. Alan sees visions of possible realities, selects the ideas he likes, writes about them, making them reality. It's about pulling threads. All realities and possibilities collide in the Dark Place. They swirl around like a maelstrom, not given shape or form, until a creative mind is able to pull apart the tangled threads and choose those which he wills. I believe that's Alan's role. As Grograman said: "Beginning at the moment you gave it its name, it has existed forever." Alan's role is to give the names. Also, regarding the document from Control. My take on that was that this episode of Night Springs, much like the Champion of Light episode mentioned in American Nightmare, was something Alan was pulling on as inspiration for his spinoff project "Control". Yes, he saw a vision of what MIGHT have happened (Bureau of Bright Falls, both director and scientist are evil, etc.), but Alan (now in the Dark Place with the power to change reality) changed the plot into what ACTUALLY happened. He did the same with Departure, which led to a change in reality. Maybe I'm just totally misunderstanding you here, maybe I'm just going mad, but that's my perspective. Keep up the great work, and stay in the Light! EDIT: Grammar

We’re all figments of imagination of a guy living in a rundown apartment with little furniture.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Hey he just bought a new TV. He's working on the furniture

Since one of the upcoming DLC's is called Night Springs I wonder if Alan's gonna have to go through something similar to American Nightmare again. And I've seen theories that filmmaker Thomas Zane is either original AN Scratch or that Zane/ Seine the filmmaker is Thomas Zane the poet/ diver's Scratch equivalent.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

I have another thought too but I'll save it until we see the dlcs.

This game rips the story from Twin Peaks... FBI protaganist, secret government paranormal investigation unit, dopplegangers and hidden in between world set in bright falls washington (twin peaks washington). COFFEE

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Just like Twin Peaks was inspired by things that came before it. Lynch comments that some of Dennis Potters TV shows helped inspire it such as the Singing Detective and Pennies from Heaven. Lord of the Rings inspired by a Wagner opera. Many stories inspired by local mythology or religious texts. So much is different between them though. I'm currently watching Twin Peaks with my sister while she plays Alan Wake for the first time. Interesting experience.

@Scoopsdepoop

4 ай бұрын

Both stories also feature characters and locations, i think hes on to something.

@Jirizo1

4 ай бұрын

@@GamingUniversityUoG you have a point, but Sam Lake is admittedly inspired by it growing up watching American TV in the 90s. It's evident in his work that the skeleton of AW is TP

@Jirizo1

4 ай бұрын

I should clarify I love Alan Wake and I love that it's inspired by my favorite show of all time, I came off wrong reading back on it

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

No it 100% has Twin Peaks as one of the inspirations for sure. I just don't see how that is a bad thing. It is not derivative of it and tells its own story. There is also a lot of stuff from House of Leaves, Misery, Twilight Zone, HP Lovecraft, etc. Part of why it works is all of these things exist in the universe so it would make sense that Alan would have consumed these pieces of media.

Hi Dean! I know it is not point of this video, but who do you think Alan and Saga managed to save? Alan does say "save everyone", would that mean actually everyone who died in the story can be brought back like Logan is. I wonder where the line is, will the boss Takens resurrect? Jaakko? Blum? Is the ending just big undo button? I get that there is pretty much no way to know yet for sure, but thoughts? If it is a big undo button, and we believe Norman, who doesn't remember the building being there but was otherwise more reliable narrator (maybe its all the beer and sauna blocking his "dementia"!), where are they after they click the clicker? If the story goes away then the Writer's Room cannot exist in the Valhalla Nursing Home if the building is not in place? I guess it can just be undoing all the deaths, and there was no need to scratch out rest of the story.

Can you explain to me what the Dark Place does to people's minds. Does the dark place make a person fight against himself? I'm trying to understand the trapped Saga by looking at the picture of other Saga And who is other Saga in Alan wake 2?

I remember that you said you were going to watch Twin Peaks with someone, are you interested in making videos about it as well? It would be very interesting to watch

Would this explain the last few lines of AW2 where Alan seems to imply that the Dark Presence was born from him? I've been under the assumption that perhaps he created it right then and there, and according to Alan, the change spread backward and forward through time like an edit or rewrite of a book. And in some way, the Dark Presence is now stuck in a loop itself, with Alan serving as it's origin and end simultaneously. Also, I have some ideas on what Alice really did to help Alan. The major one is that Alice had communication with the Bright Presence around the time she came up with the "artist-as-art" idea, and the whole purpose of that idea was to fuse herself, the Bright Presence, and the Dark Presence together with Alan. With both of the Presences within him, Alan would be "the master of two worlds" and then remember that the Dark Place can influence other worlds, meaning he would be "the master of many worlds". (Almost forgot to mention it, but I think the Spark of Inspiration represents Alice and the Bullet of Light represents the Bright Presence) I haven't really thought all of it through yet and I'm probably missing pieces that would confirm or deny this idea, but I thought it was interesting and figured you might have a better interpretation than I do.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

To answer your question yes and no. I'll have an Ending Explained video coming up which discusses it. The dark presence existed before this event but it in a way got trapped in the story by claiming it.

You see I'm too literal for the chicken and the egg question because there is an actual scientific reasoning, but it's supposed to be metaphorical

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

That was always the point of the expression to be metaphorical. I've never heard anyone scientifically debate this question lol. Just intends to make us think about the nature of circles.

@EMD766

4 ай бұрын

Sweet I’m gonna look it up.

@christophercomtois7175

4 ай бұрын

The Amoeba came first.

@Nintentohtori

4 ай бұрын

Egg, because eventually there is a the one chicken that finally has evolved into what counts as a chicken right? And that comes from an egg that was laid by the non-chicken. I know evolution does not really work like that, but there is some kind of theoretical treshold for that one.

Dean, I know you've previously talked about Loki from Old gods of Asgard, and if maybe he is Alan's father. Do you think Zane could be Loki? I mean, he is a bit of a trickster, and that would also explain why he and Alan looks the same?

Can anyone tell me the ending music? I love it so much.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

It is from the Chrono Cross OST. Forgot the name of the tune

Dylan Faden also had dreams.

Nice video. This may be a bit off topic but, as you might have already noticed, in AW2 (and also in Control) the taken only speak by reciting fragments of Return unlike the original game, where they only repeated phrases they'd already said when alive. Any theory about this?

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

I've made note of that and they appear to be different entities despite having the same name. The bodies also vanish in the original game where as here they remain. Simple explanation is in AW2 they are 'written' one way and in the original they are 'written' in a different way.

@tabarebruch6257

4 ай бұрын

@@GamingUniversityUoGI see. Thanks for the answer.

game tries influence us events in control created by Alan even way back quantum break and i hate that idea soooooo much till thomas zane showed us how powerful he is and let me think about it in others ways ...in our mind we wanted alex casey be alive a real person a echo of our lovely max payne even real max payne be part of rcu but we thinks all time he will be character in game to vanish. sam heard it and created two alexcasey for us a real alex casey tied to cooper (if you finish twin peaks you will love him so much ) his inspiration for a detective and alex casey vanishes in darkplace as character in sotry tied to max payne for us and he blend it to his own work too ....i think sam show us clearly how appreciate his fan of work in alan wake you me yellow bat max derrat hidden machine every single ppl commenting here and everywhere talking about ideas we are his inspiration in this game ..... and alan wake somehow is echo of him in this 13 years of development of alan wake 2 for me ....i think sam tires so hard balance with facts and our desire in his work if you think about barry our desire wants Barry involved more but we dont want barry be part of alan messed up situation may we lost him TOO bcz we loves barry in game so much as A Fan and sam lake plans big for him ....we didn't like nightingale didn't disscuss about him even he was key part of story to keep going ! think if reckless nightingle didn't shoot and act like crazy story and set design goes in other direction we didnt focus on his desire and his act and story behind him sam killed him right in starting game and if you notice even last part of dark place he show us nightingle jumpscare we didnt single jumpscare in darkplace from others there was just scratch/alan sam really punishes us about nightingle..we loves cynthia we was sad about her being guardian and traumatized sam killed her brutally in front of our eyes and show us how lovely she was for us so many jumpscare with screaming of her then crying boss wanna kill saga then angers remorse!!! we was inspiration and sam created art we will create art and sam will inspire from us !thats why in saga mind place you can see cord from real sam lake tied with it in alan section begging dont kill me !XD sorry man for all imperfection of my writing im suck at it :)

The fact thst athi continues to call Alan Tom and that Thoma Zane looks just like Alan has me thinking, are they they same person? Is Alan a creation of Tom as he tries to escape the dark place? Or vise versa? Just like American nightmare and AW 1 are failed attempts of escaping, idk this games lore has me going on circles 😂

After learning about "Dick Justice", i realized that i'm not as mature as i thought i was. Given the fact that dreams can be influenced, if you realize that you are in a dream and take control (haha) of it, does that potentially have an effect?

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

Lucid Dreaming in a certain way is what Alan is trying to learn to do in the game. Sort of not really lol. Mastery of the Dark Place / Dream Reality.

it is a fair question to be honest who came up with the ideas first wake or zane and the dark place is now known for literally being a massive headache to rap your head around. side comment i wanted to say sorry for the comment i did on the alan wake video i got worked up on that one i loved the game and got blind sided by it

6:31 And films based on games are practically doomed to fail since instead of a mix of an adaptation and its own thing half the time they're completely different with some character and place names to make it seem like an adaptation.

@GamingUniversityUoG

4 ай бұрын

It is kind of sad because some are made so adapting it should be really easy. For some reason the new writers want to change things rather than just do what was already written.

@naprox3n_offline

4 ай бұрын

I think I have something that should be exactly what you're looking at, The only movie that did it rightly - Postal (2007)

Giant Alan wake fan here, I passed on this digital only trash, nothing against the artist for this game. It’s anti consumerism to not offer anything for your physical fans. “It keeps cost down” for who? If you spent any amount of money digital titles… well you know what you are.