Framework????????? This is frameworks whole thing

@SolarDaisy

Ай бұрын

But framework does it better

@montaguebarnabasltd

Ай бұрын

Fair point! Very expensive, though. I guess I should’ve touted this as the precursor to Framework…

@sackgesicht4371

Ай бұрын

It's just USB ports. Grow up.

@adilatif8345

Ай бұрын

@@SolarDaisyno, framework laptop uses thunderbolt (I think) or usb 3 this uses pcie express

@jrr851

Ай бұрын

My Framework first gen definitely has Thunderbolt 3

A single thunderbolt port has potentially higher bandwidth that every port on that 2011 macbook combined.

@johndododoe1411

Ай бұрын

Obviously a new Expresscard slot would run at curent PCIe speed .

@GabrielRM

Ай бұрын

​@@johndododoe1411 a single PCIe 5.0 Lane is 4GB/s. Thunderbolt is 40GB/s.

@GabrielRM

Ай бұрын

​@@johndododoe1411 Thunderbolt still 10x faster. And being USB-C it has so much more possibilities including charging your device. It's better in every way.

@reignmuzeiya7432

Ай бұрын

Thank you! Simple!

@HunterLexus

Ай бұрын

It has thunderbolt too… early and late 2011 17” got the thunderbolt port before being axed

Is no one talk about that he must be the fckn hulk, he ripped the indestructible case open

@SStarlight9614

Ай бұрын

and cant forget how sharp it is😭

Nowadays USB with Thunderbolt is getting a lot more versatile.

Alot more versatile than ports these days? USB C can do all these things, especially if they are thunderbolt

@jhon-cg4rg

5 күн бұрын

Dongles

@Dan_The_Paper

Күн бұрын

They use dangly dongles while express cards are firm and versatile. I do agree that USBC thunderbolt can do a lot more

Thunderbolt is just a versatile these days, it just isn’t recessed.

@ChaosAT

Ай бұрын

usb c is more versatile

@adilatif8345

Ай бұрын

@@ChaosATnope, usb c usually uses usb 3 standard, while thunderbolt uses pcie express standard, much more faster and versatile while using usb c port 😂

@kreuner11

Ай бұрын

​@@adilatif8345usb4 is thunderbolt

@Raichu_Zed

Ай бұрын

@@ChaosATUSB C is just the 24 pin connector, what the actual cable is capable of has nothing to do with the connector. You can have a simple USB 2.0 cable that is C to C or you can have x4 PCI Express 3.0, DisplayPort, USB4 via a Thunderbolt cable. Edit literally just after I posted: “nothing to do with the connector” is inaccurate, more like little to do with the connector.

@ZonexG

Ай бұрын

@@adilatif8345thunderbolt usually uses usb c…

I miss type of modularity. You used to by able to get video capture cards, add Ethernet before it was standard, and just anout anything else.

2015 Mac book Pro user here still going strong

I feel like thunderbolt translates to any of those things just as easily. “But you need an adapter!” - so does this?! 🤣

@dishmeup

Ай бұрын

Difference is this is flush inside thr device making it a hell of alot easier to lug around in a case instead of having 5 plus dongles for each seperate need that has to be unplugged constantly when in transport and cost like 40 dollars a peice this isnt perfect but id much prefur this then whatever usb c can do just more practical for business

@scod3908

Ай бұрын

Now you have to carry a laptop + a big multiport adaptor, or half a dozen dongles...

@davidl6354

Ай бұрын

@@dishmeupsame thing you still have to carry the charge whats one more usb hub

@cemmi8957

21 күн бұрын

@@dishmeup don't you need to carry 5+ expresscards to get the same functionality as 1 thunderbolt dongle? with 5 different connectors? usb c, usb, ethernet, hdmi, sd,?

Every laptop used to have this. Nobody used it

I mean thunderbolt is a pciex4 slot in a cablex which makes it strictly better, except in formfactor.

@GabrielRM

Ай бұрын

Honestly even in formfactor IMO. Much more compact to fit in nearly all devices out there. It's not perfect but still pretty good. And it can charge devices too!

The main use was for reading SxS cards, which were common on high end broadcast cameras of the time.

This is none sense. Type-C port on modern macs is actually thunderbolt port And there is more than one of them. You can connect everything to those ports, and they’re far more versatile and compact

@jumbojimbo706

Ай бұрын

How you connecting Ethernet to a type c

@leocompany

Ай бұрын

With a dongle? ​@@jumbojimbo706

@TransSwissCat

Ай бұрын

Trough an adapter ? Its gona be less annoying to transport to anyway and can be used on many other devices. (RJ45 to USB-C or USB A exist, I have one for my old laptop...) ​@@jumbojimbo706

@warup89

Ай бұрын

@@jumbojimbo706usb-c to ethernet adapter

@SupertCZ

Ай бұрын

@@jumbojimbo706using ethernet to usb c dongle? Duh?

My Lenovo Thinkpad X220 from 2011 also gets to enjoy almost USB 3.1 speeds via the 3x USB-A ExpressCard that I've put into it that only cost $20 USD.

For the people arguing that thunderbolt is better, I feel like they're missing the point, here whatever you want to add in is recessed and becomes a part of the laptop, as opposed to having to bring around a bunch of accessories.

ExpressCard was the successor to PCMCIA, which was in basically every laptop in its era.

“This port is most versatile” the thunderbolt 4 usb c port, my good sir can do all that and much more SIMULTANEOUSLY

since it's effectively a pci-e 1x connection, you can get an adapter to let you make your own e-gpu

I had a really cool multi-card reader in mine that could read both SD cards and Sony cards with a single slot.

True, you can also plus an eGPU thanks to the express card.

Puttin' on the Ritz as background music tho very nice

We’re bringing back memories with this song!

Miniature PCI express! I think there was even graphics cards or at least dangles that broke out to graphics cards Port hole PCIE. We might've had a bunch of different ports in the dark ages but you could do a lot of things with them. Like firewire could be used for printers scanners drives cameras many other things and sometimes all the same time if the manufacturers were smart in their design.

A lot of the cards have become built-in features or no longer required. Also having only one back then meant you had to prioritise its usage. It did offer options back in the day however.

Thunderbolt ports on modern Mac’s are like a better version of this With the correct adapter (which this also requires the adapter) they can become anything But thunderbolt 3 and 4 allows for 1 cable desk setups including charging

Thanks for the interesting info man!

Thunderbolt is basically the same thing. Small form factor PCIe.

Fun fact: Expresscard can also be used to connect an external GPU

@techmad8204

13 күн бұрын

even thunderbolt can

Looks like a slimmed down version of a PCMCIA card.

@imark7777777

19 күн бұрын

PCMCIA PC cards were basically PCI. and express card was the PCIE variant that was hopefully going to be a successor.

Laptops evolved backwards

Wait that's what its used for? I've had my thinkpad for years and never knew what it was! This is really cool

@imark7777777

19 күн бұрын

That in lies the problem and why manufacturers started taking them away. It was an extra connector that nobody was using except for a few.

It's PCIe lanes. Same as thunderbolt. You can use pcie devices over usb c

It’s not more versatile than the thunderbolt ports / USB C you showed on the Mac. Ethernet and cable and everything else can be connected. Do you need a dongle? Yes but I could make the same point saying you needed to buy an extra express card too.

@Funkteon

Ай бұрын

The ExpressCard preserves a level of flushness with the laptop's body, meaning you don't need an ugly dongle hanging out of your machine...

@NeiradTheGoat

Ай бұрын

Oh really? What about the Ethernet adapter? Or the 3G adapter? Or the VGA port? Or the better sound card Or the host of USB hubs? (This is one USB 3 port. So it works like those of framework and is the best case scenario just like a usb reader) All of them have one thing in common. They hang out of the frame like an antenna on an old Nokia phone. Just like a dongle. Just without the practicality of thunderbolt.

@meair

Ай бұрын

@@Funkteoni don’t see the issue? when I need to use my laptop it’s often on a table, not being cradled in one arm

@NeiradTheGoat

Ай бұрын

@@meair So why does a dongle bother you?

This port should have a modern version

@MtFoxt

Ай бұрын

Framework

@adilatif8345

Ай бұрын

@@MtFoxt that's way worse.

Thunderbolt/USB4 is a direct successor to expresscard and is more versatile since it’s literally just a cable.

ah yes, definitely more versatile than thunderbolt, yep

I have an sd adapter for my 2008, pretty good

Shows how good Mac's were back then.

I'll take an SD card reader and Thunderbolt on newer machines honestly. As cool as this is, it couldn't have been very well utilized or popular, and I've never once seen a card like that. I'm sure it was great for road warriors in the late 2000s though.

I wish Macs would allow e sims for data.

Putting on the Ritz instrumental

My experience with one of those cards was that I put it in my bag and the end broke off. So Iearned that you have to pull those out before they go in the bag. Nevertheless I never bought another PCMCIA card again and I don’t miss them. Type C and Type C Thunderbolt do everything now anyway.

"really professional" I think some regular non bottom of the barrel ones had it, you can use it to plug in an IGPU actually

The laptops in my highschool have 2 of those

Oh yeah, I do remember that my old MacBook Pro I still have has it

Framework is more Versatile

I had the only 15" with Expresscard/34 (i never actually used it) and never realized that usb3 existed for it! Makes me wonder if a WiFi-AX card (i guess intel although I'd nees opencore legacy patcher to use it) for expresscard existed

My guy has never heard of HP elitebook

The solution was always there, they just didn't want us to have it

But only the 17" ones as far as I remember

It's like framework laptops but before framework.

We have thunderbolt now..

Whatever this one did in the past, thunderbolt can do and more!

You can do all this and more nowadays and without buying expensive accessories. I mean you can watch live tv online for free

Thunderbolt is better, can do everything and more than that without using that much space inside the laptop

That port can be used to add a GPU when docked too.

Yeah, I'm sure it's better than a thunderbolt port mate. 😂

Only Macbooks have this port... as well as almost every other laptop laptop from 2003 to 2015. It is called an pressCard and there are a few variants. My ProBook 6360 that I daily drive has a 3 port USB 3.0 expansion card in it. Compaq 615 and 610 have it Toshiba A300 has it Any ProBook and EliteBook from the era has it HP 6720s 6730s 6830s 6735b all have it Every HP nc and nx had the port. As well as many other laptops that I do not own.

ExpressCard/34 was a PCIE bus Extender capable and it was replaced by Thunderbolt and the form factor was just a narrower PCMCIA card style that was from the 90's it was Apple trying to show off Intel tech as there own.

This is not about port speed. Of course today they would put a thunderbolt port or something similar. This is about how Apple over time discarded really revolutionary ideas for the "revolutionary" opening of laptops with one finger or the obsession with fingerprints. A laptop is a tool for God's sake, what is important is performance, upgradeability and a sufficient number of different ports that will satisfy the different needs of consumers.

"Only MacBook's from 2006 to 2011 have this port" I have a 15" MacBook Pro 2010 and it does NOT have this port. Wiki says Apple offered it on the MacBook Pro 2006 to 2011 on the 17 inch models. The 15 inch models only got it to 2008 (these have the SD card slot starting in 2009)

"Especially from apple"😂😂😂

What I thought was odd, was the 2012 MacBook did not have a blu ray drive for the price. Same for I Macs. Then the super drive from apple does not support blu ray. Whats more annoying. Is the lack of an SD card slot unless it’s a pro. That should not have gone away, then came back as a pro only feature. Or magsafe came back, to have 2 usb c ports on the air models. Apple seems to be all over the place.

Some thinkpads still have those today

My 2012 mbp 15” has this port…

@montaguebarnabasltd

Ай бұрын

It doesn’t.

@de4ek

Ай бұрын

Well damn. This old ass thing is even older than I thought. 😬 had it for like 4 years now thinking it was a 2012. 😑 I coulda sworn it was… I think they’re using that atom smasher thing again. Stuff… keeps being just slightly off more and more. That or I’m loosing my mind. Both? Idk. But I have an ooold ass Mac. 🫠 and now I know exactly how old. 🤦🏼‍♂️

My laptop doesn't have that, but it does have a smar card reader and i'm gonna see if there's a Wikipedia article on it

my thunkpad p50 also has one

Well well well, i have a macbook pro 2010 and guess what, it doesn't have that weird slot thingy

They should have kept that

Apple crap will always be crap. BUT, you got a shiny logo for all that money!

Usb-C? omg 2010 macbook officialy has more ports than the latest.

My dell also got it

Sure. But most of those extra cards need specific drivers. Not made for macs

Bro we’ve had expansion slots on computers since the first personal computer. All laptops used to have them until we started getting obsessed with making as thin a laptop as we could

oculink and USBC PCIe pass through exist

Old samsung laptop has got this port as well😂

Now all these can be connected via usb

If apple brings this back it could kill framework 💀

3G is gone where I live (same for gsm)

@404invalid-user

Ай бұрын

Same sucks that these are useless now

i have a 2012 mac book pro dang

customize?! apple of today: "NO! just buy a new one!"

More versatile than USB-C?

Early oculink?? Early Xbox storage expansion?? Framework??

In no way is that mort more versatile than USB-4 lol

Lmao more versatile than a simple USB C Thunderbolt port? What a joke

Quando facevano ancora compiter seri.

I mean usb4 is pretty verasatile, but i guess you cant really integrate things into the laptop with it.

Oh yeah, I hate how not versatile USB-C is 😂

How is it more versatile than a thunderbolt port?

We should bring it back

@leocompany

Ай бұрын

Why should we? It got replaced by thunderbolt which is faster and more versatile. It also is able to transport pcie x4

@Geologem

Ай бұрын

@@leocompany bro got upset

@BK_PLAYZ

Ай бұрын

Fully changeable ports on every laptop and pc

@Coldsteak

Ай бұрын

@@Geologembro was just correct

WHERE Can I Find These Expansion Card In 2024?

How is it more useful than Thunderbolt 4?!?!

So just give the dongle a place to live inside huh?

So, thunderbolt but worse?

Thunderbolt...

Dog thunderbolt usb 4...😅

Framework laptop's grand daddy

i’m confused about the “especially from the likes of apple” part, macbooks have basically what every other laptop manufacturer are putting on their devices. do you want a disc drive or something ??

It's amazing how far we've regressed.

Mine doesn’t have it while is from 2009