You can have all the talent in the world, but if all you do is have good matches and have little creativity in terms or characters and stories, you're gonna lose people.

@johnharvelhines9803

5 күн бұрын

They think it’s still 2017 when the market for indie workrate was maybe at its highest, but we’re in the cinematic era now. We need some meat on the bone

@topeconhello

5 күн бұрын

@johnharvelhines9803 agreed. They are capable of doing it. The Hangman Page story, Toni Storm, the Patriarchy, MJF vs CM Punk. There have been moments of greatness in there but it's bogged down with a lot of dull, formulaic filler in between. Far too many jobbers are used on the main shows, there is a significant gap between the undercard and the main event. The midcarders have little to no reason for us to be interested in them. You've nailed the major problem though. Too much focus on having the best matches possible every week, overusing spectacular stunts for a big pop at the detriment of their product.

@nathanrushton627

5 күн бұрын

​@topeconhello if anything at least we got dad of the year Christian Cage from all this

@SefniAsheforr

4 күн бұрын

They’re not even good matches. Good matches exist because they blow off or continue a good story. That’s like saying the font in a book is really good, but doesn’t mean as much without actual sentences being written. It’s not even worth remarking upon if there isn’t a sentence or story to be had. Without a story a match is just two guys pretending to do anime moves to each other for no reason.

* hears latest AEW Dynamite ratings * Jim Cornette: "OUCH"

@MADGUNSMONSTER

5 күн бұрын

Corny & Last are going to have a FIELD DAY!!

@BetterCallJamie

5 күн бұрын

I’m glad, it’s new low Tony Klown needs a wake up call that he is the reason why people mock AEW it’s all Tony Klown, booking creative etc… it’s all because of him

@DemonCore618

5 күн бұрын

Tony doesn’t need to wake up, he needs to go to sleep and never book again

@user-uu3gw7yb1h

5 күн бұрын

*Hears lastest ratings* Corny: JESUS CHRIST!!! College world series didn't draw that many people. I played baseball in college let me tell you. It mostly the players families!! AEW is like a cut, that you never put a bandaid on, it's a slow bleed . Till you got no more blood left. Which is sad because AEW does have legit talent, that deserve proper development and training. MJF, POWERHOUSE, SKYE BLUE, JULIA HART!!!

@nocap4557

5 күн бұрын

“That all night gas station was open again”-Jim Cornette

Look at the bright side of losing Punk. Jack Perry got to use real glass! My biggest concern as a fan is whether the glass is real or not.

@mairey19

5 күн бұрын

I’ll tune out unless it’s real glass!

@johnharvelhines9803

5 күн бұрын

If there isn’t a high probability of wrestlers being hospitalized, WHY WOULD ANYBODY WATCH IT?! (joking)

@oMINCEo

5 күн бұрын

Imagine thinking that Punk was a savior, ooof.

@jamontoaster1

5 күн бұрын

@@oMINCEosavior? Nah. A draw though? Oh yeah

@TimeBomb014X

5 күн бұрын

Perry is super hot right now, he's on fire

If people only watch Dynamite because of the Big Bang Theory, maybe they should play an episode in the arena ahead of the show, to get attendances up

@TimeBomb014X

5 күн бұрын

Dynamite is Sheldon!!!

@CollegeBallYouknow

5 күн бұрын

@@TimeBomb014X Sheldon Cooper is All Elite!

@TimeBomb014X

5 күн бұрын

@@CollegeBallYouknow Bawwh god, Sheldon just hit Jack Perry with the Bazingadriver!!

@CollegeBallYouknow

5 күн бұрын

@@TimeBomb014X Jack Perry: _“Its REAL glass, cry me a river!”_ Sheldon: _“I am immune to your sarcasm.”_

@TimeBomb014X

5 күн бұрын

@@CollegeBallYouknow read that in Jim Parson's voice

Bringing up the college world series as competition when NXT put up record numbers against the NHL playoffs is something else. Btw why is dynamite the only show that openly yearns for a lead in audience to fool into continuing watching? I don't even know what leads into raw, NXT, or smackdown

@johnharvelhines9803

5 күн бұрын

I think Wheel of Fortune leads in Smackdown which is good, but I don’t doubt it won’t help much when they start doing episodes with the new host after Pat retired recently

@DJMYSTERYYGC

5 күн бұрын

I like AEW but agree, only thing they mentioned that I could see took away viewers was the Kenrick Concert

@paladynius

5 күн бұрын

AEW is a literal joke. People who watch College World Series, Olympic Trials, and Kendrick Lamar concert ARE NOT WATCHING AEW in the hundreds of thousands

@coltonwilkie241

5 күн бұрын

If I recall correctly some poorly acted terrible crime show leads into Raw.

@Caramelion77

5 күн бұрын

@@johnharvelhines9803that’s your local Fox affiliate. Each Fox affiliate around the country has a different lead-in show. Can’t compare broadcast networks to cable networks.

Start stop pushes, "dream matches" over stories, nonsensical storylines when they do happen, jericho, the refs, cringey promos, huge roster but nothing consistent and an almost non existent womens division. It isn't a "blip" or a 1-3 week thing. They've gone down 100k fans per year and keep losing. I don't want AEW to fail, but there needs to be a change if they want to be successful.

@MrBeardsley

5 күн бұрын

Punk was right, Tony Khan runs AEW like a man who doesn’t care about ever turning a profit because he’s rich enough to not care about the money. Hell, the fact AEW’s still operating at a loss means they probably get all kinds of tax breaks. That’s partially how Amazon survived for like 12 years before finally ending a fiscal year in the black.

@ifgwelf

5 күн бұрын

Nailed it, especially the dream matches over stories.

@HBK492

4 күн бұрын

Even more , nepotism, evps being an active talents and putting theselves over others, billions of titles that mean nothing, decaluation of the world Title. So basicly all the tings WWE was rightfully do put on the spot for, while IT is all good for aew

@HkFinn83

3 күн бұрын

I only see a little now and then but I agree from what I’ve seen, except maybe the ‘nonexistent women’s division’; every time I see AEW it seems like there a random girl wrestler shaking her ass

@akashgarg5224

3 күн бұрын

But then how they gonna get rating from meltzer

I’m not cheering for record low ratings because I want AEW to fail. I’m cheering for the low ratings, because right now the product is on the decline and I want someone to put pressure on Tony to fix his shows. The angle with the EVP’s cosplaying as the nWo has not worked, and I would rather never see another Young Bucks match. They have booked Swerve like crap since putting the belt on him, and they should be building him as a future superstar! Tony “books for the sickos” when he should be trying to book a mainstream wrestling program that actually draws viewers and money!

@franklingoodwin

5 күн бұрын

Do you think Tony Khan is the type to tale on the boards criticism? Anyone who's ever heard him speak or the way he is on Twitter knows he isn't.

@ahaubert80

5 күн бұрын

@@franklingoodwin I agree. He’s not the type to take message board criticism. What I’m hoping is that someone at WBD approaches him with the declining ratings and force him to make changes.

@franklingoodwin

5 күн бұрын

@@ahaubert80 They won't force him to make changes, those ratings are good enough for WBD. They're not Fox. Tony Khan will just say that apart Big Bang Theory reruns that Dynamite is the biggest show on their channel

@ahaubert80

5 күн бұрын

@@franklingoodwin I’m not saying what I think is going to happen. I’m saying what I want to happen. AEW had a really good product back in 2021! They added some hot free agents and it felt like they could be the future of wrestling. Now they have cold angles, feature guys that turn new fans away and two of the biggest guys in WWE are guys that got pushed out of AEW by Tony’s indie booking. Tony has decided to follow the lead of Jericho and the Bucks, and I’m not going to pretend those guys don’t have fans. However, the people that like them is shrinking by the day and that trend shows no sign of reversing.

@franklingoodwin

5 күн бұрын

@@ahaubert80 I'm just making the point that WBD are probably pleased with the ratings even at 500k viewers. We can want what we like but as long as AEW is Tony Khan's plaything and he's happy to take the losses he will continue to do what he likes. The only way I see you getting what you want is if he puts AEW on the stockmarket or if he gets bored of running AEW.

It pisses me off Jim Cornette is about to take a whole week to review it

@crunchytaco4472

5 күн бұрын

Great content on the way

@heavymetalsalsa9003

5 күн бұрын

He just uploaded his thoughts.

@venom74799

4 күн бұрын

No he didn’t. It’s up right now.

@alvinnarciso6130

4 күн бұрын

Why does it piss you off? Why even listen to him then lol

WWE’s week - Wyatt 6’s debut on Raw, Joe Hendry appears on NXT, and Jacob Fatu debuts on Smackdown. AEW’s week - reaches newest record low in the ratings.

@coltonwilkie241

5 күн бұрын

The best AEW could do was continue Swerve having a weird obsession with children. His feud with Hangman had him targeting a literal infant and now his feud with Will has him targeting Will's step kids. Is his character just a PDFile?

@grilla71588

5 күн бұрын

This should be top comment

@thegameking3931

4 күн бұрын

​@@coltonwilkie241how his character would be pdf when he isn't sexually hinting towards them. Also from what I heard between their promo swerve was talking about embarassing ospreray in front of his children and ospreray said don't bring my son name because it would get personal and swerve did that because he likes to trigger him by mentioning the name of someone whom he loves that. How can that be pdf. Example - if a man says he will embarass other guy in front of his family and wife and enjoy his wife reaction doesn't mean he want to fk other's men's wife it's just his character is narcissistic or ego maniac who loves to torture or embrass someone in front of his loved ones

@arinleoczko1250

4 күн бұрын

​@@coltonwilkie241If that's the case, then Bray Wyatt must be the worst one of the bunch, he had an entire chorus of kids sing to John Cena. You see the leap in logic there? How it makes NO fucking sense?

AEW wasn't created to make money, or even give wrestling fans the best possible show. It only exists because Tony Khan wants to book wrestling. That's cool, nothing against the guy, but it is what it is. I might check out a match after some buzz, but there's no reason to watch every week.

@MrSniperfox29

4 күн бұрын

Honestly I think the Punk criticism stung old Tony and now he is desperate for the media rights to make them "profitable" so people stop mocking him over it.

@THE_Dodge_Morningstar

4 күн бұрын

@@MrSniperfox29 Yeah that's a pretty good observation. Even if we don't know everything happening behind closed doors, Tony is still human, so I'm sure your take is true to some degree.

Imagine being carried by the Big Bang theory 😂

AEW also were the ones that initially cared so much about ratings. They were the ones talking crap about NXT ratings and saying they would compete with RAW. Now it’s fine to push that back in their faces.

@johnharvelhines9803

5 күн бұрын

They say ratings don’t matter now, but they’d be the first ones to celebrate and brag if they ever get over 1 million viewers again. It’s disingenuous

@ClintDevlin

5 күн бұрын

Didn't Jericho give himself the nickname "The Demo God"?

@gjfwang

4 күн бұрын

They needed it as a new brand. Raw and Smackdown are established with decades of ratings history

@zarghamali5167

4 күн бұрын

​@@gjfwang So now what how much time all elite shit needs to establish

@Fdatubeofyou

9 сағат бұрын

We’re they not supposed to mention ratings when WWE specifically moved NXT against them just to lower their ratings?

If you can’t beat Olympic trials and the college World Series, you have a bit of a problem.

@franklingoodwin

5 күн бұрын

People actually watch them Olympic Trials in the US? They don't even show them in the UK nobody would watch, even if they aired on the BBC.

@Crayon2395

5 күн бұрын

​@franklingoodwin no nobody watches them and the people who do aren't watching aew anyway

@allsaltdownhere

5 күн бұрын

They just put them on in bars so people have something to look at while they drink alone. ​@franklingoodwin

"Tattoo Removal Near Me" is currently in MJF's browser history

@tonyx8862

4 күн бұрын

should be osprey too

The AEW diehards can cope all day about this past Dynamite's ratings debacle, but all the cope in the world doesn't take away from the fact that year-to-year viewership is down over 40% and they struggle to fill house shows. Ever since Punk left (and really, he seemed to be cooling off before he finally left) interest in their product has slowly and steadily fallen. Can they recover?... Sure, but they desperately need an actual booker as opposed to what Tony is... a matchmaker. Anyone can pit Guy A vs Guy B, but there also needs to be a reason to want to watch it besides "work rate" and dangerous, risky highspots. These guys aren't really trying to beat the shit out of each other (and kayfabe is dead), so you need "heat" to allow people to suspend disbelief and enjoy it as if they really were trying to kill each other. I'd be truly surprised if AEW gets a new TV deal much beyond, dollars wise, the one they already have.

@selvaganesan32

5 күн бұрын

This comment, is the realest.

@ENFORCJW

5 күн бұрын

AEW aka Another excuse wrestling

@renlysotherlover294

5 күн бұрын

This comment is a joke. You’ve been convinced that this some sort of war by WWE and that all competition to WWE must be smashed. Youre a loser

@waterhose8467

5 күн бұрын

So Is this what you guys really want just for this show to die? Okay I do agree that the ratings have been not as well and that the show could be better but I don't want this show to die because there are people who work here? What if Tony Khan actually did step down in another wrestling manager step up like Scott the Moore or someone that he hired that has more experience? What if someone does that when people pay attention to AEW? I mean it's just competition at this point because WWE is doing pretty good with their consistency and storylines and even their marketing. AEW has been trying to do for marketing more better too but they're booking has been inconsistent but this week's dynamite was actually the best. Again if Tony called step down didn't say anything related to WWE at all and have some dude manage his booking I think people would actually pay attention again.

@paranoidandroid682

5 күн бұрын

and punk was cooling off because TK badly handled that Situation, if you are gonna fire punk (after the media scrum) so be it, but if you are going to bring him back, you have to protect him and promote him like the star he is, if not why would you bring him back? TK is a mark and a moron

Pro wrestling without compelling storylines is little more than athletic exhibition. I’m not feeling baby face MJF, the Ospreay Strickland challenge, or tournaments for meaningless titles. I didn’t like the women’s spots either because their dialogue was wooden and the in ring segment seemed out of character.

@lordsoth5276

5 күн бұрын

The tournaments are for world title shots this year. If you’re going to complain at least know what you’re complaining about. The rest is just personal preference. There are stories there, you’re just not into them, which is fair, everyone is entitled to an opinion.

@Milkmanoftheyear-zi9mm

5 күн бұрын

@@lordsoth5276y’all have 3 tournaments a year and that’s only for just singles action

@theraiderofdeath

5 күн бұрын

Okay, so you don't watch the product, got it.

@MADGUNSMONSTER

5 күн бұрын

​@@lordsoth5276 "Stories"? Tony Con couldn't tell a story to a child.

@DemonCore618

5 күн бұрын

@@theraiderofdeathnobody watches AEW lmao

A big reason is they had no 900,000+ lead in from the Big Bang Theory. If TBBT wasn't giving such big lead ins all the time in the first quarter, AEW's average would be in the high 600,000 mark every week. And you can say this is only one week so it's an anomaly, but everything AEW is down year after year after year. Attendances are poor, ratings are poor, the stories are poor, they used to be an alternative to WWE now they're just a poor man's WWE.

@goofygoob420

5 күн бұрын

Nah fr who is still watching the big bang theory

@johnharvelhines9803

5 күн бұрын

Early Big Bang Theory seasons were good

@jayh6903

5 күн бұрын

​@@goofygoob420 600k more people than AEW apparently

@Hypn0Ph6nk

5 күн бұрын

Literally everyone who doesn’t watch AEW 😂

@Schmidt6429

5 күн бұрын

@@goofygoob420 no idea. I used to like the show when I was a kid, but I grew out of it by season 4.

This is all Tony’s fault and the young bucks if they didn’t release that footage and stop booking stars like utter trash none of this would be happening 🤦🏻‍♀️

@hikertrashfilms

5 күн бұрын

They slit their own throats by siding with Jack Perry and the Young Bucks over CM Punk. Perry and Bucks are midgets, and half the audience would beat them in a 1-1 brawl due to how small they are. Hogan, Nash & Hall were all over 6’7”

@Jamieb1994

5 күн бұрын

If Tony & The Bucks didn't release the footage, then I might not have gave up on AEW.

@BetterCallJamie

5 күн бұрын

Tony and The Bucks are the reason it’s failing they won’t listen to common sense that no one wants to see the bucks, jungle jackoff. They push the wrong people constantly

@renlysotherlover294

5 күн бұрын

Grow up

@Blind_Sexy_and_Taken

5 күн бұрын

Let’s be honest the footage did not cause the ratings to drop all on its own. The ratings have been dropping ever since late last year in a major way. Ever since they forced out CM punk. Attendance has been down and readings have been down. The footage just kicked the decline into overdrive.

my favorite thing i heard someone said this week. "More people were dropped in Raw's gorilla Monday, then watched AEW on Wednesday"

In my opinion, the decline of Sucess for AEW is a good thing, just because they need to be humbled or be given a small reality check. They won't listen to the fan's concerns and complaints if they keep going the way they're going. People should really stop giving them money if you really want them to improve.

@imjustsomecanadianguyandis184

5 күн бұрын

It's only going to get worse. Tony won't listen nor will he step aside, this is his pet project and hobby.

@akashgarg5224

3 күн бұрын

​@@imjustsomecanadianguyandis184So like what we used to complain about Vince.

Sam: "if this is just a 1 or 2 week rocky period, that's 1 thing. But if it continues to track down that's when they start to worry" WTF Wrestlenomics reported this is the 31st week in a row ratings have been down year on year, even if next week is 700,000 that's still tending downwards. 800k was a considered a low rating 6 months ago

AEW hardcore fans making the excuse that record low ratings is due to a Kendrick Lamar concert (that would get 200K views at most) is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard about wrestling ratings. Being the most charitable here, but the fact people think they can't play AEW on their TV while stream the concert on another device, is so dumb. Can't people just admit that it might've been an odd week or that them not having the Big Bang theory to lead it in mightve hurt them this week. Things will be fine, fans just have to stop making silly excuses.

@erikhawkke4861

5 күн бұрын

I stopped the video when he said that with a straight face.

@big_tea1983

5 күн бұрын

Ummm...it was huge. 😂 happy belated juneteenth yall.

@jilujoilujiut2165

5 күн бұрын

How about june 19th nobody celebrates this as an actual holiday . They just added this a couple years ago and its a federal holiday so most people dont even have it off .

@reijiokada3295

5 күн бұрын

Lol fr, they always make excuses about it as if AEW is only one affected by it. NBA, NHL, concerts, etc etc... Things like this had happened in the past with WWE, and yet they always manage to get millions of views or close to it

@johnharvelhines9803

5 күн бұрын

It might’ve been those reasons, but I think it’s because a large large large number of people have 0 interest in watching aew. I did the math yesterday, the 502,000 people that watched dynamite makes up only .00151% of the US population. That horrendous

Putting all these reasons, saying it's up against this or that is ignoring the basic issue, AEW is putting out bad shows. It might work for Tony Khan, but it's clearly not working everyone else or these fans would take pains to watch the show or at least record it and watch later.

You guys forgot there was probably a Golden Girls marathon on some channel. Plus tge national marbles championship. Those definitely hurt AEW’s ratings.

@Sevenduece

5 күн бұрын

Yea man can't miss Sophia, and I mean it was down to the wire in an overtime marble vs marble battle... 2 marbles went in only one came out!!!

@johnharvelhines9803

5 күн бұрын

These excuses can not be serious 😭

@juniorkhomari1850

5 күн бұрын

Not like this though

@birck4293

5 күн бұрын

Picture it Jacksonville 2024 lol

@drez0352

5 күн бұрын

Marbles 😂

At least little Perry got to use real glass

The average viewer just doesn’t understand Tony Khan’s booking genius. -Dave Meltzer, probably

@TheGreat_Kramer1

5 күн бұрын

"And they're poor".

@WWE2KUNIVERSEELITE

5 күн бұрын

Thats the mind boggling thing if you really want to compete with wwe you need to get all types of viewers including the kids and families who are casuals.

@ringodeathstarr6070

5 күн бұрын

You clearly don’t follow wrestling observer. They constantly trashing aew booking.

@cosborne06

5 күн бұрын

@@ringodeathstarr6070 Meltzer’s not

@vb2806

5 күн бұрын

​@@ringodeathstarr6070dude Meltzer just used a concert as an excuse for aew ratings being low.

The excuses

Devante Rackley made a great video going over the ratings and he actually read the article talking about why AEW's ratings are down. One of the excuses was because of Juneteenth yet in the same article they said the movie Black Panther (which was on instead of The Big Bang Theory this week) didn't have as many viewers as the show has, meaning AEW legitimately relies on that show to boost their ratings. Another excuse was that "the weather was nice". I wish I was making that up 😂

to me, the grandeur of forbidden door isn't what it was because the NJPW talent you wanted to see now actually belong to AEW the dream matches are done and now the Osprey and the Okada (to name a few) moments are now no longer few and far between.

It's almost as if the company that barely has any storylines, and is just about wrestling matches, is not going to go down well! :o

The excuses for low ratings against other big events doesn't really hold up when you go back in time. AEW, when it was hot and had emerging stars, did very, very well in the ratings against the NBA/NHL playoffs and other sporting events. But those numbers declined year after year as disagreements about AEW's booking began to rise. This is booking for the sickos. Sure, you'll make them happy by booking pointless matches with no heat, but the general crowd you need to survive as a company will leave to watch just about anything else.

forbidden door has lost its original draw, i think its pretty obvious

@badonkeykong7506

5 күн бұрын

It's not very forbidden if it happens all the time.

I am a WWE fan but when I tried to watch AEW it seems unstructured it's all over the place. The continuity of the stories don't mesh

@sampleoffers1978

5 күн бұрын

That's how rass'l used to be before pc era and now it's two extremes in presentations, both with some awkwardness lol

As an American I can tell you that the college world series and Olympic trials just doesn't give the impact of other sporting events. There's really no interest outside of niche areas of the country.

Yes more places to work the better, but, people seeing wrestling for the first time will think wrestling sucks. Because their first taste is AEW. This massively applies in the UK with it being on ITV

Made a peanut butter and jelly sandwich yesterday tho

@QuiGonJack10

5 күн бұрын

Valid

@hueey_

5 күн бұрын

Dude hell yeah

@cosborne06

5 күн бұрын

6.5 Stars

@franklingoodwin

5 күн бұрын

You gotta remove the half of a star. He didn't eat it in the Tokyo Dome 😂​@@cosborne06

@leejames929

5 күн бұрын

Yo pog

Jesus a lot of excuses for the low rating. They were trying hard to find a reason to explain it.

“I’m struggling to figure out what it is” lol come on man ffs

The funniest part is AEW promoted MJF vs Rush the week before and said it was commercial free. I don't see how Tony can expect a huge pay day when NXT has beaten them past 2 weeks

They were coping so hard when reading why the raitings are low

And it's crazy because some people were even blaming Kendrick Lamar's concert that happened on Wednesday is the reason why AEW Dynamite did poorly in the ratings as well. But to be honest with you AEW Ring wrestling has been amazing but it's the story lines that has been convoluted and inconsistent and plus on top of that the way they're treating Strickland's world title run is very disappointing as well

What??? Are you trying to say that always putting on 5-stars matches doesn't actually make your company more money??? Nooooo. Can't be.

TK and co.- but we got 5 stars from Dave Meltzer and thats all that matters right? Sigh House of Black are stuck there for another few years 😢 lucky Trips was making the grass green when Punk called out WWEs grass wasnt greener at the time otherwise 😅

I've been following AEW since its inception, but over time I've been increasingly losing interest. It's hard to get invested in anyone because it feells like Tony doesn't know how to follow up storylines once the payoff happens, and the amount of wrestlers who have gotten lost in the shuffle over time is insane. They were providing great wrestling at a time WWE was the drizzles, but now WWE has picked up and AEW is doing nothing to pull me in

@shreder75

5 күн бұрын

Same here. I'm barely interested in dynamite these days, and I rarely watch rampage or collision.

Tony Khan needs to take these losses on his chin, take onboard that the general audience aren't interested in AEW's current direction, and change the company accordingly. However, he'll probably just ignore the downward trend, and not rectify what his potential customers are telling him.

There r more AeW fans online defending them then there is watching the show 🤔 i always knew they were bots, and blaming a kendrick concert is hilarious next its going to be "well that new ice t commercial" took r ratings down

"They've lost their biggest draw." Riho's still in AEW and back in the U.S.

It's probably not a good thing that you rely on an audience, not of your show, but of another to artificially inflate your viewer numbers to make your show look better. That they're blaming a movie for THEIR shitty rating says a lot to where their heads are at about this.

Either it's due to my 10 hour work days at the office or AEW just being boring but I fall asleep a lot during Dynamite 😵😵😴😴😴😴

@franklingoodwin

5 күн бұрын

I feel you. I still watch it every week. I don't tend to pay attention though

The main event should have been MJF vs Rush because you promote this Match for the last couple weeks

NXT going to CW this fall which is in even more houses, is gonna be interesting for AEW number comparisons. Tony should really regret ever bringing the numbers up publicly.

Forbidden Door to AEW is what Survivor Series (Raw vs. SmackDown) was to WWE. You essentially stop any storylines for a month to shoehorn in "exhibition dream matches" and lets be honest AEW has already signed the top talents from NJPW & CMLL. The concept was cool at first but when you can have a Zack Sabre Jr., El Vikingo etc. just show up on random episodes of Dynamite; having a Forbidden Door PPV seems pointless. Not to mention that due to politics you can't even have AAA and CMLL affiliated wrestlers on the same card together which actually contradicts the concept of the PPV.

Lmao that big bang quip from Sam had me creasing up.

Couldn’t agree more with Adam about the forbidden door aspect, I always find stories start to feel like they’re heading in a positive direction then take a back seat for the forbidden door build

@robstuart8474

5 күн бұрын

People criticised WWE for years, and rightly so, when rivalries took a back seat to Raw vs Smackdown at Survivor Series. WWE has pivoted away from that in recent times and notably Survivor Series has returned to being a top PLE. AEW has immediately started making the mistakes that WWE stopped making. Tony Khan refuses to learn lessons from other people and insists he knows better, all the while taking advice from the worst possible people.

One of AEW's biggest issues with viewers is that they cater to a particular crowd of people. AEW can't draw the casual viewer because they fail to get their viewers invested in the wrestlers from the likes of CMLL, NJPW, or the indies. They present them assuming the viewer already knows them. The only ones who do are the diehards and you now have even those starting to fail to watch. Before throwing a match on tv, AEW needs to tell us why we should watch it. The viewers need a reason to invest their time. Lately the product has been a little better with that but trying to get back those viewers who they already lost lost is another hill to climb.

The only thing I celebrate about AEW ratings dropping is Tony Khan not having the ability to boast and throw his dick around about how great AEW is and how evil WWE is. I wish nothing but the best for the company. But Khan is insufferable.

Adam is correct about the whole Forbidden Door time of year. NJPW doesn't have the stars they used to because they are all in AEW. It has become less special year over year. I think next year they should skip it and do something different. Maybe building a PPV around the Owen Hart Tournament.

@N17Stu

5 күн бұрын

Ah yes let’s build a tournament around a WWE made talent that we can’t use the footage of.

@michaelsuezo

5 күн бұрын

Not so forbidden anymore when the talents jumped ship to AEW or the pop up so many times throughout the year.

@vb2806

5 күн бұрын

Well Tony is just like Vince. He poached talent and left njpw helpless

@coltonwilkie241

5 күн бұрын

Who's even in NJPW now? Naito? That it?

For nearly 20 years, there was one big company to work in if you wanted to make money and the story they told about the Monday Night War for years after was it was good because competition made WWE better. Bishoff and Turner were not running a company to make WWE better though. I think there are a lot of people who are WWE fans first and wanted competition not because they wanted to watch something besides WWE but because competition would make WWE better so they could eventually switch back to that. If someone wants the product they grew up with and have a lot invested in to be good and they value that more than just watching who has the best show, then once WWE improves they'll go back home. It's almost like what happened with WCW, were WCW fans didn't switch over en masse to Raw, they just stopped watching wrestling because they were WCW fans first and there was no more WCW.

Man they certainly can’t use Kendrick Lamar’s concert as an excuse because the concert started closest to the ending of dynamite so it wasn’t that!

@whoiamiamnot2104

5 күн бұрын

What time zone are you talking about? I'm the United States it didn't matter what time zone you were in. The Kendrick concert started either when AEW started or about an hour before AEW started. The concert ran for like 4 or 5 hours.

@user-mm4sb3yw1f

5 күн бұрын

@@whoiamiamnot2104 according to people they saying that it didn’t come on til like 15-30 mins towards the end of dynamite on prime! I was working so I can only catch the highlight was they come on here! I would had love to had watch both AEW and then the Kendrick Lamar concert but unfortunately I was working that night so I watched everything after the fact! But a lot of other people are claiming that the concert was on prime no more the 30minutes towards the last of dynamite so if that’s the case people could had watched most of dynamite! But all these wrestling news outlets keep saying that AEW or I’m guessing TK used the concert as an excuse for low numbers! They all reporting the same lame excuse so weather AEW said it or not that yet another story no telling but if it is true it just another poor excuse

There's many things to comment on here but the fact is the ratings for a w Dynamite have been going down little by little and not just within the past few months but over almost 2 years. Cornet and other people have pointed this out. This is not something to be disputed and as a fan you should be concerned. And I'm not willing to just take anybody's word for it that this isn't affecting the negotiations with Warner Brothers. We're not in the room with them so who knows what's actually being said and what is actually being told to the public about it

I don't think any of those shows had to do with the ratings. College baseball has its own niche audience

I believe you meant to say, “Smackdown: here comes the pain.” While takin about great wrestling video games.

I don't think it's fair to say it's wrong to be happy at AEW's down turn. When a product isn't delivering, you want it to feel those effects so it can reflect on what it's doing and make changes. It was the case during the monday night war, and with WWE, and with TNA, and with myriad other companies that made choices that didn't pan out. Not everything against AEW is its own doing, but a lot of it is, and I think the kid gloves that certain fans use when talking about it do it no favors.

Now We all know that Sheldon Cooper is AEW’s real Star.

@franklingoodwin

5 күн бұрын

BAZINGA

Think about what you’re saying how it’s anomalous when the ratings have dropped from 900k to 700k this year. Going from 500k back to 700k does not mean everything is great.

It’s kinda impressive how bad their product is

Hello from across the pond. I'm sorry that half of us are completely fucking stupid

Now it’s the College World Series, Olympic Trials, and Kendrick Lamar. So what will be next weeks excuse? Maybe the heatwave here in the States.

@whoiamiamnot2104

5 күн бұрын

And if next week numbers are back to normal for AEW what will the excuse be?

@jaddwickstone7522

4 күн бұрын

@@whoiamiamnot2104 respectfully, what would be a back to normal rating for AEW? Remember there was a time where Dynamite opened over a million viewers. It’s the decline that keeps happening.

I hope this is the kick in the ass that finally leads to Tony getting a genuine writer. “Booking” is one thing, but genuine writing is something else. I want AEW to truly succeed, but the show needs to be must see TV. Show us why we need to tune in.

People like to blame the sports games as to why the ratings are so low, but they forgot that those happen every year. The first year of aew averaged 1.2 million going against the NBA now they're down less than half of that.

AEW was red hot after Brawl Out. Tony's failure to capitalize on that heat was a major blunder. Now WWE is super hot, and they are using Cody and Punk perfectly. It makes AEW look like yesterday's news.

Bad week in number of audience but man dynamite was equal to wwe ppv. I loved this episode please keep putting these type of episodes.

Everyone wants AEW succeed, but when talking about fans discussing ratings, demos, TV deals remember where that started - with TK (and Meltzer and SRS). Can’t be bragging at one end and then saying it doesn’t matter on the other. AEW is a TV product (it is where all the revenue comes from) so they do need to do something about this or they will end up on TruTV

If they're making a point of saying they didn't have the lead in from Big Bang, doesn't that suggest that this is a true reflection of how many people actually tune in for AEW?

Forbidden Door is for the Wrestlers themselves and Wrestlenerds. Not for ‘regular’ wrestling fans. We want stories not just ‘dream matches’ against opponents we don’t know or care about

5:08 "Clowdio" actually is the proper pronunciation, at least in German and Italian

MJF makes a huge mistake re-signing with AEW instead of WWE

@johnharvelhines9803

5 күн бұрын

To be fair, he’s probably making 4x in aew now than what WWE probably offered him. For his professional work, he probably should’ve gone to WWE, but being beyond financially sustainable is far from the worst thing in the world to be fair. I don’t even like aew, but I probably would’ve taken that deal too 😂

@vb2806

5 күн бұрын

Nah, everyone should make their money off the Nepo God. Take all of Tony's money

@coltonwilkie241

5 күн бұрын

He probably already got that ugly tattoo covered up.

@paranoidandroid682

5 күн бұрын

would wwe want him? yes but not that badly, people overrate their interest in him

@grilla71588

5 күн бұрын

Yea he went for money , not glory

Waiting for that Kendrick Lamar diss track to drop on Tony Khan

You guys AEW has a problem and its ok to say so. The amount of excuses and ignoring reality. They have had dropping ratings for months its nothing new. If this was WWE or NXT a couple years ago you all would be dancing on its grave. The double standard is difficult to watch. Just criticize it fairly instead of bubbling around throwing excuses at the wall.

I know there's nothing I can say to convince people otherwise so all I'll say is well see what people say when the AEW viewership bounces back next week. People really don't get how big that Kendrick concert was and how important Juneteeth is in the black community. I personally spent the day at 2 different cook outs. Then went to a watch party for the Kendrick concert. Which ran from like 6pm till like 11pm. It was that big of an event that people were doing viewing parties. We know there's a lot of cross over between wrestling and hip hop. Is it really had to believe that a significant number of AEW fans chose to watch the Kendrick concert live. And most likely watch AEW later on dvr. I know that's what I did.

Forbidden Door should only be every 3 years. How is it a forbidden door when New Japan and CML and AAA are on AEW every week?

Raw is in Pat’s home base of Indianapolis this week 👀

I gave up on AEW a while ago. But if TNA are still in business, I can't imagine that AEW will be going anywhere anytime soon.

Write better weekly television and you don’t have to worry about the lead in/competition in the same time slot.

That juneteenth concert made me forget about aew tbh

I not one of those a-holes who wants to see aew to fail. I truly want them to succeed. I have tried numerous times to watch and follow the product. It is a chore. Random wrestlers showing up with no build or context is going to eat away at your base.

Pat is going to need the ColeMind.

500k good grief the ship hit an iceberg 😂😂😂

Who knew building your whole company around 90s early and 2000s characters… wouldn’t work. I’m shocked y’all, SHOCKED I TELL YOU

I guarantee more people are streaming AEW than watching on cable , also pretty sure those viewers numbers are only in the US and only specific areas

As a Wrangler owner I appreciate the shirt

I can't wait for Twitter to explode 😂😂😂

@seanhuggan1989

5 күн бұрын

It already has rofl

@CollegeBallYouknow

5 күн бұрын

Twitter is always getting set off or at least on the very brink of it

NXT is doing what WWE were hoping it would do back during the Wednesday Night War, and beating Dynamite in the demos! Let Michaels cook! /s it’s a fascinating drop, but I hope they can bounce back from it; they probably will

Who killed WCW? ESPN aired bowling tournaments that used to crush their Saturday morning show so I blame them

AEW lost all momentum so long ago and with WWE being so good at the moment I don't see how they can come close to competing

Even the savior MJF can't save the slowly but surely sinking ship. F

@EwanCumia

5 күн бұрын

Hogan, Austin, and Rock couldn't save AEW at this point.

@coltonwilkie241

5 күн бұрын

If MJF is their biggest draw and they still struggle to get 700,000 viewers, their biggest draw isn't really big now is he?

For those playing Rocksmith a Guitar Hero game with a real Guitar, the Joe Hendry song is on there for custom downloads.

When someone whose job is to watch wrestling doesn't know who these people are, maybe its a mistake to cross pollinate so much.

Crazy to think that for a while AEW was competing with NXT but now NXT is way ahead.

I'm no TV executive but if your viewership depends on people staying after the previous show, that doesn't seem like a thriving business model