If paying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing.

@drinmer1

27 күн бұрын

So if I pay for a service, I own that service?

@texanplayer7651

27 күн бұрын

​@@drinmer1you should if the company advertises their service as a product

@toiletfx5679

27 күн бұрын

@@drinmer1 Go get scammed by Adobe if you like them that much

@Wp-jv5ed

27 күн бұрын

​@@toiletfx5679bro same here

@bababonzio

27 күн бұрын

​@@drinmer1 if someone sells me a pencil and I make a drawing with that pencil, should the seller own the drawing?

If it's OK for them to steal my data then it's ok for me to pirate their software. EDIT: Watching you all get sand in your manpons over a piece of software i don't use is comedy gold. I have Photoshop Elements 2018. I have never used any Adobe software other than that (except that awful PDF reader). But, thanks for the boost to my channel!!! Cats say thanks as well...

@rdbskr

Ай бұрын

No quarter!

@tulletullebukk9705

Ай бұрын

100%

@kron7536

Ай бұрын

You know where i can get a safe pirated version?, i'm new to the piracy scene and i'm not good at finding stuff without malware

@leonfrancis3418

Ай бұрын

Arr, matey.

@pokiblue5870

Ай бұрын

I never spent 1$ for their product. I always went to piratebay

I cancelled Adobe 2 days ago after being their customer for 13 years.

@code.design

21 күн бұрын

So what will be your alternatives?

@FFNUser

18 күн бұрын

@@code.designAffinity

@anshuljoshi6149

17 күн бұрын

I'm going to cancel too. They're charging me an insane cancellation fee though.

@eddysgaming9868

17 күн бұрын

Cancelled just a few days ago, myself. I'd only just began training not too long ago. I can get along with alternatives. I'm looking at Affinity, which may not be suitable for everyone.

@mrl2126

16 күн бұрын

@@code.design ill be looking for affinity in the future

The bigger a company gets, the more dictatorial, cunning and greedy it gets.

@halominder

23 күн бұрын

that's what happens when you feel like you can't be touched - you say and do too much and get a putdown.

@OnimeDoobs

20 күн бұрын

Why does it seem like it's always an American company

I'm glad I've always pirated Adobe's software.

@k.chriscaldwell4141

Ай бұрын

👍

@Canleaf08

Ай бұрын

They will go after these as well with the adobe genuine software checker.

@iberryboi

Ай бұрын

​@@Canleaf08yea I got hit by the license checker with the most recent version, I'm going to try an older version

@sunla

Ай бұрын

​@Canleaf08 that's just a series of background services you can scrub from your computer.

@Canleaf08

Ай бұрын

​@@sunla I went a step further and removed Windows and Adobe software from my computers. It's Linux time.

Suddenly the advantages of using a 20 year old version of Photoshop come to light.

@dylanpunke9523

Ай бұрын

I switched to Affinity when Adobe announced their subscription basis years ago, but I still use CS3 (and Lightroom V1) on an older computer and with an older epson printer that I can still get ink for. It doesn't have all of the bells and whistles of the newer software but it's still a very capable dinosaur that doesn't require continued payments.

@lucluco3274

Ай бұрын

Take care of that computer and OS installation! I recently upgraded my 8 yo PC, and could not activate in the new one. I even tried emailing them, but they consider it a discontinued/obsolete product. Had zero issues with other developers (eg Ableton...)

@VictorDelPrete

Ай бұрын

Still using CS5…

@smarmar400

Ай бұрын

@@VictorDelPrete Same. The CC versions are bloated wrecks.

@c.augustin

Ай бұрын

@@lucluco3274 Interesting. Same for me, but I might be a bit more resistive - here in Germany we have a different legal system. I'll see what comes out of it (and this "discontinued/obsolete product" does not exempt them here in Germany - a perpetual license is a perpetual license, so they have to activate my product or give me an alternative way of making it run). Maybe Adobe needs to be actually sued for this practice …

This might be commented already but heres how you effectively cancel your "annual" subscription without paying hundreds of dollars of early cancellation fees: Switch your plan to the cheapest plan (doesnt matter which technically because this will be reimbursed anyway) then immediately cancel. Youll get a prorated amount returned from your previous plan, and also get your new plan amount reimbursed within a week. The reason why this works is because with every new plan you sign up for, you get 30 days to cancel for free. Since you switched plans and they dont charge a fee for this, you can just cancel the new plan rght away. I tried this last week and it worked perfectly.

@harjotbal3187

23 күн бұрын

👍

@AlutaDaGreat

23 күн бұрын

@@harjotbal3187 let's hope Adobe does not see your comment. lol

@f8keuser

22 күн бұрын

Or just cancel your card xD

@BenFrankarts

21 күн бұрын

That is so Adobe. A glitch they overlook finally works in our favor.

@iloveToonLink101

19 күн бұрын

I spent months trying to cancel my plan, I wish I saw your comment sooner. They’d lie to me saying they cancelled it, and I’d end up getting charged again! Call back, explain what happened, and they’d tell me they can’t even refund what they charged. Went back and forth with this for a very long time. Eventually decided the next step would be to contact my bank

I dropped Adobe the moment subscriptions where mandatory. As a product manager, I know how companies like Adobe think. No, thank you.

@jxmai7687

20 күн бұрын

We all know once they start they could change their teams and conditions any moment, never trust any subscriptions product for long term use. Same to me, just stay away from their product with even need to read the teams and conditons, also one of product license I owned was rejected when i need to restall.

@OTCRock4one

6 күн бұрын

I purchased affinity photo and affinity, designer, and all that you own the product you look at updates for free. It’s nice.

Imagine a paint and brush store telling you "I'm a partial owner of everything you make with this paint and brush" lol

@Loggus66

27 күн бұрын

Wdym "lol"? It's a reasonable claim. You don't want lil' brushes to starve, do you.

@Evolution_NL

27 күн бұрын

@@Loggus66 it's not an reasonable claim. once you buy an item, you own it and it's former owner( the store ) doesn't own it anymore. But now you may only buy it if they still keep ownership while not longer owning it anymore. ain't that weird and unfair ?

@user-kp8tc5xy1x

27 күн бұрын

Okay, Logus. You went to the store, bought hammer and built house using it. Then, company which produces hammers declares something like “everything you’ve built using our hammer belongs to us”. Is it fair?

@CrniWuk

26 күн бұрын

@@Loggus66 Dude. Even if you go out there and actually RENT(!) something, like a Truck, tools or what ever the company that gave it to you is not "entitled" to any of the profits that you're making with that Truck or the goods that you're hauling and creating with it. This kind of practise has been actually common at some point like hundreds of years ago but it was seen as extremely unjust. Because that is what was done with peasants ... are we the peasants of Adobe now?

@modtyrant1784

26 күн бұрын

Guys i'm pretty sure Loggus66 is being sarcastic because he said "You don't want lil' brushes to starve, do you." after the potentially inflammatory first part.

Cancelled after being a non-stop customer for 29 years. Yes, 1/3 of a human life. Shame on you Adobe.

@user-oe6iu5wx9s

29 күн бұрын

Very few people live to 87 years, you basically spent half of your life supporting the scum known as Adobe. I've pirated their software for 90% of the time that I've used it... So maybe it balances out in the end.

@Alfred-Neuman

29 күн бұрын

Personally, I don't think I will cancel my subscription to Adobe because of a very simple reason, I never had a subscription to any Adobe products... 🙂👍

@PjotrII

29 күн бұрын

I stopped over 10 years ago when they started to demand a monthly pay.

@MaxLindorfer

28 күн бұрын

The first version of Photoshop I used was 2.5, released in 1993. This was before it had the concept of layers! Canceling my subscription felt like giving up a little piece of myself. Of course, Adobe is just another company out to make a buck. It's hasn't been about the art for a long time (if it ever was). There are plenty of other great tools today, and the only real burden in giving it up is that now I'll have to carry around a somewhat heavier wallet.

@GenericInternetter

28 күн бұрын

You're 87 years old? I'm impressed, most people your age don't have much of a grasp of software tools.

What's also pretty vile is that in the EU they make it much clearer that you're signing up for a year, and what that will cost, and also much easier to cancel, because the EU has consumer protection laws that force them to. They are actively choosing not to do that in the US, even though they can, and are already doing it in other markets. Clear evidence of an intentional policy to screw and manipulate their customers.

@Turbo_TechnoLogic

21 күн бұрын

Yeah but even in the EU things should be even stricter - and first of all, ppl should be educated. To don't buy from sh.t companies. Anything. But the lobbyists are here just as much as there.

I bought Substance Painter for an asston of money back when it was owned by Allegorithmic. A year later Adobe bought the company, moved the Substance suite to the CC subscription, then discontinued the Linux release which I used. Now I can't even access the product *I LEGITIMATELY BOUGHT.* What the fuck is it other than literal theft? Pirating Adobe products is not just morally correct but a moral obligation.

@SmolBeanMyth

11 күн бұрын

do you still use substance painter or do you use something else?? I still need to use adobe for school (which, after I year, I might try the cracked versions), but if there's a substance alternative I would love to hear

@seansingh4421

23 сағат бұрын

You can actually sue them in a small claims court. Please do as doing it these days is actually easier than it used to be

Adobe is the McAfee of the creative software world. You'll need 3rd party software and a gallon of holy water to fully exorcise it from your computer.

@nabil5535

28 күн бұрын

LMAO!!!

@DisDatK9

28 күн бұрын

Seriously though. I flagged background Adobe processes running after I "deleted" it, and it basically still ran every process it did before deletion. Could see it was transferring data, so clearly even after removing the software they keep the trackers on and conveniently forgot I wasn't a customer anymore. Even with MULTIPLE software removal tools the Adobe suite is STILL being flagged in my background processes. It's fucking absurd, and the fact that they still are collecting my data after I uninstalled their software is the icing on the cake.

@Mordecrox

28 күн бұрын

Except that John Adobe doesn't have the gall to record a video in his luxurious mansion explaining that he just sold the rights but to make things even, teach how to cancel your subscription while smoking the fattest cigar

@asherjackson4504

28 күн бұрын

@@DisDatK9i feel like this wouldn't be possible on macos

@opossumgrylls3275

27 күн бұрын

As a man of nearly 50, I recall back in the windows 95/98 days, it was recommended to reinstall windows once a year to combat bloat. Now it's recommended to do the same to combat corporate spyware.

I cancelled Adobe 2 weeks ago after being their customer for 10 years.

@robmcd

Ай бұрын

Yep me too I call Adobe Adios now

@gabakusa

Ай бұрын

well done

@becausemexico149

Ай бұрын

Perfect reason to cancel

@TheAmazingFeli

Ай бұрын

Same, i was a costumer for 8 years

@amusik7

Ай бұрын

It feels good right! I'm rocking Davinci Resolve and Affinity (and actually Photopea even more), and have not missed much. The AI background removal is the only thing I've missed tbh.

I had to get an Adobe subscription a few years ago for a college class. They made it SO HARD to cancel it. Only way was to call them (LONG wait times). The first guy said he’d cancel my subscription and ended the call. 4 months later, I notice THEY’RE STILL BILLING ME! I called again and that time they ended it for real. Scammers.

@AriZenCh.

25 күн бұрын

You’re not the only one, i am trying to cancel it myself but i had a college plan and can’t even cancel i had to pay for 4 more months to cancel it

@frankbank8720

25 күн бұрын

Call your bank

@jefdamen2977

23 күн бұрын

U have to block and cancel your credit card in order to stop them from taking more. U can go to the police to put in a file of fraud and theft to get your money back.

@AriZenCh.

23 күн бұрын

@@jefdamen2977 At least i manage to change by plan and reduced my cancelation fee, Thank for that last drop of kindness adobe, I'll never use you again...

@legendarygodzilla3577

20 күн бұрын

Have the transaction blocked by your bank ​@@AriZenCh.

One thing worth noting is that them adding the paragraph about not using user data for AI generative model training is that they still have, as per their ToS signed by every user, the ability to use your content for ML. Machine learning is the broad term, AI is the specific one. They will still use your stuff for ML, just not for this particular AI. Very important distinction, they still will have what they originally wanted. This outrage has effectively changed nothing.

@ecospline

23 күн бұрын

Of course you have right...and even Jessica from Adobe Legal Team would agree with you

Removed all Adobe cloud apps from my computer. Was as difficult as getting rid of a Virus... Thank you NOT Adobe

@albertwong4516

Ай бұрын

I cancelled adobe years ago and I still have adobe updater and other shell files randomly ghosting my OS. Almost impossible to find and delete all the files. Totally agree it operates like a f***ing malware.

@Topper_Harley68

Ай бұрын

Revo uninstaller is a tool everyone should get.

@PatThePerson

Ай бұрын

@@albertwong4516I remember back in the late 90s my dad installed at&t dial up no matter what he tried the software kept automatically opening and trying to dial into their service on startup.

@yumri4

Ай бұрын

for me i found this easier than trying to find then remove everything adobe. Moving all my content to an external hard drive that wasn't already then resetting my windows install as Adobe has so many hooks even after you uninstall Adobe CC

@ZephrusPrime

Ай бұрын

You still need to go further. After uninstalling Adobe products, it's been found that there still is something left over in the PC. People have found that if they try to pirate PS after previously owning a real copy, somehow Adobe will detect it and auto delete it from your computer.

The moment people started agreeing for subscription based content, that was when everyone got FKD.

@phoenixbird7579

26 күн бұрын

That is the core of the issue, this applies to every big tech company, look at apple for example, people are stupid enough to spend a big amount of money for a phone, or nvidia they want sometimes 2000 USD for a graphic card. the problem is not these evil corporates as we know they are out there to make money, the problem is with people buying their products.

@DenysAlmaral

26 күн бұрын

this

@VintageTVMemories

25 күн бұрын

EXACTLY. And they took it hook-line-and-sinker.

@rpocc

25 күн бұрын

Agree. People just agreed to humiliating relationship between them and company.

@ForOurGood

25 күн бұрын

Could not agree more.

The bottom line is that by embracing generative AI, Adobe is eroding the economy and bussines viability of the very same creatives they (used to) regard as their main market.

@simoncossettini9680

26 күн бұрын

Generative ai is not the bad guy in this scenario - because I look at it as a more accurate clippart resource- you still need to be able to manipulate it, and if you have an idea or vision it can only get you in range of it - not always what you are looking for. The way ai learns may be questionable if your are taking art from people without their permission or without giving them a royalty a little like sampling was in the music scene then thats not right. The creative industry has been eroding for 30 years - there was a time when in an agency had a designer, illustrator, writer and a plethora of other positions then we were asked to multi-skill learn new programs so we became multimedia artists the businesses cut their costs made more money and we had to keep up. I imagine now they probably have mostly freelance/contract designers that they use project based which has been around for a long time. I am out of the industry for many years and someone asked me to design their logo last year for 80 euro( I would not even turn on the computer for that ) because thats what another designer quoted, I told them to use the other designer. They should just go to fiver and have rapid fire artists work (they may even do a great job)on their logo or get ai to generate it. Like many people they want everthing dirt cheap and not interested in a long term collaboration that favors everyone.

"I'm a lawyer and I'm here to help" is almost WORSE than "I'm from the Government and I'm here to help"

@RK-db4oq

23 күн бұрын

Nahhh. The government can do far more damage to your life than a private lawyer. Plus, there are government lawyers.

The big issue is NOT primarily the AI issue. That's a distraction and deviation. The big elephant in the room is Adobe taking ownership of content produced by users. Their actions abuse a dominant position to coerce ordinary customers, to give over intellectual property rights.

@cdertschei

Ай бұрын

true. I do work for some really confidant stuff / clients with lot‘s of security issues and tons of NDAs. I actually fear to use adobe software for that kind of work in the future.

@Oakette

29 күн бұрын

Once they've trained their generative AI, they've already won. The Adobe brand and its product line can tank, but at that point it doesn't even matter anymore. The trained AI model is now the only thing that matters. And the people willing to pay to use it won't be creative people with moral objections.

@NineSun001

29 күн бұрын

@@Oakette If Adobe is so stupid, that they really think one model will carry them. I run stable diffusion locally on my hardware. I switch models every month or so. Especially Juggernaut is incredibly powerful, maybe even the most advanced model for generating People at the moment. This model receives updates very frequently. If adobe is betting everything they have on one model, they will be dead by the end of 2025. Which might also be a good thing.

@ferdinand.keller

29 күн бұрын

@@cdertschei It will probably be impossible now. Any situation where you are working with sensitive data or data you have no right to sublicense can’t be done with adobe anymore.

@rustandmagic

29 күн бұрын

They are not "taking ownership" of your content, they still let you use it ;) you just give them the right to do what they want with it, it is still yours, this is common, Facebook had the same crap for many years (and now they use it for AI training).

Adobe's recent decisions are so bad, they brought Sasha back.

@SashaYanshin

Ай бұрын

LMAO

@TheReferrer72

Ай бұрын

Something had to, he made the wrong call on UK inflation.

@RoxStar_eth

Ай бұрын

@@TheReferrer72He was correct only the greedy service sector is holding up inflation otherwise all other prices are falling

@QuimLover

Ай бұрын

The sponsor of today's video?

@revaddict

Ай бұрын

​@@RoxStar_ethRight because inflation should be calculated by backing out greedy companies high prices and not what the end users pays..

I work for the government and this is very concerning that Adobe was doing this! We have sensitive data presented using Adobe software. I am glad I don’t pay for a private subscription. Shame on you Adobe! And I am glad you were exposed!

I banged my head against the desk attempting to cancel an Adobe subscription a couple of years ago. I thought it was just me.

@roostertechchan

26 күн бұрын

I've had similar experience with other software. Ended up just blocking the merchant on my bank's side :) Easy and effective.

The US federal government is taking Adobe to court over the difficulty of cancelling a business sub. The indictment names the specific senior execs who were responsible for the policy. Karma!

@dafyddthomas7299

Ай бұрын

Lets hope EU GOV does the same, also possibly on GDPR law violations as well, need hot shot legal companies to take class actions on our behalf.

@ToloRon

Ай бұрын

Government suing companies like that? Really ? ..id rather need to see money supply on blockchain diminish from these companies after being sued, everything is just not believable.

@djvar94

Ай бұрын

Karma nothing. If found guilty they will barely have to pay 2% of their capital.

@x0chocolatekiss0x

Ай бұрын

The US gov is a slave to big companies so be prepared for nothing to happen

@samarthdev4470

Ай бұрын

That’s why I haven’t bothered to cancel it, I just got myself new card. Ridiculous of adobe trying to charge me more money just to cancel my subscription. ADOBE HAD BECINE BERY GREEDY!

Just cancelled mine after 20 years being a customer. They are so non-caring they don't ask anymore why you are leaving.

They accused me of a violation they couldn't prove in a dispute, then they stole my money and took all my designs on Adobe Stock. They make their own rule to make themselves rich.

The ire of this video completely encapsulates the feeling every creative person has towards all companies who have been treating us like nobodies for so freaking long. Time to take a stand. I’m sick and tired of corporations taking advantage of us and I’m not gonna take it anymore!!!

The licence thing is crazy. Many editors are paid to work on exclusive or confidential video work which they are contractually obliged not to reproduce.

@crableproductions5112

29 күн бұрын

This.... We are not even allowed to have internet connection on our work computers for security and legal reasons.

@svnbit8408

29 күн бұрын

​@@crableproductions5112So they've basically got root access to just record everything on your computer screen at all time? If so, I can't see why they wouldn't be exploiting and brokering just about any content, data ,behavior, that's of value and who's to say where the buck stops they could just tailor it to meet demands of anyone willing to pay. Wait didn't they do something with their cloud file syncing like change the service , and or charge extra or something? Damn I may have lost a bunch of work I haven't logged into creative cloud at all in months.

@janem3575

29 күн бұрын

hospitals too! personal health info...

@austinjt4264

29 күн бұрын

Happened to me too. I kept my work photos on a Cloud Software that I've paid monthly to store Data. Turned out, they sell those pictures elsewhere that can be search & easily found by google image search engine. Lucky enough, all photos I've taken of a specific house, was on Canon Camera that haven't been copied to Cloud yet. The House belong to a Chinese Billionaire with Maximum Security, for construction workers, they are not even allow to use to Phone. All phones must be confiscate before entering the area, so there'd be no pictures. Even the construction teams, are changing from Floor to Floor, in order to prevent a single group to know where part of the house. There are like 50 different construction company that work on that site. I can't imagine if the photo were leaked, they would've probably sue me to the bones.

@ajoshdoingthings541

28 күн бұрын

Not only, Adobe lost customer trust of them being a reliable business partner with their back-and-forth. Probably the most important currency is now widely gone

I purchased Adobe when you could actually own the software. The interesting thing about that is that, even though you technically owned the software, Adobe stopped supporting it. Furthermore, as a result of requiring updated software to continue, the purchased software became useless. Essentially Adobe disabled the content you had already paid for and owned. I ceased doing any business with them at that time because it was obvious that they were just a bunch of thieves masquerading as a business.

@SplashJohn

28 күн бұрын

Same thing happened to me. When Adobe went to the subscription model, I told myself, "Screw that -- I'll just use my purchased copy of CS6 as long as I can." A few months later, when I launched a CS app, a window came up saying my license had expired and I had to update to the subscription version. I called Adobe, made a huge stink, talked with 4 different people, and they ended up giving me a new passcode that would allow access for another year. I used that time to migrate to other tools.

@Mtaalas

28 күн бұрын

All companies are thieves masquerading as businesses... and NEVER EVER think that a business is your friend or has your interest in mind. All they care about is MONEY. Nothing else. You mean nothing to them except your money.

@normduch

28 күн бұрын

​@@SplashJohnfrom my understanding of the law, which I read on this topic about 12 years ago, so long as you maintain a physical copy of a piece of software you have purchased, you can legally run a pirated copy. I maintain a physical CS6 collection and still use the software without issue. However, due to updates by various software and drivers, I will be switching to Linux and likely, finally, shifting to other software in the very near future.

@SplashJohn

28 күн бұрын

@@Mtaalas "All"? "Never ever"? "Nothing else"? Yeah, that's a nuanced worldview right there.

@lisabrightly

27 күн бұрын

You're not telling the full story, people were stealing from Adobe because even though they required the software purchases there were tons of pirated versions. I should know - I never bought software. I had hackers install every single version that I ever used up until 2012. Of course the work versions were paid for but in my personal life I bootlegged everything and I know plenty of designers who did the same thing. Adobe had to do something, they were losing hundreds of millions. That doesn't make them thieves, they're a business.

I am not an attorney, but have worked with corporate attorneys on IP and licenses for decades. This narrrative that ordinary people can't understand a legal document is simply untrue. This is not some "Whereas" and "Therefore" wordiness here, and what you read is what you get. Pay no attention to executives, corporate attorneys, or PR people when they start talking about what the terms "mean". Whatever the terms say is the meaning and their explanations have no bearing unless the terms are clarified similarly in writing. Just go looking for definitions when you see capitalized words because they can be defined in ways other than what you may assume in a general conversational context. The attorneys at large firms like Adobe know exactly what they're doing. They parse this stuff to death and that's why it takes such a long time to do it.

I actually worked for adobe for a number of years - as a front line support tech and later as a tier 3 support person (ie - the one guy literally who could do stuff) and for the lawyers to have made a video suggests your post really shook them (I was there in the CS3-CS6 days). Usually you only heard from them when there was a pending lawsuit and they didn't want emails with specific words to show up in discovery.

@unitradwa8314

25 күн бұрын

and imagine - those days (cs3-cs6) adobe was still considered as legit company. Support was not outsourced to some Bangladesh 3rd party. No damn software "rental" and no annoying cloud services

@anuragsengupta2880

25 күн бұрын

⁠@@unitradwa8314why can’t it be a legit company while outsourcing ?

@MichaelJantzen42

25 күн бұрын

@@unitradwa8314 Well support was outsourced - for a long time it was done by Stream in Beaverton. When they absorbed Macromedia - their support was done in the Philippines. After the merger they migrated everything to India where its largely handled by an outsourcing company (I can't remember who). When I applied to become a tier 3 tech - that was working for Adobe directly - you can see my name in the credits in help about for some products.

@MichaelJantzen42

24 күн бұрын

@@unitradwa8314 I actually first started there as a tech working for their outsourcing partner in Beaverton. It wasn't until a few years after they absorbed Macromedia (who did their support in Philippines) that they started moving tier 1 support to India. When I became a tier 3 tech it was for Adobe directly. It was a genuinely fun place to work :).

Affinity must be doing great thanks to Adobe's treatment of their customers.

@SashaYanshin

Ай бұрын

Oh yeah. I have no commercial relationship with them but I bet I sent over hundreds if not thousands of new customers. :)

@dafyddthomas7299

Ай бұрын

Lets hope they do not Ctrl C+V Adobe & Microsoft SAS model

@doji-san

Ай бұрын

@@SashaYanshin Me being one of them.. I've never heard of affinity until this video. THANKS!!!!!!

@Gremriel

Ай бұрын

@@dafyddthomas7299 Eh, Affinity was bought by Canvas, and while they vehemently deny anything will change, I'm not hopeful. But my, by now ancient, Photo 1.5 still works with my even more ancient digital camera.

@VenomLeon

Ай бұрын

And they KNEW what they were doing with their "sudden" 50% off deal! 🤣

Adobe is not alone in this. Countless big and well known companies screw over their customers - just glad you said it like it is 👍🏼

@marekeisenman-soletraderco3711

Ай бұрын

Not to mention Google.

@brandon_youtube

Ай бұрын

Other companies at least give you control to say NO. Figma allows opt in or opt out.

@TearThatRedFlagDown

Ай бұрын

Big companies in general can get away with a lot of things that small businesses can't, and would result in the latter going out of business. There shouldn't be one rule for them and another rule for the rest. We've already had separation of church and state, how about we go for separation of business/economy and state next?

@solarydays

Ай бұрын

@@brandon_youtube like apple with their no opt-out AI assistant that will scan your hard drive and feed it to chat gtp? right

@Jack_Warner

Ай бұрын

Louis Rossman makes loads of videos about big companies screwing their customers.

Graphic desiner here, 20+ years of career. I remember a time when a lot of designers uses Corel Draw because of its easiest and more flexible and customizable interface compared to Adobe's. Bet at the time, even who used Corel products knew that Adobe programs were SOLID, and that fact was for decades considered an almost undisputed truth. Until Adobe came along with the change from "buying" to "renting" their products via CC. The amount of bugs, inconsistencies and flaws skyrocketed in an alarming and clearly perceived rate. Most people just kept using Adobe because of its kind of "monopoly" on the market, being the inventors of Postscript and all... Stability-wise, Adobe today is a distant shadow from what it was in the past.

That’s why I pirate their software. After they blocked my license and wanted me to upgrade Photoshop CC version with a subscription. So, if they do that, it’s ethically alright for me to just pirate their CC version of software and just block the Internet connectivity for that app to keep stuff safe.

I fell for Adobe’s deceitful pricing in college when I needed to use illustrator for a 1 week project. Entirely thought that I signed up for a $5 per month subscription that I could cancel at any time at no additional expense. After canceling the subscription the next week I was shocked to see Adobe charged me $60 (price for one entire year). At the time I only had a couple hundred dollars to my name and really needed that money. Hate shady business practices. Shame on Adobe.

@kennymackenzie2376

27 күн бұрын

Experienced that pricing catch myself

@themanwhosavedtheworld236

27 күн бұрын

I experienced a similar thing. I used the free trial and turns out i can't cancel without paying extra money, because it's an annual plan that you pay month to month. Though i got rid of this by changing my plan and using the 15-day refund thing, it's fucked that i had to search for such a weird way to get my money back.

@mpcgamingclips

27 күн бұрын

I used PayPal for my subscription, after a few months of use and realising Adobe are still bloatware, I went to cancel and realised the same issue as you, immediately revoked the PayPal authorisation. They tried billing me as usual for three more months, then I got a surcharge stating it’s been auto cancelled and I owe them for the rest of the term. Well that was over a year ago, nothing has come of it and they don’t email anymore.

@lisabrightly

27 күн бұрын

I pay $70.00 per month and you're crying about 60.00 for an entire year, you're funny 🤣

@gigivi903

27 күн бұрын

@@lisabrightlybecause money is relative. 60$ was a lot for him he just stated. Don’t be like that Lisa. UGH

I'm reworking my entire workflow from top to bottom in order to remove any whiff of Adobe. I sat through the change from paid to subscription, the program bloat, the crappy customer service. Something snapped in me and that's it. I'm done. Twenty years of using this company to create my art and I'm just so completely done.

@Morning404

27 күн бұрын

I'm seriously contemplating cutting off Adobe too. So expensive each month.

@MatthewsPersonal

27 күн бұрын

I feel bad for the people who weren't able to switch sooner :(

@firstsurname2478

26 күн бұрын

Or you can revert to good old PRE-cloud versions like v6.0 when it was made by proper people

...and this, my friend is why I am still running the last "stand alone" version of Photoshop: CS6. Bollocks to the "cloud" and subscriptions and "accept and continue". Thumbs up.

Omg, not only did Adobe try to dupe customers into signing away the rights to their contents, but to have the gall after being found out to shamelessly gaslight their customers by blaming them for being too stupid to understand legal writing!

I hate that I can't remove my credit card, that should be extremely illegal

@tsm688

28 күн бұрын

I'm sure it is.

@Cre4tor.

24 күн бұрын

@@tsm688it actually is

@glennkamers

23 күн бұрын

For companies like this I use virtual CC. I can create 10 with my bank. If they don't let me cancel i just delete the virtual card.

Adobe were shat as soon as they abandoned their boxed products many years ago

@MR_THINQ

Ай бұрын

Totally agree, I remember when they did that it caused total uproar in the creative community - we never wanted this subscription in the first place! Subscriptions are a fucking con.

@organismseven3700

Ай бұрын

@@MR_THINQ "it caused total uproar in the creative community" And then most of them opted to pay their subscriptions. Adobe shareholders: 😂

@onejdc

Ай бұрын

I've held onto my old copies of CS 5 & 6 for so long...now I know why.

@MaakaSakuranbo

Ай бұрын

Welcome to technofeudalism Better pay your landlords for the right to toil on those digital fields

@malthus101

Ай бұрын

@@organismseven3700 tit

To sum this up, seems Adobe did clarify a lot: 4.3(A) Licence to Cloud Content to Operate the Services and Software on **Your Behalf**. 4.3(B) ...we do not have the right to, and we will not...allow ***third parties to improve their products*** with your Content. These seems blocks: 1. License to adobe violating the upstream license. Because it's on your behalf but you need due diligence, as well as Adobe. 2. Your content became someone else's source, including but not only generative AI. As "third parties" means anyone other than you and Adobe, including other Adobe's customers. 3. For 4.3(B) also, you can opt-out so no violation even if it's not on your behalf. This is really an 180deg turn compare to what it was. There wasn't "on your behalf" in the T&C. If you agree that and grant the license to Adobe, you're risking to violation your upstream license. (base on the portion shown in this video, I can't find the old T&C full text). So even if Adobe is overlooked, it's NOT an excuse for such an mistake to happen. Many customers' legal risk(they use these to make living, hence life risk IMO) are on the line! I don't really believe Adobe CEO never took a look on that. If he didn't, it's a even more serious issue.

I've only ever used pirated software from Adobe and I'm glad I did. I'm not going to "rent" a software and pay a significant amount of money every month endlessly. Renting my apartment pisses me off enough.

@Malibu_Man

25 күн бұрын

I have never paid for a single piece of software. Just call me Captain Jack Sparrow, a pirate. I have never bought Windows or Adobe, and I build computers and am a professional photographer. I also dabble in digital art and 3D modeling and CAD. I thought back then that paying $1200 for software that edits photos is insane, and now the idea of paying $60 for software to edit photos is still insane. I have never paid and I never will. Autodesk Inventor, 3ds Max, Maya, Photoshop, Illustrator, Affinity Designer, Camtasia, Corel Painter -- never paid for any of it. And I never will. People, learn to create rules in your Windows Firewall, and go nuts. F*ck subscriptions. Know what pisses me off is the fact that colleges are making students pay for Adobe subscriptions -- because they are beholden to Adobe, for whatever reason -- even if the student only needs Adobe for a single day, or week, or month, or however long it takes to finish a project required for a class. Even though that student will only have need for that software for however long it takes for he or she to complete a college project requiring Adobe, he or she is locked into Adobe's subscription for a year. THAT is the basis for a lawsuit, it is patently evil. Nevermind the headache of getting out of that subscription. And don't think for a moment that Adobe doesn't know this. Of course they do. And the colleges promoting Adobe know this too. I wouldn't be surprised if Adobe were giving colleges across the country free licenses for college instructors as long as the colleges required the students to buy the Adobe subscriptions out of their own pockets. Again, people, pay for nothing. Even if it isn't a subscription model, it is almost certainly massively overpriced. Just find some key generators, some cracks, some DLLs, and go nuts. I don't care. The little guy struggling to create a business model or break into an industry doesn't have the money to pay $2000 for CAD software. It's ridiculous. The little guy needs to get smarter. Keep your money. Those corporations are rich enough.

Just ended my subscription yesterday. Fuck Adobe.

@FireMunki63

Ай бұрын

Fair enough but what did you use it for? I use in design, Photoshop After Effects, Animate, Lightroom and much motor. Can other offerings truly use plugins , brushes and assets I have already invested in and will I now have a steep learning curve for a disparate gaggle of programs with no uniformity of use? As a business is it really practical to dump Adobe,, will it really make a difference? I don’t find Affinity does everything I need it to do. The only programs I truly find worthy alternatives are DaVinci Resolve for Premiere Pro and Logic instead of Audition. Adobe CC is just easier workflow and a common interface. Is change truly cost effective? Won’t Affinity move to a subscription model in the end now it’s been bought by Canva? All these alternatives will be bought up and eventually incorporated not a subscription model.

@danielkurtovic9099

Ай бұрын

@@FireMunki63 are you paid for this comment ?? They try to screw their customers and you ok with it ??

@dafyddthomas7299

Ай бұрын

@@FireMunki63 Possibly with Affinity V3 but users can say stick with V2 and remain also on Windows 10 - not subscribing / going to use Microsoft AI Co-Pilot & REcall ^%%^%^%^ ocks

@BironelStudiosPress

26 күн бұрын

Ended today

I think its important for them to mention what they want to do with it, instead of what they won't do.. "I won't hit a cat with your favorite painting" does not tell me why you need my painting in the first place.

@tsm688

28 күн бұрын

of course. that's exactly why they didn't do so

@dzee7936

27 күн бұрын

Great analogy.

@ibubezi7685

27 күн бұрын

So you're telling me Adobe is hitting dogs with my paintings????? And Ms. Piggy?!??! Evil bastards!!!

@digitalizedmind6784

22 күн бұрын

They're dodging the question because they know if they answer honestly people will get mad

They'll only change their ways once they start losing big institutional customers.

Figured out Adobe is awful 7 years ago. Worst company. Ran into some of their employees at a trade show and brought up my grievances and they already knew about the problems and agreed. Never again. Cancel adobe.

The "maturing" IT sector boils down to having everything done on somebody else's computer so they can lock you out if you don't pay. This model won't last 100 years.

@kenim

Ай бұрын

IT loves to go dystopian. Its crazy

@darkinetix

Ай бұрын

Neither will we

@maitreya1906

Ай бұрын

ten years tops. prolly less

@TheGreatness-gg1jx

Ай бұрын

Won't last ten years. Too many smart people ready to pounce on their stupidity.

@muhdiversity7409

Ай бұрын

I dropped absolutely everything cloud. Including Altium designer which cost me a pretty penny as I could see where things were heading. These companies think you have no other options. What they fail to understand that the "customers" they are trying to take advantage of currently still have agency and are able to think for themselves too.,

This has been your daily reminder that 'On the cloud' means "In someone else's computer". If data is not on your PC, you don't own it or control it.

@Clisare

Ай бұрын

Yeah except this extends to stuff on your computer

@inferno336

Ай бұрын

Not if you have windows. They also take information from your pc.

@kuya5k

Ай бұрын

⁠@@Clisareyep you get it. i don't even f'ing use adobe cloud i couldn't care less lol, this is about the fact that they are saying anything we do at all

@amansahu6799

29 күн бұрын

It really is that simple. The whole of cloud boils down to that.

@Malibu_Man

25 күн бұрын

external hard drives are a conspiracy theorist's best friend. Get some bays and stack up on your externals. CDs too.

FOSS community warned us 20 years ago and almost everyone ridiculed them, shat on their free alternatives, and kept giving Microsoft, Google and Adobe thousands of dollars...

Cancelation fees with their shitty subscription model made an instant hater out of me as someone who used it purely for a class

Software subscriptions are like living with an abusive partner. Everyday you come home expecting peace and tranquility but there's another letter with a whole new set of demands from her lawyer telling you what you must agree to or else. People have to get it into their heads that you can walk away and go through the pain of divorce and kicking abusive "partners" to the curb. Everyone, please stop with the Stockholm syndrome and the Adobe problem goes away.

@martinskoog1777

Ай бұрын

You've presented a strong analogy between abusive relationships and software subscriptions that demand constant updates and agreement to new terms. It's a creative way to highlight the frustration users experience with the feeling of being trapped or manipulated. The idea of "walking away" or choosing alternative software solutions is a valid one, and it's true that as consumers we have the power to make those choices. By becoming more aware of the options available and resisting the pressure to conform, we can collectively influence the software industry to be more user-friendly and transparent. The term "Stockholm syndrome" is a strong one, and while it might not perfectly describe the situation, it does evoke a sense of being psychologically attached to something despite its negative effects. It's an interesting way to frame the discussion about consumer choice and the potential for change. It's important to remember that while the comparison is evocative, software subscriptions and abusive relationships are fundamentally different things. One is a business model, and the other is a harmful interpersonal dynamic. While both can involve feelings of powerlessness and frustration, it's important to distinguish between them when discussing solutions. Overall, your analogy is thought-provoking and raises valid concerns about the current state of software subscriptions. It encourages critical thinking and empowers consumers to take control of their choices.

@ShinK_319

Ай бұрын

The best way to deal with software subscriptions: 1. Pirate it. Or... 2. Use an alternative. There is tons of free and (Non-SaaS bullshittery) paid alternatives worth supporting.

@123Coffs

Ай бұрын

They are an awful company with no integrity

@tsm688

28 күн бұрын

There needs to be laws about that. They can't just change the terms on access to someone else's data.

As someone who first started using Adobe software 20 years ago and finished 8 years ago, avoid them at all costs. Resolve, Affinity and Figma

@comedunken6156

Ай бұрын

What software do you use instead of Adobe

@MaximKachurovskiy

Ай бұрын

@@comedunken6156 same as Sasha, Resolve and Affinity

@TheRealSlimSteve

Ай бұрын

@@comedunken6156 Coreldraw is just as good for most purposes. And much much cheaper.

@marekeisenman-soletraderco3711

Ай бұрын

@@comedunken6156 Canva

@neurocidesakiwi

Ай бұрын

What software you using?

Very good video lad. Right on point. I was working for adobe, I resigned recently and canceled their dumb subscriptions. Really feeling bad for thousands and thousand of artists, creators on adobe stock, behance etc. Adobe really is EVIL.

The problem is Adobe is the most adopted program for universities and colleges. There should be campus protests banning the use of Adobe software for art students.

As someone who has had the "pleasure" of cancelling an Adobe subscription - Thank you very much for warning others and F you very much Adobe, until you fire the evil suits and start acting with a minimum of integrity.

after they went down the subscription service route I cancelled them.

@TheGreatness-gg1jx

Ай бұрын

What are you using instead of theirs?

@GREATSATANIC

Ай бұрын

@@TheGreatness-gg1jx yo ho, yo ho..

@tralfazy

Ай бұрын

I used CS4

@gixxer12

Ай бұрын

Same. Affinity suite is excellent

@heneagedundas

Ай бұрын

I stuck with CS5. It mostly does enough for my requirements.

I hate that companies can't just sell products anymore, now they actively try to legally steal from you. What happened to just trading currency and not everything you own

TBH, I could never understand why anyone would give Adobe their money for so many years when Affinity Suite, DaVinci, Final Cut Pro, and EVEN CANVA, exists. 💀💀💀 Even aimless pre-pandemic me could tell that they’re scammers.

The fact that they had that lawyer talking about "lawyer stuffs is hard", just means they don't even know who their customers are. Most of the actual paid licenses for Adobe software comes from companies, who often have their own legal depts and IT teams responsible for vetting software they pay for. My company is under a bunch of NDAs with clients, so how the hell does Adobe fit into all of that if the work we're doing using their software can leak out to them directly?

@yds6268

28 күн бұрын

It would be hopelessly naive of any company to think that Adobe (or Google or Microsoft) don't take their data. The only way to make sure it doesn't happen is to only launch the programs offline and remove all the company's data from the machine during updates.

@vaskoobscura_

28 күн бұрын

Let's be honest here. Adobe's true customers are it's share holders. That's all that really matters to them. Adobe doesn't care about artists or creatives they only care about share holder earnings. The more money they can take from us the happier their share holders. That's the root of the problem.

@Mordecrox

28 күн бұрын

That's why also IT teams are trained in basic legalese. So when this came, and the renewal window was coming, the convo was basically: IT: Hey boss new Adobe terms are a bit sus, we're putting it through legal. Legal: We confirmed IT suspicions and added a few remarks of our own. Boss: Macromedia Fireworks is still a thing? Send them a fax, tell them we're interested now

@NickEnchev

28 күн бұрын

@@yds6268 Its not naive, its one thing for a company to keep your data, which you store remotely. I know for a fact that my shit is stored on google drive, or one drive, or google docs, and they are doing whatever they want with it. Its a whole different thing for work you create in a digital art tool to end up licensed by them and taken, its absurd.

@adamcravets5408

26 күн бұрын

Also, when was the last time, or first time, any lawyer appeared in any official capacity in a tee-shirt? It’s like they are trying to say “we’re just like you, our creative customers who we love”. Which makes it even more obvious they are running scared.

“You will own nothing”.

@SashaYanshin

Ай бұрын

Very much the case here!

@xvx4848

Ай бұрын

"And you'll be happy..."

@scroopynooperz9051

Ай бұрын

Cloud based services is just one aspect of that "owning nothing" concept. Not even your data and software will be yours to own 😂 They're truly turning us into their cattle. If you can, opt to not use a cloud service and support regular software you can actually buy.

@muhdiversity7409

Ай бұрын

I will not use your product AND I will be happy. See how that works ?

@muhdiversity7409

Ай бұрын

This scummy WEF crap is so tiresome. There's more of us than there are of them, they just haven't figured that out yet.

Glad you talked about this. When I read the updated terms I was like, “wait what the?” and was wondering why I wasn’t seeing anyone blasting this.

Content creators and artists do not need a ToS that authorizes theft in order to know AI is bad for them. Actors and TV personalities will be virtually non existent by 2030. Artists will have their personal styles ripped off and regurgitated and mixed with other styles by AI on such a mass level and at such a cheap price that real creators will be priced out of the market. I am glad to see people start to speak out about this. I wish people would stop using AI.

They steal your stuff, we should steal theirs.

@trowawayacc

29 күн бұрын

No no. Make them irrelevant.

@eSheeep

28 күн бұрын

In all honesty I can see someone over at Adobe having had this exact train of thought to justify this full-on-corporate move.

@informitas0117

28 күн бұрын

Train an AI on photoshop and have it make a program.

@informitas0117

28 күн бұрын

Train an AI on photoshop and have it make a program.

I will not pay a subscription to edit photos. I will only pay once for software. And if they steal my work I won’t pay at all. It’s that simple

@TheLotw

27 күн бұрын

No, no, no. You agreed to their TOS which grants them rights and ownership to everything you create with their rental software.

@kentacy69

25 күн бұрын

​@@TheLotwanother win for piracy, zero TOS accepted o7

I had been subscribed adobe for 2 years due to university study. I thought the student discount price were the same for every year. However for the third year, the subscription price rise to the same for normal subscription. It make me very angry and unsubscribed immediately

I got so disgusted, i removed their stuff from my pc that i got pirated

Companies: "Don't pirate our software! It belongs to us, because we have spent much effort and time to develope it!" Also campanies: "We allow ourself to steal everything from you!"

@kiwiadventures3773

29 күн бұрын

They bought Macromedia used their IP and shut them down

@friendlylaser

28 күн бұрын

I'm still not over google chrome casually scanning all your hdds and sending the list of all of your files to google for YOUR PROTECTION ALRIGHT. Insane. People ate it up because chrome is too convenient and google strangled competition.

@informitas0117

28 күн бұрын

​@friendlylaser I've never used Chrome on any device I care about or have data I care about. Like this tablet, I'm writing on now. It has nothing for them to steal. Just use Firefox people.

@ColdCutz

28 күн бұрын

@@friendlylaserWTH?! I barely use Chrome but I’m about to lock that shit down if it’s still the case.

@friendlylaser

28 күн бұрын

@@ColdCutz they faced mild backlash over it, I'm not sure if they turned it off or not. In any case I do not trust chrome after that. If you have hdd you can easily notice the scanning by the disk noises. I figured that out by just noticing something using my drives and checking the task manager. Web browser should have no business whatsoever scanning PC contents.

You know it's bad when they put a lawyer on video

@janem3575

29 күн бұрын

a very intentional FEMALE lawyer

@evrythingis1

28 күн бұрын

@@janem3575 Young women are the easiest to convince to publicly lie.

@janem3575

27 күн бұрын

@@evrythingis1 nope, everyone equally good at lying in any format. people more likely believe a female. and, they should have used an older lawyer of any gender

@XRaiden1

26 күн бұрын

​@janem3575 Now that's just a cheap move

I’ve never given them money, now I never will

Top tip: if they force you to pay a cancellation fee for a particular service, change your plan then cancel immediately. You may even get some money back on the original plan too.

dark patterns like no cancel button on an agreement need to be criminalized

@halominder

23 күн бұрын

It's not an agreement at that point.. there is literally no option to agree, or disagree.

Adobe is taking deranged to another level. Also funny and disgusting is the fact that you pay a subscription fee for adobe cloud so that they can steal your work.

@monipenny408

Ай бұрын

Welcome to U$A, the people pay the z1onist state to be exploited!! That is the genius of U$ "freedoman and democracy!"

@dafyddthomas7299

Ай бұрын

Not just Adobe; don't be surprise to see M/ soft 360 doing this many say on quiet to build their Copliot AI, Recall AI - example allowing businesses to create AI generated documents, etc, e.g., legal

@ventralstreams

Ай бұрын

@@dafyddthomas7299 I see how this can happen in "mutant" markets like in the US but I really can't see companies getting their hands on people's personal files easily in the EU. (Hopefully)

@dafyddthomas7299

Ай бұрын

@@ventralstreams Spyware / things running in background; like Adobe CC may be able to get access / see your drives; unfortunately with this Saga and previous ones I read on Adobe- leaking CC info to web, I don't trust Adobe at all - hence with this AI TOS G%$%$%$%$ I cancelled my Subscription immediately; even paying the fee.

@gdutfulkbhh7537

Ай бұрын

AI is the "must have", even when it's the emperor's new clothes. Expect to see all the companies that were late off the mark doing unethical crap in an effort to placate the board and the shareholders.

I ditched Adobe years ago when they started their overpriced subscription rip-offs. Photoscape ($45 no sub) replaced Lightroom And Inkscape (free) replaced illustrator . Never used premier or photoshop anyways. So $45 flat fee as opposed to years of 100s of dollars per month, absolute no brainer.

At this point you’re better of changing your account’s card to an empty one rather than cancelling.

My pirated copy of Photoshop turns 14 years old soon and I have no plans to get any other program because I simply don't care, it works for my needs.

I gave up on Adobe some years ago, when they started telling me that I had to have the latest high end PC to run their software (My PC at the time was a six month old high end PC) and then forced me to upgrade the software I was paying for, then crippling it so it didn't work. But what really pissed me off was when I tried to uninstall Adobe products. It took two days, numerous program downloads and three different registry edits. Only when you go through this exercise do you realise how much spyware Adobe installs on your PC without your knowledge. Oh and my PC doubled in speed after the uninstall. I'll NEVER use Adobe again.

Never used photoshop or any other adobe creative product. Never will. I use krita like a sane artist who actually gives a shit about having usable software that isn't made by a psychopathic and greedy corporation. Seriously. Krita and gimp both exist. If you're an artist, use krita, if you're editing photos use krita or gimp. Hell use csp or something if you want. I still don't get why people have put up this long with adobe's bullshit.

Pro photographer here. Used Photoshop since version 2.0 on a Mac. By 2003 the move was to CS and I was concerned and expressed that concern to Adobe representatives at the photographic show I had attended. At that time I was using Adobe software as four separate programs, Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign and Acrobat. In the event I was persuaded to try CS and everything was ok for a couple of years when Adobe invited me to the launch of CS2. I asked several questions at that launch and I saw an arrogance in Adobe's responses then and decided to jump ship. One response from Adobe was (quote) "there are only around 100,000 professional photographers globally and you are NOT Adobe's market" (unquote). I used a combination of software from Apple (Aperture) who treated pro photgraphers badly, DXO and various bits of software. Eventually, I settled on Affinity and use their triumvirate of software including Photo, Design and Publisher and my PDF needs are taken care of by PDF Expert. The point of this ramble through history is that Adobe have always been greedy and cavalier and they are a company that I have no confidence in.

I cancelled my subscription a few years ago and although it was easy, Adobe made it clear that if I cancelled midway through a year’s subscription I would lose access to said subscription with no prorated refund. Every other subscription I’ve had where I cancelled before the renewal date allowed me to keep using the service until the day the current subscription expired.

@PjotrII

29 күн бұрын

Adobe is a very greedy company, stopped being their customer over 10 years ago, when they started to demand monthly subscription.

@loveluclins

28 күн бұрын

That is extremely petty and entitled of adobe.

As recently as yesterday if you open Photoshop>Preferences>Product Improvement>Photoshop Improvement Program there's a tickbox for "Yes I'd like to participate" and under that in clear unambiguous language is another checkbox that says "I give Adobe permission to use my images and associated data to train Adobe's generative AI models". Fun fact, if you opted into the improvement program the permission to train their generative AI models was ticked on for you by default when they added it. Wild that they expect people to believe that their intention wasn't to use their data to train their generative AI models when their software and terms both clearly state in plain English that that's what they intend to do.

They've watched Apple get away with that, killing functionality on successful apps that had to pay for the privilege of being on the Apple platform, then shortly releasing their own non-broken copycat app.

Hell, man. It's probably my 1st like in ten years. Especially for the fact that you ditched their software. Thank you for raising awareness.

I signed up for a 7-day trial before Christmas. Used it once to password-protect one document. Forgot to cancel until the new year, then couldn’t cancel without paying a massive surcharge of over £150. There’s a huge class action case against Adobe by users in the USA because it’s so hard to cancel. Thanks for letting us know about this additional awful practice! 😮

@SonicBoyster

Ай бұрын

OK, let’s not get crazy. This is the situation where you were trying to take advantage of a free trial so that you wouldn’t have to spend money on the full product and you screwed up. Let’s not act like that’s exactly the same thing as Adobe stealing your work. If you agree to their terms and break their terms, you cannot complain.

@tommy5480

Ай бұрын

​@@SonicBoyster You don't seem to understand that it is a real problem the person there isn't complaining about having to pay for that one month they forgot to cancel subscription for but the fact that when they realised that and tried to cancel adobe makes you pay 50% of the other months you didn't use it for I'm her case if its $10 per month will have to pay 60 dollars , 10 for the first month then 50% of thr others but only ger to use it for pne month or can stay and pay them every month even when the software isn't needed anymore... THAT IS WHAT THE PERSON IS COMPLAINING ABOUT

@relaxababy

Ай бұрын

It’s crazy 😂

@redbloodreaver4935

29 күн бұрын

​@@tommy5480doesn't the penalty only apply if you are on an annual plan? If you are on a month-to-month plan there shouldn't be a penalty for cancelling.

@dreamyrhodes

29 күн бұрын

@@SonicBoyster If Adobe offers a free trial for unlimited use, the customer can do exactly that. If its then impossible to cancel without a huge penalty then it's just a scam.

As the lawyer states VERY clearly "they know that sometimes legal language only makes sense to lawyers" This can be used in court releasing everyone from anything that is in their terms and cond. because they have admitted it only makes sense or is only cognitively perceivable by crooked twisted language that the reader can't understand therefore can not agree to because it was written to be intentionally vague and meant to hide its true meanings and intents.

@ThorpenAlnyr

Ай бұрын

Or you just lack legal context, it's not legal language (it uses the same words that you and I use on a daily basis). It's lacking context. Once you know the context, it's a reasonable TOS. Y'all are overexagerating it.

I was a victim to the secret annual sub and absolutely mortified when it asked me to pay something over $140 for me to cancel only 3 months after bought it “monthly” I actually died. There was no WAY if it was clear even a little bit would I have signed up to be hostage like that, I was just starting to dabble creatively, I didn’t know how long I was going to use it for. Then, somehow after telling them fine I will pay the toll to exit (which now a few months later was a little “cheaper” after not knowing what to do and trying to gaslight myself into using adobe more) They said oh here look we’ll slash the price to free for 3 months and then you can continue on with keeping your sub no worries, look we fixed it. Sneaky. I said f**k you and paid my toll get out. Never to return.

I canceled mine a few months ago. I can’t stand them. I don’t need them. I don’t want to be a part of it anymore..

The audacity! They expect the customer to pay through the nose for their products AND give them access to all their work?!?! What the fuck?

@daysandwords

Ай бұрын

For a second I thought you were talking about the free audio editing software... oh the AUDACITY! 🤣

@Kaibrockelt

Ай бұрын

@@daysandwords ironically, audacity (the software) is kick ass, and can easily replace adobe auditon.

@manoz6194

Ай бұрын

@@daysandwords hey I remember using that to edit ringtones years back lol

@friendlylaser

28 күн бұрын

​@@Kaibrockeltwell, no. I paid for adobe because audition is way way way better than audacity. Audacity is a free software slop. Gimp is not photoshop. Because of people wishfully say it is the same or kick ass free software stagnate and stay shitty, because someone's pride will be hurt if they admit it is barely usable. Just contributing code is not enough, you should have donation campaigns for paying for UX design. Programmers make the worst UI possible.

@cliffgreene1675

28 күн бұрын

As a current user of GIMP and an ex-user of Photoshop, I'll be the first to delay they are NOT the same, and Photoshop is much easier to use and far more powerful. But for my purposes. I'm willing to struggle a little with my projects in favour of avoiding Adobe, their cost and insane terms of use

"Your data is my data, but my data is my data". How ridiculous.

@TheRimBrakeGuy

Ай бұрын

@Newtube_Channel in the past you bought a product, and now they push it as service? thats BS. You just want to use specific tools/operations/filters etc. But if they want it as a service, they can put it in their a$$.

@yade5979

Ай бұрын

Simp harder somewhere else ​@Newtube_Channel

@yade5979

Ай бұрын

@Newtube_Channel you are already doing well on your own, just do it somewhere else where people will fall for it

@yade5979

Ай бұрын

@Newtube_Channel your lies? Clearly not. Unless you are dreaming. Which I'm starting to actually believe.

For me they made it worse by sending me a notice nearly doubling my renewal price. Cancelled immediately.

So what happens if have an NDA with my client, and Adobe uses my content to do something like a public tutorial with my stuff?!?! Can I be sued by my client for broking my NDA? What a mess!!! Only using Photoshop right now, for video switched to Resolve a time ago.

Boycott Adobe.

This is one reason why I only use open-source software that respects user's rights.

I tried unsubscribing and was told I have to wait until the day it expires before I can cancel, I forgot about the date and subscription was renewed for another 12 months. I WAS FURIOUS. They are absolute scum, never again.

The intellectual property robbery is more dangerous than the IA training

Adobe’s licensing was such a nightmare as an IT Manager back in 2017. I can only imagine it will get worse every passing year

@Rapscallion2009

Ай бұрын

Yup. Many, many companies effectively won't touch them. There's usually alternatives. Often free ones.

@tsm688

28 күн бұрын

@@Rapscallion2009 Adobe has a stranglehold on publishing houses for certain obscure features that nobody without insane money can support. They are part of the old boys club and possess names like pantone in their portfolio. The segment is shrinking, but there is a slice of business which really cannot leave.

Thanks for calling out this corruption!

@SashaYanshin

Ай бұрын

Not so much corruption as corporate greed here.

@GdaySport

Ай бұрын

That's not corruption. It's extreme capitalism...

@turtletom8383

Ай бұрын

​@@SashaYanshin corrupt is how they went about it and the backstabbing

@lasticonoclast

Ай бұрын

Corruption (noun): Illegal, bad, or dishonest behaviour, especially by people in positions of power. What Adobe sought to do here, i.e., taking customers' intellectual property, went beyond greed or capitalism. It was outright theft.

@sudd3660

Ай бұрын

it is not corruption at this point, it is a feature of the economy. adobe just played the game like everyone else is incentivised to also do. you have to move over to another type of economy to fix this shit.

Inkscape, GIMP, Krita, Blender, Pencil2D, Kdenlive, Shotcut, Audacity etc. exist, but people insist in remaining oblivious of those. No surprise here as people think the tools are the ones doing the job instead of the artists/designers (thus AI will replace those who think that way). The Open Source comes with the price of artists and designers actually putting a lot more work to get things done, so it seems it's more expensive than relinquish one's creative rights. Everything in a mature life will always either cost money or time, we just pick our sacrifice.

Adobe made it hell for me to cancel my subscription, they remove the option to cancel my subscription , every time I come to cancel they saying there is pending payment forcing me to pay.... ok no problem but they deliberately , after payment still not giving me the option for another day, making me forget about it till the next payment 😂