Honestly, what do you think Thrawn's stance on slavery is in the empire? A key complaint about his animated portrayal is that he seems too loyal even though we know his motivations.

I love how in the discussion, they both accepted that their views and logic were based on their own respective home galaxies and how different their peoples and histories are. That these historically divergent homes are part of the foundation of their logic on diplomacy and war. I enjoy these videos as both sides present their stances and we the viewers get to decide what to take, what to reject, what to question and even what to synth together with their own world view. Also I think Thrawn's animated stance on slavery is a little too accepting. I like to think that a man of Thrawn's character would be able to use logic to find a better way to grow Imperial might without the people paying the cost thru oppression, slavery and fear in order to help the Chiss. A logical reformer rather then a system breaker within the Empire. Tho with the likes of Sidious and Vader, it so much easier said then done.

I could listen to theses tow for hours on end great work 😎😎😎😎😎😎

These men're doing this analysis the right way; also from Palpatine's perspective, it does kind of behoove him to allow his own 'field marshals" operational freedom to work, and from Thrawn's perspective: by acting as a consumate gentleman: you get a load of a lot more resources than you ever would by being a bullying brute frankly.

If on the

“The illogic of waste. Time, lives, potential. I submit that your Empire is illogical because it cannot endure. I submit that

I'd have to give Spock the win on the debate. Mostly for pointing the flaw in Thrawn's line of thinking. For Thrawn makes the claim that "governments change and then resist the Empire." And that does happen... but within Star Wars' lore it happens because of the very policies Thrawn supports and implements. By pointing that out... Spock wins.

Honestly I think that a major statement about the galaxy’s society, a good way to follow up on that is warhammer 40k’s roboute gulliman of the imperium of man

Spock needs to be a bit louder. I can barely hear him compared to Thrawn.

Uh, regarding Vulcan history, I could easily see a similar discussion between Surak and Satask on the issue of how to respond to the dangers involved, weirdly enough, the first ruler of the Romulan Star Empire was actually Surak's college student and liked his ideas- a LOT... they simply had a similar falling out over how to respond to terrorists as these two men are dealing with.

These two are so interesting. I loved this short debate.

Picard and Rasczak. Star Trek vs Starship Troopers. Liberalism vs Libertarianism.

I love these intellectual discussions. Sometimes more preferable than a war scenario.

I would like Grand Admiral Thrawn and Brainiac to meet to discuss their philosophies, ideologies, and their views on whati s logical and what isn't.

It matters not whether a population has the stomach for war. If pushed to the brink where there is no better possible alternative, any group will fight to the bitter end if necessary. Conflict is inevitable when operating through subjugation and oppression.

The issue is Star Trek is supposed to be a very optimistic view of the future. Star Wars has no such premise for every event. When preparing for an existential threat, Thrawn's strategy and tactics work best. This is especially true because he opens with a devastating shot. This effectively illustrates resistance is futile and cooperation is the only path to life.

Video we needed to see

very good

You could actually make this a series between these two with the way they respectfully debate one another.

Star Wars: NOOOOOOOOOoooo! (followed by generations of oppression, tyranny, rebellion, war)