Hi, Software Engineer here; they're not decimals; it's major.minor.micro.patch usually (some folk do major.minor.patch), so you'd get 1.10.1, 1.10.2, 1.10.3, 1.11, 1.11.1, 1.11.2 etc It looks funky when there's just two numbers for regular humans, but once you get to three digits it feels less weird. But it doesn't make sense that a version number using decimal points *would* be decimals, as there's no implication of progress from 1.1 to 2.0 - going from 1.1 to 1.2 doesn't imply that they're 10% of the way closer to 2.0. Maybe it makes sense to nerds. :D *edit* aaaand obviously I'm the 1,000,000th person to make this comment.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've been educated by those smarter than me.

@jordillach3222

3 жыл бұрын

😁 It's funny, that wouldn't be confusing for speakers of European languages besides English, the black sheep in the flock: for separating decimals from integers we use commas, not dots. For instance, π = 3,14... (three decimal one four...). We use dots to separate integers from one thousand up. For instance, the radius of the Earth is 6.378,137 km (six thousand three hundred seventy eight decimal one hundred thirty seven) at the Equator.

@Anriuko

3 жыл бұрын

@@jordillach3222 How big is your sample size, in actuality? We don't use the dot to separate thousands in Finland. We do use comma as the decimal point though. As an aside; I actually prefer the dot, and I absolutely hate the fact that the numpad on my keyboard has a comma (below number 3) instead of a dot which would be infinitely more useful when using a calculator or programming. The dot just sits better visually, too. To merit the comma, at least it's more practical for handwriting. Ultimately the choice of symbol in syntactical separation is rather arbitrary, just like in programming languages.

@jordillach3222

3 жыл бұрын

@@Anriuko Well, that's interesting. I'm old enough to have learned at school things that may be obsolete now, so I may be wrong in my perception, but until these days in Spanish, my native language as a South American born, we use commas for separating decimals and dots to separate integers from a thousand up. In this respect, most people has not adopted the latest recommendations for using non breaking spaces for separating integers in groups of three, so we normally use dots as always. The notable exception to the dot and comma traditional usage in the Spanish language is Mexico due to the enormous influence of American English in their dialect, they use commas and dots like Americans do. Well, the Mexican variety of Spanish is very peculiar in many aspects, anyway. So, what do you do in Finnish now to separate integers from a thousand up if you don't use dots anymore?

@ocnarfchan4857

3 жыл бұрын

"regular humans" this guy software engineers

Affinity is on a yearly patch cycle anyway and we already had 1.9 this year, so 1.10 is more of a bonus patch. There was never a chance major new features were coming at the end of July. I am hoping the timelapse feature that was cut at the last minute from the 1.9 beta makes it in though. Given it's an unexpected bonus patch I'd be pretty happy with that.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Especially with the better rendering and processing power.

It's a bit missleading - their layers are actually objects. The layers palette should be called "object manager".

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting take. Never thought of it that way, but you're right.

@StephenHampton_DesignDesk

3 жыл бұрын

@@DaveConrey Perhaps actual "Layers" needs to be on your list? My biggest gripe is global swatches. If you copy an object from one doc and paste it into another, the swatch does not appear in the new document. You have to manually create a new swatch and reconnect it to the elements of the pasted item - a huge pain if you are pasting a logo that needs colour consistancy across multiple documents.

This reminds me of Apple's Snow Leopard. No real additions in terms of new features, filters, etc. etc. But yes, it absolutely is getting the underlying engine souped up ready for the shiny new stuff. Better that than just bolting on feature requests on top of the previous (current!) engine. We will get the new toys when the basics are solidified and the ground prepared.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed... but shapebuilder would be cool.

Yep that's exactly what they're doing. They're listening to the community and those features like text warping, live tracing, and shape builder I believe they going to add it It's just a matter of time.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

agreed

Don't look at version numbers as decimals. It's a version-number. Not a centimeter. It's just 2 numbers, before and after the dot. Just 2 separate numbers. That are independent of each other. 1 is the major version. 10 is the minor version. Some versions are 3 numbers like 1.10.3 and in that case the 3 is called the patch version. There's also build numbers.. I'm not exactly sure where those fit in. But anyway, .10 is not a decimal. So 1.10 is very normal.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I know, it's just funny to me.

@xzenor

3 жыл бұрын

@@DaveConrey Yeah I know! I totally got that! I typed all that text just to.. you know.. Just for.. yeah.. like... No, I didn't get that. 😢

Dave - I appreciate your optimism and glass half full mentality. I agree Affinity has been focused on "under the hood" improvements that will eventually translate into higher capacity offerings in future versions. That said, do many of the missing typical tools require the horsepower the 1.10 preview was giving? perspective warp? 100% vector brushes? clean boolean operations? vector erase and blob tools? I could see the need for it when it comes to 3d rendering like Illustrator has - and vector trace. Speaking for myself, but I'm sure many others as well, most of us are not dealing with 600,000 vector objects. I'd happily put up with some render slowness if it meant I could have all the standard tools to be able to complete my work inside Affinity completely.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I don't really know the answer to that, to be honest, because I don't have any idea how app development works, but I'm guessing Serif has seen the folly of Adobe, adding more and more features, making the applications more bloated and slow with each new iteration, and perhaps they don't want to be that kind of software company, where they are always playing catch-up with the processing power. Also, it's possible they already have some of these features in the sandbox, and recognize that the apps won't manage well without the upgrade. That's really the only reason I can see that they would put this update ahead of any others-because they think it's essential.

Version 2.0 has got to be a paid upgrade, so I think you're right... big changes for 2.0 and they're laying down the sound basis for what is to come. By the way I love Photo, I use it every day and I'd be more than happy to pay for a major upgrade in 2.0.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

same

@EjayT06

3 жыл бұрын

Is it confirmed to be a paid upgrade? I really hope not, I've bought the app and I don't see why I would need to pay for an update. Hope they don't go down the greedy Adobe route.

100% agree with your thoughts. And yes, as a mathematician I feel your 1.10 pain!

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Happy for the commiseration.

@jordillach3222

3 жыл бұрын

Not if you were a mathematician in a European country other than the UK. In languages like Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Russian, Greek, you name it, we use commas, not dots. For instance, π = 3,14... (three decimal one four...). We use dots to separate integers from one thousand up. For instance, the radius of the Earth is 6.378,137 km (six thousand three hundred seventy eight decimal one hundred thirty seven) at the Equator. Well, no, brexit has nothing to do with this 😆.

@Anriuko

3 жыл бұрын

Mathematicians don't own the dot! When you read a book, are you in pain when the period ends a sentence? I jest! The proper way to think about it is as a separator between different version numbers that decrease in magnitude from left to right. It's not an exact science, but the hierarchy is the same as in most numerical notation standards; left to right - big to small. You might as well write it as "1-1" or "1_1" or anything that helps the reader make the distinction that it's not "11", but basically major 1 + minor 1. You COULD just use integers for versioning and, say, use thousands to signify major updates, and hundreds, tens and ones for less-than-major incremental updates. It would just be even more difficult to read and keep track of.

@SoulPoetryandOtherWorks

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they are using hexadecimal? No that would be 1.A. Maybe sexagesimal?

Dave, I was wondering, if I have to print a booklet, should I export a simple PDF and give it to the printshop or should I arrange the pages myself? Not sure if I'm making myself clear..

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

My best advice is talk to your printer. They will likely prefer to do the pagination themselves, but they may want collected files over PDF. You'll need to tell them that you use Affinity Publisher and not InDesign or Quark Xpress. They may not have their own copy of Affinity Publisher, so they'll need to use PDF instead. Also, if you do use PDF, make sure your settings are for "Press Ready"

I'll be happy with it. I've never worked with THAT much, but I have had enough to cause some lagging. Can't wait to see what's coming next.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Same here.At the very least, the improved re-draw will be less distracting.

I could be wrong, but if it 'is in the software' just means that it is calculated/processed locally on your tablet or PC. (Note, Adobe does certain things on their servers 'in the cloud.') If this is true, the faster and more memory the device has, the better. But if they are showing 6,000,000,000 layers being processed with no lag, it (sort of) proves that the software algorithms are so efficient, the work can be done locally. This is very nice for folks that do not want to have to work online all the time. (Big shot at Adobe.)

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I would agree, and Affinity says that the power still does well on machines that may not have the best processing capability. Take a look at the video linked in the description for more info.

All I ask is PLEASE include a selection to path function. Pixelmator can do it, why not Serif/Affinity?

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that would be helpful.

Dave, since you are an expert, and yes I do look at you like one, are any of the Affinity products capable of making rhinestones or diamonds? Thanks for the video.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Depending on the actual end result you're looking for, it could be Designer or Affinity Photo. You can definitely make an illustrated version of one in Designer, but if you want more realism, you'll need to move over to Photo for textures and lighting. How to make one look realistic, I wouldn't know for sure (outside my skill set), but I believe it's possible.

Surely 1.10 is 1.1 so it is going back to a very early version. Looking forward to it - not sure I have had any issues with renders but I don't hit with 1000s of layers or 200000 x 200000 dimensions. Layers are useful but they can get a little crazy. Perhaps I will be using layers more and more now. I would have loved presets in all the filters (especially equations) and all the filters such as deform and mirror turn up in the live filters. Oh, and video rendering / video capture would be nice as well.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Layers are especially nuts in Designer. It's almost overwhelming to me

I have a feeling the Version 2.0 will drop right around Christmas with all the gifts included.. shape builder and envelope tool, which are the ones on my wish list to Serif Santa. Possibly an image trace tool, too.. Merry Christmas to us, Boom!.. I'm calling it.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

That's a solid assessment.

I never understood why Affinity designer put every object as a new layer. I use Inkscape at my studio, and Illustrator at my day job and both have use layers the standard way. Hopefully Affinity fixes that in version 2.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Best advice I ever got was to be vigilant with your grouping of objects.

I purchased 3 versions last year, but I still pay for photoshop. 🙄 I can't figure out how to use layer/text styles in Affinity, so I can't give up P.S.!😔 I need my styles...

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I actually have a couple videos on Text Styles, more relating to Affinity Publisher, but the concept is basically the same. 1. kzread.info/dash/bejne/c41lmqOPZce8p6g.html 2. kzread.info/dash/bejne/p5mKusGxcqjVmpc.html

Thanks for the update, Dave.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure.

I hope this is the framework for them creating a suite of apps like Premier (and After Effects especially) to topple and destroy the greedy evil monopoly that is named Adobe, along with their insidious subscription model.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

They haven't expressed an interest in developing a video app yet, because they want to perfect the 3 they have now, but maybe in the distant future. An alternative to After Effects would be nice.

Will they ever make Photoshop brushes work in Designer?

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I wish I could answer that, but I really don't know one way or another. My instinct would say no, only because of how little support they've given to other 3rd party plugins.

Yes very common for software Blender which I use is at version 2.93

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Well that makes more sense than 1.10.

How does Gnome go from 3.38 to 40? I don't know that either...

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

They make sense to programmers I suppose.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly, my guess is that they need to notate the passing of small iterations within the build and numbers with periods as separators won't break the code.

I started using Affinity years ago when I knew nothing about post-processing. I keep getting upgrades for free and telling others about their sales. Still everyone uses Lightroom and Photoshop. And I like Adobe, but Affinity does most of what I want, although I get the impression that if I had spent the extra $1000 or more I could change my image of a squirrel into a horse with only one click. I have bought hundreds of dollars of Topaz and DXO software for special uses and have not been charged for any upgrade by Affinity. How does Affinity do it? They need to charge more money and lower the software engineer ratio Affinity to Photoshop to something less than 100/1. Affinity has taught me how to do image processing for my initial $50. Now I would pay $1000's to get more functionality and ease of use from the system I now know. It ain't about the penny's.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%

The one major feature that Affinity needs is macro facility in the RAW developer persona. Macro for Jpegs is fine, but we need Macro for RAW. Big time.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I've heard rumor that they are planning on developing this more, but no clues as to when.

@wreford07

3 жыл бұрын

@@DaveConrey brilliant. long overdue

I'd be very surprised if we see V2 before 2022 going of past releases !

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

We'll see.

@IanMcCausland

3 жыл бұрын

I dunno, Affinity is a darling on Mac, I would not be surprised they are tapped to showcase next level stuff on next level Macs, maybe in an apple announcement? They transitioned to M1 ahead of the launch they obviously have a great relationship with Apple

We’re been stuck in Mac OS X for what? 15 iterations? 20 years?

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

True

Typically version numbers work like this; release#.version#.revision#.fix#. So its not really a decimal number.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I figured that's what it's about.

i'm having a lot of shitty troubles with Affinity publisher.... basic things which are nightmares... uff............... I wanna resolve this somehow. maybe i will try to contact you on the next days on instagram.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I might not have all the answers, but sure thing.

I"m pretty sure that if i upgrade Publisher to version 2, i will have to upgrade Photo and Deainger just to be able to use the link Buttons. And pay for the 3 softwares.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

That's likely.

_About this decimal business, does anyone know if Affinity made a Version 1.1 in the past?_ 🤔

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

They did, and truthfully, it's not really a decimal. The dot is more like a way to show volume vs. issue.

@QuantumPsychonautics

3 жыл бұрын

I'm excited about version 1..1 I heard that's coming soon.

These new layers in A-Designer are killing me... But I'll suck it up...

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I highly recommend grouping often.

It would be wonderful if 2.0 support Farsi or Arabic , I don’t want image trace or even shape builder. Only support Farsi. Why they don’t do that.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I have a thought about this, but I could be wrong. They're an English based company, so of course English would be the first language, and they probably have a lot of intent to do at least an Arabic version, but they want to get the program to a level that they are happy with before going wide across all nations. They may be working on it, but holding off on the release until all the ends are tied up.

Oh, these version numbers are completely arbitrary. Witness the Linux kernel being bumped up from 3.38 to 4 without any major changes because Linus Torvalds didn't want to go to .40 Perl 5.34 is looking to jump to Perl 7 sometime soon, probably by making some optional features the defaults because work on Perl 6 derailed Perl 5.8 for three years while everyone tried to figure out what was going on. Perl 6 eventually became a completely different language, Raku. Slackware 4.0 jumped to 7.0 because most of the other Linux distributions were at version 6 and Slackware wanted to celebrate that it was in fact the oldest Linux distribution, not some lagging distribution still two versions behind everyone else. And for that matter macOS 10.15 going to 11 and then 12.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

So weird.

Damn i should of bought it when it was on sale. You think the sale be back

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Probably not, but I was shocked when they gave the discount twice in less than a year, so they could surprise us again.

Their UI across the board has needed a facelift

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure I agree with that, except on the Ipad versions, but that's only because I have bad eyes and can't make the UI bigger.

Maaannnnnn let’s just get a SHAPE BUILDER TOOL and be done with all this lol

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure they'll get there. For now, compound tool is your friend. Not the best solution, but still works.

@Kallah_DaughterOfYAHUAH

3 жыл бұрын

@@DaveConrey yeah. But also….ehhhhh. Not the same. But I’m not complaining. Just…you know…a shape builder type tool would change the game on this program!

kzread.info/dash/bejne/hX2e069xqdHRXdo.html Actually that is exactly what the Affinity Team answered in the comments section of the 1.10 Teaser to a guy's comment about more features.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to the next update...which is a few days late, but I’m patient.

For the love of all that is unholy PLEASE give us a trace feature in design!!!!!

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Not in the next iteration, but hopefully in the near future.

Their layers are too goddam confusing. Selecting shit is too hard. When something is harder than it is in Adobe Illustrator, you've screwed up. And I'm left with Inkscape. Oh, yay, me. :(

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I don't remember what the tricks are to selecting certain layers, but they exist. The layers in Designer are bonkers though. Group everything!

@TheKevphil

3 жыл бұрын

@@DaveConrey As I recall, THAT was the problem!

I just need them to fix the issue with smart objects 😅

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

What's the issue?

@likeafairy

3 жыл бұрын

@@DaveConrey the program botches mockups because the perspective of the smart objects is off and the layers aren't in the right order. And other times everything just gets blown to bits. If you look in the forum there are a few threads with Screenshots.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, I haven't experienced that.

@likeafairy

3 жыл бұрын

@@DaveConrey lucky you, it has been annoying the heck out of me for a while now 😅

Excellent information I want to get this software but I not sure which one is good to get and basically I want to design t shirts can you please let me know which one will be the best to get???

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I actually have a video for that. kzread.info/dash/bejne/nYdn1Lh9kbO3aco.html

@EJ3.16

3 жыл бұрын

Okay excellent thank you very much, you very kind 👍🏻👍🏻

Also, they may well have listened to you, but decided that they want us to PAY for the next version in order to get what we asked for.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I anticipate that for sure. I fully expect 2.0 to have an upgrade fee.

@curtmantle7486

3 жыл бұрын

In the Tech Specs for each product on the website, there's a No Subscription section and it states in there that upgrades are free until version 2.0 for which there will be an upgrade fee.

@Mystic_Dragon_Art

3 жыл бұрын

It was always planned to make us pay again for 2.0, which is totally fair. They have to stay in business somehow. And since they are charging for it you know they're going to put the big features in to justify it.

@FanVidder72

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mystic_Dragon_Art Fair enough. They've played more than fair with us, when they offered the long term 50% discount deal. Compared to Adobe's extortionate charges, choosing this is a no-brainer. It'd be nice if the upgrade fee wasn't as much as buying the next full version.

Why do you video yourself in the car in mirror mode, it looks weird like you are driving a UK car.?

@DaveConrey

2 жыл бұрын

I was sitting on the passenger side of the car.

By Serif's logic 2.0 is mileeessssss away!!! Us the customers are at fault for thinking 2.0 was next. It is what it is.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know about miles away, but I think there are a few iterations away from it. We'll see.

Affinity needs animation or at least onion skin

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

I think that's a necessary add, but it may be awhile before it happens.

@sportsbluff4501

3 жыл бұрын

@@DaveConrey Onion skin isn't that difficult to add, just need to add a code to turn on/off a layer. And if they upgraded the systems capability to handle objects I think it's a prelude for animation which demands more

Adobe who?

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Being fair, Adobe is still the juggernaut.

@cmonster67

3 жыл бұрын

@@DaveConrey True, and it needs to keep trying to push the envelope in order to keep up its momentum since there's viable, inexpensive, non-opensource competition now.

I really don't understand the point of this video is. It's all heresay and nonsense. Why would they implement your "demands" as you put it, either they don't see the point, already working on it or just not a priority. Also there's nothing wrong with the version numbering, thats how software design works, almost every piece of software follows the same versioning rules. major.minor[.build[.revision]] (example: 1.2.12.102) So 1.10 means Major.Minor, 1 being the major release, 10 being the minor, so patching including fixes or additional features.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

See, how entertainment works is...

they dont need to take your advice we are already doing a great job

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

1. who is "we"? 2. Got you to click, didn't it?

one minute in and I am still waiting for the point.

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Kinda impatient, aren't we?

Pay Adobe monthly subscription don’t talk too much. You only pay less and one time payment and still complaining

@DaveConrey

3 жыл бұрын

Just because I never made videos about complaints about Adobe doesn't mean I didn't think about how bloated, clunky, RAM hogging their software is. Or how I had to pay an ever inflating monthly free for programs i never used. Or how their customer service is the worst experience on the planet and I always ended up coming people on KZread for the answers, which is what led me to Affinity in the first place.