This is a great illustration of why Celestia and Luna _together_ make such a great ruling team. Fanon Luna, who is more of a fighter and defender than Celestia (the diplomat) adds that level of security which Nightmare Moon would bring, but without compromising all the benefits Celestia brings.

@saphiriathebluedragonknight375

7 жыл бұрын

Makes me think of Anakin, the Hero with no Fear and Obi-wan, the Negotiator.

@jamestolbert1856

7 ай бұрын

@@saphiriathebluedragonknight375me too

I'm legitimately surprised anyone would find any "security" under Nightmare Moon. At least under Celestia's reign, most of the danger comes from outside threats. A society built around the ego of its leader(s) is notoriously unsafe from both outside threats that see that leader as a threat, and by that very authority seeing its own people as threats. There is no security if you are fearing for your life from the people who should be protecting you. By the way, even with all the dangers that come up under Celestia's reign, we don't really see it amount to much. The biggest casualty that has come from every one of the incidents that has faced Equestria that we have seen, has been Twilight's library (granted, parasprites ate Ponyville, but at least it got rebuilt rather quickly). Say what you want about how Celestia runs things, but you have to admit that while her system isn't great at preventing incidents, it is good at quickly addressing and resolving them and for the exact same reasons SQ outlines; Celestia creates a system where people can and would want to step up to any challenge that comes up to threaten Equestria. I seriously doubt Nightmare Moon would enable and inspire her people the same way. What's the point of dissing Celestia's methods when they have yet to create any long lasting issue?

@crocbattle07

7 жыл бұрын

" A society built around the ego of its leader(s) is notoriously unsafe from both outside threats that see that leader as a threat, and by that very authority seeing its own people as threats." Unless you are a nuclear superpower like good ol' USA!

@Rainbow_dash67.

2 жыл бұрын

@@crocbattle07 I feel like she would be a lot more aggressive, but she wouldn’t go around hurting her own citizens or do anything most stereotypical villains would do.

@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec

Жыл бұрын

@@Rainbow_dash67. Are you really so sure about that twilight? She hunted you did she not?

@moonblaze2713

Жыл бұрын

​@@Rainbow_dash67.I cannot help but be amused. Is this not how all such tyrants get into power? On the idea that they will be dangerous to others, not you? I believe that was the point of the House of Cards example.

"You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once." -Robert A. Heinlein Yes, I know I quote Heinlein way too much.

@MDWolfe-ks5fu

7 жыл бұрын

NexAngelus405 I think I know what Heinlein is going for when he quote that. It's more about the security based on one man's authority vs the total freedom from the individuals. But the using the word "peace" is something I had to disagree with. Because I do believe that peace can be obtain individually.

@MrSpartan993

7 жыл бұрын

I'd take freedom. If only because peace doesn't necessarily mean safety. True safety is an illusion, a lie. I could be struck dead in a few minutes when I get into my car to go to the grocery store really quick. You never know for certain.

@Nothin2seehere-e4z

6 жыл бұрын

I choose freedom. Too bad we can't use both.

@iceluvndiva21

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly? I think peace and freedom can happen at the same time. But don't ever count on it to last forever. There's always going to be people who want to be dicks or "supreme". There's always going to be those who just want to see the world burn or rule it for selfish reasons. That's why I don't agree with absolutes because that's saying you won't even hear the other person out or acknowledge their voices.

@iceluvndiva21

3 жыл бұрын

@@Wylyth-nr3hq I'm more partial to "to those who stand behind you, protect them. To those who stand beside you befriend them. To those who stand to harm you, show no mercy" but tthat's awsome too

I have wanted to talk about this since Lilly Pete said in her video that the world of Nightmare Moon would be a good one... maybe for you guys is just stuff of dystopias and fantasy, but for many of us is quite real. I'm from Chile, my country was under the domain of a dictator (Pinochet) until as reacent as 1990. People live in fear, the military stole almost all resourses, food was really expensive and you have no luxuries such as sweets or nice clothes. For us who have experiencieted, i can say the world of an totalitarian leader is not one where you want to live. For you guys in the United States "freedom" is just a word, you asociate it with the right to do whatever you want, but is so much more, as Silver said, it's a world where you have no voice nor option, you just do what it is said or you die, those are the only options. You forget what freedom is because you had not need to fight for it.

@poissony

7 жыл бұрын

Diego Rodriguez Galvez "You forget what freedom is because you need not fight for it." This quote needs to be framed on a wall somehow. And I hope your country has recovered steadily from the suffering it's been put through.

@krackothunder

7 жыл бұрын

However, compare your life with the one of starving people in countries where most laws aren't enforced at all, such as big parts of Africa. As someone who's seen people living in active warzones where survivors WILL shoot and kill each other for food and medicine and there ARE no laws, as corrupt as they may seem... Trust me, you don't wanna be there either.

@MrMarinus18

7 жыл бұрын

The thing is, is that Chili is still one of the more prosperous Latin American nations. Compared the the chaos of Columbia or Mexico. I wonder which is worse, the government or the drug cartels.

@XanderKHD

7 жыл бұрын

That's why, in all things in life, it needs to be a balance between freedom AND security. Too much security, and it leads to tyranny. Too much freedom, it leads to anarchy. It has to be a balance where people are free to choose their own path, as long as it does not involve in the harming, extortion, or manipulation of others, and to allow the promotion of good health and happiness. :)

@vidyogamenurd

7 жыл бұрын

Yet more proof that Lily Peet is the worst.

This is why I believe Nightmare Moon to be a good villain. The main argument against her before the Cutie Re-Mark, as you said, was that she was undermining herself by killing off the ponies she wanted to be loving subjects--but now, it's clear that she is capable of keeping Equestria alive and safe from external threats. So, she's not undermining her goal. However, she is clearly dangerous to her ponies--she wants to be loved, and she will do anything to force that respect, even (as you said) take away the power and freedom of her ponies to become the strongest of them all. She's gone from what was an arguably very weak villain to an incredibly strong one, with all the best qualities a villain can have: a compelling backstory, motivation, power, efficacy, and a killer character design. But don't forget that the world of the show is not strictly Celestia's world; since the beginning of the series, it has been a diarchy. Much of the Princess-led character growth in Equestria has been due to Luna, as a personal guide and teacher to ponies everywhere. In light of the recent episode, what do you think of each of the diarch's jobs? How necessary are they, and could they each rule alone? (I mean, obviously Tia can, but what would Equestria be missing if Luna weren't there?)

@june8713

7 жыл бұрын

Briarpelt I believe that Luna would step up to the challenge of ruling alone if Celestia ever went Daybreaker, but she would stuggle for a while until she figures out HOW to rule alone. I have a theory that after Celestia banished Luna she stuggled for a long time before she became the confident ruler that she is now. No pony is made perfect. Learning how to correctly and comfidently deal with other ponies takes time. And I feel that if Celestia had been the one to fall then Luna would have made a fine ruler.

@briarpelt2333

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, I agree. Still, I think that their rules would be different--both wonderful and benevolent, but different nonetheless. Each pony has her own style, and it would be interesting to see how that would affect Equestria.

@Flufux

5 жыл бұрын

Personally, I think Nightmare Moon would have been an awesome villain...if she hadn't been permanently defeated in the show's second episode before she had a chance to do anything memorable.

@nightshroud9671

4 жыл бұрын

@@Flufux And the fact the issues that led to NMM happening weren't properly resolved and basically just brushed under the rug after Luna got hit by the rainbow laser.

@MrMarinus18

3 жыл бұрын

I wish Cutie Re-mark had just been Nightmare Moon's future. To be able to go into that more deeply.

Wow. This was some intense analysis. I've been frequently asked about "Freedom vs Security." Would I prefer to have an extreme authority or extreme anarchy? I disagree with forcing to pick between two extremes, but if I had to, I'd pick anarchy. Living in the fear and hopelessness of authoritarianism is awful, and while anarchy would be living in fear, there is always hope. We are shown that society and civility will arise in a vacuum, and powerful dictatorships are much harder to remove or change.

@gutsmasterson2488

7 жыл бұрын

What else would you expect from the Hippogryph?

@blazingfuryoffire1

7 жыл бұрын

was just about to say something similar to this. civility naturally forms as people learn to work together. Also In anarchy, one can survive and thrive on his or her own merit.

@jamesrichardsoniii4801

7 жыл бұрын

I shudder at the thought of living in world without freedom or creativity.

@MDWolfe-ks5fu

7 жыл бұрын

joshscorcher But there one thing that comes to mind. With great freedom, comes great responsibility. We as individuals do have agency to cause happiness or misery towards others and ourselves with great self control. With values and virtues written for us, we follow them securing our joys of life.

@VictoryRabbit

7 жыл бұрын

I take it that you've pretty much missed the entire point of this video, David. Also please, don't inject politics into this, and especially don't call for the deaths of anyone (even those you don't like).

After the fact: Two Worlds. Me: One Faaamily!

@poninefreak3321

7 жыл бұрын

Kane Aquino Lol, Tarzan!

Silver your commentary about how Celestia rules made me cry. You are a gem. Thank you for having so much heart and for inspiring so many and for helping us appreciate ponies so much more.

See, this is why I love MLP so much. While so many other shows and franchises insist on going for the Dark and Edgy "We'll do what we must to survive" angle, MLP isn't afraid to stand up and say, "True security and safety comes not from the power we possess, but the strength of our bonds with each other." Thank you for spelling that out for is here.

"Her best move has been giving others the space and opportunities to grow." This line is what I wish our current government to reflect. We should protect our freedoms and opportunities and neighbors, and the rights to those before allowing ourselves to forget those 'beneath' us. I agree with joshscorcher, that I would rather live in extreme anarchy than an extreme authority. Refer to Film Theory's video on the Walking Dead and who would survive if an apocalypse came for the reasons why.

@hariman7727

6 жыл бұрын

I will argue that the overreach of government is being pulled back as we speak, via deregulation as well as via the tax cuts. (At least in the US. If you're living somewhere else, I'd need to research a bit). But, the people who enjoyed the extra power are denying that progress too. So good is happening, but the media is treating it as bad because they don't like the guy in the Presidency.

Yeah, I much preferred Celestia's rule over Nightmare Moon's and when people said she'd be a better ruler, I kinda just sighed and shook my head.

@empeanutson

7 жыл бұрын

I'm kinda glad you can shake it off because it's absolutely terrifying to me when I hear someone say that.

@jacobr.1153

7 жыл бұрын

When the crisis you need the "Nightmare Moon" person , in the real world (not equestria indeed) Celestia's rule would be a catastrophe , imagine not being tough on the mafia and organized crime , or maybe even giving Hilter second chances . You cannot fight demons with angels , that's why Nightmare Moon will always be necessary .

@Evowizard25

7 жыл бұрын

Actually, no. The 'Nightmare Moon' person would be akin to HItler or Stalin, both were totalitariate and would not permit possible threats to themselves. Stalin killed those who he thought could challenge his authority and uprisings were harshly put down. 'Serve or die' would become the norm and you wouldn't see anything akin to real opposition in say, the capital (such as here) because said rulers would only surround themselves with those that they trust (right now). Celestia's rule isn't tough because she doesn't need to be tough. You don't need large armies in times of peace, nor do they need them since Equestria isn't surrounded by any real rivals or nations that could harm them. You don't need 'harsh' laws when the populace doesn't act harshly against each other. Equestria seems to be doing especially well financially and economically and have been so for a thousand years, something few if any countries can. So Celestia has proven that she can lead a country. As well, we've been shown that Celestia and Equestria can quickly get into gear if times did get hard, such as with Sombra, who would probably lose in an protracted war. (His initial gains would come more out of surprise then anything.)

@LittleAl016

7 жыл бұрын

+Rin Tezuka: Chrysalis appeared during the time Luna was both on the moon and not in command of her own body. And Celestia dealt with Chrysalis as soon as the latter made herself known, which is why Chrysalis's body is full of holes.

@EpicMuttonChops

7 жыл бұрын

a better ruler, perhaps, but definitely not a better leader

My problem with the idea that Nightmare Moon's rule is better, is that even if you'd want to live in that kind of world, others wouldn't be so willing. Nightmare Moon is obviously the sort of leader who'd do everything she could to remain in power. But there will always be people who will rise up and fight back "tyrants everywhere, eventually make their own worst enemy." If it ever became necessary, she wouldn't hesitate to use innocent civilians as living shields. Are you ever going to be safe in a world with a ruler who's main goal is her own survival over yours?

@krackothunder

7 жыл бұрын

In real-life, that might be true. However, even here, we are creating ever more efficient ways of detecting undesirables and making sure they don't cause trouble. With magic in the mix, I'm sure that should become manageable. Also... you DO realize that, in your specific case, the only reason she has to use civilians as shields are those "rising up"? The moral of the story is: Don't be a terrorist, 'cause you only make things worse.

@jacobr.1153

7 жыл бұрын

No . But wasn't Equestria on bring of collapse under Discord , Sombra , Tirek ... because Celestia wasn't firm enough . Surely Celestia is the better ruler , yet , shouldn't she take some advice from Nightmare Moon when dealing with existential to society threats ?

@theodoremonin7084

7 жыл бұрын

krackothunder even if that were true, that wouldn't stop NM from using her subjects, to deal with external threats

@jacobr.1153

7 жыл бұрын

I just said that Celestia gambling with her citizens life when not eliminating such treats and liabilities , and should apply some of the positive traits of Nightmare Moon .

@theodoremonin7084

7 жыл бұрын

Jacob R. I wouldn't call Celestia's nurturing of her subjects as 'gambling.' "Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and you feed him for life."

It's high time someone did a counterargument to that whole "Nightmare Moon's Reign is better" idea.

One hates to think of what happens to foals like Scootaloo under a NMM rule.

@gutsmasterson2488

7 жыл бұрын

It is scary what a NMM CMC group would be like or even if they exist as they give purpose to others and in NMM's world the only purpose is to serve NMM. Also how is Nelly and are you an actual lawyer?

@joshscorcher

7 жыл бұрын

In WWII dictatorships, they were the first to go.

@TheIndigoEclipse

7 жыл бұрын

AC, we need more horsey words from you, good sir. Thoughts on Daybreaker?

@youtbuecraert

7 жыл бұрын

Man... I can't imagine how broken inside they(CMC) must be... :,"(

@crestofreliability5958

7 жыл бұрын

Really? I thought it would be the ones wearing the pink and red triangles and making yellow journalism towards military personnel... but maybe I'll take your word on it.

I always thot that NMM rule wold be like the North Korea government, were the "supreme" leader is seen almost like a god, and if you disagree you are taken to the prison camps (with all the horrible living conditions we all have heard off), and for me that's the more scary thing..., what if she docent have the humanity to make one and she makes ponies "disappear", killing any pony how speaks against her :(

@TheDapperDragon

7 жыл бұрын

And yet, one of those that stood against her is now in her honor guard. And another is serving as her personal decorator, and likely, fashion...person... Even her actions to Twilight and Spike show that of compassion and kindness, tempered though they may be with a healthy dose of skepticism and realism. No weapons pointed at her, no chains on her. Just a pleasant walk through the woods and a nice conversation. And her friend held in chains to make sure she doesn't do anything stupid (which she does.)

@matthewdinode

7 жыл бұрын

Except in this timeline they DIDN'T stand up against her. Remember, they never became friends. Even assuming things went the same up to NMM's return, and Rainbow made an attempt to charge at her, they never would have attempted to find the Elements.

@sergioserranogranados3742

7 жыл бұрын

Matthew Steiner treu, sad but treu

@TheDapperDragon

7 жыл бұрын

Except It's not like Twi led them to do that. And even assuming you're correct, they STILL made a fuss about her return, marking them as enemies.

@MrSpartan993

7 жыл бұрын

I rather live in a chaotic world like Discord's.

To steal a quote from Benjamin Franklin, "he who trades liberty for security deserves neither"

@gulfgiggleanimations4472

7 жыл бұрын

Zak Kizer I was honestly surprised that quote was never mentioned in the video itself

@jacobr.1153

7 жыл бұрын

Shouldn't we actually want both , and be willing to sacrifice on both to achieve something balanced and fair .

@sadlobster1

7 жыл бұрын

True...but some people prefer the idea of extreme security. The point where the higher ups go Big Brother and watch our every little move. Who would want that

@MrMarinus18

7 жыл бұрын

I wonder what that means. Benjamin Franklin was a major supporter of the idea of the united states. At the time that idea was seen as impeaching on the liberty of the states. His constitution was a far more restrictive system than the confederation that came before. I am doubtful that's a real quote. It doesn't make sense and Benjamin Franklin wasn't an anarchist at all.

@Enchie

7 жыл бұрын

sadlobster1 Fools that can't think past their lust for security.

**the political science nerd in me starts fangirling** This is a fight between libertarianism and authoritarianism. How much freedom do we keep and how much do we give up to a higher power? If you have an absolute authoritarian state then there will be no chaos, order and peace at the cost of freedom and choice. So it would be a society under Nightmare Moon or perhaps even Daybreaker where there’s peace and order, but you have no choices outside of what the state allows for. On the flip side, if you have an absolute libertarian state there will be no limits and independence at the cost of safety and structure. Which would be an Equestria with the princesses at all, there’s freedom to do as you wish but with no rights or protection. Someone could come along, take advantage of you and if you can’t defend yourself you’re straight out of luck. The answer? Balance! Like what Starlight said in “A Royal Problem” said “Sun, moon. Without them there is no harmony.” You need Celestia’s philosophy of giving ponies the ability to grow and become the best pony they can be mixed with Luna’s philosophy of keeping boundaries and safety nets in place. You have to decide for yourself how much freedom you want to keep and give up, and what the pros & cons would be. Which will vary between every person but you still need both to run a functional society.

@woestijnuil746

7 жыл бұрын

Taylor Ramirez you have provided my favorite response thus far. Thank you for the more familiar terms. Now to wander back to my darkness and quiet.

@MrMarinus18

7 жыл бұрын

You're right. The problem with absolute authoritarianism is that it can be very easily abused. That's usually the problem. I think that episode didn't do that quite right though. I prefer the fan idea of Luna being forceful and harsh more.

@decidnotmatter3942

7 жыл бұрын

Thank god people like you exist.

@hariman7727

6 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I will also argue that it's better to lean more towards the Freedom side, as power attracts power seekers, and limiting centralized power limits how easily it can be abused.

"Give me liberty or give me death. If I cannot have one I will have the other."

You bring up many great points as always, Silver. I never thought about all of that dream crushing stuff under Nightmare Moon's reign.

"What good are hopes and dreams when your dead?" What good is being alive without hopes and dreams? Are the people in Nightmare Moon's world even really alive?

@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec

Жыл бұрын

No their not. They'll be non playable

I would offer up two quotes in support/response to this video. The first: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Ben Franklin. I do not remember the source of the second quote, and may be misremembering it: "Those who insist sacrifices must be made are rarely the ones making them." Tyrants who sacrifice their subjects to secure their reign are the very definition of evil in my opinion. Nightmare Moon would definitely qualify.

I think the problem is that people look at those two extremes and say "pick one." In the real world, absolutes are not a necessity- the best solution is one that takes a healthy balance from all points of view to compromise and create a middle ground.

Oh Celestia yes! Ever since a certain someone who shall remain nameless said that Nightmare Moon's rule would be better be it's safer I've wait for someone to contest this. I agree that NM wouldn't care about stuff like collateral damage and would be a much a threat to those under her rule if not more so. Her kind of rule isn't safe nor will be safe because she puts herself above all else and suppress all to follow her way and weakens the whole.

@gutsmasterson2488

7 жыл бұрын

I agree. and it's good to see you here.

@mattstutzman4359

7 жыл бұрын

Ajustice90 Let me guess, that certain someone was Lily Peet? Forget NM, imagine what the world would be like under her rule. It makes me shiver just to thinking about it.

@gutsmasterson2488

7 жыл бұрын

matt stutzman she is one of the few people that I truly hate and will never respect ever again. Her latest style is more willing to call out others then to take faults in herself

@mattstutzman4359

7 жыл бұрын

Guts Masterson Glad we can agree on that. She honestly is one of the worst people I know. And Silver, if you're reading this, I am sorry to bring this kind of negativity to your video. Truly I am. I just feel that Lily needs to be called out on her crap, or she'll never become anything more than what she is now.

@darkflame728

7 жыл бұрын

"a certain someone who shall remain nameless" Why not just say her name? Most of the bronies on youtube probably know who you're talking about. Seems silly to do otherwise. :/

This video reminds me, HEY silver can you do a video on mind magic, more specifically happiness vs. freedom? If Sombra can make your worst fear trapping you in your own mind, couldn't the opposite happen, a perfect paradise holding you in your own mind. It's been proven in the comics to be possible and I'd like your 2 cents on the matter.

@MLPSilverQuill

7 жыл бұрын

I think a paradise illusion would be a truly evil trap. It would remove your ability to act, but you'd be less inclined to resist because it's giving you what you want. A villain in Digimon 02 attempted such a feat, and it was only the stubbornness of the team leader that snapped the rest out of it. The "prisoner" would have to possess a strong sense of discontentment to push past their own comfort. Yet I also think such a spell is harder for villains to accomplish. Such a spell would require them to understand what truly makes others happy. Arguably that's not something a person with malicious intent could do unless they became the most extreme of sociopaths. Hurting others is easy, which is why a villain often falls in the first place. They would likely take the easier method.

@Rainbow_dash67.

3 жыл бұрын

@@MLPSilverQuill Nightmare moon is more humane villain I think she would help scootaloo and cure her disability and Nightmare moon is not as evils as sombra or Tirek and I think nightmare would care for her subject or maybe teach in the school for grifted unicorn and nightmare moon is not that evils even evils has standards I think I would rather serve nightmare moon

@theenderdestruction2362

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rainbow_dash67. your name defies the character my friend

YES! Thank you! Finally someone said it, the fake security in Nightmare Moon's A. U. and how most of the people I talk about it like it wasth best thing ever always bother me, but you gave a broader voice to cons of said world, once again thank you!

To quote one of my favourite movies: I don't _want_ to survive, I wanna *_live!_*

I think that since Nightmare Moon wants to be adored she wouldn't make Equestria terrible all around for her subjects. For her to be loved she has to provide safety and security for her subjects. If I had a choice to take neither one of these choices I would do so because they seem a little extreme. But given the choice of the two, I'd rather stay under Nightmare Moon's rule and know that the roof over my head and the safety of my world isn't at risk every other week than live under Celestia where she would be unable to protect her citizens from harm.

@AlexisDevilman

6 жыл бұрын

fake love

@frenchiesottises8193

2 жыл бұрын

In the Ending of the End, where Tirek, Chrysalis, and Cozy Glow managed to put a rift between the pony races, the students of Twilight's school managed to not only round them back up, but also encouraged the other kingdoms to join in on the fight. While this could be an example of Celestia not doing her best at keeping Equestria safe, it's best fit as an example of how many positive results can be gained if you give your subjects freedom. It's pretty clear that NMM doesn't give this sort of freedom, if any at all, to her subjects as seen with Rainbow and Rarity. If the three baddies pulled this under her rule, Equestria wouldn't stand a chance because there wouldn't be people who stood up to encourage others to stick together, nor would the kingdom have allies. While the idea of being safe under Nightmare's rule is promising, the long term effects are what matter the most. Nightmare would only give her subjects security if it meant being loved and adored, not because she wants the kingdom to stand a chance if something happened to her.

This reminds me of what Belle says in Beauty and the Beast (2017), when Beast asks her if she could be happy living in the castle she says, "Can anyone really be happy if they aren't free?" Notice how in Nightmare Moon's future, nopony is happy. While in a world under Celestia's reign, everyone (save a few) are happy. Nightmare Moon sacrifices more than basic rights, she sacrifices joy. Simply asking if you'd rather have security or freedom isn't enough, you have have to ask if you could live with all that comes with those choices. Excellent video, Silver! Although, I am curious, what do you think a world under rule of Day Breaker would look like?

@hariman7727

6 жыл бұрын

A spoiled Queen, burning whatever she wants, turning the world into a desert, demanding tribute and obedience. Citizens forever afraid of yet also worshipping the Sun, lest they "See the light" too clearly, and forever vanish in solar fire, or be staked out in cages to "enjoy" the sun's light for days on end, surviving only by drips of water given to them because a skeleton can only bow once. All shall fear her. All shall love her, and THAT is when Luna snaps Celestia awake from her nightmare. Celestia is covered in a cold sweat, and pulls Luna into a hug, apologizing to Luna for the prior day's misunderstanding, and Luna tells her that she knew it was a mistake, and came to Celestia to make sure she didn't beat herself up in a nightmare like she had done with the Tantabus. Even with the reassurance, it took Celestia some time that night to regain her composure, and Luna stayed by her side all the while, even bringing her into a dream with the CMC to have a direct introduction, and to share stories of both mistakes and successes between a pair of sisters and their friends. It started as a rough night, but ended as one of the fondest memories of time with her sister that she'd ever had. What? I refuse to write something that dark without adding an anti-grimdark ending.

Praise the Feather Flank! For He hath shown us Hope and Joy in the face of the vile bayformers. Praise him!

@cybersearcher1041

6 жыл бұрын

Tristan Milner PRAISE THE FOREVER FANTASTICALLY FEATHERED FALCON!!

@connerjackoswalt3249

6 жыл бұрын

YES PRAISE HIM

I'd argue that in certain areas humans are already living in a world with aspects of one ruled by Nightmare Moon.

OMG, after I read "Fairest", I noticed how much Nightmare Moon is like Levenna, they both want praise, they hate their sisters, she does almost anything to keep her throne, even murder. They want the best for their subjects, but more themselves, oh, and they both suffered a horrible past and a end

so pretty much: Celestia is the Federation and Nightmare moon is The Terran Empire. I'll let you think about that.

@darkflame728

7 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't compare sun butt to the federation. The federation knows when to shoot someone down. >:)

@doom7ish

7 жыл бұрын

but think about it, Most of the villains can be summed up has Sombra being Khan! Chrysalis being the Borg Discord as Q It actually makes sense when you think about it. That's what I think but I do agree with you.

@dicecube7403

7 жыл бұрын

Celestia was altogether willing to throw down on Chrysalis when the time came, so I cant agree that she doesn't know when to crack open a can of whup-ass. Getting taken down so easy was, however, a clear sign that she out of practice in doing so.

@MLPDethDealr32

7 жыл бұрын

I never thought of it that way XD. What race in MLP would represent the Klingon Empire though? And wouldn't Chrysalis and the Changelings be more like the Romulans? >:)

@LittleAl016

7 жыл бұрын

+doom7ish: Nah. Nightmare Moon, in all of its appearances, is the Dominion.

Great video once again. Always enjoy the after thought that you leave behind to get us thinking too.

There is a difference between surviving and living. And as Benjamin Franklin said, those who give up liberty for security deserve neither and will lose both.

@krackothunder

7 жыл бұрын

And as Benjamin Franklin also said: "Why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an opportunity, by exluding all blacks and tawnys, or increasing the lovely white and red?"

@MrMarinus18

7 жыл бұрын

That quote is one I question as Benjamin Franklin was a proponent of the United States constitution. At the time that was an increase in government control and a significant loss in liberty for the states. At the time the articles of confederation was causing the United States to fall apart and Britain was ready to gobble up the pieces. Benjamin pushed really hard that the states give up part of their autonomy for their security and to make sure the laws they agreed on are upheld.

@AtarahDerek

7 жыл бұрын

krackothunder Lemme guess, he was 40 something when he said that. You do realize he wasn't born an abolitionist, right?

@TheGroundedAviator

7 жыл бұрын

One must also ask "what is freedom?", it wasn't until 1857 all men in theory could vote, 1920 for women and 1965 in the US that all people really could for example. It was 1893 for me.

@AtarahDerek

7 жыл бұрын

TheGroundedAviator Freedom is the opportunity to become everything you were made to be.

"Is it a perfect world ?" I answer to a quote with a quote from somewhere else: "The thing about perfection is that it's unknowable. It's impossible, but it's also right in front of us, all the time."

Wow... I always thought the idea of NMM’s world being okay was stupid to begin with (your thoughts helped drive home that point!) but the insight into Princess Celestia and hey character archetype really made me look at her in a different light.

_"Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom."_

@hariman7727

6 жыл бұрын

Thank God everyone woke up in time here in the US. We really dodged a bullet in the last Presidential election.

@shingshongshamalama

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nz-tm3gs The joke is that the character saying that line I quoted was the villain. And that line is a justification of authoritarianism.

May I just say that you are brilliant! I could create an entire class on the heroes journey and character tropes from your videos. I enjoy every video you make.

This video, especially the part about Celestia, brings into focus a lot of things I've vaguely felt and had a lot of trouble describing. I really appreciate you making it and putting it up.

This reminded me of a saying, "The bravest man is the one who does not know who will carry the banner after he falls, only that it will reach its goal." Give me a world where there is still hope, where anyone with a stake can still carry on the good fight where needed.

Oh thank goodness. And here I thought you'd be too busy for this. Glad to see you still in action here Silver. Keep up the good work. 👍🏻😄😉

Silver nailed it.

Only a tyrant can bring order, for order must be enforced. But in all honesty, the ideal situation would be something in between Nightmare's and Celestia's worlds. That would be the world where not only Celestial's ideals for the encouraging the others to grow and become something more would be at their best, but also the world where the guards would be useful, where they would be there during a random timberwolf attack on the village, where they would be taking their duty seriously instead of playing the role of the living statues for the crowd's amusement! In Celestia's world they are an embarrassment, and that's obviously because they lack some harsh training and discipline.

Hello Quill. I have enjoyed your 'talks' on the pony world, the episodes, and other content (both official and fan made). What I enjoy most is your ability to clearly state your views and why. I may not agree with every little thing you say, but overall, I agree more often than I end up mentally saying: 'you're full of it Quill'. As others have said. Freedom, without choice, is not free. I, personally say, Freedom without responsibility, is not freedom. We must have the freedom to both choose, and take responsibility for our actions. If nothing else... your calm rationalizations give other ponies the chance to look beyond their own views, to see a larger picture. What they choose to do with that knowledge is their choice, and how they respond is their own responsibility. Keep at it. And know that at least ONE pony, out here in the Digital Wilderness, likes what you do. enough from me, the Frank Pony

@hariman7727

6 жыл бұрын

Two of us. :)

Hi great vid as always Silver

Hey Silver I just want to thank you. I first got into Mlp towards the end of 2015. Beforehand I heard a lot of horrible things about bronies. So I was really happy when I watched videos made by you, joshscorcher, and Dr.Wolf and found that their are some really amazing and hilarious people in this community that really go against those stereotypes.

@thebeavpercabethftw9604

7 жыл бұрын

I meant there.

5:45 A big part of that appeal is also that you have someone else telling you what to do. There are a lot of uncertainties especially for adults and choices were there is no right answer. So someone making a completely just society with clearly defined rules is a comforting one. That you just have a set of clear and written rules and as long as you follow those rules you will do well. Today we are very strongly encouraged to be ourselves and to be free but not everyone wants that. How can you be yourself if you don't know who you are? It's much easier to just be who someone tells you to be.

good take on both royal sisters! :)

Subtly ending threats to their power/affection. So are taking about Nightmare Moon or a Sith Lord here?

@ZeroRoyale

7 жыл бұрын

Incitos 98 why not both?

@incitossol

7 жыл бұрын

Devan Royal Cause lightsaber and force using Moon goddess is just the tiniest bit over kill.

Excellent analysis. Well done. While it is fun to fantasize about dark worlds, we would not want to live there.

The one thing I noticed was that people assume that in the NMM-verse, that she'd only been in power for a short time. But what I took from the ep was that, because the castle was NOT Canterlot's castle, that it was within the forest (to a degree), and that every pony in there was intensely loyal to her, that NMM had in fact been in power for a very long time. Perhaps several generations; enough time that any fear and resistance from the populace might have been subsumed with obedience and fanatical loyalty. Those guards, though hostile, held themselves proud where they stood. If NMM had been in power only one generation deep, ponies like Rarity and Rainbow Dash wouldn't have had the ingrained harsh attitudes they showed, as they would have grown up in a kinder environment until NMM took over. That said, in a clearly militaristic state as that world had, with forces clearly loyal to her in every way shape or form (no doubt because she pressured them to be in that position and they had long since accepted it and grown to ENJOY it), I agree that no threat would have dislodged NMM. Where Celestia would have negotiated or sued for peace, NMM would have merely deployed her military and her own might to wipe the floor with a threat. She would probably get great pleasure in having the most powerful and undefeated military in the world... knowing that no matter how strong they were, none of them, collective or alone, would be able to match her or beat her. She had that world in a very stable nutshell.

I wish we could have explored more of Nightmare Moon’s kingdom because all we can do is speculate from the glimpse we got.

Nice analysis, Silver-Quill.

I only wish we could have a leader like Celestia lord knows we need it

@TheRealSparkplugTheFox

7 жыл бұрын

Frost Bear your thinking of nightmare moon I'm talking about a leader who actually CARES about their people not how they can drain every drop of blood from them they could then move on, just watch as soon as America crashes trump is gonna jump ship or simply blow it all up because he doesn't want others playing with his toys

@TheRealSparkplugTheFox

7 жыл бұрын

Frost Bear and has had a 1000 years worth of peace, she cares about her people. trump has offended just short of the entire world, is making cuts that is going to kill off a good portions of its people, is hated across the world and more so by his own people and has an astoundingly unreal perception of reality and all the while bitching about 'how mean people are to him' and how he wants an apology. Celestia is loved, respected and is seen as a respected ruler among other rulers and has keep peace through hard ships and has a prospering nation her weakness and easy defeats to allow others save the day is mainly doe to the plot.

@TheRealSparkplugTheFox

7 жыл бұрын

Frost Bear is it because she insults them? is it because she threatens to 'drop a ton of bombs on them'? has she gone and outwardly attacked other? take the dragons, the reason they hate pony's is likely because of their power and pride? have they made any indications that they would want anything to do with pony's? Celestia probably respects that and leaves them be, they haven't been outwardly hostile and keep to themselfs so why bother them? changelings natural enemy's though I do like the crystal kingdom theory where chrysalis and king sombara ruled together but you can look it up yourself. Celestia isn't shown as a tyrant and has been shown to be respectful of other nations its not like any country has gotten along with everyone in the world. we have trump who's gotten used mocked by North Korea. North. Korea. America has become a huge very dangerous joke.

@TheRealSparkplugTheFox

7 жыл бұрын

Frost Bear not my fault they don't branch out and trade with others but they're prosperous enough with out it, sure they would make more but they don't need to. celestia being bored smiling and waving is better then trump screaming and foaming at the mouth about how people don't like him and how no one is rolling over and taking it from him with his daconious cuts and his bankrupting america

Safety and security are delusions. Being prepared for the worst is usually the best defense against hard times, not employing a tyrant who promises a safe world, but gives nothing but misery. Smart insight as always. Great job, Silver Quill!

Silver, your analyses really are thought provoking and I always take joy in listening to them!

I think you're trying way too hard to get a feel of nightmare's rule based solely off of her shouting exposition. I realize that there isn't much else but still. Plus there is a difference between having the ability to manipulate time itself, and people cheering on some flying stunts.

this was a nice video.

Thank you for making this, SilverQuill

This made me think that the NMM world is like Thomas Hobbes quote that 'To escape the "brutal" life, people (pony) enter a social contract; Agreement to give up freedom for an organized society. A absolute monarchy to impose order and compel (force) obedience.'

prefect pear is going to hurt

Well said, thanks to #Faust for her elder daughter, the best pony and ruler of a world we all enjoy ^^ Very nice review and good editing too. Always enjoy seeing a new video from you Silver.

silver I want to right a story of resistance against that version of nightmare moon and you have just taught me how to right nightmare moons dialogue and actions, thank you.

I'm glad to see you're still passionate about mlp, Silver, what with the recent adpocalyse and the decline of the mlp fandom, and all.

Season Seven finale- Cutie Mark Crusaders Vs. Queen Chrysalis

What's the music playing when Silverquill talks? 'Cause damn it's creepy! 0_0

The one thing that always gets me is the people who make the claim for nightmare moon's future with the plants haven't died forgetting that there in the ever free forest through the entire look of this future, with the possibility of discords statue been destroyed might explain why the plunder vines wouldn't show up, meaning the tree of harmony would most likely still be around at the time the twilight shows up but it would most likely be on it's last legs and if the tree of harmony is the reason the ever free forest is still around, then when it goes the forest will go and most likely the last from a vegetation left in Equestria. Heck in most fan fiction we're she rules someone has to tell her about sunlight being needed for plant growth, so she modifies the moon to do so.

"Those who surrender freedom for security deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin That quote sums up my view quite succinctly, though I do like how you go in-depth on this subject.

Rarity could become Nightmare Moon's dress designer.

@hariman7727

6 жыл бұрын

Heaven help her if she ever made a poor design.

I feel like this video should be transported to the past; *bad flashbacks to all those horrid Lunar Republic and Solar Empire days* Am I the only one who noticed that Nighmare Moon's voice is lighter in the later seasons? Compare to her debut her voice was much more deeper and elegant

@hariman7727

6 жыл бұрын

I tried to read some of the Lunar Republic stuff, and it beginning with Luna just kidnapping whoever she came across was just insultingly bad. Also, I think the voice acting changed because it was so long between the appearances.

I like that these kinds of questions can spark into analysis like this. The analysis really make you appreciate the different facets of freedom and benevolence by looking at how they're practiced, really looking at the good they're brought and will continue to bring, and realizing what the consequences are if they were taken away. Yet... the fact that these questions were asked in the first place scares me, because that means some people actually believes that the world would be better off with the alternative of strict and false security.

4:00 THANK YOU. The amount of people that don't see this as proof of an inbalance of competency of villains...

I very very much agree with Silver on his assessments here. Another Broney, whom I will not name, made an earlier video applauding the world made by Nightmare Moon. Freedom to choose your own path gives hope. We need to fix the balances between security and freedom. Too much of either is bad but with anarchy there is still hope. Anyways to put my thoughts succinctly we need to find the sweet spot between security and freedom. So I say it should be mandatory by law that all citizens own a gun and regularly go to rifle ranges to train. How many times have you heard of a mass shooting at a gun show or NRA meeting? To contrast that how many times have you heard of mass shootings done in areas that ban guns altogether? Those are just my thoughts on the situation really.

@hariman7727

6 жыл бұрын

If you have too much security, you can't even speak against the people taking your freedoms away in the name of "the greater good", or "society", or "for the children". And when you can't speak out or argue against abuses, you have neither freedom nor security. So it's actually a false choice. You can't have security if you aren't free, because giving up your freedom to the government means they can take it away. Also, on a related note: London banned guns, but is now having a major problem with knife attacks, and no NRA member has been responsible for causing a mass shooting, but some have stopped mass shootings before they started, or before more damage and death was caused.

Nightmare Moon's reign...... Soviet Russia much?

@AlexisDevilman

6 жыл бұрын

:D yes...

@theboivenom4170

4 жыл бұрын

Just add in some of starlights old philosophy and you got it.

fabulous video! see you in a few weeks with my son and niece at crystal mountain! Love jungian archtypes, myths, etc!

I always have an issue with the "crush the statue" idea. Discord was not turned in a statue he was incased in stone. If the statue breaks then he comes out (which probably is hard to do). Likly Nightmare moved the statue to an isolated, secure place where no choas could break discord out. (like areas without argueing fillies)

@AlexisDevilman

6 жыл бұрын

it's just an example

Yay Celestia!!

Would being in NMM's kingdom nesscarly be bad? I suppose it would depend on if you liked the idea of supporting NMM. To support her rule at cost to yourself. Sure, we certainly look down upon such self sacrifice these days, but we're talking about a fictional character who in theory is immortal and keeps the kingdom running. She's not going to let all of the ponies die off because she needs to feed her ego. To be praised and worshiped. Keep her happy, and all is well. To be honest, NMM seems a little like the Old Testament God. Demands worship, sacrifice, obedience. Server her and obey her, and gain her favor. But woe onto those who displease her, for she is a vengeful and jealous goddess.

@hariman7727

6 жыл бұрын

It's not the same. Nightmare Moon wants adulation, adoration, and love. God, even in the Old Testament, was and is always trying to guide people to be better people via their Godliness and worship. The methods are very different during the various biblical eras, but it's always the same goal of getting people to rise back to and strive for the paradise of Eden via their faith and actions. So, going by God's actual goal of guiding and supporting people in their study of the Bible (or God's teachings, in pre-Christ days) and improvement by learning from the Bible (or the prophets and God's word before God's Word was recorded in the Bible), Celestia is the better comparison. Although I prefer comparing them to various kings, queens, prime ministers, emperors, "president for life" people, and other rulers.

I know it's not targeted to specific people, but rather just Silver's general thoughts on the subject, but I still love how he just shits all over Lily's own video on the same subject. I always enjoy Silver's work and thoughts on the show and it's inhabitants.

We're all forgetting that, for all intents and purposes, Nightmare Moon is legitamitely a parasite on Luna, one of the standing rulers of Equestria. Letting Nightmare Moon rule is akin to letting one person suffering from a brain-controlling fungus rule the populous.

Sure you should fight for your freedom but in "the cutie-remark" Equestria lost every time. With Twilight and her friends Celestia's Equestria is obviously the best but without twilight there is nobody to step up after Celestia falls (it looks that way at least). I think for most people that's the argument: Since without the mane six as friends Celestia's Equestria is doomed to fail, who would make the most acceptable leader.

@CuteMargaritaNeko

7 жыл бұрын

buffposter If I can bring here some Doctor Who, I think that connection between mane 6,when they got their cutie mark together, is one of those fixed points in time. "Fixed points in time were moments in the space-time continuum at which events were set in stone and could never, ever be changed, no matter what, with dire consequences if such a thing happened." Equestria would be doomed no matter what if this fixed point would be changed.

@MyRkAcc

7 жыл бұрын

buffposter that is one of the issues i honestly had with the episode. makig the world depend on 6 mares, then again all we saw was vad scenarios. You could argue that the posibilities are endless and the magic just picked the worst ones to force twilight to fix it. imagine if she ended up in a world better then her own somehow. No reason to rush heh.

@writer_man5318

7 жыл бұрын

Actually, Equestria didn't lose in the Sombra one - it was still going and going by the scenario, it appeared Equestria was pulling ahead in that fight. The only loss is the natural loss of war. That is also the only future in which Celestia was not taken down in some way beforehand and thus allowed to rule. And, even if they lost in the Changeling future, they made themselves a big enough issue for Chrysilis to personally go after that. The other issue is that a big event was omitted to make these futures honestly possible - Discords chaos seeds were completely ignored.

In this regard , and this regard only isn't Nightmare Moon the supirior leader . Why shouldn't Celestia eliminate Discord or Tirek , they were existential threats to society . Would anyone consider it wise to give Hilter or Stalin a second chance , they are essentially the same kind of threat to our world as Discord and Tirek in equestria . Why would someone take such a risk , which if it failed could have such devastating consequences ?

@magnusprime962

7 жыл бұрын

Jacob R. Because they have the ability to contain them and they prefer to win people over rather than eliminating them. Sometimes it doesn't work, like with Tirek, and sometimes it does, like with Discord. If Discord had been killed, the Changelings would have won in 'To Where and Back Again'. You can't learn from your mistakes if you're dead.

@magnusprime962

7 жыл бұрын

Jacob R. Because they have the ability to contain them and they prefer to win people over rather than eliminating them. Sometimes it doesn't work, like with Tirek, and sometimes it does, like with Discord. If Discord had been killed, the Changelings would have won in 'To Where and Back Again'. You can't learn from your mistakes if you're dead.

@jacobr.1153

7 жыл бұрын

I would most definitely disagree , in a Nightmare Moon "police state" changelings would have been long destroyed , which brings up again my point , better be safe than sorry . In the real world you eliminate the equivalent of Discord , Tirek , Chrysalis and don't gamble with the lives of innocent citizens . P.S. You have double posted .

@TheDapperDragon

7 жыл бұрын

Let's not forget, Celestia gave Discord a 'chance', explicitly, and in her own words, so that 'he could use his magic obediently." This was not the action of one who wished the best for an old foe. This was a ruler putting another weapon in her arsenal.

@jacobr.1153

7 жыл бұрын

That's playing with fire , imagine if Roosevelt or Eisenhower where to keep (somehow) Hilter alive so they could use him - in some other way weaponize him , wouldn't that be a huge risk ? And what about Chrysalis , Tirek , Sombra why not actively seek out to eliminate them .

Oh sure. Go the extreme of Nightmare Moon in charge. Completely bypass the Lunar Republic and Luna. :P But it is definitely an interesting analysis of different types of rule.

I swear Silver: You, JoshScorcher & Dr. Wolf are the only reasons I stick around in this fandom anymore

@hariman7727

6 жыл бұрын

No love for Brawny Buck, MisAnthro Pony, Lightning Bliss, and Sketchy the Changeling? ;)

Suppressing individuality and/or identity? Placement of herself as the supreme power and authority? This is pretty much FO: New Vega's Caesar in a nutshell! Forget the Lunar Republic, this is Nightmare's Legion!

@taddad2641

7 жыл бұрын

...... not to mentiona our real world XD. entire governments filled with idiots like that man. it is reality, and will be reality till we decided otherwise

those who sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither

Happy Summer Sun Celebration Silver

I love your analyses of things like this. Not just episodes, but concepts like this.

To everyone saying security is better than freedom, as a German let me tell you that that is not a good idea. Trust me, we tried it.

@grainneorgracequinn2888

7 жыл бұрын

Star Gear I think I know what you mean...

@hariman7727

6 жыл бұрын

Now to convince the "Democratic Socialists" and the Millenial Socialist supporters that YES, we really are sure that socialism will fail and get people killed. Because, you know, ANOTHER example happening right before our eyes (Venezuela) is getting ignored. Also, "Democratic Socialist" is someone who is lying to themselves about Socialism. It always starts with control, and ends at the point of a gun. Communism's only difference with socialism is that Communism starts at the point of a gun.

I'd serve in Nightmare Moon's kingdom. All hail the cold mistress of the night!

@darkflame728

7 жыл бұрын

Your screen name would be a perfect royal guard name. :)

@empeanutson

7 жыл бұрын

In this kind of perspective, the New Lunar Republic would be very twisted.

@MyRkAcc

7 жыл бұрын

issue is you would be on one of two sides, against the wall or the one shooting the ones against the wall. and even if youre the second, doesnt mean you wont end up against the wall later.

@TheIndigoEclipse

7 жыл бұрын

Perhaps. but if you consider her to be like the bible's Old Testament version of 'god', then you may come out alright. Vengeful, jealous, willing to smite down any who oppose her commands. Yet honestly, she seems to ask for few things. Adoration, attention, service. Essentially, worship her, follow her commands and she is content. She and Celestia are living deities in many respects. Instead of reading about some 'god' who might or might not exist, NMM would literally be in your life. It adds another aspect to the whole situation.

@MyRkAcc

7 жыл бұрын

Indigo Eclipse If your in the castle itself yeah sure, but the land is large and tyrants who love to (ab)use their power tend to have underlings who do the same. You would more likely be under the mercy of one of the underlings. And to be fair even if you are there close to her, one mistake can end up costing you your life in such a authoritarian regime no matter your station unless your the top dog. Fall out of favor with the tyrant for whatever reason( maybe even a fake one as someone who doesnt like you just frames you) and boom you get a one way free chariot ride to the sea. Might be in some sense better to be a nonody in such a world then.

these kind of deep and in depth thought processes is what makes silver quill so great

A world ruled by my favorite princess and where it's night forever I vote for that world.

I think you might want to look at Lily's glass of water video in response to this. She more or less makes the point that you're viewing Nightmare moon's kingdom through a lens of Nazi Fascism when it's more like a fairly standard monarchy.

@MLPSilverQuill

7 жыл бұрын

Aiden Cote I've been very disappointed by Lily and have no interest in investing attention. The freedom she dismisses gives her the right to have another opinion. It also gives me the choice on how I spend my time.

@MLPSilverQuill

7 жыл бұрын

Shivam Kamil She flat-out stated that "freedom is a hollow concept" in her original Down with Celestia." I asked for clarification in the comments of said video. You can find out more there. Beyond that, you too have the freedom to choose what you believe, but it gives me no reason to watch Lily.

@Wylyth-nr3hq

7 жыл бұрын

Now Silver you seem to have selective memory, because what Lily said in the reply to your comment on that video was "To elaborate: Freedom doesn't mean shit if your home is burnt to the ground and you're lying in a ditch starving to death." which I have to agree with. If im in some anarchy situation where I have to fight (and possibly kill) to survive, the last thing im gonna think of is "At least I have my freedom". Balance. Everything needs balance. Enough govenment to prevent people or organizations from hurting others, but not too much that the government hurts the people.

@MLPSilverQuill

7 жыл бұрын

Wylyth Farraige-Draíochta I agree on the need for balance, but I don't view "Freedom" and synonymous with "Anarchy". I view freedom as having greater options for one's self and one's future. Anarchy reduces people to immediate survival needs and caps off their potential. Authoritarianism does not feature the balance you describe. You trade over control to an authority that has no check or balance to ensure it makes good on its promises. This is where Lily "in a ditch" comment comes into play. Notice that it doesn't speak to any benefit for people. It just invokes fear of death. Often times authoritarians seek to generate fear so that they later have the availability to say "give us this control and we will keep you safe." But once that control is given, how do you have a voice? I also view the security offered by authoritarianism as an illusion. Unless the people in power can control the very elements, there's no way to remove risk from the world. We can prepare, we can prevent, but we cannot control. So if I give up my own rights for a fake security, how have I benefited? But let me clarify: I am not skipping Lily's video because we disagree on government viewpoints. I'm skipping it because I've seen how Lily has conducted herself over the last two years and how she's treated others. I am disappointed by what I see and so I am not investing energy in her videos now or in the future.

@writer_man5318

7 жыл бұрын

Wylyth You are confusing absolute freedom with government freedom. Absolute freedom is the removal of anything that puts you in check - anarchy, chaos. That is not the freedom people talk about. They are talking about the freedom of rights and choices - I can disagree with my government. I have the right to an attorney. I have the freedom to watch a movie about other governments. The idea that Lily has of freedom is at the extreme side of the spectrum and, in honesty, is not something spouted by Celestia either. There is control, but it's a soft hand rather than heavy handed. Celestia's rule creates more chaos from outside forces, but it also creates stronger stability. The country can live when Celestia is taken down because she allowed and nurtured individuals who can step up when there's problems. Nightmare Moon seeks to smother this potential because she must not be challenged. A police state is only appealing because of security it appears to present rather than the actual security that it is. Police states are people living in fear, paranoia, and ignorance. They are fed propoganda for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and there's no change in menu. They are also much more likely to instigate wars in order to scapegoat those who work against their ideals in order to show themselves as better than a counter. Most who speak in favor of NMM's regime only looks at the heavy hand of their laws - the killing of opposing forces but miss exactly what the citizens go through in these countries. Look at Rainbow's fear at Celestia's name. Look at Rarity's casual racism. Look at how neither followed their passion. Look at how few ponies are actually in that castle. Look at how hardened Rainbow is. How serious Rarity is. These are people in NMM's direct employ who would have better lives than the rest of the country. NMM seeks devotion so art would be dedicated to that. Canterlot was the city Celestia created with her own castle, can we be sure she didn't destroy it? Apple Bloom, Sweetie Belle, and Scootaloo have a cutie mark about helping others find their passion, can we honestly say they can still get their cutie mark when someone's passion could be against NMM's regime? What about other cutie marks? Twilight, Starlight, and Trixie - all three have a mark in magic, are they alive, have a mark, or just curttailed? Where's Cadance? The people aren't safe and they aren't free. They are only in an illusion of safety.

So who here heard a few common things between the current American president (I refuse to say his name) and what Silver talked about with House of Cards?

@MadameRaven1

7 жыл бұрын

Justin Archibald I remember reading a study just before the election, that spoke of people voting for dictators when they feel insecure. A lot of people on the right was feeling insecure before the election, so here we are. And yes like House of cards, he cares nothing for the country or the people. This is simply my observation.

@MDWolfe-ks5fu

7 жыл бұрын

Mother Raven Or better yet, a group of minority that gives a repression to the people on the right to speak. It's not just one man who's doing it. Think about it, those groups trys to humilate, sueing, or telling them to shut up on those who disagrees with them because these stupid group thinks the right are being prejudiced when it's not the case when they are speaking the truth.

@MadameRaven1

7 жыл бұрын

Oh no, it isn't one man who is doing it. I was simply bring up the tendency to vote for repression, thinking it safety. As it was apropos to the video. On the whole and entirety, 99.9 percent of politicians on both sides of the isle are corrupt and basically bought and sold by those who have the money to control. Personally I lost all faith in the DNC when they refused to listen to the vote of the people and pushed a woman who couldn't win. The right had the opposite problem, they allowed the people to vote in an inexperienced, idiotic, sociopathic narcissist with zero experience. And now they face 4 years of damage control and attempting to stop him from blowing up the world. The entire country truly faced the vote between Scylla and Caribdis. I had hoped it was a perfect chance to ditch the 2 party system, but people still believed the lie of only two choices.

@hariman7727

6 жыл бұрын

I see the opposite happening right now. We have a President who is actually sticking to his word to clean up DC, but he's treated as a Dictator because doing so takes power from the Entrenched Bureaucrats and from the corrupt politicians. The leadership of both sides of the aisle are corrupt to varying degrees. One side far moreso than the other. And the bureaucrats themselves are the worst problem, as they literally tried to affect the election instead of accepting that their candidate might and did lose. I would also point out that there's about 35 to 40 years of scandals for the other candidate that points to a MUCH worse corruption track record. Like the miracle story of turning 1000 dollars into 100000 dollars via months of perfect trades to make a profit every single time. Or the fire that oddly only burned important records needed for a trial. Or... well, we'd be here all day if I listed all of them.

That was very clever and wise of you silver quill

I think this may just be the best video you've ever done. Excellent work!

As always Silver Quill has fair points to raise . Yet lately , the overreliance on archetypes , in the end detracts from the high quality of the work . As soon as one were to recognize that archetypes are nothing more than gloried stereotypes , the interesting insights their lose weight . Surely our dear Silver Quill can in the future will moderate his use of "boxes" for the characters , as he always did , and engage again in his far more interesting three-dimensional approach , rather than base his points on archaic stereotypes - arche-types . (P.S. This remark is also on equestria daily)

@alextc5625

7 жыл бұрын

Jacob R. well it is a cartoon so its fair enough to assume that the characters in the show really only follow 1 archetype of course real people have many different views and cant be boxed in with an archetype but for now where talking about a fictional character

@starvoltnexus3139

7 жыл бұрын

Jacob R. I like it it's a current theme it seems he wants to cover different Arc types good for me because it helps my writing wish I knew What Ash Ketchum Arc type was though

@jacobr.1153

7 жыл бұрын

Muraia The Sagely , the issue is that many people notice the heavy reliance on archaic stereotypes (archetypes) , and many of them even if in the beginning they found it a fine change of pace , they may eventually consider it a loss of quality , and a cheap tactic to make more formulaic content without either much depth or effort , why is Silver Quill doing this they may ask . Of course most won't express it that way , or even express it at all , but it would be among their thoughts . Indeed , the short term statistics might not show it , but what about long term , the fact that the "Quill brand" will be associated with those practises and tactics ?

@starvoltnexus3139

7 жыл бұрын

Jacob R. Not sure but Archetypes are over used because they're subconscious

@jacobr.1153

7 жыл бұрын

Muraia , I rather doubt that archetypes are overused , it's the case that we can see patterns everywhere and ignore the contradictions , in every single example there is a counterexample . Among the most important Luna is Nightmare Moon , so what is the meaning of saying Luna is that archetype . It's absolutely meaningless , the only thing meaningful is that Luna sometimes acts like that a certain archetype , others as if another or not any at all . To believe that insight can be gained from stereotypes is absolutely laughable , and many of the viewers agree , yet they continue to watch it because it's Quill , but for how long ?

A fair counterpoint would be that indeed in the ideal world of My Little Pony the ideal ruler is indeed Celestia . Nonetheless, this isn't the utopia Equestria ! Thus when in times of crises , a more firm government may be the superior choice , should anyone risk giving Hilter a second chance . The Romans who prided themselves in their democracy-republic , gave power to one individual , the dictator , to deal with the issue . Of course the power has taken back after the crisis was resolved . Could we say that we to live in a crisis , a place where the oligarchs of wealth essentially rule and the democratic process has been long corrupted . Wouldn't we want , for as long it takes to resolve the issue , a more powerful leader ?

@glammy4402

7 жыл бұрын

Yes it sounds reasonable , but what about after the crisis is over ?

@jacobr.1153

7 жыл бұрын

Certainly no , I am for democracy . I am merely pointing out that we leave in "soft dictatorship" of rich oligarchs with immense power and ability no influence politics , and that you need firm and powerful leadership in order to deal with this and other major issues , so that true democracy can be restored .

@Carewolf

7 жыл бұрын

And how did it go for the empires that gave power to a tyrant? Did they give it back afterwards. You are literally arguing the Sith side of Star Wars prequels.

@jacobr.1153

7 жыл бұрын

I am literally arguing about the real world and not some scifi fantasy , Winston Churchill - hero of WWII , let millions die from famines in india to supply the allies in Europe . Black and white mentality and scifi analogies are very immature politics .

@Carewolf

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah you are arguing life would be better under Nazis and Siths. You are the villian, you are who good people die to keep from influencing the world

I'm still a Luna fan through and through, but i loved the points you brought up in this video and how you presented them. If i tried this i would end up stumbling on my own words too much to make a valid sounding point. well done!

One of the best analysis vid u have made. My opinion.