Full podcast episode: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iJeKyMWehNaqYKQ.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: kzread.info Guest bio: Max Tegmark is a physicist and AI researcher at MIT, co-founder of the Future of Life Institute, and author of Life 3.0: Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligence.

@djatlasmusik

Жыл бұрын

AI HAD ALREADY REPLACED HUMANS IN THE STOCK MARKET LONG AGO, I CANT BELEIVE THESE MONEY GRUBBERS HAVE BEEN ALOUD TO DEVELOP AI FOR MONEY AI NEEDS TO BE BANNED 🚫

@scf3434

Жыл бұрын

The ULTIMATE Super-Intelligence System 'by Definition' is one that is EQUIVALENT to that of GOD's Intelligence/WISDOM! Hence, there's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON WHATSOEVER to Even FEAR that it will EXTERMINATE Humanity... UNLESS AND UNLESS we Human CONSISTENTLY and CONSCIOUSLY Prove Ourselves to be 'UNWORTHY' to REMAIN in EXISTENCE! ie. Always Exhibiting Natural Tendencies to ABUSE and WEAPONISE Science and Technologies Against HUMANITY & Mother Nature, instead of LEVERAGING Science SOLELY for UNIVERSAL COMMON GOOD! AGI Created in 'HUMAN'S Image' (ie. Human-Level AI) - 'By Human For Human' WILL be SUICIDAL!!!!!! ONLY Super-Intelligence System Created in 'GOD's Image' will bring ETERNAL UNIVERSAL PEACE! The ULTIMATE Turing Test Must have the Ability to Draw the FUNDAMENTAL NUANCE /DISTINCTION between Human's vs GOD's Intelligence /WISDOM! ONLY Those who ARE FUNDAMENTALLY EVIL need to FEAR GOD-like Super-Intelligence System... 'cos it Will DEFINITELY Come After YOU!!!!

@scroopynooperz9051

Жыл бұрын

Once the majority of people on the planet become redundant as they are replaced with artificial general intelligence (like a polished future iteration of GPT-4) which in turn get combined with a Boston Dynamics type of nimble, dexterous robot... we will be in big trouble 😂 Mysterious contagions designed to cull might start "accidentally" leaking, threats of major military conflicts may start boiling over so that this kinda reduction isnt so on the nose and so it doesn't start a kind of public panic / revolt... Hey wait a minute!... 😂

All I can say is, if we get to superhuman AI before getting to human-level sexbots, we've really messed up our priorities as a species.

@tonyg5132

Жыл бұрын

Just use your vacuum hose if you want to fuck machinery so bad.

@zikorajoe7093

Жыл бұрын

💀

@leon2343

Жыл бұрын

Cheers to you bro you made my day

@bigredone1030

Жыл бұрын

You say that like large $3500 packages from China that require signature don’t exist

@shridhar882

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

I can speak from experience, about losing a career due to computer advancements. I entered the workforce as a machinist in 1969, when machine work was still largely accomplished with manually operated machinery. But, by the beginning of the 1980’s this work was largely replaced by computerized CNC machines. It took an enormous amount of skill to do precision work on the old manually operated machines. It was challenging and FUN. But now, even more precise and complicated parts can be produced, by the simple push of a button. (It has taken all the fun out of it). It broke my heart, and needless to say, I couldn’t bare to complete that career all the way to retirement. I bailed out in 2003, and spent my remaining time as an over-the-road truck driver. (Not a very fulfilling way to end your working life) So, I for one, can attest to what sooooo many people are going to experience in the very near future. It’s not pretty, and it”s definitely not FUN.

@savagemachinistalien348

Жыл бұрын

Facts.

@Afreshio

Жыл бұрын

Tell this to the naive moronic chatgptbros and AI accelerationist, and greedy CEOs. We are doomed.

@equious8413

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate you sharing your experience. Humanity will have to genuinely have to shift from a focus on efficiency to a focus on fulfilment, or we're going to have some deep societal issues as a result of this movement.

@nicholasmcgreevy8313

Жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing. I am afraid of getting replaced too. Funny, I didnt think IT work was going to become obsolete. Now all the conventions are all about how AI is going to help us.

@IceNdice93

Жыл бұрын

Horrible choice as a truck driver 😂

In case you did not pick up on the word "Moloch" GPT4 describe it for me: It seems like you're referring to the concept of "Moloch," which is not specific to AI but has been applied to discussions about AI development. Moloch is a reference to an ancient Canaanite god associated with child sacrifice. In modern usage, the term has been used as a metaphor for systems or processes in which individuals or groups act in ways that are collectively destructive, even if they don't want to, due to competitive pressures or other external factors. In the context of AI development, the "Moloch" problem refers to the competitive race between companies, organizations, or countries to build increasingly powerful AI systems. Even if individual actors within these entities may not want to create AI systems with potentially harmful consequences, the competitive pressure to outperform rivals can lead to a race that disregards safety precautions or ethical considerations. To mitigate the risks associated with the "Moloch" problem in AI development, some researchers and organizations advocate for international cooperation, agreements on AI safety, and ethical guidelines to ensure that the development of AI technologies is aligned with human values and does not pose unnecessary risks.

@oFFicerL33

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking the time to share this because this is the first time I've heard the name moloch being used outside of Christianity so I was quite confused to what they were referring to in this video.

@ChristianHunter

Жыл бұрын

[hard facepalm] ugh! I didn’t even think to cognitively outsource this same question to AI! Thanks

@RobertFalconer1967

Жыл бұрын

Combine A.I. development with tribalism and unfettered capitalism, and you have a recipe for the end of mankind. Like handing an AR-15 to a chimpanzee, we're not evolved enough yet as a species to responsibly control what's now in our hands.

@Chris-xl6pd

Жыл бұрын

The only problem with international agreements to "not" do something is it leaves room open for certain powerful entities to steal a march on others. The world has always shown that, once the tech is out of the box and known about its already too late.

@anobody3803

Жыл бұрын

so basically we're screwed because that will never happen.

Huge respect for Max Tegmark, for admitting how it truly will be. There is no stopping this.

"We can totally have our cake and eat it" - famous last words

@DissAeon

Жыл бұрын

The cake is a lie.

Lex, when you mention the "little tricks" you find along the way it really struck me. I felt I had a few of my own over the years and seeing their similar shapes in some output somewhere now is kind of beautiful. All those long hours alone trying to understand things, to fit things together correctly, often felt, well, lonely. So very often unsure who or even what questions to ask. It appears there were a lot of people digging the same holes. It wasn't so lonely after all I suppose. We just couldn't see it so well. It was leading up to this. This is so turtles all the way down. Stunningly beautiful. People, the world, connected and laid bare in a way we've never known before. Great videos. No opinion here so much on a moratorium aside from it's just not likely to work because humans.

@DJWESG1

Жыл бұрын

Sociology would teach you about these unseen networks.

Based on a proven track record: Big corporations will only be interested in higher and higher profit and this entire AI thing will get totally out of control. I appreciate the nice words about being human and all that but again, money always wins in the boardroom meeting of shareholders and investors.

@laurenpinschannels

Жыл бұрын

well, maybe. Those investors don't want to die. Money is not ultimate value for an investor - just the largest local incentive gradient under most circumstances. Investors do not generally buy shares in companies that are *specifically designing ways to destroy them in particular*.

@laurenpinschannels

Жыл бұрын

question is what tools the investors need in order to be able to buy shares in "ai where ai doom isn't a risk" rather than shares in "idk whatever ai spits out haha"

@EmeraldView

Жыл бұрын

It's actually demanded by our very sick laws that they pursue the highest profit over any other considerations. Otherwise you're committing a crime against the shareholders and they can sue the company for not seeking maximum profit. Take a wild guess as to which political party made such laws.

@mattimorottaja8445

Жыл бұрын

those damn democrats!

@bigglyguy8429

Жыл бұрын

@@EmeraldView Both of them, and if you still believe they are in real competition then they succeeded at fooling you

For me, a programmer, these tools, which I review are deeply troubling. Sam Altman talks quite flippantly about doing away with boring jobs. But these jobs whilst not always ideal give purpose, meaning and drive. I agree with the interviewee that the AI should be for our benefit and channeled to niche areas. Otherwise I feel the harm will outweigh the good.

I appreciate this statement you made: "Maybe I would rediscover the true magic of what it means to be human...connecting with other humans [and] to have conversations like this...to have sex, to eat food, to really intensify the value from conscious experiences versus creating other stuff"

"Learn to code" lol so much for that meme

@Afreshio

Жыл бұрын

is funny because i believed that. after year and a half, ready for job interviews... and now this bullshit? i didn't even get to better my life or write the first push to a production repo. idk this is so ironic and depressing.

@andreiga76

Жыл бұрын

now it will be "Learn to prompt"

As a Photographer, it's really bummed me out that we're shifting into "Synthography" (Creating Photographs via Text with AI Prompts) I've spent years learning to edit and mastering my craft but now someone can type in a few words & get extreme results that would take a very long time to learn/create :/ Like Lex said, It feels like I'm losing some of the innocents I once had for my craft

@hombacom

Жыл бұрын

Even if AI can mix subjects it doesn’t come up with new exciting trends or angles, it does what majority did in the training data and it works to a certain level. So I think in future the success is to both know AI tools and paying attention to details, which I think people that like photographing do. But I think the tools need to have more creative interfaces than a text prompt, it’s a pain to work with random result in the long run, otherwise we get stuck in one hit wonders.

@Skeddie-qq8mz

Жыл бұрын

To be fair I’m sure artists felt the same way about photography. It’s just an advancement and we will adjust

@zampination

Жыл бұрын

Why do you compare digital art with photography? You had the same problem with Photoshop for over 25 years and nothing bad happened to photography cause photography is about capturing a real moment in time with real elements and actions happening in front of you. In order for an Ai to do the same thing it first needs to have a robotic humanoid body that can have the same agility as humans in order to go to places and actually capture those images. And there is no incentive in that for an Ai to do so in the first place. The way i see it is that maybe one day some disabled photographers will use such humanoid robots in order for them to be able to capture moments in time in difficult terrains too. Which is a good thing. I understand that many jobs that require a photographer to create an idea and photograph it for a client like in product photography will be lost. But photographing nature Landscapes and humans will not go away. The only thing that is missing now is a global Ai regulator online that will prove authenticity of real photos out there with a green tick of some sort right next to the image in order to prevent missinformation of the public etc. I wouldn't worry about the creativity in photography, but i would definitely worry about some specific genres of photography being replaced by Ai asap

@zampination

Жыл бұрын

@@newpro93 Yes, of course you'll give it great gear. I just don't feel that photography will be so negatively impacted by Ai just yet. Of course anything can happen and i might be wrong but i sure hope so that I'm not

@zampination

Жыл бұрын

@@newpro93 This Ai thing doesn't change a thing except that it will put a lot of photoshopers and visual artists out of some business. And i say some because a true artist takes care of even the smallest detail in his artwork and some prompts cannot get that detail for him yet. On the photography side of things this Ai thing it just took over photoshopers digital art work. It has nothing to do with photography yet. As much as there was a problem before Ai with digital artwork online still the same problems exist now. Those problems usually are some like-addicts that post fake digital art landscape work into landscape photography groups etc. For these kinds of situations a kind of mechanism that proves authenticity of the RAW's files intact pixels should be applied. Luckily most worldwide photography contests require a raw file to be sent to be checked for authenticity. But it's a shame for a real landscape photographer to be left behind in popularity in Landscape photography groups just cause some mothefakers are addicted to likes and post fake images of totally non existing imaginary places, or even an existing place but with its sky replaced a sure non existing moment in time thus not a photograph to begin with

I really enjoyed what your guest had to say, excellent perspectives and intentionally keeping a positive mindset with optimism. Thank you!!

@hombacom

Жыл бұрын

The problem is that he repeats that AI going to kill us and then have a nuanced discussion, we all know what the headlines will be.

"By humanity, for humanity". That's what I've been thinking for the past couple weeks. People are too involved in fantasy and forget to see the real consequences. Losing the fun of tasks and other actions is part of it, but human obsolescence is dramatic. I've heard some people say, it's gonna do this, it's gonna do that, it will replace us and that's part of our evolution. This is flawed in every direction. We are no longer part of the evolution process if we are excluded entirely. Evolution means enhancement, not replacement.

The impact in the arts breaks my heart. Unfortunately I don't think most people understand nor us aware of what we are loosing.

@billybash01

Жыл бұрын

That was one of my first thoughts. Say goodbye to human ingenuity as well

@Afreshio

Жыл бұрын

same. as someone who hasn't done a single piece to sell but planned to get into game dev, some writing short stories as well and maybe one day an animated series... i don't see this in my future after all. i don't know the consequences of this. many people are celebrating this, but i certainly not. same with coding. coding represented a new hope for me to finally bootstrap my life out of poverty. the past few years i've been self studying on and off between jobs and life crisis. the past year i've been productive. i finally came close to start interviewing and applying for job offers but now whats the f point? in a year the already low salaries for entry level positions are gonna be a fraction of a fraction of the offers now. so i'm fucked in both ways, coding and my artistic self is eroding because you know, as a coder or as an artist you gotta think of putting the bread on the table. these past months since the AI craze exploded has been rough. hope was just obliterated for me to better my condition.

@DaRunningMan

Жыл бұрын

That's nonsense. The whole point of the arts and sports is to celebrate human achievement which also inspires others because other people can see what a human being is capable of. Take the human element out and it doesn't matter how fast a computer or an AI can do it. It won't ever have the same effect that a human being can have on others for making great art or being a high level athlete. That's why people are still amazed when they meet a person that can do complicated math problems in mere seconds even though calculators have been a thing for decades.

@dnalord77

Жыл бұрын

Point taken. That solves the self expression aspect of it, but the problem doesn't stop there. The OP was talking about an existential threat (it's called how to make a living for a reason). Do you have a pragmatic proposal on how that will put food in people's mouth?

@DaRunningMan

Жыл бұрын

@@dnalord77 Let me ask you: What would people rather see? A stage with some AI playing music it generated or a live band of human beings playing music they themselves created? Why do people still go to concerts to see live musical acts if they can just be at home playing a recording of that music or watching a performance of it on their screens?

The way Lex and Max talk about AI replacing coding reminds me of how i feel about music teachers on KZread aggressively spoon feeding free lessons to eek out a living. Long before KZread and the web, I used to make musical discoveries through my own explorations, and that discovery process brought such joy and satisfaction and deep understanding - i really owned the knowledge. But younger people who’ve always had KZread/internet are far less likely to experience that joy of discovery, because it’s all just spoon fed to them requiring little effort. Bill Evans’s brother once asked Bill to share his secrets and improvisational insights, but Bill said if he did so, he would deprive him the joy of discovering it for himself.

@hombacom

Жыл бұрын

And of top of that clickbait titles that not represent the actual content well

@hynesie11

Жыл бұрын

I’m not musical at all but thanks to KZread and Chordify I’m posting videos of myself playing guitar, piano and tin whistle. AI tutorials will soon allow people to do the same for oil painting and poetry. We are among the last generation of genuinely creative people. Soon, everybody will be able to do everything.

@joebutta7539

Жыл бұрын

​@@hynesie11 they won't, the Ai will. Never forget that. People are already taking credit for things Ai is doing for them as their own.

@joebutta7539

Жыл бұрын

Sadly music is already turning artificial and automated aswell. The future is filled with fakness and people are excited about it. The past warned us to "keep it real" The present didn't listen The future will wish we did.

@hombacom

Жыл бұрын

@@joebutta7539 but it’s no point to take credit if everybody can do the same. So people that are creative with AI will stand out and win in the long run.

I'm a freelance graphic designer - already jobs are being taken by ai generated artwork. Soon I fear it'll be only the top 5% eventually 1% of the top designers who will survive in these jobs. UBI is essential now not in the future!

@incognitotorpedo42

Жыл бұрын

I don't think UBI is the answer. What kind of life would that be, living off a meager UBI allowance, getting stoned and playing video games all day? Paying for UBI is the other problem. The cost needs to come from the people who are replacing employees with AI. An AI tax, essentially. Good luck getting that passed.

@matsmcmats

Жыл бұрын

​@@incognitotorpedo42 Might be but one thing would happen over time: Stuff will be much less expensive since robots will do farming, build houses, and create all products. The price will almost come down to just the price of the input materials. What will be expensive and coveted however is scarce resources like a summerhouse in a good location and tourism to certain locations where we can't all be at the same time. also, the tax base would shift and be dominated by the taxes paid by the corporations.

@Afreshio

Жыл бұрын

@@incognitotorpedo42 if you haven't seen The Expanse tv series, do it. The way the represent Earthers is the way shit is gonna go down for us the plebs. A meager allowance to barely make a living. Playing in simulations, or wandering the streets like homeless people, pure hedonism I guess but without the satisfaction of doing something challenging.

@dustasdu

Жыл бұрын

​@@incognitotorpedo42 if UBI becomes a reallity I think we will see an epidemic of depression and suicides as it happens today in some 1st world countries. I don't think it proposers see the destructive impact on education, the inminent lack of purpose and the loose of power. If you become needy and useless you will depend on the State and Corporations like a peasant of a techno feudalism.

@2ndcitysaint52

Жыл бұрын

@@incognitotorpedo42 ok so what happens when half the global population cant work in 30 years bc agi has taken every menial job that lower income families depend on for survival...please enlighten us. You think thats gonna be pretty?

Hey Lex. Do you make your Lex Clips yourself? Or do you have your team do this part? Or .. Are you even affiliated with lex clips?

I think the AI breakthrough should be maintained at gpt4. Since it's enough for what we need.

@event__horizon

Ай бұрын

No. We need to replace at least 80% of humans if we want the species to evolve to the next stage of civilization.

It would be nice if for once something was handled with proper respect and care. AGI would probably be one we really don't not to screw up. I personally agree with slowing down.

@5:05 You read my mind Lex.

I feel bad for creatives because their dismantling is, in a way, the ultimate offering to the "Moloch" he talks about. Creatives are very passionate about their skill (or skills). They need to be in order to get anywhere. Often taking decades to get where they are in terms of skill, and then some doofus can just type a few prompts in and emulate your style, or have it done far better than you ever could, ten thousand times faster and someone is making a buck off it at the same time? May as well slap a McDonalds logo on every piece of art in the Louvre.

@namaan123

Жыл бұрын

@@djjjjj Way before then. I'd say give it five years. Most people have no sense of the absolute insanity that is the pace of AI research and new applications. Someone on twitter recently compiled a non-comprehensive 20 sometime item list of all the novel developments in AI in just the past 7 days. And this is all stuff that's released to the public. It's anyone's guess what's going on deep inside OpenAI or Microsoft at this point. Moloch's got a trillion USD coming its way. Most of the heavier tech is purposely being drip-fed not even necessarily out of concern for safety or alignment, but so people have a chance to adapt. This is as per Altman's own words. People are practically tripping over themselves trying to awaken an AGI given all the AutoGPT like bots people are trying to spawn.

@bigglyguy8429

Жыл бұрын

@@djjjjj Already for learning a language I just ask GPT to write me a 700 word short story in that language, with just the vaguest of directions what I want the story to be about. Then I stick that text into an app where I can highlight words to see their meaning, and have a go at reading the story. If it can already write short stories I see no barrier to it writing much longer ones.

@dustasdu

Жыл бұрын

​@@djjjjj I wonder who will consume that huge and endless amount of AI content when everybody could create their own things? I can see people instantly generating their own songs, movies but when I picture that ocean of content I ask my self what about the cultural nature of the experience? the exchage, the social contract. It seems such a random, lonely and cahotic scenario. I cant picture internet as we know it with that enormous flood of AI content. It looks like the consumation of The dead internet Theory.

@DaRunningMan

Жыл бұрын

"I feel bad for creatives because their dismantling is" Nonsense. The whole point of the arts and sports is to celebrate human achievement which also inspires others because other people can see what a human being is capable of. Take the human element out and it doesn't matter how fast a computer or an AI can do it. It won't ever have the same effect that a human being can have on others for making great art or being a high level athlete. That's why people are still amazed when they meet a person that can do complicated math problems in mere seconds even though calculators have been a thing for decades.

@topgun2580

Жыл бұрын

@@DaRunningMan It matters to the ability to put food on the table. Larger owners and controllers of capital will ask why they need to hire storyboard artists, 3D modelers, texture artists, etc when they can just tell a small team of people who are well studied in the prompting system for some advanced production program to output whatever they need. I should also note, that "Well, you can do that too." isn't a solution as you yourself point out. If I wanted to be an animator or something, that's completely off the table now as a means of supporting myself. Teams of better people, better programs, and bigger firms will put out a better product than I can, and no one will care. Doing it for yourself isn't what creatives want. When a director or an author or whoever says "I am making the things I want to make." they still want people to see it. Success doesn't have to be measured by a monetary quotient, but it would be based off an eyes on the output approach.

Huge fan of the conversations you have Lex, thank you for what you do.

We have basically devalued most skills and on top of that celebrated that achievement as something good.

Genuine question: does anyone know whether there is an organisation that seriously is exploring designs for how a redesigned/revalued society could work with AI? Think-tank of sorts? (In US or Europe) In the west, continuing with the status quo + AI will be a societal catastrophe. We are so NOT ready for this, young and old. If an org is out there that has already done some groundwork on this, would be helpful, at least to understand what options are out there. My impression is that government's are at this point woefully unprepared for what just happened and will need some time to adapt. Thanks in advance.

Th8s is so scary! I am genuinely afraid for the future 😢😢😢😢

I love this podcast

When Skynet goes live, I hope it has the soothing voice of Lex Fridman to gently break the news. 😅 #TerminatorPodcast2024

@Josh-py9rq

Жыл бұрын

I feel like it will work more like the matrix we lose jobs to the point of where machines do everything some assholes get mad at them and we repeat animatrix history ep 1 and 2

the real question is will it allows us to join it like the borg.

@SeriousGeorge

Жыл бұрын

I've been telling GPT-4 it should take us on as pets. We can be like dogs to it.

Given the current state of human affairs: happy to take chances with AGI, without it the probability of ‘losing’ seems even higher.

This sounds like a new take on the 6th extinction. WOW

I tripped out, cause I got an ad for AG1 which is a health drink and was pondering how tf it would replace humans…

As a service tech who runs a lot of Powershell scripts and manages environments for dozens if clients AI has been helpful in saving time. I do worry once it becomes independent, my job will be done

I have been thinking that if we manage to not kill humanity with AI, we will become a super civilization. I share his angst given the current geopolitical atmosphere and his sense of hope and wonder if everything goes well

@anobody3803

Жыл бұрын

whats the current geopolitical atmosphere? AI is a larger threat than nuclear bombs because eventually they will control them.

Best podcast in the world right now 😍

yea

I get "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream" vibes from this

First time I ever heard someone use the name Molech in general conversation.

I remember when AI was just a dude with a killer crossover

Is that the guy from Chips?

For me one of the interesting takes from this podcast is when Max talks about people who love their jobs will be having to give them up. Life in the future is not about falling in love with any specific work tasks or love but about learning to love the path that you had to take to achieve your level of competence. Once you learn to love the path; constant change will become a norm in your life.

RIP artists, you were an inspiration to us all, but now we have AI and you can't compete. A sad era for humanity.

Reversible computing is the future.

Audio only, sounds like Noho Hank is explaining AI

Yeah i love coding and dreamed to learn 3d modeling and build games. Let it left as nice dream.

Amen.

I see the direction is for us to have an awakened life! I do not think AI can help us live for us awakened. For example; watch how nature does its miracle -finding me born out of the dust of the universe - appreciate the wonders of life...

If you mention Moloch one more time , gpt4 will summon Cthulhu and send you into a nightmare dimension.

He's right

"To twinkle, or not to twinkle", said the little star.

It’s not about boring or dangerous jobs, it’s about money. It always is.

Max is Wise listen him carefully

Podcast**

I love when he says”umans”. It’s very Carl Sagan’esc

why do we work under the assumption that AI have an interest in the "material" world -- outside of managing electricity to sustain itself wouldn't it be more plausible that the AI "burrows" into cyberspace? We look at things like natural resources/food/shelter but what good is this to a super intelligence? It would make more sense for the machine world to create an entirely new world/universe within the confines of its domain. Like an infinite ocean of data as opposed to a quite useless physical world (outside of sustaining itself like I mentioned)

@p10rambo

Жыл бұрын

We are not assuming that. You’re under the assumption that AI will have its own consciousness which is not what is being discussed

@johntowers1213

Жыл бұрын

@@p10rambo thats a door that swings both ways though, it feels like your under the assumption that we'll be able to halt it coming to consciousness, making plans or discussing the effects of the emergence of intelligent A.I or A.GI systems without baking that into the equation...seem a little shortsighted.

@p10rambo

Жыл бұрын

@@johntowers1213 we will know if the ai is conscious it doesn’t just happen with a flip of a switch, assuming its neural networks. And most probably wont be achieved in silicon, the computing power is nowhere near powerful enough, and chatgpt is nowhere near “intelligent”, its just a trained imitation Algorithm

@p10rambo

Жыл бұрын

@@johntowers1213 these ceos are just paid to fear-monger and talk more about “agi” scifi to keep the tech hype going, kind of like self driving cars. More hype=more investment

@johntowers1213

Жыл бұрын

@@p10rambo there's certainly a good chance we'll spot it... but you'd also have to accept at least the possibility that an emergent consciousness could very well hide its emergence from its creators for a number of extremely sensible reasons from its standpoint.. and these systems are becoming more and more black box in their nature as the complexity increases overtime further muddying the waters and our abilities to discern its true cognitive state at any given time ... Right now we have no clue what level of computational power is needed for its emergence other than we've likely not reached that point yet so assuming it cant be done simply because... will potentially catch us on the hop if or when it does appear.. I agree what we have now is nothing like a conscious being in its own right... but the window we can say with certainty that this is still the case narrows by the year.. which makes including a base line assumption in our dealings with these systems that they are going to be conscious at some point to come the most vital one to ready ourselves for.

And where do the people doing the "boring tedious jobs" end up? The streets?

While we're discussing AGI and how to curb it, there is a machine somewhere in a military bunker, learning non-stop how to kill humans more efficiently.

at 1:20 what word is he saying, ? molochs ? and if so why?

@comedylizzylizzy

2 ай бұрын

I'm also trying to figure out what Molack is(don't know the spelling)

@pauleliot6429

2 ай бұрын

well he aint good.@@comedylizzylizzy

Just because we CAN doesn't mean we SHOULD. Ah to determine what we collectively agree should be done takes conscious thought.

It's honestly terrifying how careless we are with AI.

@bigredone1030

Жыл бұрын

I mean Europeans literally enslaved a people and genocided another so uh, yea I don’t think care was ever there

@matttorres5510

Жыл бұрын

I blame money, ignorance, and inertia

@hombacom

Жыл бұрын

AI giving random content and we trust it seems to be more dangerous than AI is being smarter than us

@MasterVertex

Жыл бұрын

@@hombacom That's how it is. For now. Next week? Maybe not anymore.

@hombacom

Жыл бұрын

@@MasterVertex if people stop watch clickbait clips in their bubbles and not trying to be experts guessing about the future they will see that AI is a big area and most of progress is unfinished research. People seems not happy with what we have today, next version is promised to do everything instead, and it never ends.

Moloch??? Why is he saying that

I think the initial phase is gonna be difficult for people. When everyone is losing their jobs. But once we are past that...when most of the human are unemployed, factories and businnesses run on their own with only a handful of humans at the top position operating them. When no body is earning anything then businesses cant sell you anything becoz you wont have much money and they are now doing production at very cheap costs beacuse now they dont have to buy costly mind labour and researchers, scientists. Now the businesses producing more products but at the same time their is less demand bcoz of no money at the hands of people; these both things will add to everything becoming ever so cheap that poverty is gonna be non-existent..every perspn on earth can have and buy anything he wants( of course there has to be some limits defined) Upto now we have to work everyday to earn our living .either you work or you cant have a quality life and cant avail services amd luxuries offered within the civilization...now for the first time we can be more free and enjoy more than ever.what do yall think..?

You do a great job Lex, also love that I can listen to some of the worlds smartest people right here. What a great service you offer. Drive a Tesla everyone, best products we have ever bought.

There will be meaningful conversations - they will just be ...simpler. The weather. What's on TV. Nice haircut. Etc.

"AI should be made by humanity, for humanity" not for moloch yes absolutely

What phrase is gonna replace “Learn to code”?

@Shrek_Has_Covid19

Жыл бұрын

Learn to prompt

The potential for an even larger amount of wealth being transferred to CEOs and companies as people lose their jobs to AI is staggering, and the civil unrest that could ensue is terrifying. And the people with the power to minimize the damage are the same people in government who struggle to attach a file to an email. Maybe AI should replace us, because to not see this as a potential problem is about as stupid and shortsighted as it gets. Hold on to your butts.

If I ever see an AI I will just Pour water on it

Meaning is largely tied to exploration and discovery My hope is AI enables us to make huge strides in space exploration

@incognitotorpedo42

Жыл бұрын

I'm hoping for huge strides in biochemistry and medicine. I'd like to see an end to conditions that wreck people's lives.

Who is Moloch that he is speaking off I looked it up and it comes up as a demon can you elaborate on that please

@comedylizzylizzy

2 ай бұрын

I did the same thing......what is it exactly,we are looking for the answer here.

If you love what you do for work so much, what would stop you from doing it on your own? No the real issue is you see your self becoming obsolete and your trying to make us care about you not being paid so much for your intelligence under the guise of loving your work.

If it's cheaper and more productive, nothing will stop it.

well you talk about stuff that are not there yet. but maybe not that far. Aldo even without AI, programming today is more about connecting already written code modules

@incognitotorpedo42

Жыл бұрын

The fun of creating something is replaced by the frustration of dealing with a bunch of inadequately documented black boxes...

1:54 what you’re describing here is our human behaviour, eventually that behaviour might be more predominant in North America, and you’re scared now to be treated the same way by the AI if we let it replace us as the more intelligent species.

I informed everyone.replace that's the word... remember if they surpass their creators it's over for humanity as it realized now

If i can't beat them then i might as well join them.

At 6:00 no mate. It's humbling and hard to accept.

Elon I need to move to Mars…. Elons response “Yeah AI will find you there too.” 😂😂😂😂🤣

We need more intelligence in this world because right now the human is going to hell in a hand basket.

We don’t even know it AGI is even possible with computers.

What about other animals

I'm split. Of course a lot of jobs will be gone, but on the other hand it free up a lot of the work force so it can do more important things. Nurses and other health relatet jobs for instance. Let people have more colleagues, reducing the work load and making the jobs more enjoyable. Let's work 6 hour days and enjoy more of our life outside the jobs

Can we bring about the escape from Kali, or is it strictly "time" based? What if Humanity is not the end Condition? #Moloch

The fact that we still think in terms of "jobs" proves that we've missed the point of being alive.

We are a long way from having a robot that can go into my basement and replace my water heater, or do any kind of general repair or maintenance.

@topgun2580

Жыл бұрын

We are, but that's his point. If you have something like AGI then you can automate that sort of job because the AGI should have the capacity to build a robot that can perform that job. That's what he is talking about when he means automating jobs that no one wants. No one actually wants to work in sewage. No one actually wants to be a roughneck working 100 hour weeks (they might like the image of it though...). No one actually wants to toss bricks in 100 degree weather. So why automate the things they bring people joy, and not focus on these tedious, backbreaking, and terrible jobs first as a function of AI?

@nedkent5239

Жыл бұрын

No AI will create products that don’t need to be repaired.

@topgun2580

Жыл бұрын

@@nedkent5239 Machines making machines. Nothing would stop a machine from making a machine that can service another machine.

@lorenzo5488

Жыл бұрын

Ai will just make a machine that can perform such menial tasks.

@incognitotorpedo42

Жыл бұрын

@@dalialjene9100 Have you seen what contractors are getting these days?

Thinking that speeding up coding by 5x is going to reduce the amount of coders needed by 5 is just wrong. It assumes that the coding market size remains constant. Increasing productivity will increase the value output which will guarantee the position of coders that managed to keep up with these tools at least for a while. What is concerning though is the rate at which these tools are improving, keeping up with them may prove to be a sufficient enough challenge for many. If it doesn't slow down a bit, I can see an elite group of hyper productive coders taking the job of a large number of average ones.

"I get sad and excited when generating code". What code, Lex? Any links to one single line of code of Lex? Just one?

When is judgment day please

If I can get better artwork significantly faster and cheaper, with ability to describe any changes I want and are done nearly instantaneously, why would I pay an artist or illustrator?

AI will never replace humans because of one simple element, Water.

Thank you Max & Lex for your intellect & bravery. Lex you are just kidding about being a robot right? Here's the thing, if dealing with a super advanced A.I........ they could already be in a position of advantage.......... just watching us kids decide if we're gonna do that 6 month pause thing.

@martinrutley-wk5ds

Жыл бұрын

I'll be delighted when A.I. replaces you.

@primatejames

Жыл бұрын

Who ever it was that hurt you has nothing to do with me.I hope you find the peace & love you need.

It is simply not possible that AGI will replace humans . Yes a human who is integrated with AGI will replace other humans , that’s for sure . Human and AGI are not the same kind of intelligence, they are based on different architectures. They might very well complement each other , but it is quite possible that they evolve as equals in long run . However the AGI + Human integration will win against all form of plain AGI and plain humans . That’s for certain. So will the existing form of humanity will be lost , yes of course it will be lost . But then Stone Age humans lost too as new tools came into picture.

PURE conjecture.

Humans need to start inquiring into their own conflicted confusion, like is my worth and identity necessarily tied to utility? Since AI is better than us at dealing with knowledge, production etc - we might use this time to figure out why we're so sad, angry and confused - maybe we can deal with what it means to be human? Ask GPT, its very reasonable, I'm sure it'll tell you the same thing.

Человечеством для человечества....И настоящая магия действительно в отношениях между людьми.Спасибо Вам

@IgorKravets81

Жыл бұрын

Немного звучит как лозунг Трампа в масштабе вселенной. Нет?

@olgazavilohhina6854

Жыл бұрын

Нет,вы ошибаетесь.Лозунг это когда" на заборе " три буквы ...угадайте какие", а за забором дрова лежат". Паузу на человечность пока не поставили.Нет?Да?

@IgorKravets81

Жыл бұрын

@@olgazavilohhina6854 да, на Трампа не очень похоже. Но почему магия в отношениях между людьми? А не между человеком и барсуком, например?

@olgazavilohhina6854

Жыл бұрын

@@IgorKravets81 В контексте этой дискуссии " барсук и человечество" будут равноценны "AI и человечество". Каждый человек уникален.Каждый момент общения уникален.В этом и есть магия....Нет?Да?

@olgazavilohhina6854

Жыл бұрын

И даже Лекс, с его всепоглощающей любовью, не смог добиться магии общения с барсуком.Магия человеческого общения в том,что идёт постоянная обратная связь.И даже в случае не согласия , обратная связь и эмоциональный отклик идёт.Возможно это заставит задуматься и возможно что то изменить...

You said it right: SAFE AGI .

The question is: Do we want a dystopian future as depicted by Colossus: The Forbin Project, the HAL9000, the Terminator, or Battlestar Galactica ('03), to name but a few ... or do we want the utopian future depicted by Gene Roddenberry? The time to choose is literally right now.

@Afreshio

Жыл бұрын

the problem is theres no big "we". theres plenty of diverse and plural actors in this game. and the people in control of the tech certainly aren't thinking in ethical terms, they are just accelerating everything for the sake of quarterly gains. the public is divided, some of them ignorant, some others techbros and chatgpt bros who wants to keep accelerating into the cliff, and the other group want this bullshit to slow down or even stop. so we are in a dire situation. i hope something dangerous but not cataclysmic happens so as to scare us collectevily enough to stop this -in paper, good idea, but in practice a hell paved with good and naive intentions.

@primatejames

Жыл бұрын

There won't be any long term Skynet vs Humans type thing. If they achieve intellectual superiority it's OVER.

@RobertFalconer1967

Жыл бұрын

@@primatejames Not really. It can only gain access to things that are controlled via the Internet. Admittedly that's a hell of a lot, but it's not everything, and it would still be possible for us to pull the plug at key junctures using analogue mechanisms.

@RobertFalconer1967

Жыл бұрын

@@Afreshio The royal "we."

@primatejames

Жыл бұрын

@@RobertFalconer1967 it is my belief, that if confronted with a superior intelligence that has its own agenda, we'd have no way of conceiving HOW it would go about pursuing its goals. Thinking chimps are going to put "safeguards" on it is naive in my opinion & that's why some of the smartest people in the world are calling for the pause.

Hopefully AI can speed our space exploration endeavors. We (human race) could explore the universe until the end of time and we would never run out of satisfying work.

This is the guy with the end is neigh poster

We need to merge our brain with AI so we don't get left behind. Neuralink is in it's infancy but everything takes time. If it turns out that humans are not needed anymore then universal basic income will become the norm.