Great vid! It's worth mentioning that the turret on the Harbinger supports weapons one size larger than the other variants, allowing you to mount any two size 3 weapons instead of size 2s. Huge perk in my book.

@nilsgerdes6747

Жыл бұрын

oh really? That IS a + Didn't know that

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Oh I didn't know that either!

@arrclyde4325

Жыл бұрын

Very few people seem to realise that. The Harbinger is the only Vanguard ship with that option. Together with the 3 size 5 torpedos its the Vanguard with the most firepower. And for the sake of a heavy fighter its my favorite of Vaguard.

@Vioblight

8 ай бұрын

Wow plus with the recent boost buffs for the harb. I’m gonna swap from the warden. Might swap back when engineering comes back but let’s see

whenever i think of buying or getting a ship I first stop by your channel to look at them, and get a feeling of the ship and if I even might like it or not. Thank you so much for your many reviews :)

always coming back for your ship reviews cus they are the best ones out there :) keep up the great work and have a nice weekend! greetings from the netherlands :D

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Dank je wel :)

Really digging the hidden box storage compartment under the stairs. The paint is one of the better vanguards ones too 👍

@benx2230

Жыл бұрын

That's not storage. It's for the future radar component. Knowing how to read is a helpful skill.

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

As mentioned, may in future be for components!

@johnb6699

Жыл бұрын

@@benx2230 comment about reading was unnecessary.

@griffinmckenzie7203

Жыл бұрын

@@benx2230 You know what else is a helpful skill, bud? Not being an absolute dickhead.

The Harbinger is my favorite Vanguard ship (and favorite PvE combat ship). This video was a pleasant surprise. Thank you for the time and effort you put into your work, Farrister!

I love my Harbinger, i have tried many different weapon combos, best one i feel (best TTK) is: Galdereen Repeater & 4x MVSA (Laser Cannons) in Alternative fire mode in patch 3.17.4 For the turret guns i use x2 Quarrelers as they are awesome laser cannons. Such a fun ship to fly

I really like your choice of music for these videos

Thanks for another great informative video

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

I have a soft spot in me for the Vanguards in general - they're what I would look for in a personal vehicle I plan on using for combat, because while they're clearly combat FOCUSED, they're not quite combat DEDICATED. My point of view of the Vanguards is an interesting one, though, because I see them more like heavily-armed recon craft than I do fighters. This is a ship that is cable of doing search-and-destroy missions all day and night long, with firepower to handle lots of different target types on its own, and enough resilience to get out and report bigger threats.

@nilsgerdes6747

Жыл бұрын

That would seem like the speciality of it.Hopefully a gameloop in the future?

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

I also wonder about that tiny little server rack in the back...

@coracusa2771

Жыл бұрын

@@FarristerData transport?

watching your vids chilled with a J..gd times.great vid mate

@Farrister

10 ай бұрын

Thank you :)

I like the Harbinger and the Sentinel. Both great for a PVE bounty hunting career.

@oldman1111

Жыл бұрын

If you've got a buddy and swap out the rockets for S3 repeaters on top, it can be a solid dogfighter in PvP too

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Totally!

@biotechisgodzilla

Жыл бұрын

I wonder how you guys rate the lesser agility of the harbinger.. did you notice it? Does it change much for your handling the ship in pvp/pve? I am not an experienced pilot so i'd love your thoughts on that.

@whiteknight6470

Жыл бұрын

@@biotechisgodzilla If you have a size 5 ballistic gatling on the chin you can still deal with dogfights easily.

This was my favorite ship and daily driver. I had to give it up though because bed-logging in it is broken for me and it glitches me into the ship too often. Something else to note is you can get a wing shot off and still have weapons and stay in the fight.

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Ah good point!

It has a very good toilet/shower with a non-transparent door, which is the most important thing in a ship.

Still love this ship review format!

Great vid, cheers :)

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

Harbi is my goto ship for everything, so it was worth pledging for because of wipes. I put vanguard distortion repeaters and distortion cannons on the Nose. Its Amazing.

The Harbinger is one of my two regular mission boats. Those torpedoes are very good for VHRT target softening and there's just enough to take on a group bounty. Unfortunately the missile restock bug has kept the usage low this patch and I've been running more with the Andromeda because of it.

@shawnc5188

Жыл бұрын

I reckon the Harbinger’s biggest flaw is that CIG locked their torpedos to stock torpedoes, whereas in patch 3.16 you could change them for Scimitar 5, which have really short minimum lock range - turned the Harbinger into a deadly PvP ship as nobody expects a heavy torpedo to lock on under 1km.

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

Back when ballistics didn’t run out so quickly I always used the Harby. Then I switched to the Sen. I’m currently back to the Harbinger for ERT’s

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Both are fun!

Man, Using the Deadbolt 5 and the GVSR Laser repeters is a deadly combo

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

I can imagine!

@aclock2

Жыл бұрын

I like to use the Deadbolt with MSVA cannon, even a HammerHead doesnt stand much of a chance.

@Spyyda

Жыл бұрын

@@aclock2 i tired the cannons but i like faster dps

When Armor systems come on line this ship will get a boost to it's survivability as it's heavier armored than the other Vanguards. This comes at a slight cost to maneuverability. Other than this slight oversight a very sound review!

"This is where the Habitation sort of area of the Vanguard is, there's a st...storagebox?? 🤨🤔" 1:39

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

There's a st st st st st st st storage box

The S5 torps and the cheaper in game price compared to the other Vanguard variants is what convinced me to give it a try. The firepower is impressive, but the torps, however strong, are in a bit of an awkward spot. They're too big for medium ships and too small for large ships. All 3 hitting a Connie for example won't take it down, for its brand as a "bomber" I found it a bit lackluster since you won't be bombing most of the time. I'd save another mil (which I did eventually) and get an Eclipse for the ultimate hit & run one shot bomber.

the harbinger is a great ship for vhrts and slapping some attrition-3s on the turret just makes it soo much better if you have a gunner. Even without the gunner the pilot weapons are some of the strongest in the game for a ship in its size category. The harbinger is basically the redeemers little brother in terms of fire power.

Great video mate. Hope you make a Corsair one soon.

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Just need to get some more time behind the wheel first!

I realy love the video's that you make for us, thank you so much, i have one question for you, what is your daily driver?

A big tweak that makes this ship a lot more engaging in combat is to swap out the shields for FR-76s (goes for the whole vanguard series really). The higher regeneration speed and higher HP pool is way worth it in my opinion.

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough!

I tend to buy the Vanguards as my first in game cash ships. When a reset happens, I always forget that I didn't purchase them with cash and have to re-earn them. Takes a couple days. Worth the aUEC.

It's worth noting that the proprietary size 2 nose weapons (only for this ship hull) do damage equal to size 3 weapons for other ships. So in terms of damage output you got the nose S5 and 4x S3, which is gigantic for a ship of it's size. On another note; I originally got the Sentinel instead, while it has the same firepower (besides the turret and torps) it has 33% less hull hp, but 33% more agile, so for people who would like the amount of gunpower (specifically the pilot guns) but in a faster ship, the sentinel is there for you. For real money I'd probably steer people more towards the andromeda, MUCH more cargo, almost 8x the shield, 5x the hull hp, same missile payload (in terms of damage), almost 2,5x the pilot gun firepower, 2 gunners (although with only 2x s2), yes it's a low more sluggish, but what you get in return is a ship that can do much more of everything and it's 50 bucks cheaper, this perspective is mostly based on the what you get for your money value. (It's funny, cause the andromeda if the 2 front weapons are switched to S5, has 90% of the pilot firepower of a 600i, half the shields, but double the hull hp and literally costs half the price at 240 vs 475, realizing this made me regret getting the 600i lol, at least the 600i explorer can carry a nova tank after the rework).

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Oh I hadn't considered that in terms of damage output, good to know!

Cooking a hungarian beef goulah in my brand new instant pot while watching this (highly recommend the pot + app). I really like the Vanguards and you've hit the nail on the head: great solo and option for another player. I bought the warden and while gimbal is great, it bugs the hell out of me, that the 4s2 aren't gimballed: can't stand the idea of to crosshairs. So I stuck a ad5b on its nose. looks ridiculous. Still waiting on using the buttons for doors/ramp/stuff instead of awkwardly hovering on the right position to use it. Great ship, love it and use it quite frequently.

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Nils - always sounds like you are doing such fancy cooking!

@nilsgerdes6747

Жыл бұрын

@@Farrister yes, I love cooking. Not strictly following recipes but see what I fancy and then make it the easiest way. Also I try to buy less processed foods: I make my own bacon, ham, Mayo, Spiceblends, anything smoked (even cheese), Beef Jerky and I grow my own herbs and salads. Also I made MSG :D

@nilsgerdes6747

Жыл бұрын

@@Farrister My instant Pot looks like R2D2: m.media-amazon.com/images/I/814sVi0-4eS._AC_SL1500_.jpg 😂

You can buy Stalker size 5 torpedoes at Grim Hex, if you have a hard time restocking.

I cannot get over how silly those tiny folding wings are.

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

It's a bit gimmicky - in a folded state it only saves a tiny amount of space. Plus I think for most landings you would want the wings extended for extra lift

I actually bought one of these the other day. Took her out for the first Bounty Hunter mission (kind of a tutorial, you probably know the one). Took me several minutes to go from Arc to Microtech where the target was. Of course, he was in a dense asteroid field. My luck, it was on the dark side of the planet, so everything was completely invisible. Finally got a ping on the target and his one wingman. The fired missiles, so I evaded. As I did this, the wingman flew over and rammed me, instantly destroying us both. So, I respawned back at Arc, waited 20 minutes for the claim to finish, another several minutes to fly back to the target. He fired missiles, but I evaded. As I did so he tried to ram me, but I managed to avoid it. As I tried to turn around, he turned faster (being in a light ship), and he rammed me. Kind of an underwhelming outcome all around. This was the EASIEST combat mission I could have? Is this normal tactics for AI enemies... just ram the player as soon as possible? I mean... I never had a chance to fire a shot before they rammed me. And... it's not the first time. I rented an Arrow one time, and an enemy rammed me... not the ship, he rammed ME in the cockpit, leaving the ship undamaged. Not impressed with the combat so far.

@Farrister

8 ай бұрын

That sounds rough :(

great vid as always! what edit software do u use :D

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Premiere Pro! For a couple of years now

1:45 YES! The storage box has been fixed!

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Woohoo!

Love my Harbinger. It will be the first ship I purchase in game after the wipe

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

For me, Prospector I think!

@afradwright

Жыл бұрын

@@Farrister i bought one of those for cash 😄

Using a S5 ballistic worked really well for me in 3.17

When i eventually get my gaming computer, i really want a Vanguard as my daily driver. 😅i don't know that I'll really even enjoy combat all that much, but better to have the option and not need it. I'd probably get the Warden variant since it seems a bit more comfortable. Space camper with pewpew ability.

I have a Warden but have thought about upgrading to a Harbinger. Those torpedos sound like they might come in handy when my bounty is a little tougher than I initially thought

@Pizza_is_old

Жыл бұрын

I would keep the warden tbh, the harbinger doesn't manoeuver well. Yes the S5 torps are nice but they're not insane like the S9 torps on the tali or the eclipse.

@sebastiancoar1991

Жыл бұрын

After flying all three vanguard variants, I prefer the Warden to the other two. The Sentinel's emp felt lack luster and not worth the slight decrease in armour; and the Harbinger's torpedoes were only useful against Constellations, which are unusual bounties. The Harbinger is also the least maneuverable variant of them all. Atleast the Warden came with those awesome MSVR laser cannons by default.

@shawnc5188

Жыл бұрын

Torpedos are locked to stock CS. In previous patches you could load Scimitars, which have a 50m lock range. Stick to a Warden, which is slightly more nimble

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

I don't know that you would notice a big difference

@sebastiancoar1991

Жыл бұрын

@@Farrister I noticed it; then again, I fly with a HOSAS/Buttonbox (BazBox) setup.

Lucky for me, as an original Concept backer for the Vanguard, i own the vanguard warden with its original LTI and will never have to worry about it being blown up. ^_^

@spike178

Жыл бұрын

Can get LTI anytime on most ships have just CCU to the Warden only cost $135 total price a massive saving on the concept $250 price. Done this with all my LTI ships saving atleast 50% on concept ship prices.

@honnorgaurd

Жыл бұрын

@@spike178 nice! still, i do feel proud to be one of the original backers for it. love this ship greatly and it performs exactly like i hoped it would. dont regret putting a single dollar to it as saving money was never the original goal as i wanted to support its development.

When will we be able to swap out the S5 torps? Anyone know?

“FIRE EVERYTHING!!!” 😅 4:42

More and more people have moved to the Vanguards as daily drivers. They’re much tougher than Drake Corsairs (which are ludicrously easy to destroy), have a ramp that allows it for basic mission running (and sub-SCU boxes), a bed for logging and plenty of firepower from the pilot seat.

@hellgeist_

8 ай бұрын

"Engineering gameplay" could make them more aggravating than they're worth - same with the Freelancer ships, which are also scheduled for getting those accursed terminals, if they don't have them already. I appreciate multiplayer options, but CIG seems to be at war with the solo player.

That's not storage under the steps. That's the housing for the radar component. It's even marked that way.

@Kitten-Master

Жыл бұрын

Maybe so. But it's storage

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Maybe! At the moment it's a space for things xD

It took me like 25 hours of in game grinding to get the Harbinger, so buying it highly unadvisable unless you have a lot of money and little time.

I Would love if some reviewer would actually also tell us what works and what not. Kitchen, this one has a fridge that refills, or coffee maker, doesnt work, storage bin, doestn work

Do you plan to redo ship reviews when the new flight model comes out

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I already find that some of my old ones are out of date!

i have had all the ships over and over , and i am very torn between the freelancer MIS and any of the vanguard , however the Harbinger annoyed me because last time i had one ... maybe 3.16 ish i could not change out the size 5 torpedo for an EM torpedo .

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Honestly I did not expect to read that you're making a decision between the FL MIS and the Vanguard - they still seem like such very different ships to me!

@redactedredacted3721

Жыл бұрын

@@Farrister i use a vanguard mostly solo for the QT fule tank size , just something to bumble around in and knock out my bounty rep with the start of that rep grind has you go to a few places . but i think the Misc is the clear winner in price . and then its a good ship to bounce between VHRT, and bunkers . thats mostly what i do .

While I do enjoy the Harb, and like it's tankyness, I still only rank it like number 5 on my list of Star Citizen ships (that's still high in a game with over 200 ships!) But it just doesn't replace the much cheaper, more fun to fly, better visibility, can still bring a friend along, Reliant Tana. But the Harb is my go-to for Xenothreat events. Hauls boxes good, good speed, can bring a friend or two, can take a few hits while you're loading, and it's not worthless against the Idris at the end. Number one ship in my book for that event.

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Now need to know the full top 5 lol

@Bubble_0f_d00m

Жыл бұрын

lol, ok. #1, Reliant. #2 for being the best low flying ship in the game, the Mustang Gamma. No joke, cockpit visibility and atmospheric flight characteristics on that make it hands down the best at just having fun flying low. Try it out! (Yeah, I bought the ship) #3 Probably the cutlass, just for it's Jack-of-all-trades/master-of-none usefulness, and it has the best paint job in the game with that Ghoulish Green. (I paid for the paint, but not the ship) #4 I'm a fan of the Pisces, it looks like a shuttle from Star Trek Enterprise. Plus you can summon it from a small pad, and as a Reliant owner who kept bed logging, I'm often stranded and needed a ship that can be summoned from those tiny ground vehicle pads. (I'm a slow learner). And the medical variant makes it more useful. That marks the only other ship purchase I made. #5 Probably the harbinger. I like the Sentinel as more maneuverable, but I could never figure out how to use it's EMP well, so it just frustrated me. The Harb is like a Russian Mil Mi-24, a flying tank. You just feel safe in it. But like your video says, it's way too expensive to drop real money on. Also competing for that number five spot is the Glaive, but that thing is both crazy expensive and near impossible to buy. You do a lot of reviews, but what are your top five?

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

@@Bubble_0f_d00m I would have to give it some thought. Very surprised by the Mustang Gamma, but like your rationale!

@Cain3697

Жыл бұрын

@@Bubble_0f_d00m oh! A reliant pilot. I'm curious, does bed logging in the reliant work if the ship is landed?

@Bubble_0f_d00m

Жыл бұрын

@@Cain3697 Sometimes it doesn't kill you, and only leaves you stranded! It still puts the ship in wing-up position and traps you out of the cockpit, so you're stranded at best. At worst the wing is clipped into the ground and the ship blows up before you can get out. But I hear from quite a few people that the patch currently in testing has actually fixed the Reliant bed logging issues.

Love the harbinger and it would be a perfect ship if it weren't for the fact that it flies like ass, lol. Whenever I fly it, it feels like I'm flying a connie rather than this much smaller gunship. Hope its aerodynamic design will improve atmospheric flight a bit once the flight model rework arrives.

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Haha it's a bit sluggish :p

every time i play i try to find better ship for me than HB... but i cant find any... :( its super small to hide behind hills for bunkers... can do many BH and Beacon missions without problem... it has beds, basic kitchen, shower, toilet for future use... i play mostly solo... so i rly dont know better ship for solo atm...

Given the recent weight reduction of the Harbinger, it's agility should be very much on par with the other variants, so one of the old major cons should be obsolete by now, right? I am stronlgy considering upgrading my Warden to a Harbinger because of this, but some comfirmation from a Vanguard expert like you would be great. Also, since I never played around with the loadout, will I be able to mount the Warden's nose including the amazing MVSAs on a Harbinger? Your help & recommendation would be very much appreciated.

@Farrister

8 ай бұрын

You know, I probably need to revisit to make that comparison :(

@blitz_berlin7230

8 ай бұрын

Its a tough life as a content creator. 🙂@@Farrister I don't have enough experience with Vanguards so I probably can't tell the difference. In addition to this, this is a prime example of balancing being a game of numbers. They only need to change a few of them and the ship seems to handle quite differently.

I Love the vanguard but it really really needs some love from CIG

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

As with so many others

hmm. I got my hands on Sentinel in 3.17.5 and I really loved it but those torps are tempting. :D I cant really decide if i´ll grind UEC for Sentinel or Harbinger. :D

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

If it's for torps, have you considered the Eclipse?

@hanz5555

Жыл бұрын

@@Farrister Yes. I have the Eclipse on my list right after Vanguards :D

I am torn between the Harbinger or Scorpius as the next pledge.

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Harbinger internal space could be the deciding factor?

I rather strap a fixed S5 laser canon on there for the MASSIVE DPM increase , as it suits me better, also the S2,s are fixed too, so they complement better at close range

@JoshSweetvale

Жыл бұрын

Size 5 ballistic guns have a big enough ammo pool that you might want them.

What I find really annoying with the ship is that the self status and target status MFDs are placed at the bottom 2 screens, out of sight by default, yes you can swap them, but it doesn't remember your setting so you gotta do this every single time your store / retrieve it, annoying to me.

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I feel you there. And same for the different gimbal mode and weapons groups, which are quickly forgotten it seems

@Xeonzs

Жыл бұрын

@@Farrister Yeap, probably gotta replace the CMOS battery on or ships motherboard so it remembers the settings lol. What's even more frustrating is ships DO remember the power settings, so the feature to remember settings/configuration per ship is in the game.

This is and has been my main fighter for quite some time. I have it with LTI, so I can always claim it if it gets destroyed.

Warden for me.

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough!

The 4k looks great on my 65 inch TV and on my Pixel 7 Pro in 1440p looks stunning as well, definitely keep this going!

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm jealous on both counts - seriously considered the new Pixel, but just couldn't justify the spend!!

Who's there because it's the Polaris Loaner ? 🤣

can it bomb though! if not its not a fighter bomber

@Farrister

7 ай бұрын

I suppose that may be true! It has a lot of missiles though...

this game is a joke

@Farrister

Жыл бұрын

It is?