New TMNT Shredder's Revenge video: Damage Values kzread.info/dash/bejne/enZ7tchwf9a0n6g.html

@DigiEggz

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the resources! I've been wanting to dig into this for a bit now.

This is such useful info! I love how Shredder's Revenge has finally differentiated all the TMNT characters to a meaningful degree without making any one of them OP or weak.

@JusRed48

2 жыл бұрын

Leo is weak tbh, but the game isn't really about who's strongest so much as it's about styling with the character of your choice.

@DragoonCenten

2 жыл бұрын

I think Donatello kinda sucks but April is my favorite so take that as you will.

@danielpayne1597

2 жыл бұрын

@@DragoonCenten I mean, to each their own playstyle. I don't think Don is bad at all. He's always been my main in every TMNT game and I've played all the characters here. The low speed only impacts his walking speed and attack animation duration, and his optimal range means that you're still hitting enemies around the same time and killing them around the same time as other characters. His standard super is the best in the game (along with Raph's I would argue). I only ever found his speed to be a challenge in the later stages of the game on my 1st playthrough, and now that I'm better at the game that's not even a problem now.

@DragoonCenten

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielpayne1597 it seems that when you are being swarmed and you dont have meter you're not gonna make it out as easy as the other faster characters, sure he is great at his optimal range but when all the other characters dont have to worry about being optimal he doesnt seem worth the trouble. Plus his moves arent as saucy.

@danielpayne1597

2 жыл бұрын

@@DragoonCenten I'll agree that Don has the least number of unique / utility moves, wish that wasn't the case because his bo staff really should allow for more flexibility. But when swarmed all you gotta do is is either a charged swing to wipe a bunch at once or rising attack, easy out. It's not that great a challenge for Don. He can also dash attack elbow bash enemies in a chain and his slide and aerial drop both hit twice, making meter less of a problem than it would be.

You'd think for a move called a "homerun swing", Casey, the guy with multiple different sports tools in his pack, would use a _baseball bat._

@FemoDOGG

11 ай бұрын

What a stupid gripe lmfao

@technicalgamero9701

10 ай бұрын

Now that's some great observation👍

Training Arena is something they should really add in the future. The game might lack the depth of Streets of Rage 4, but would still be useful. Great video, by the way! Very enlightening!

I've been looking for something going into more detail about all of the differences between characters. This is incredibly helpful and really exciting, as it shows even further just how much work went into making everyone unique despite everyone having the same "moves".

Michelangelo's jump-spin attack is broken in a good way.

April's flying super can be cancelled into her rising attack, and she'll continue the barrage if she move towards another foot soldier at the end of the first one. But that one has to be alive.

@LordZeroTheNightmare

2 жыл бұрын

i noticed this too, was an absolute beating to behold lol

Hopefully, if we can also add the data for each character's attack damage, we can make a more accurate rating for every stat. I think a 3-star rating system is too limited, for example with Casey having 3 stars in Range when he clearly doesn't have as much range as Donny.

@danielpayne1597

2 жыл бұрын

He only matches Don's range with his rising attack thanks to the hockey stick, but you're right.

@aradraugfea6755

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's that he doesn't CONSISTENTLY have the range of Donny. Any attack where he's pulling his weapons out, he reaches, but unlike some of the cast, only some of his attacks use the weapons.

After hearing the announcement that each character would function slightly differently, I was surprised to see that there wasn't an in-game training mode. Perhaps they'll add one in eventually.

@k1n63d

2 жыл бұрын

I sure hope not.

@catisreckless4647

2 жыл бұрын

@@k1n63d So edgy, such angst.

@k1n63d

2 жыл бұрын

@@catisreckless4647 Don't use words you don't understand.

@danielmelvin4525

Жыл бұрын

They have their own move sets, but it’s all the same buttons to do the moves. They all have a different air attack performed using the same buttons. The beginning of the game has a guide to all the variety of moves.

@k1n63d

Жыл бұрын

@@danielmelvin4525 👏👏👏👏

I love how Raph and casey share so many similarities, they're both brawlers

@donnyj4418

Жыл бұрын

unfortunately Range is not one of them lol

April hands down the best juggler. My personal favorite to play as well. Her special isn’t the best, but I only use it to keep the juggling streak going.

8:28 I love Leo’s fighting sound when he throws an enemy

Dude.....i was waiting for someone to do this, thank you so much man.

I love this game. The fact that the characters are notably different, but unlike fighting games nobody can agree who is OP, just shows how balanced it is. For my play style, Casey is the absolute GOAT

@gepetodelamorte8149

2 жыл бұрын

Somebody will soon comment the "true" best character ;)

@danielpayne1597

2 жыл бұрын

I agree! Every character is excellent. Wish a few had more unique attack options--Splinter having a unique aerial would be nice in addition to the best Flying Attack and Leo's Flying Attack being a samurai-style slash-through that zips him across the screen woulda been cool--but can't really complain, every character brings something fresh to the table! I've gotten almost the whole cast to Lv 10.

@dreamcastdazia4753

2 жыл бұрын

Mikey is clearly the best

@jacobw606

2 жыл бұрын

Tie between Mikey and April for best character.

@therealharshlycritical

2 жыл бұрын

april op af

I love the subtle differences between characters. At first they all seem pretty similar, but my first time playing as Casey made me notice how different they are.

OMG, finally. I was looking for this! And great work too. Thank you.

There he goes with the footwork again. I remember a PS turtles game, where Mike could glide-spam-attack and just says: ''EAT FEET EAT FEET EAT FEET''

@danielpayne1597

2 жыл бұрын

Immediately what I thought of when I learned of Mikey's buggy landing allowing him to loop his stompies in SR. He's back to his old ways! XD

Amazing game. Simple, fun, nostalgic, not boring.

@Ganonussyszestygorillagrip

Жыл бұрын

Different if you play it repetitively

Very instructive, I was too lazy to compare it all myself. Thx for sharing.

Thanks for sharing this! Very useful and now I'm loving the game even more.

This is some really amazing stuff. Keep up the good work!

The one thing I was hoping they would add is a training stage. I thought it was pretty cool that Streets of Rage 4 included one.

I've been waiting for this since day 1! Thank you!

Awesome breakdown! Couple things I didn't see mentioned: - Donatello's basic combo has one back hitbox on the 3rd (I think) hit. - Raph (maybe Casey's) throws make huge hitboxes throughout the animation that makes them great for crowd control. I'm also fairly certain that enemies hit by the suplex get two damage, whereas other character throws do one. - super armor on throws and charge attacks (most people know this but it is more useful for some characters than others). - Attack strength: Each base foot soldier has 4 health but some characters like Splinter only need 3 hits to do 4 damage. There's more to dive into on this I'm sure but the Splinter combo is the most obvious one. - I believe Donatello's charge attacks does three damage, while everyone else's does two. However, since Leo has two hits it's possible to get a three-hp hit from his as well (first hit = 2, second hit = 1)

@mymusikrawks

2 жыл бұрын

My two cents: of the Turtles I really do think Leo is the most all-rounder (go figure!) with good damage, somersault, and double hit charge attack. Mobility on Raph and April's specials can't be overstated how dominating it is! Splinter is solid if you want a beefy tank-like character with huge special hitboxes. Mikey is the easiest and most fun to combo IMHO, he's very similar to Cherry from SoR4 in that way. Really fun game with lots of subtleties!

@Greenalink

2 жыл бұрын

I'm working on damage analysis next since this one had a bigger focus on the property of the move such as knockback strength, number of hits, etc. I can confirm that Splinter's full combo attack is by far the strongest out of the playable cast.

@Greenalink

2 жыл бұрын

@@donutsama285 Casey's full combo is as strong as Leo, Raph and Donnie. Still stronger than both Mikey and April.

@Greenalink

2 жыл бұрын

@@donutsama285 Yes, Casey's 3rd attack counts as x2 1 dmg hit. So before his final attack, he has already dealt 4 dmg points. Same with Splinter's karate chop from his 3rd attack which also dishes out 2 dmg points.

Really good and informative video, great work.

I learned a lot about these characters. Thanks a lot.

loving the game, enjoying learning each character. matchmaker is pretty good. lots of fun to play with a team

Awesome info dude , cheers. Love the game

the most comprehensive video on shredder's revenge.

Well done highly technical video!

This made me more interested in the game seeing the differences and strengths and weaknesses

this video is like the martial arts download scene in the matrix. great stuff!

Holy frig I think I saw you in a steam forum actually helping out someone. Definitely earned a sub from me

I was afraid this game was a button mash - beat em’ up but WOW there are a lot of moves

@johnmarstall

2 жыл бұрын

Performing a dodge followed up by a flying attack is very satisfying (and useful!).

Thanks very much for putting this all together! Definitely makes me way more interested in April than I was before. I wish the team-up attacks gave bonus meter, would incentivize players doing them in multiplayer instead of everyone spamming the same Taunt lines so much.

Excellent video thanks dude

This comment section is so wholesome and positive, great stuff

@Greenalink

Жыл бұрын

There were a few scrubquote material comments when the video gained a lot of attention in early July but it since then, the comments were mostly good.

Splinter's flying super is amazing. After I discovered how powerful it is, he became my go-to character to play with.

This game did so many things CORRECT!i!i! It is a fun game to be able to chill with your friends for a few hours and bash around on. There should be more games like this I feel, Bring back some of the classics like Simpsons, Gauntlet etc... Game you can chill with your friends on the couch playing just waiting for the pizza to arrive...

@Jeffxm003

2 жыл бұрын

A new X-men game would be legit

@rabbitcreative

Жыл бұрын

The vegan pizza.

Michelangelo can just do three hits of his basic attacks, this causes a ground bounce and can be looped with walls

THIS... is exactly what I was looking for.

Amazing video!!

This is awesome thanks

Great research!

April and Casey's giant heads are so distracting... still love this game tho. Thanks for the deep mechanical dive!

Howdy! During my gameplays, I've noticed an attack where the fighters here can launch other fighters into a sort of fireball move?? I am not exactly sure how to execute but it does happen almost randomly to me. Like an example Splinter pushed Mikey into a sort of dashing orb attack? I swear its a real move lol. Its happened for sure at least more than 5 times in my playthroughs with groups of people.

@vivibm

2 жыл бұрын

I've had the same thing happen and have no clue what causes it. It's happened randomly when playing with friends anywhere from 2 to 4 players. I never get a chance to get a good look at it either cuz it happens so fast. It's exactly how you described it, almost like one character chucks the other character as a fireball of sorts. Tried looking through all the tutorial for moves and there's nothing that indicates this interaction at all.

@gtprospectr5164

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Mickey thrown as a fireball across the length of the screen. I was don.

@joedelafro4629

2 жыл бұрын

When one character does a dive kick into another character. If the second character hits attack at right timing you get the fireball move. Wish there were more things like this in there.

Maybe they should have gave an extra life to michael angel after jumping on seven enemies.

This is amazing

This game was such a treat to play. It's extremely short with only like 16 levels but man it's so much fun

@JamMastaMax

2 жыл бұрын

Do it on hard difficulty. It’s a long ride.

@kaams224

Жыл бұрын

@@JamMastaMax Not if u play in multiplayer tho

I love how geeky the internet can be. this wonderful vid is a great example

Donnie's Ground Super has a longer animation as he continues to spin his Bo even after the purple flash is over unlike Casey or the others, doesn't that mean he can still deal damage to enemies a couple of seconds longer than the rest of the cast?

@Greenalink

2 жыл бұрын

I will have a look at that later this week when producing my next TMNT video.

Super helpful!

The ost goes hard

Loved for the Same property different animation pose he let Mikey Cook lol juggled the hell out of that foot soldier

Thank you for this. For my play style I prefer Mikey. I am a juggle god every time I play with him

I was wondering where did the reference to R. Mika went. The game is amazing and now i understand why April sometimes flies through enemies instead of doing the multi hit combo. Also it seems like the range of the Dive Super activation contributes to whether or not Raphael does the triple hit. I've never done it before because i'm usually far away but now i want to go try it.

KZread recommendations understands me better than myself...

Really enjoyed this game. I hope we get DLC for it eventually. Cowabunga Collection, coming soon!

very nice!!

I don't know why I watched this but the sprite/animation work is pretty good.

Nicely done. You forgot the fireball team attack when you divekick into your teammate and they attack at the same time

@Greenalink

2 жыл бұрын

I didn't forgot, please read the description.

rip aprils back attack, an attack so strong they had to remove it from the game.

@drugon

2 жыл бұрын

Lol. Actually you can put it back. There is a mod on Nexus for it.

@macekarlyn2632

2 жыл бұрын

Of all the stupid things to cry about... so lame.

@mkayrose6070

2 жыл бұрын

@@macekarlyn2632 Yep, knee attack is cooler imo.

@MrAllBlack015

2 жыл бұрын

@@macekarlyn2632 except nobody's crying about it.

@macekarlyn2632

2 жыл бұрын

​@@MrAllBlack015 Yeah right, bunch of sick freaks were complaining about it being removed.

Thank you~

THIS IS WONDERFUL WORK. Bravo. Also, training level mod link?

Dash attack cancel during combos, makes it op with whoever you use

12:05 your avarage 6 players scene before a boss battle

Do you know if there's armor or i frames on Leo's somersault slice because I feel like I can spam it and never get punished. Otherwise, great list. I really find Raph quite overpowered as his piss range is excused since his stupid fast taunt he can just spam special slams that eliminate his range weakness.

"Here's our chance!" "We~ll, done." You both missed! :D

Raphael is top tier.

@xRocketzFighterx

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure Splinter was taking it easy, if he really wanted to he can become god tier lol.

@maximum_hedro0m136

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like he is in every turtle game

@mkayrose6070

2 жыл бұрын

@@maximum_hedro0m136 He's really good in the old games imo but pretty difficult for first timers (tas players shown hes the best for speed runs). He's much more accessible for all players here.

@shrimpbaby7919

2 жыл бұрын

I originally thought that Donnie was the best in the game after playing campaign on Gnarly difficulty. But after going to arcade mode on the same difficulty, I had changed my mind. I think range isn't really all that helpful, because enemies start to use projectiles later in the game, as well as charging attacks that keep you on your toes. I think I might have thought Donnie was the best because you could spam his super in the campaign mode, due to having multiple bars to use said supers. Now I think Splinter and Raphael are the top 2 best characters in the game. Splinter has decent range, a 5 hit combo that pops enemies in the air for follow ups, and the best flying super in the entire game. It's amazing that it's one the most deadly supers in the game AND it's a disjointed hitbox. Raphael has great running speed and attack speed. I also think his sliding attack is the best in the game due to it's range, combined with Rachel's speed. His normal super is also very versatile since you can move it around and increase it's speed by running (I found thay out because to this video ) and he has the fastest taunt in the game, which is very useful for boss fights ( again, I found this info from this video). So yes, I agree that Raphael is absolutely a top tier character.

they need to remake tmnt tournament fighters!

Can't wait to main April

April's sandwich move had to be nerfed because she's too THICC.

Mike has the best jump torpedo

*shows Aprils cake as a effective weapon at the end*

2:53 Casey Jones, dropping them bow’s.

They should make a Tournament Fighters add on mode.

Leo's run attack is from Hyperstone Heist and the slice attacks that are not Leo's are also that. This game barrows a lot of meat from that game (which is good)

@alexmendez3681

11 ай бұрын

It’s crazy to think how well made the older games were. Konami was ahead of it’s time when it came to creating video games.

Casey has an easy corner infinite combo. Just do the first two hits of his combo and pause and two hit again, repeat. Example, 1,2, pause, 1,2, pause, 1,2, pause.

Nice

Casey and Donny's special attack can hit 6 times on the same target.

It has that modern pixel-art look

Any chance you can look deeper into Casey's stats? His stat total equals 7 instead of 6 like the rest of the roster. SInce Casey & Donnie are both range types, Casey has better stats than Donatello. When compared to speed types like April & Mikey they each have a extra stat that the other lacks. Casey's range definitely isn't 3 at least when compared to Donnie's attacks. But I've noticed Casey's Rising & Diving attack synch up great and has good coverage. Sometimes I don't expect these hits to connect but it does. His Ground Super attacks definitely have similar range to Donnie. I'm guessing Casey was given a range stat of 3 to avoid having balanced stats like Leonardo. I want to say that Casey's stats should be Range 2.5, Speed 1.5 & Power 2. His attack speed allows him to rapid jab and combo but his rolling is more like a big step sometimes. Not sure if his speed is really at 2. His combo range extends with his hockey stick but only partially. If all of his attacks always had his Hockey Stick out like Donnie's bo staff, then I can see his range being 3. Giving him a 2.5 range sounds like a compromise.

@danielpayne1597

2 жыл бұрын

Casey's listed stats exceed everybody's, but what isn't shown is that he has the gimpiest dodge / backflip. It doesn't really hold him back or anything, but if you're looking to flip around foes, other characters do that way better. Agreed on Casey's range varying by attack type, really it's just his rising attack that matches Don's range.

Hey thanks again for the video, but i have a couple of questions if you don't mind. For an arcade gnarly run with 2 people, who do you recommend? We were thinking Raph and Splinter but im sure you know better. Another one, does damage impact every hit the character does or only some? Asking because i thought Raph's and Slpinter's super dive was the strongest, but you said damage output is the same for everyone for the super dive. Does speed really matter outside of walk speed? Like better startup for attacks or something like that. Thanks hope you don't mind the 200 word essay, its just that you seem like the right person to ask this questions, have a great day.

@Greenalink

2 жыл бұрын

Super Dive is an odd one. When testing against Final Krang, he took the exact same amount of damage, regardless of character.

@danielpayne1597

2 жыл бұрын

All characters can kill Foot Soldiers with a standard 4-hit combo. However, some characters have specific moves that do more or less damage. Raph's standard super does 25% more damage than Mikey's. All aerial supers do the same damage, as Greenalink pointed out. April & Mikey's dash attacks do less damage, taking two hits to kill Mousers. April's standard super doesn't do as much damage as others per hit, but you can crank out more damage by hitting with the spinning mic more times. So Power doesn't impact every move a character has, only certain moves as far as KOing enemies goes. As far as raw damage on a boss goes, I haven't seen a video yet showcasing that to confirm that every character's attacks do the same damage, so I can't confirm that at this time.

@Greenalink

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielpayne1597 After seeing this video getting a lot more attention than expected, I am working out damage values and eventually produce a video. The Auto Combo from Mikey/April/Raph (triple hit) Flying Super Attacks will be tough to figure out exact values.

@danielpayne1597

2 жыл бұрын

@@Greenalink That's awesome! I appreciate the work you put into this video and into the ones you're making. Really looking forward to learning how much damage every type of attack can do. One thing I want to ask about -- Don's Flying Super sometimes hits just once, but I have seen it seemingly do a multi hit before. *edit* just rewatched the vid, apparently it happens against Foot Soldiers. Any other enemies it happens with? Mousers?

Having trouble doing dash attack loops with leo and casey, how do you typically continue them after wall bounce? They tend to go too far

Whenever I play this Michelangelo is def the king of the air. With that spinning jump, and of course walking across the screen on top of foot soldiers heads. Any ground enemy like mousers or air enemy can be taken out easily and without energy loss by spamming the air attacks with mike.

I wonder how Usagi and other DLC will compare.

What follow ups can you do off of the 4th hit combo launcher and is there gonna be a training mode update?

There is two types of combos you ca perform. One without pushing a direction. And one holding left or right direction. Still a useful video.

@Greenalink

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, only on the first attack that applies, the other 3 attacks remain identical.

Donatello have the best dash attack in racking up combo. I just have Cowabunga achievement using him.

I like that if you do the air spin attack as Leo and hold down attack during the dive then release the attack just as you land you follow up with a heavy attack. Which is great for diving into a group given Leo’s heavy attacks both sides. This is because you can charge a heavy attack in the air but because Leo’s downward attack keeps him in the air for a bit longer (I think) it makes it easier to charge since the move can apparently be charged through the downward spin attack.

I also wanna say Michelangelo has huge range on this jumping special and other characters don’t.

Splinter’s Flying Special chews through bosses

With all of that said, who is your favorite character?

I always sing the "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" part during the stage finish tune

After seeing this, i can see why ppl think raph is very high on the tier list, and don could be very low.

Mike and April are the only ones I noticed who had fun multiple hit attacks that are fun to chain together. Everyone else is pretty much the same.

I own the mobile version of the game, so I cannot speak about Usagi and Karai. I can only speak about the seven characters that come with the base game; this is how I stack them: 1) Raph 2) Mikey 3) Casey 4) Leo 5) April 6) Donnie 7) Splinter

This is a great breakdown. could you do an analysis of the amount of players who get salty, and leave games when you are carrying the whole team... or walk backwards to lock people in game. or the amount of people that progress a fake game to 6-7% and leave it there so it bates people into joining and wasting time.

It's called a homerun swing but Casey doesn't even use a bat

You missed the friendly homerun swing! The one where you jump kick into an other player. Great video though!

@Greenalink

2 жыл бұрын

That's Tubular Spin not Homerun Swing.

@KAD0TA

2 жыл бұрын

@@Greenalinkoh ok. Are there no variants with that move?

@Greenalink

2 жыл бұрын

@@KAD0TA No special variants, they all do the same thing.