As a certified Catechist, I am not sure what Dom is proposing. Perhaps we'd agree that the Deposit of Faith is the passing of the torch while traditionis custodes is a torching of the past. In hoc signo vinces +.

Imagine thinking SSPX is the problem while Fr. James Martin has meetings with the Pope 😂

@nealkriesterer

11 ай бұрын

Why do you say "the" problem as though there can only be one problem? There can be more than one problem.

@thelogosproject7

11 ай бұрын

@@nealkriestererexactly

@tessbabcock8169

10 ай бұрын

A heretic in either direction is still a tragedy and a problem

@magikarp2063

9 ай бұрын

You do understand that there can be multible problems at the same time?

Its always the SSPX....They are the boogieman.

@Shevock

9 ай бұрын

All 6 of them?

Yhea no. The 50 part Crises Series by SSPX and They Have Uncrowned Him by ABL explain all this confusion in the world today.

Here we go again...🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Let's not be lukewarm

@halleylujah247

11 ай бұрын

Everyone here especially Dom agrees with this statement.

That was really… something…

I have to say… there is almost no Logos with the interviewee’s position. He’s so feelings-based.

@halleylujah247

11 ай бұрын

Feeling based and yet he cited documents and sources? Interesting claim. What's your logic for your claim?

@Ekatianova

11 ай бұрын

@@halleylujah247 Citing documents isn’t a primary feature of logic. If at all, it’s supplementary to the logic already established. My proof as to the absence of logic-reality, which my ears heard and my intellect processed.

@halleylujah247

11 ай бұрын

@@Ekatianova ahh so it's really based off your feelings.

@tokillthedragon

10 ай бұрын

He disagrees with you so he must be feelings based.

@flabiger

6 ай бұрын

​@@Ekatianova"Citing documents isn't a primary feature of logic" If you read Thomas Aquinas he speaks about the first principles of Theology. Unlike the first principles of philosophy which are known by man the first principles of Theology are known by Faith. Documents are definitely going to be part of the deposit of Faith and therefore can surely be used as first principles in a Theological discussion. (Summa Theologiae, Prima Pars, Q. 1, A. 2)

"Beyond Thomas"... Good luck with that.

The Council has been disasterous. I don't know how people can look at the Council and not see the Gnostic like statements within some of the documents.

@floridaman318

11 ай бұрын

Anything can be construed to be "gnostic like."

@pedrolizama4993

11 ай бұрын

@@floridaman318 when your claiming that "the Church" esteems Muslims/Islam, a Gnostic Religion, that worships the One God of Abraham, the same God we worship, that's a pretty Gnostic statement.

@pedrolizama4993

11 ай бұрын

@@floridaman318 And you definitely can not misconstrue the Nicene Creed with anything remotely related to Gnosticism.

I don't think it's true that there is a knee jerk reaction against post-counciliar figures at least in the FSSP. Plenty of them like Pope Benedict or figures like Scott Hahn. I can't say what it's like among SSPX circles, but it would be difficult to assess them if you've cut yourself off from them.

@tokillthedragon

10 ай бұрын

I've attended both SSPX chapels (before I came to share Dom's position on them) and FSSP parishes before and there's usually not much difference between the parishioners. I love my priests at my FSSP parish but the parishioners drive me up a wall sometimes.

If it was not for archbishop Lefebvre, You would not have a podcast today and we would not have any Latin mass to discuss or attend today. God bless archbishop Lefebvre+

@Mokinono45

11 ай бұрын

So much for Mendes and Thuc.

@scopeguy

10 ай бұрын

maybe, but that still doesn't excuse the archbishop's openly schismatic behavior

@DaveS859

4 ай бұрын

@@scopeguyIt means , (by definition , in fact) that the emergency was so great , that his extraordinary behaviour was not schismatic

@scopeguy

4 ай бұрын

@@DaveS859 in order for the consecrations to not be schismatic it would require a complete defection of the Church, impossible

This was a great conversation thanks for having it. I so appreciate you having different perspectives on.

Okay but your comments regarding the FSSP are very ignorant. This is not a trivial matter and it seems to be the middle term in your argument. Add to this a suspicion for trads that these almost-trads have. I think it’s more of a neurosis or psychological complex subtly driving the suspicion for the FSSP because its the same predictable false information every time.

@thelogosproject7

5 ай бұрын

Not only is this a genetic fallacy but you make an assertion without evidence all the while saying that my assertion is without evidence... Why am I even answering a KZread comment, I don't know. God bless.

This was awesome guys!! Tradition is beautiful and yes there has to be a healthy balance!! The current pontificate is problematic for obvious reasons tho. 🙏❤️

@TheMeaningofCatholic

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment sister!

@yalechuk6714

11 ай бұрын

There is no pontificate you won't find problematic given the current festering of political tribes fighting in the US. Seems most Americans have decided to judge the church via the lens of their binary political ideologies

@paxchristi2248

11 ай бұрын

The fruits of the "healthy balance" (not even sure what that means) can be seen in the decimation of the Faith. The history of "the council" (apparently it is now the "only" council) is laden with lies and agendas...and Francis is the perfect reflection of it. I suppose the huge percentage of souls lost after "the council" is minor as long as one can wax philosophical ad nauseum.

@DaveS859

4 ай бұрын

I agree , we should not be Sedevacantists on one side , nor attack the SSPX on the other

Omg, it's SSP-ten.

"Meaning of Catholic" or how to rediscover Modernism inside midle ground "traditionalism".

You used to not make anti SSPX videos every other month. Who’s paying you?

@TheMeaningofCatholic

11 ай бұрын

Haven't you heard? I'm CIA. -Flanders

@ozielramirez4589

9 ай бұрын

Probably why he also doesn’t do podcasts with Taylor Marshall anymore

Losing me early on when he starts gushing about theology of the body. Main reason I unsubscribed from this channel: everyone likes the trappings of Catholicism, but they also want to stay attached to the modernists. If a Pope is a bad enough theologian he Sanctions pagans worshipping their demons and thinks Buddha can be placed on the high altar of a Catholic church, forgive me if he’s not my first inspiration in other areas of theology.

@thelogosproject7

5 ай бұрын

What section in John Paul's audiences is problematic for you?

@skypilot7162

5 ай бұрын

@@thelogosproject7 I didn't mention any audiences. Are you getting at something specific? I referred to the public idolatry and sacrilege he allowed in a Catholic church at the so-called Assisi Prayer Meetings.

@thelogosproject7

5 ай бұрын

@@skypilot7162 My point is that you tuned me out because i mentioned ToB. That isn't critically thinking through something. Aquinas did not tune out Averoes because he was muslim. He read him, adopted what was good and corrected what was wrong. If you tune out people just at the mention of a theological text then you make Catholicism look retarded.

@thelogosproject7

5 ай бұрын

@@skypilot7162 you said “losing me early” when talking about ToB. So I asked what was it about the ToB audiences that you disagreed with. Dismissing an argument or a theological text because the person is supposedly a heretic is called “the genetic fallacy.” Aquinas read, incorporated the good, and corrected the bad in the writings of Averoes even though he was a Muslim. Let’s be rational and not make Catholicism look massively stupid by dismissing people simply because they don’t think like us. God bless.

@skypilot7162

5 ай бұрын

@@thelogosproject7 I failed to reread my entire comment; I see what you’re getting at. I’ll admit my knowledge of ToB is limited. It’s mostly limited to the interpretation of Christopher West, who advocates for sexual practices traditionally condemned by the Church’s preeminent moral theologians. Perhaps I’m wrong to assume West understands it? Point granted regarding the fact that even heretics tell the truth sometimes. But I still won’t typically go to them for instruction. I’m also not declaring JPII a heretic, just replying to your example.

What's the problem with Society of Saint Pius X? I go to the Mass of Saint Pius X and I'm really happy. Thanks to Marcel Lefebvre who created that Fraternity. For us, Saint Pius X was the last Pope legitimate, we don't recognice as legitimate to Francisco. I don't understand

@Leocomander

Ай бұрын

You literally call Pope Francis as illegitimate and claim that Pius X was the last legitimate Pope. If you ask what the problem is it is literally the views that you are promoting in your comment that are the problem.

@Straight-Outta-Scripture

Ай бұрын

Youre a doggone liar. That is 100% incorrect. The SSPX does not believe Pius X was the last legit pope nor have they ever taught it. I doubt you attend an SSPX chalep at all. Pope Francis' picture hangs in all the SSPX chapels I have been to. I think that is 7 or 8 in the last 4 years all over the US.

V2 was a rogue council that brought about the collapse of vocations ; clergy, religious and the laity leaving in droves , broke absolute havoc in the church 1. religious liberty 2. ecumenism 3. collegiality 4. new mass all heresies from V2 SSPX with Abp Lefebvre saved tradition. period

yawn.

This guy is a modernist.

@TheMeaningofCatholic

11 ай бұрын

We don't allow Modernists on MOC. meaningofcatholic.com/my-confession-of-faith/

@halleylujah247

11 ай бұрын

Define your term.

@thelogosproject7

11 ай бұрын

@@halleylujah247 modernist: “I don’t like what he’s saying.”

@hajduksplit698

11 ай бұрын

@@thelogosproject7 I've seen throw around 'pagan' in the comment sections on your channel when interacting with others.

@hajduksplit698

11 ай бұрын

@@thelogosproject7 This is a comment that you Dom made to me about a year ago on the video titled 'The Traditional Catholic Movement (with Andrew Bartel)'. To be clear our conversation was not about the SSPX, sedes or so called rad trads but the broader traditionalist movement. You stated, and I quote: "Traditionalism is an in-Church problem of modernism under the guise of smells and bells." I think it is quite something for you to mock someone for using the very same tactic that you do yourself.

“Traditionalism is not the answer nor progressivism” so you’re on the fence? That’s being lukewarm & complacent to conformity…a weak & compromising faith

@thelogosproject7

5 ай бұрын

Or the binary is ideological? Just like the republican-democrat one? "Being on the fence" means being indecisive. I have made my decision: Vatican II is good and authoritative. And so is the Church's teaching. God bless.

@Leocomander

Ай бұрын

@@thelogosproject7Yes Vatican II is good as in so far the documents are Orthodox which I do believe they are. The issue is that the commissions where all essentially hijacked by the Praeriti or *Experts* in charged to apply it. You mention that Clear Creek is a representation of what Sacro Sanctum Concilium was supposed to be yet I challenge you on that since if you read Sacro Sanctum you will notice that every Traditional statement is followed by a statement that opens up to the complete opposite. Example *The Latin Language is meant to be the main language if the liturgy, but wherever helpful the Vernacular should be used* and so on so on with pretty much every issue with the liturgy same thing happened to the section with Sacred Music. While yes Vatican II preached no Heresy and Sacro Sanctum was at Face Value Traditional you run into the issue that Sacro Sanctum never specifies just how far these *exceptions to the rule* are meant to be taken and it essentially created loop holes big enough to drive a truck through which where taking advantage of immediately these where the Liturgical Time Bombs Michael Davies was talking about. These are serious issues with the document where vague language was indeed weaponized issues that need be addressed.