The dice has no memory. If you roll an 8, it doesnt change the odds that it will be 8 again.

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

That is correct

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Odds reset after every roll so the 8, has a 5/36 or 1/7 chance to roll, but for an 8 to roll twice in a row the odds are 1/52 chance

@MyopiaMovie

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp the problem is soooooooo many people who watch KZread videos about craps interpret this as “I’m only losing my lay 8 1/52 of the time”. No matter how much we explain it that’s what they believe :)

@brianbarnett1004

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp since 8 is already the number, you arent betting 8 will hit in both of the next 2 rolls. Just the next roll.

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, of course that’s the case, but you go into the bet before anything is rolled. In that case if using 8 as example, before comeout roll, it’s a 1/52 chance to roll 8 twice and ricochet, which is the Achilles heel to strategy. Of course once point is 8, and you lay behind it and make DC bet, the 8 has a 1/7 chance to ricochet

Great video as always! Think I’d do this on a bubble craps machine

The complete ricochet system is explained in John-Patrick's Advance craps book. As an additional hedge if you're laying your eight ( or any number) you "may" hop the number for $2.00/ $3.00. This was not available when John was writing his book and at will cut down your loss if the number is rolled. If your second bet is a 4,6,8 or 10 take a "hard way" bet. Now the odds are 7 to 2 or 7 to 4 in your favor. Those are some of the best odds you can get at the table. Good Luck at the tables, Garrison & John Patrick. 🎲🎲 P.S. That hop bet have saved us a lot in some games.

Interesting system, but you really expose the strategy flaw, which all, system have!

I remember the Riccochet from one of my 1st Caps books purchased in about 2003. One of John Patrick’s "advanced craps” books. Really helps to stand in corner next to the Don’t Come box! That was a VERY hot shooter and you only lost ~$30 … a pretty good grind-y dark side strat. Works great on a table that hits 1 number then 7-out. If you find yourself not getting the “2 hits” required for one of tour regression strategies (like Skill 66, Double Tap, Shaggy Bevo 2-hitter), this may be a great one to switch to! Would like to see you roll this one out again next week! I got $10 bucks says you come out a winner😎

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, I was skimming thru JP book, and decided to do the video. Its a good little strategy for sure

@flyerjack1548

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp do you remember which one you saw it in?

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

@@flyerjack1548 advanced craps - advantage players guide to winning

@garrison7888

Жыл бұрын

The complete ricochet system is explained in John-Patrick's Advance craps book. As an additional hedge if you're laying your eight ( or any number) you "may" hop the number for $2.00/ $3.00. This was not available when John was writing his book and at will cut down your loss if the number is rolled. If your second bet is a 4,6,8 or 10 take a "hard way" bet. Now the odds are 7 to 2 or 7 to 4 in your favor. Those are some of the best odds you can get at the table. Good Luck at the tables, Garrison & John Patrick. 🎲🎲 P.S. That hop bet has saved us a lot in some games.

I wait for a point to be established, lay the 4 or 10 for $41 and make a DC bet of $15 and $1 yo. If the DC establishes, I’ll take the lay down and make an additional $15 DC. Then try to get a 3rd DC established and play out the hand. Replace a lost DC only once. It’s a John Patrick don’t strategy that has worked well for me at times.

What would this strategy look like on the 4 or 10 ?

since craps is such a social game playing the dark side can be weird at a table.

@ColorUp

9 ай бұрын

Sometimes

The ricochet is one of my favorites. I’m working a rolling version of this as well. Thanks, Jeremy

@garrison7888

Жыл бұрын

The complete ricochet system is explained in John-Patrick's Advance craps book. As an additional hedge if you're laying your eight ( or any number) you"may" hop the number for $2.00/ $3.00. This was not available when John was writing his book and at will cut down your loss if the number is rolled. If your second bet is a 4,6,8 or 10 take a "hard way" bet. Now the odds are 7 to 2 or 7 to 4 in your favor. Those are some of the best odds you can get at the table. Good Luck at the tables, Garrison & John Patrick. 🎲🎲 P.S. That hop bet has saved us a lot on some rolls.

Since we are betting against repeaters, if we want to play a 2nd number why not lay odds on our DC point? It avoids the vig and stays with the spirit of the system.

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, I like that

@benedman7239

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking

how about doing a doey-don't on the comeout and if 5689 comes, keep doing a come/don't come bet until you get a 4 or 10 and now you can stop and just lay full odds and wait for the 7 to come..

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve done that strategy years ago, might have to revisit

I still don't like this hedge on the DC. But of course I'm not a DP player.

A question, when buying in tonight the box man asked if I wanted “action “ not sure what he meant. Please explain

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Was asking if you wanted him to set up any bets for you with your buyin. So if you buy in for $200, and told him I’ll take 6 and 8 $30 each. He would just had you back $140 and set you up for the $60 in bets. Otherwise, you get all your buy in, and then hand him back $60

@stewea57

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp thanks for answering I didn’t want to sound ignorant , I just said no when he asked lol. I enjoy your channel, keep up the good work 👍

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

It’s no biggie, dealer was just trying to save a step.

Place the lay bet on the DP line when the point is established that is the correct way To improve this strategy move to the 10/4 for the lay bet and place 3 box bets ie 689 for 1 roll this way you collect most times on the travel from the DC ie The point is 8 lay 82 on the 10 and place 569 for 10/12 and a 10 DC after the travel remove lay and place bets 3 ways to lose for 1 roll with 10 and 1 way with 11 vs 17 ways to win 23689= 17 collecting on the travel is huge help to your win goal

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

lay bet on DP is closer to the Patrick strategy than the ricochet, both very similar.

@jamesnewberry2945

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp I was referring to where you placed the lay bet chips when showing the moves of the strategy in the start of the video They were placed by the puck they should be put on the DP line I wanted to point that out to you for future videos just trying to be helpful nothing personal you are still the KING OF CRAP VIDOES love you brother!

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesnewberry2945 do you have a time stamp for that? I remember lay betting a point which would go in lay box area, but don’t remember laying odds on don’t pass, which you correctly stated would go on don’t pass line along side dont pass bet.

I love John Patrick's teachings. Most of his creations like the Ricochet are logical and genius. Michael Shackleford can't stand John Patrick for his protection plays because Michael only looks at house vig etc..... Michael doesn't look at the logic behind it. John Patrick, at 91yrs old now, was gambling and crafting his skills when The Wizard of Odds was still a wizard at crapping his diaper.

This seems like a good one to transition too. You try to play point but it keeps going one and put? Transition into this

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe, my luck is when I transition I always end up chasing the dice

@blackmagick77

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp Thats very true. At that point it may be time to go home or switch to blackjack for a bit lol

Hey Jeremy, it did the reverse superstition on you ,instead of seven it came six .lol

Why waste a perfectly good come out 7 (as we all know, they happen plenty of times)? I've said this before, break apart getting the point established from whatever strategy you want to use (especially if you are playing a Don't Pass). You can play with whatever adjusted amounts you want to use but I love laying the 5 (unlike the 7 which has 6/36 of rolling, the 5 only has 4/36 possibilities). You can push this one step further and at the same time, you place the 6 & 8 (which both have 5/36 possibilities) and they are working on the come out roll. That stacks you to a 16 to 4 possibility (the 6,7,8 before a 5) Once the hits on the 6/8 amount to more than whatever you are laying you can remove the lay on the 5. If the 7 rolls before the place bets are covered the lay is covering you. Obviously you can use the 9 instead of the 5 for the same results. As you stated there is always a bane for every strategy ... this one is that the lay (5 or 9) gets thrown before a 7.

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Why not lay 4 or 10 for even less combo

@robo52

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp Just me I guess, I don't like the 2 to 1 vs. the 3 to 2 when looking to cover bigger amounts. I usually use this as an opening start to an iron cross style strategy ($225 lay, $60 6 & 8 place bet and a $20 field). Lately I've been working on a grinder version of this (really good on cold tables) ... I only play the first 2 rolls for every shooter. If a 7 is thrown (first and/or second roll), or any field roll is made press the lay up $15. If the 6 or 8 hits just rack the $50 ... If you survive not throwing the lay number for those first two rolls, you turn everything off and wait for the next shooter. This can build up the lay amount quickly and a come out 7 can turn into a nice win. If the lay amount builds up to $500, I usually rack $200 of it and start the cycle again with a $300 lay.

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Gotcha

@virgilio1956

7 ай бұрын

you have 10 / 36 of hitting a 8 or 6 if you place them at same time

don't understand why you are laying the 8 for $24, it seems much more logical to lay the 4 or 10 for $30 because the 8 is so easy to roll. there are 5 ways to make an 8 but only 3 ways to make a 4 or 10.

@ColorUp

Жыл бұрын

True, but lay bets get paid true odds for risk taken. 4 harder to roll but you only get paid 1:2, 8 easier to roll but you get paid 5:6. So 🤷‍♂️

Point laid point made point paid! Me a dark side player 😂😅😢😭

I think 15 is to low. The minimum should be $25.

If you are featuring a strategy that caters to a superstitious player regarding back-to-back numbers, you should probably choose to lay whatever was last rolled to not annoy them.

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

fair point

@barkman1739

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp I forgot to say, thanks for the video!

Why not just hop the 7s and yo? Because you lose $4

@pwade4061

2 жыл бұрын

you could but constantly hopping numbers is going to cause you to lose more money in the long term because those bets have a high house edge. the don't pass/don't come have a far lower house edge

Lmao, guy go's over this great strat.. first live roll strats smashed to pieces he loses everything haha, after all those rolls he still loses.. could've just plyed the pass lane and odds, youd be ahead.. 😂

@ColorUp

4 ай бұрын

I love to show as great as ideas might be, the dice decide if it works out or not on any particular roll.

@RockPileTanks

3 ай бұрын

@@ColorUp it is nice to know how to play with and against the shooter, however craps is designed to be a losing game

@ColorUp

3 ай бұрын

@@RockPileTanks Yes, it's a gambling game at casino that will lose player money over time and win casino over time. Its a game for entertainment, and any given short term period you can win with a little luck and have a profit...its up to you if you decided to play more and eventually give the money back to casino ha

Pure BS !!

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Which part? It’s a strategy. If you don’t like that’s understandable but not sure makes it BS

@brizzlex1919

Жыл бұрын

Lol thanks for the input hoss. 🤡

Bro, If possible set your table up and throw the dice like a normal table. Your good and invested in this channel but you flick your dice like a 3 year old That’s not craps even with a color up you tube channel

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Random roll is the best way to demonstrate anything involved with the game. Setting dice would be useless and just slow videos down.

@aebalc

2 жыл бұрын

He did not say to set the dice, just to give them the table length roll.. My logic tells me that as long as you don't set the dice and you hit the back wall we are getting a true random roll BUT, the two feet your dice travel just doesn't feel like a true craps roll. Maybe it is the extra half second of anticipation about what number will hit, that moment between throwing the dice and winning or losing.

@yacrocks

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen the biggest losses playing the don’t side. Your short tables fine in demonstrating strategies. Setting dice and length is a non issue

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

The length doesn’t matter if hitting the pyramid wall. That’s why they have craps “tubs” in several places that are total 5-6ft long.

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Well with don’t play, you only get knocked off one number at a time, so you could pull your bets and walk anytime. I see bigger loses on light side as people build up bets and lose all at once with 7

Ya say make a Come bet. Ya made a Don’t come. They are different. Not being a d**k but Boomerang is what this name should be called Not fricken ricochet as ricochet is defined as an object deflecting away…boomerang is something that returns and comes back. Maybe you should do your homework on your topics. Cashing all that you tube checks is causing you to be soft in your prep. Hop up On my shine box as you have no skin in da game. Not a hater as ya all may think. But just keeping it real.

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t name it. I did my homework and it’s been called ricochet for decades. I said come bet, and pretty sure added note on screen with correction. Sorry can’t do it perfect. thanks for watching and your feedback

@brizzlex1919

Жыл бұрын

So because the name of the strategy isn't to your liking it means he didn't do his homework? That's how your brain really works dude? That's scary. Have a seat and shut the f up for all of us. Thanks

@brizzlex1919

Жыл бұрын

Also you have no clue how you tube works or how payments happen because it's hard to actually make money from this. It's probably more of a hobby for him. The fact that you think someone with sub 100k subs is "cashing all thise checks" is baffling. Get your head out of your ass and start using your brain like a big boy.