It’s a bold comparison. One is a product developed from scratch over years, the other is a re-engined plane in an attempt to extend it’s life line. From this point of view the A330 is holding up rather well against the fancy 787.

@CriticalRider

2 жыл бұрын

It's actually a quite interesting comparison, it shows you don't have to redesign a jet from the ground up to be efficient and competitive.

@explorenaked

2 жыл бұрын

True but consumers are consumers. Whether buying a phone or a plane, humans want the fanciest thing they can get. Bottom line, both are great and the competition is good as it keeps both companies on their toes. Always improving is a good thing.

@gregb1599

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah how did that work out like the 737 Max with it's very old airframe!

@XSAaron

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregb1599 comparing apples and screwdrivers, here. Nothing wrong at all with the airframe of the 737; the fact that the -200’s/300’s are still airworthy not to mention the utter lack of nearly any air frame related mishaps proves this. Maybe there’s some confusion on air frame vs total aircraft in aggregate? The Max’s main issue was never that it was a “bad design” per se, it’s that the human factors involved in its evolution were manipulated by those trusted to carry it out. To me, way worse than a bad design at the end of the day. It’s one thing to label something “bad” but that’s often subjugated for “I don’t like” or “I don’t agree with…” To be honest the MAX’s true design flaw (to me) was Boeing’s complacent attitude toward the entire project. The were doomed from the start. Alas…

@matthewbarrientos9016

2 жыл бұрын

One is also having issues until now, the other is flying without problem

The most insane fact is that on "traditional long haul routes" (meaning 8-10 hours flights) the A330NEO has a per seat fuel burn that's basically equal to the 787's one. Considering that the A330NEO is basically an A300 with new wings, new flight controls and a double engine upgrade, that just shows how the first Airbus was ahead of the game. Insane efficiency from a 50+ years old design.

@junxianglan2907

2 жыл бұрын

Where did you get this from? That's actually really cool

@ezrasianturi6159

2 жыл бұрын

agree man, i agree

@mrperfecto2758

2 жыл бұрын

I love Airbus, I never been in those models but the A320NEO and the 321NEO are amazing 👏

@gonzalosuarez4728

2 жыл бұрын

that's how my big appreciation for Airbus started, the A300 was a game changer, ahead of it's time

@chingweixion621

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. If airbus had targeted the NMA market with the A330neo, it would have been more successful.

Having the A350 as the big brother doesn’t make it easy for A330neo, the Dreamliner family in that sense also has a difficult time, competing with two different aircraft families. As a passenger, the 787 remains my favorite aircraft to fly on. The overhead lockers, the space, the big windows, the noises the Dreamliner makes, it’s all just beautiful. Then again, I like the 2-4-2 economy layout of the A330. Both aircraft have pros and cons for the passenger.

@artembraverman804

2 жыл бұрын

From my experience the windows are often locked or broken so don’t know if they are a plus, no matter the size.

@jahangiryounus6674

2 жыл бұрын

Boeing 787 and Airbus A350 XWB are not competitors. The A350 XWB competes directly with the Boeing 777 family while the 787 Dreamliner is in direct competition with the A330neo

@JetDom767

2 жыл бұрын

As you say both aircraft are compromised product wise, but the A350 was designed to compete with the 777-300ER and 777X whereas the A330 NEO was designed to compete with the 787

@faizierazali3494

2 жыл бұрын

a350 is competitor for b777

@oz_medias

Жыл бұрын

@@artembraverman804 I've never had window issues on a 787, my first choice to anywhere, I look for the plane not the time when choosing flight now. The lockout is just passenger comfort, and it''s a deep blue that works as a great filter for photography, especially over Iceland or snow capped mountains. It's not like it has a window shutter forced down, blocking all view. The size is great, I really notice the difference, especially in business cabins, which offer two windows (with WJ business cabin layout) then you have two very large windows, with the seat turned slightly toward then, a very relaxing experience. All the other benefits such as lower altitude cabin pressure and higher humidity make longer, transcontinental flights so much more bearable and greatly reduce jetlag, when crossing countless time zones.

As a solo traveller , I remember the time when I enjoyed more to travel in a 3-3-3 seating row (777) than in a 3-4-3 seating row(747). And now I enjoy more to travel in a 2-4-2 seating row (330) than in a 3-3-3 seating row ( 787) .

@charlesn787

Жыл бұрын

787 was meant for 2-4-2 seatings but greedy airlines crammed in 1 more. There are still some airlines that retain 2-4-2 seatings, most notably Asian airlines.

@stoje8405

Жыл бұрын

Then if you want to try 787, JAL is possibly the only airline that is worth the 787 experience due to 2-4-2 setup instead of 3-3-3, but who knows how long it will stay that way

For a solo long-haul I actively search for A330 routes. I must have a window and the 2-4-2 seat setup only gives me one person to climb over shld i need to get out in the middle of a 12hr flight. Give me any old a330 anyday over the a350 or any heavy Boeing.

Among these lovely 2 planes, I love NEOs. Try 2-4-2. That’d be my answer.

@lmlmd2714

2 жыл бұрын

2-4-2 any day. For longhaul I don't think anyone will ever come close to the economy experience on A340s - even flying on old PAL ones handed down from Iberia, it was a fantastic experience that the A330neo continues. Quiet, comfortable, civilized. The 787 is much more noisy and really cramped with the 3-3-3 layout.

@jameshayward8533

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 2-4-2 is much better!

@AdriantheSpotter

Жыл бұрын

2-4-2 is fun until you get assigned to the middle row.

@j134679

11 ай бұрын

​@@lmlmd2714 lol the Philippine carriers are using 3-3-3 on the 330neos. Good luck with that.

God this channel is best aviation channel ive ever discovered since 2019 ! The music the videos are just mind blowing AF Id love to hear the background music which was played at 2nd half of the video. Its really calming

Interesting video. Thanks 👍

This is a nice explanation

Difference between the A330 and 787? At time of writing, one has it's production suspended.

When I first saw the 787 in photos and heard how it was designed for point to point rather than hub & spoke flying, I assumed it was a narrow body. But then I heard it was a wide body and was more amazed by it's ability for long range point to point, learning how it was compatible with smaller airports than typical hub airports. It's more impressive to me because of what they achieved with a clean sheet design before Boeing's issues in recent years. The A330 neo does come across as more practical to me in a way though with its standardised parts and controls across multiple aircraft in the Airbus range. But these are just the opinions of a casual observer.

@apolloniaaskew9487

2 жыл бұрын

Boeing hit the direct point to point on target with the 787. Airbus was pushing the A380. Airbus was wrong.

@oz_medias

Жыл бұрын

I see standardized parts as the same old cash saver that Lee Iacocca did with Chrysler, where a base model K Car used the same parts as a top of the line New Yorker, Saves money but resulted in premium cars with base model chassis and engines. The only differences were bells and whistles added to the more premium interior of the New Yorker, more commonly known as lipstick on a pig, though perhaps a bit harsh in the case of the Airbus.

@aquaden8344

Жыл бұрын

@@apolloniaaskew9487 Nonsense - the engine manufacturers screwed Airbus and gave them an old technology engine with high fuel consumption. Then Boeing came and they got the more fuel efficient engines. Imagine an A380 with 15% better economics!!!! John Leahy published two articles in 2020 about this issue, take a look at it.

@user-wn6pr4qh5v

Жыл бұрын

@@aquaden8344 ok scare bus fan boy lol

@aquaden8344

Жыл бұрын

@@user-wn6pr4qh5v You sure? Then check, why the engines of the big twins are 10% to 15% more efficient than the A380 engines! Could it be, because the A380 had older technology engines? Well Einstein do the calculation. What would have happened, if the engines of the A380 would be 15% more efficient? It would be nice to use your brain before you put your stupid LOL into a reply, thank you.

Wow. This video is so good. I think both planes are good

A330NEO all day long. Not slating the 787 I just think that reputational damage, the fact it is still grounded & overall niggles, I would head for the A330NEO.

@AaronShenghao

2 жыл бұрын

As of May 2022, Boeing 787 are not grounded. There was a problem with quality control with North Carolina plant, deliveries from there was paused.

@aarongauldin2041

2 жыл бұрын

@@AaronShenghao South Carolina

@AdriantheSpotter

Жыл бұрын

The 787 was never grounded, the FAA ordered deliveries to stop from the south carolina plant. Everett built 787s have no issues.

I flew the 787 and a350 back-to-back, and what struck me as peculiar was that the 787 felt just like the 777, while the Airbus a350 felt like a new plane. I realize we're not comparing those two aircraft, but my point is that Boeing built a brand-new airplane, but it doesn't feel that comfortable. It provides the carrier's efficiency but doesn't seem to do much for passengers

@rajnirvan3336

8 ай бұрын

I agree with that 787 is similar to 777 as been on both myself. Last year went on B787-9 1st time was great and this year A350-1000. To me both very difficult to compare. My next aim is hopefully A330 NEO

@christodang

5 ай бұрын

Passenger comfort for the most part is determined by the airline and their choice of seating configuration, unless there were specific things about the A350 that made it stand out or things about the 787 that made it seem similar to the 777? I've personally found the 777 less comfortable than the 787 due to cabin pressurization and humidity levels on the newer 787 relative to some of the older 777s. The A350 also has these characteristics. The A350 is also the newest of those 3 aircraft so makes sense it'd be the most advanced even if Boeing has improved the 787 a bit over its lifetime.

I haven't been on these two aircrafts before, but what I liked most about the Airbus A330-900 is in fact its 2-4-2 seating configuration in Economy Class, which is perfect for passengers who want a direct aisle access.

787 for looks and sound A330 for comfort

@faizierazali3494

2 жыл бұрын

I think a330neo have better engine sound

@OptareOlympus93

2 жыл бұрын

I think a330neo have better looking

@9Y-MSBAviation

2 жыл бұрын

no

@faizierazali3494

2 жыл бұрын

It is

@9Y-MSBAviation

2 жыл бұрын

in your opinion

Good comparison.

I'm exited to fly on the 787 (Probably the 787-8 or 787-9) in November of this year on United's route KORD-EHAM.

@LongHaulbySimpleFlying

2 жыл бұрын

😊✈️

Does the A330neo come with ladders forgotten in the tail cone as well?

Airbus: How many seats do you want? Cebu Pacific: All of them

I think that existing A330-300 customers, such as the Cathay Pacific Group, the HNA Group, Air China, China Eastern, China Southern, EVA Air, Asiana Airlines, Thai Airways, Lufthansa, and SWISS should order the Airbus A330-900 to renew their existing fleet.

Try to include inner side wall temperature and noise level - two measures that I personally find interesting!

I'm not a Boeing or Airbus loyalist, I rather look at the planes. For example, with narrow body flights, I prefer the A320 family. It is just a bit wider, making it more comfortable, and seems quieter and more robust. But in this category, I give it to the 787. I love the big windows, the far better atmospheric pressure. I do not mind the 3-3-3 cabin, it is very comfortable. And they have such beautiful wings. This plane is a revolution and has changed the way we fly long haul. I live in Hawaii and Hawaiian is moving from the A330 to the 787. I can't wait to see what new routes that will open up for long haul flights with the 787's better range. Finally we will have nonstop to Melbourne and possibly Europe!

I just like both (Never had the chance to fly on any yet)

I like the extra large windows on the 787 :)

Very nice planes. Nice video. Keep up the good work. The A330neo might be doing well since the 787 is grounded.

When it comes to the Airbus A330, I have flown on it as a passenger. However, I never flew on an A330NEO due to the fact that this was a second generation of the A330. I'm expecting a quieter cabin on the A330NEO than the A330 just like with the Airbus A320NEO and Boeing 737 MAX with the engine upgrade if I were to fly on one. I hope I can have a chance flying on the A330NEO only if I am able to book a flight using it. Now when it comes to the Boeing 787, I flown on just once in my lifetime. I liked seeing the dimmable windows in action and the mood lighting in the interior. I hope I can have a chance to fly on the 787 again.

i can see it competitive with the 787 based on commonality.. availability..and discounts..and i love 2-4-2

Just so everyone knows, the information about the A330-800’s orders and deliveries stated in this video is completely wrong. At the moment 16 are scheduled to be built, the single prototype, and 15 ordered by airlines. There isn’t just 11 orders. And there hasn’t been 7 deliveries yet, there has been 4. 4 have been delivered to airlines (2 to Uganda Airlines, and 2 to Kuwait Airways). If you want to include the single prototype then you could say there has been 5 deliveries.

Economy Passengers; A330neo 8-abreast seats are more comfortable instead

@Ghost_Riley_TF141

2 жыл бұрын

and its more beautiful when doing a smooth landing cuz of the tilted landing gear, wheras 787 is like baby tilted landing gear

@ky.9705

2 жыл бұрын

That is real true. As a parents, I can lay down my kid. Or I can lay down, when there aren’t many pax. That’s the Beauty of 2-4-2 format. 3-3-3 is worst.

@khairunsyazwin

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! The best point

@mmm0404

Жыл бұрын

787 was designed for 8 abreast from the very beginning but airlines opted for 9 abreast , that's why the narrator said comparisons on passenger comfort are unfair. You can order the 787 with an 8 abreast ( wider than those on the a330neo ) so this is not up to Boeing but the airline

@mmm0404

Жыл бұрын

@@Ghost_Riley_TF141 personally I think the a330 looks bloated and is ugly. It's fuselage tilts a bit forward and is not even . The 787 looks like a sleek sports car with its sexy looking wings. Lol Never compare the a330 looks to the 787. Even the 767 looks better than the a330

I haven’t flown in the A339 but from my experience on the B789 , it’s incredibly quiet . I absolutely love it , hope to be on its flight deck in the coming years ✈️

@rajnirvan3336

Жыл бұрын

I recently flew on B787-9 found it awesome. I'm awaiting A350 and soon A330 NEO

@jefdepijper4550

Жыл бұрын

B787 is old & loud, airbus is the best

@rajnirvan3336

Жыл бұрын

@@jefdepijper4550 to me that's very debatable

The a330 neo Vs 787 is like the max 10 Vs a321neo just the other way round

@lmlmd2714

2 жыл бұрын

Except the A330 doesn't fly itself into the ground ;)

@MaxwellAerialPhotography

2 жыл бұрын

And?

While I would say the 787 is the better plane technically as a pilot and passenger I prefer the A330 neo. You get more space per passenger and as a pilot you get a side stick and a tray table. I do like the 787 crew rest area though.

@aquaden8344

Жыл бұрын

Exact my thought - fancy composite design with anachronistic cockpit layout. The A330 cockpit looks cleaner, and it looks more like a workstation of a systems manager or plant manager. It's a step ahead from Boeings steering wheel and thousand knobs, lights, and little switches.

@michaelmurphy6687

Жыл бұрын

@Roger ok. The 787 is only lighter, more efficient, quieter, lower cabin altitude, better take off and landing performance. But you know whatever you say. That all said I would rather have the 330neo due to the cabin / cockpit layout and fleet simplification. They are both great airplanes just for different reasons.

Something I miss in this comparison is the additional comfort the 787 provides, with the higher pressure in the cabin and the humidification system. Otherwise pretty good assessment. The A330-900 seems like a great option for budget airlines who don't have business class and don't need the additional range and freight capacity.

@MrOstereier

2 жыл бұрын

so the comfort provieded by the 787 is a smaller steat and lower cabin pressure, no1 gives aF about some miniscule increase of lung comprimation if them asses wont fit in the seat...

@CheapBastard1988

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrOstereier The seat size and leg room is dependent of the airline. And the higher pressure and humidity in the 787 makes you feel less tired, less flatulent and less thirsty during a long flight. The extra humidity is also much more pleasant for passengers using contact lenses.

Wonder If Cebu pacific will fly to Stansted with their a330 neo

Me, I'm located towards the islands of the Indian Ocean where the competition is phenomenal. There are several companies that allow me to go to France including Corsair, Air Austral, Frenchbee and Air France. I often go to Paris in 787-8 for 9 hours of flight and in A330neo for 10 hours of flight, and I prefer the 3-3-3 of the 787 Air austral which is more comfortable than the 3-3-3 from corsair (A330neo ). Wider seats and more spacious cabin, but on the other hand I like the Corsair A330neo cabin better, which is livelier, more modern and a little quieter. Both of these planes are amazing and each has its strengths and weaknesses. With the 787 from Air austral I feel comfortable physically and with the A339 from Corsair I feel comfortable mentally

If a330Neo built with new composite wing and more engin option it will better sale

A330neo is my favorite :)

I am yet to fly on the A350 but as most of my flights are cattle class, it comes down to space. For instance I prefer flying on the 787 rather than the 737. I have little choice but take the aircraft that are provided to suit my holiday.

@charlesn787

Жыл бұрын

737 seatings are horrible. A320 is much nicer

I would hazard a guess, as operators seek replacement A330 CEOs, A330 NEO orders will increase as it is a far cheaper option in the background to gain the similar benefits

@broddsaviation5471

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that the A330Neo have the same systems as the A330ceo’s (except the new engines and wings) The 787 on the other hand makes maintenance easier, smoother, cheaper and quicker since most pneumatic and some hydraulic systems with electrical systems

@FireAspect1202

3 ай бұрын

​@@broddsaviation5471More of a reason the get the NEO if they've flew the CEO before since it has the same systems retraining the pilots wont cost or take time that much compared to training them to a new aircraft and plus they can effeciently maintain the NEO better since they have experience with the CEO before

I think more should have been discussed regarding maintenance costs. I'd be very surprised if the 787's maintenance costs were not much higher than those of the A330. I mean, how do you repair a composite material hull after it's been struck by a resupply truck on the tarmac? After all, this type of incident happens very often. I have flown on Air Canada's 787, both the -8 and -9. It may be caused by Air Canada's poor cabin design, but I will go out of my way to avoid these planes in the future. They are very uncomfortable. I have flown on the legacy A330, -200 (Air Transat - 9 seats across) and -300 (Air Transat 9 seats across and Air Canada 8 seats across) and I find them much more comfortable than Air Canada's 787s.

@aquaden8344

Жыл бұрын

They are, especially when you look at the taped up wings of the 787.

@broddsaviation5471

Жыл бұрын

The thing with the 787’s is that their maintenance is super low due to the change of pneumatic and hydraulic systems being replaced with electrical systems which makes it easier and cheaper to repair and replace (which cuts both time and economic costs down by a lot)

@robertmainville4881

Жыл бұрын

@@broddsaviation5471 The A330 is also fly-by-wire, so my premiss remains.

@broddsaviation5471

Жыл бұрын

@@robertmainville4881 I’m not talking about the FBW system, I’m talking about the functional systems

@aquaden8344

Жыл бұрын

@@broddsaviation5471 Then list it in percent how much lower the maintenance is compared to an A350 for example. Electrical systems need maintenance as well, and an air conditioning system for the cabin is distributing air and not electricity. I would be also curious how many of the servo drives moving the control surfaces have been replaced through electrical drives? The big difference I see is the monstrous generator and the huge LiPo accu replacing the bleed air for cabin pressure. There are some other places, somebody claimed the wheel breaks are getting actuated electrically instead of hydraulically, but that would represent another heat source in an area, that is getting hot already by the break-discs, so it sounds a little strange. But you're the expert, so you now tell, how much less maintenance is need by percentage compared to legacy planes.

A330-800 is better than 787-8 but 787-9 is better than A330-900 I feel in this way

@Aviationlanka27

2 жыл бұрын

true

@chingweixion621

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting. I'd had always thought it to be the other way around since the A330-900 has gathered more order than the B787-9 since the A330neo was launched. *you really have to exclude the 1000+ order the B787 gathered before the launch of the A330neo.

@tomaviation5245

2 жыл бұрын

If you see specification wise, the 800 is better than -8 but the orders for the a330-800 is less because the ceo -200 is still not very old.

@chingweixion621

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomaviation5245 spec wise, I've always felt the A330-800 was over spec. The market needed a 250pax aircraft with shorter range and significantly better fuel economics than the B787-8, but instead airbus made the A338 range much longer and took the penalty on the fuel economics. Under all payload and range, the A338 consistently fall behind the B787-8. The only aspect the A338 won against the B787-8 is their short field takeoff, hence the reason why Uganda air, air Greenland and Kuwait Airways are its customers. Garuda Airways actually ordered it hoping to launch new service direct from Bali DPS to Europe, hence again requiring the superior takeoff performance. Only the A330-800 has the ability to take off from Bali DPS fully loaded.

I'm not gonna partial to this competition just because people saying "Airbus is better". Both are really great planes, and both serve different purposes for airlines, but If we compare them by numbers, 787-9 is the overall winner.

@RuhjedVentula

2 жыл бұрын

For an airline not spending retraining for the current pilots to fly a new aircraft type is the main factor

I think it’s very dependant in subjective terms, more on the age and service life of the particular planes you’re on. My last 787 flight, about 30% of the overhead bins had rattling doors which really irritated me. Toilet door kept popping open throughout the flight, despite being locked. My seat, along with my daughters, creaked like a old bed frame. There was horrible engine whine and on take off it sounded like a bag of nails. It took the shine off a little. Compared to the A330 Neo I got off this morning, which was very quiet, well built and very comfortable. I know which I would pick for a long ride based on that comparison! But then again, I might end up on a rough A330 and a perfect 787 next time, so it’s always subject to change. I’m still a little nervous about the 737 crashes, 787 quality failures and Boeings desperation in hiding issues that affected safety. That bothered me and still does. Airbus isn’t perfect by any standard, but I’m still a little uncomfortable. I’m booked on a Max flight tomorrow so I’m trying not to think about it 😂

@davemiller6055

Жыл бұрын

That is an issue of airline maintenance, not build quality. The Dreamliner is light years ahead of the A330. I've flown on the MAX several times. Not a problem.

@AdriantheSpotter

Жыл бұрын

seats and doors seem like an airline maintenance issue

The 330 neo does borrowed a few design from the 350, just like the 350 did from 380.

Being 7 years newer, I believe the flight systems on the cockpit might benefit the A330neo. But since these are fly-by-wire aircraft, Boeing might be upgrading current 787s as well.

The Dreamliner is supposed to be the perfect mid-sized widebody,if it were not for the quality-control problems of the South Carolina facility.

@apolloniaaskew9487

2 жыл бұрын

You ain't lying. Some airlines refused the South Carolina made jets. Before the 787 line was closed in Everett, they had to correct Charleston mistakes.

@magical_catgirl

2 жыл бұрын

@@apolloniaaskew9487 They still do. Boeing hasn't delivered a 787 since mid 2021 and has 115 completed aircraft awaiting delivery. The FAA won't allow them to be delivered because of the problems from North Charleston - including aircraft built in Everett prior to the line being closed and deferred due to the pandemic. American Airlines has reduced service on a number of routes because they are waiting for dozens of 787s. Qantas has delayed resuming suspended routes for another 3 months because they can't get their 3 undelivered 787s currently sitting in Victorville.

The 787-9 use less fuel, has more range, and can carry more cargo, and the difference in passengers is small. It's not hard to see why the 787 is the better aircraft.

@faizierazali3494

2 жыл бұрын

The difference between a330neo and 787 fuelburn is only 2%

@mrperfecto2758

2 жыл бұрын

Airbus all the time

@Jet-Pack

2 жыл бұрын

The seating arrangement makes a bit difference for passengers

@gregb1599

2 жыл бұрын

@@faizierazali3494 The difference between a clean aircraft and a dirty aircraft is smaller than that but still saves a shit load of money to the airlines!

@faizierazali3494

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregb1599 lol its like you mentioning b737 max over a320

You should do that with the A359 vs B789

Disappointed there wasn't more detail of the fuel economy comparison between the types

@LongHaulbySimpleFlying

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback! - LR

are they both safe by I’m about to get on a airbus 330 new 900 😅😅

A330 new issa beauty

Honestly it depends on one person's point of view. If you are a fan of future aviation and in love with fancy technologies, the 787 is a great example to fly on; however, if you prefer oldschool nostalgic classic experience or if you are a 90's kid or 2000's kid, the A330neo is your aircraft to go.

I flew an Air Canada Boeing 787 Dreamliner on a 4.5 hr. flight across Canada in March 2022. It was smooth and comfortable until landing. It rattled and shook on landing and not impressive. On the return flight, we were on an older Airbus model. It was quieter, more solid and landed without the same rattling and shaking as the Boeing eventhough it was a much older aircraft. As a passenger, I have generally preferred the Airbus offerings for these reasons.

My favorite plane is the A330-900neo.

Never flown on the a330 neo before but personally I nvr like flying the 787! Just my personal liking to airbuses esp their a380s and a350s.

Fascinating one of the arguments people use for the A330 vs 787 is the fact that A330 has wider seats and a preferable 2-4-2 in Economy compared to a 3-3-3 in the 787, but that's more of a airline choice thing. It's not really Boeing's decision what an airline puts in terms of configuration. Japan Airlines seems to make it work with very low density 787's in a 2-4-2, but many full-service carriers would probably prefer the extra capacity and don't think the average punter will be that interested in the difference in seat. If you put to bed the program delays and groundings, the cheaper price, higher range, better cargo capacity, and better efficiency (subjective topic) makes the 787 the winner. But if you compare the of Boeing's widebodies (including one's in production) to the A350... well Boeing gets KO'd pretty easily.

@fduran6993

2 жыл бұрын

I would like to know what is the real price of A3330 neo compared to 787.

There doesn’t need to be a which is best. Both planes have their own strengths (and drawbacks). Both are modern and provide savings in fuel burn as well as a comfortable, smooth ride for passengers. Why is it always an Airbus v Boeing thing?

the 787 is the best example for over ingeneering.

@gregb1599

2 жыл бұрын

And Airbus have side sticks that have caused crashes due to one pilot stalling the aircraft and no one noticing at least the Boeing you would clearly see one pilot doing that, although the next gen Airbus apparently will fix that problem

As an Airbus fanboy, the 787-9 is hands down the best, no argument.

@IBo99608

2 жыл бұрын

No it isn't. Not even slightly

@ferrixify

2 жыл бұрын

Obviously there is no doubt in your fanboyism of AIrbus

@gasviation9077

2 жыл бұрын

gotta experience the 2-4-2 on the a330 instead of the cramped 3-3-3

@AdriantheSpotter

Жыл бұрын

@@gasviation9077787 has a wider cabin though

@AdriantheSpotter

Жыл бұрын

@@IBo99608airframe sales say otherwise. just saying. the A330neo is barely selling. the 787 has sold over 1,000 airframes.

From the passenger’s point of view I can say that 787 is the most comfortable airliner at the moment. I haven’t flown 330 neo yet, but I have already experienced A350 and the Dreamliner was much better for me in terms of design and comfort of passenger cabin

@rikusbenecke2122

9 ай бұрын

Was it the same airline for both aircraft?

@thickboi7570

7 ай бұрын

Passenger comfort can vary with the airlines It’s not mainly the aircraft

Got to ride the 787 hopefully get a chance to ride an a330 some day

I love the new Air Canada livery....

I travel on aircraft monthly on both aircraft however in the last 3 months will only book with a carrier that flies the a330 the 787 aircraft are falling apart inside both in economy and business class

I always viewed the a330 as the 767's rival.

@10293

2 жыл бұрын

And then the 767 was replaced by the 787 for new passenger models therefore making the A330 a rival to the 787

When comparing two things, the word is “Better”. It’s Comparative vs Superlative.

im surprised airlines would pay more for the a330... except for availability...and maybe discounts....i love 2-4-2

No mention of the fact that the Dreamliner is pressurized to 7000 ft, rather than the 330’s 8000 ft. This makes a big difference in passenger comfort on long distance flights.

@lmlmd2714

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I find the A330 a *much* more comfortable aircraft. The 2-4-2 layout and really quiet cabin make for a much better economy ride than the 787, where 3-3-3 is pretty cramped, and noisy AF. For a supposedly more modern plane, it's horribly unrefined.

@JackJohnson3119

Жыл бұрын

@@lmlmd2714 Yeah nah when I flew on a Dreamliner it was a lot smoother and quieter to my last A330 flight. Which was old, cabin rattling and just not a great experience overall. 787 >

@yenyong5965

Жыл бұрын

yes, for long distance. 787 is better and more comfortable.

@LittleGenevieve

Жыл бұрын

The a340 is pressurised to 6000ft, I miss that plane 😢

@sloeginandsleep1170

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s very dependant, more on the age and service life of the particular planes you’re on. My last 787 flight, about 30% of the overhead bins had rattling doors which really irritated me. My seat, along with my daughters, creaked like a old bed frame. There was horrible engine whine too. It took the shine off a little. Compared to the A330 Neo I got off this morning, which was very quiet, well built and very comfortable. I know which I would pick for a long ride based on that comparison!

The 787 has larger cabin windows. The A350 should be mentioned. By recent standards the small cabin windows for the A330neo could be an issue. Thank goodness Airbus launched the A350.

Has the 330 had a stop sell imposed by the FAA?

One important question you missed, overlooked , bypassed was which aeroplane, as a passenger, would you feel safer flying on. I know my preference and it ain't from the USA.

@banksrail

2 жыл бұрын

Because we weren’t looking at the planes from a passengers point of view, were we?

@soloperformer5598

2 жыл бұрын

@@banksrail Don't you think you should?

one isn't suffering from quality control issue......looking at you boeing :)

@nickolliver3021

Жыл бұрын

and?

A330neo is my choice. I absolutely hate the 787 tinted windows.

@benwilson6145

2 жыл бұрын

Agree totally

@gregb1599

2 жыл бұрын

Why? Tint means even when dark you can still see out, shades if closed that's it nothing

@benwilson6145

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregb1599 Maybe try it in practice! Maybe you have laser eyes? A Blind you make the choice not some entitled crew member!

@gregb1599

2 жыл бұрын

@@benwilson6145 Well if it's abused then yes, however good airlines and crew will give you the choice. But at the end of the day, when booking your ticket choose the aircraft you prefer, I for one will never book a 737 Max and that is my choice

@SpottingTLV

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregb1599 Yah but the crew can control it making it extremely frustrating. Plus they never get fully bright and have this weird tan tint when on max brightness.

When comparing two: which is *better*?

B787 fly more, carry more, is cheaper and looks beautiful! That's an easy one! Please don't trust me, see the selling numbers!

@simondahl5437

2 жыл бұрын

The 787 has also been in operation for almost 3 times as long. So operating and usage isn’t a very good metric

@aquaden8344

2 жыл бұрын

Comments like yours make me want to see into Boeing’s books and assess the real earnings/losses on the 787 program!

@soup1029

2 жыл бұрын

@@simondahl5437 not to mention the 787 hasn’t even been delivered to airlines for a year

@simondahl5437

2 жыл бұрын

And it has a lower exit limit

@aquaden8344

Жыл бұрын

@@Rami358able Have you ever considered the economics of the A330-800? Every plane has a MTOW. The more load on passenger there is, the lesser fuel can be carried. The more fuel is loaded, the lesser passengers can be loaded .

I would personally compare the 787 and the a350

@frenzferraren9990

2 жыл бұрын

Who do you think would win?

I just think Lufthansa/Swiss and Brussels airlines should’ve gone for a339 as it is familiar

I thought the a350 was the competitor for 787

One point that isn't mentioned here is how Boeing might never make a profit on the 787 program due to various delays and too much outsourcing (even the wings are built by external suppliers!) while the 330 will definitely be profitable for Airbus.

Yay I'm early

@horiginsfs7561

2 жыл бұрын

Me toi

@horiginsfs7561

2 жыл бұрын

Too*

@LNYT-Aviation

2 жыл бұрын

gg

Haven't flown an A330neo so far. The Dreamliner is quite loud and you can actually feel the turbulence shaking it all over. (Flown on Turkish Airlines 787-9 from istanbul to Atlanta and back for over 10 hours). I do like the raked wingtips though and electronic dimming windows.

@andrewkenobi9486

2 жыл бұрын

Dreamliner that’s loud and shaky?? Exact opposite for me every time I fly on one

@a_man_has_no_name

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewkenobi9486 yup i was quite surprised about it too. It's been said that it handles turbulence like a breeze but not when I was on it (both ways) and the noise was horrible (I was seated next to the wing)

@rin13955

Жыл бұрын

@Andrew Kenobi they're probably talk about the hydraulic noise during take offs and landings which obviously don't go through out the whole flight

@sergiolaurencio7534

8 ай бұрын

​@a_man_has_no_name it probably was the hydraulic sound kzread.info/dash/bejne/hGGMx9Kgga7XmNY.htmlfeature=shared. The advice is that you avoid that Aerea of seating if you can. More up mean the real experience.

The 787 has changed the ways aircraft are manufactured, and many of its design elements are making their way into aircraft that are being built now. That legacy would never be erased. Any issues with the are are things that are to be expected with a new design, and it hasn't hampered the popularity of the aircraft with airlines and passengers.

Of course, a330

This is a really stupid question, as the a330 is one of airbuses most popular planes & a worthy competitor to the Boeing 767, while the Boeing 787 NightmareLiner was supposed to be a replacement for the 767, but has become Boeing's worst airplane. Both the 777 and a350 are larger, more efficient, and MUCH more popular than the NightmareLiner.

Alternative title: A350 concept vs 787

The A330 is more comfortable as a passenger, because most 787s have 9 across 3-3-3 in a cabin designed for 8 across in 2-4-2. Also, and just a minor point, A330s can be delivered whereas the 787 is still struggling with production, quality control, and certification issues.

@simonkue

2 жыл бұрын

so your blaming Boeing for the seat congratulation....? might want to take that up with the airline instead...

@gasviation9077

2 жыл бұрын

@@simonkue so there are only 3 airlines with 2 4 2 in a 787, and boeing had made the 787 slightly wider to have this awkward 3 3 3 config that is cramped as hell.

@simonkue

2 жыл бұрын

@@gasviation9077 So that's Boeing's Fault for Airlines to sardine everyone up..Gotcha

@pushslice

Жыл бұрын

9-across A330neo is now already in service , tho certainly in general still catching up to 787’s use of it. But who doubts that now that the dam’s broken , more airlines will implement 9-across with future 330 deliveries? Not me.

It’s a nice ✈️

Air india and Virgin Atlantic London to delhi has 17.5inch seats in economy I flew both and dread it

Why it’s not have Thai airasiax a330neo

A350 & A330 neo are the best choices. Good to Delta for their remarkable choice

I personnally love the 787 family.

Since you are British.. what would you drive a modern Aston Martian or Jag or a 1900 Vauxhall astra estate. The two most critical factors for any airframe design is the WING efficiency and engines fuel consumption. Every thing else is secondary. 787 is by far is the future in airframe designs..

The A330 is and will always be the Butter Machine!!

The 14% fuel reduction is key here. Fuel and staff are the two largest costs for all airlines but no union will ever allow one fifth in salary reduction.

787 has more composite materials. Newer and better in terms of aesthetics. I've tried a Qatar airways economy class 787 and it was better than Qatar's A350-900. I think the loo is bigger too.

@FlightAirplane

Жыл бұрын

Why? I'm a 787 lover and am curious as to why.

@brakinglate8828

Жыл бұрын

@@FlightAirplane maybe because I was in the middle seat in the A350 while I was at the window in the 787. Idk. Just felt a bit more comfy. I think the seat were different too.

@FlightAirplane

Жыл бұрын

@@brakinglate8828 Too bad they are making it a 3-4-3/ Honestly I still prefer the 787 even when the a350 is 9 abreast.

a330 cruise speed is wrong, normal cruise is 0.82 and max is 0.86

I love the 787 flew twice with American and Aeromexico

A330 my favorite in msfs2020

I’m surprised that 787 is cheaper than A330neo in catalog price

I like the A330, A350, A380.