As a mechanical/electrical tradesman I cringe at the misinformation on KZread, thankfully we have professionals like you to keep people on the straight and narrow. Thank you for a truly excellent video on common sense bedding principles and pointing out basic engineering practices

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Colin, Cheers

@secretsquirrel6308

2 жыл бұрын

What you say applies also to professionals. I watched a very popular gun channel demonstrate how to disassemble and assemble a pistol. I own that exact model. The gun would jam if following his advice. After watching the video several times I noticed he did a clever editing at the precise step which would cause the jam.

Thanks Mark now I understand what bedding a rifle is and how to go about it the correct way appreciate all you and Sam do for us viewers mate cheers Yogi 🤙🤙🇦🇺

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Yogi, glad you liked

Excellent discussion. Especially about factory actions and chassis. Cheers!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Man, thanks

Cracking advice, studs are a great idea.

@markandsamafterwork

4 ай бұрын

Cheers

Epoxy where it doesn’t belong is a nightmare to remove. Good advice as always Mark.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, thanks Brian

As always, good, solid info. Cheers from Utah, USA, Mark n Sam!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stuart

Very, very good. I enlarge the studs with tape to be snug in the holes for alignment. I use vinyl electrician's tape, lots of it, to clamp it in. Dirt cheap, nice and tight but not too tight. Great information.

@markandsamafterwork

Ай бұрын

Thanks Man

Thanks Mark….very helpful 👍

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Absolutely right-on! Great presentation Mark.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks John

So glad I found your channel, Thanks for all your great advise. I am becoming a better shooter because of you !

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, Cheers

I now understand bedding like never before. Awesome advice all ways comes from you

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rod

This is the way I learned to do it, following Brownell's method. I haven't bedded a riffle in a while, it brought back how to do it again.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Great advice as ever. I recall seeing videos with the errors that you refer to. Hopefully some actions are saved expensive follow up work after this video.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Medwyn, cheers

Thanks heaps Mark, you are so right . Every video I have watched regards this subject shows the torqueing of bedding screws. I will be attempting this bedding process for the first time and am so glad we have people like yourself not just with the knowledge but also prepared to part with it. Thanks again and cheers for sharing.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Trent, Cheers

As a gunsmith I am so glad you did you this video. I follow the same advice you giving and use bedding bolts (what I call them). I have had to clean up a few bad bedding jobs over the years. I cringe at alot of these videos on You Tube with people not clamping at all or the other extreme of torquing it all down. I prefer Acraglass from Brownells, it is very forgiving alot of working time and when mixed properly it is a great product. I have also seen people not taping their barrel and losing their free float or putting so much tape that they now coule park a truck under the barrel. This video is great.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

Good advice. I would tell people to do more planning than they expect, mask off areas to get clean lines in the bedding if visible, use release compound everywhere you don't want the bedding to stick and use clay dams to stop the bedding from getting where you don't want it. Also, tell people how to bed their scope rails. Most good rails are machined pretty straight but those factory actions can be a real mess so bedding the rail to the action in a stress free position will keep your rings aligned and reduce the stress in your scope. You can even angle bed it to get additional "free" elevation from your scope if you want to try ELR without all the specialized gadgets. I roughed up the bottom of the rail I bedded and used a set screw to hold the elevation of my angle bedding, then I bedded the back first, let it harden and then went back to do the front. After some cleanup the bedding is beautiful, no stray material, no voids. You might not even notice it if you are not looking for it and most importantly it bolts on stress free. Most custom actions wouldn't need scope rail bedding but a Leupold rail on a Savage action seemed like a good application for scope rail bedding for me.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Joe

Great idea. I hear it takes a very smart individual to concoct an ingenious idea. I hope some actions are saved by this great advice and great video as always!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Very well explained. You certainly know what you are doing. Excellent video as always

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dave

Great and properly explained process bedding video. I have bedded all my custom rifles using the same stud process and they all have worked perfectly well. I use spacers at the floor plate area and give it a controlled tightening to avoid the same issues you explained. There is a video by AllTerra arms on their website and they show in details how they bed their actions. Those guys do it the right way, after all their rifles start at around $ 6,000 US and above. Thanks for proper education for those who think they know how to bed rifle.

@markandsamafterwork

11 ай бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

Good stuff like always, thank you two!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

Thanks for the great insight into bedding jobs. I’ve done half a dozen of my own rifles over the years with good results. Your thoughts are definitely food for thought in fine tuning my methods. You have a couple of ideas that may give me that extra bit of perfection. Thanks for that. Cheers.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Allen

Great information, really appreciate how you show the easy way and the problems that occur IF YOU DO IT THE WRONG WAY.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Travis

Thank you! Been considering bedding my 25+ year old Remington 700 in its new stock. Glad I watched this first.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, thanks man, Cheers

Hey Mark. Very interesting and helpful information. Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts on how to do this, it makes a lot of sense. Would probably never have thought of it otherwise. 👍🏻

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

cheers Paul

Nice video! I totally agree. I have sets of headless action screws that I use just to locate the action into the stock. Then I wrap surgical tubing around the action to hold it in place while bedding is curing.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Great advice Mark, I'm about to do a bedding job and thankfully ordered up inletting guide screws for doing the job.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Mark your talking very common sence as always I love the stud and grease idea to protect the thread pockets. Brilliant video once again. Thanks for sharing your expertise with us all.Thumbs up sir

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Toby

Now you have me thinking about the first rifle I bedded over 30 years ago. I guess it will be fine if I never try to remove the barrel! 🤣 Good video as usual Mark.👍

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Duggy

Hey Mark you really help us all... I am about to attempt my first DIY bedding and was thinking about how to avoid compound getting into the screw holes. Your solution is excellent. Also I thought tightening would be beneficial but I can see how neutrality is preferred rather than bedding to the stock with preloaded strains in the material from torquing the screws. Thank you for the education!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Trev

@unclebob540i3

2 жыл бұрын

Rubber tubing or surgical tubing as it's often called works well for that.

Exceptional video. I have used the stud method and am now assured I was doing the right thing! Thanks much.

@markandsamafterwork

4 ай бұрын

Thanks man, cheers

As someone about to do my gun this way, I really appreciate the advice.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Thank Mark. As always, a wealth of valuable information.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Jeff

@Jeff_Seely

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers brother!

Thanks again mate.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Eka

Very informative.

@markandsamafterwork

3 ай бұрын

Cheers

Brilliant! Thanks Mark. Cheers

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers bob

More great information. Thanks Mark.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dave

Thank you for the info.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Thank you. Well explained and clarified to demystify. I'm going in .

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Dave

Thank you.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers

You may scoff now: I bed my scope base and rings for the same reasons you bed the action. There's a wee bit of slop in there. If you've ever pulled a scope and seen uneven wear points you know what I'm talking about. That abrasion only happens when things move. Great video as always. Thanks!!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Yes with some equipment sure helps, Cheers

@wm.traynor1143

2 жыл бұрын

So do I. You don't want any bends in your scope tube!👍

Excellent Information Mark!! An Ounce of Preparation is Worth a Pound of Cure :-))

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

yep, thanks Mark

Great information Mark. Love your channel

@markandsamafterwork

11 ай бұрын

Cheers

That's how I did mine a few years ago. Was interesting how it brought my shots down about 1 MOA after having a more solid bedding.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Mike

I have always used your method, and for the same reasons. If the barrel is a fairly light one, masking tape will hold it all together while the epoxy sets. The last one I did was a 26" very heavy barrel (308) on a Howa action in a laminated wood stock... a long range target rifle.... Those clever soft jawed friction clamps are wonderful aren't they? I must say the action/stock fit on this rifles was way above average for a factory job... A barrel epoxied into an action by a goof in bedding might be easier to undo with a fair bit of heat. Once you get up to about 250C the epoxy tends to let go.... Oh, while I think of it...it always pay to leave a little clearance behind the rear lug to ensure that only the recoil lug absorbs the recoil impulse...

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kathryn

I use Devcon. I use 2 studs with shrink-wrap on them and wrap everything with electrical tape stretched tight. I bed all my rifles, have a new B&C stock that I'm working on now.

@markandsamafterwork

11 ай бұрын

Cheers

It only makes sense to keep the compound out of your screw holes, this is a great video for people that would potentially accidentally do it wrong

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man

Thanks Mark.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Makes perfect sense. Thank you!

@markandsamafterwork

5 ай бұрын

Cheers

very good points here!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Thank you for this. Im trying to mill out a peice of metal to allow my recoil lug to sit, then fill with some epoxy.. you pointed out some informative saving points for my process , thank you again

@markandsamafterwork

7 ай бұрын

Cheers Man

Great points and good solution to the problem.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Erik, Cheers

Excellent advice!

@markandsamafterwork

11 ай бұрын

Cheers

always excellent videos. thank you

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Collin

Excellent information, ThankYou

@markandsamafterwork

7 ай бұрын

Cheers

Great advice as always 😎👌

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jono

Very interesting, glad you put this video out 👍

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man

Seconded, regarding bedding chassis. I had a beautifully accurate Savage 10. Upgraded to a chassis and groups went from 3/8in to a hair over an inch. Chassis was perfect, but the action had some imperfections. Check your contact patches if in doubt! I torqued my action screws to a fuzz past finger tight and fired 3 rounds. It was perfectly clear where my high spots and low spots were, confirming my suspicions. It was easy to address it with a skim bed job.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matt, Cheers

Very informative stuff.....Thank you.

@markandsamafterwork

15 күн бұрын

Cheers

Thanks Mark

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers

Excellent tip mark, Another thing with the howa action is to bed the Knox in front of the recoil lug because there is no action material in front of the screw, unlike the Remington.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers

Thanks Mark. I’ve never built a bolt gun, been focused on gas guns. Been thinking about building one after I finish the gas gun projects currently underway. We seem to think alike in some ways. As you were describing the problem, the first thing that came to mind was using studs in place of the action screws. You could even use threaded rod, and snug the stock to the action with washers and nuts, as long as you didn’t overtighten them and squeeze all the bedding material out of place or distort the stock. If the action screws are shoulder bolts, you would need to make sleeves to cover the threads exposed, maybe. Hell, I don’t know what I’m talking about 🤬 Cheers to you and Sam.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, Cheers

4:40 when I bedded my little Mossberg I pillar bedded at the same time. The pillars were torqued to the receiver and then pushed down through the epoxy. Some clay in the socket heads kept epoxy from making tamper proof action bolts. Seems like an easy way to avoid the possibility of getting action screws permanently affixed to the receiver.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

As mentioned, not an issue when pillar bedding the action, Cheers

Good information

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Thank you! Very helpful...

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

So Mark if I understand this when you are bedding you want to fill all the holes. (Well someone had to say it.) This actually works in industry as well while working on machines where you don't want stuff in the threads. Thanks for the insight. Sorry about the bad joke. Stay safe. Take care. Have fun. 😎

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Yep bad, lol, cheers

Beauty, thanks!

@markandsamafterwork

11 ай бұрын

Cheers

great advice hank you again 👍🏼

@markandsamafterwork

7 ай бұрын

Cheers

That’s a really good tip.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers

Great tip thanks

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Nice tips, thanks much sir.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

I inherited my favorite uncles M70 30-06. When I tore it apart to clean oh my, it was bedded with bearing grease! Lol Took my a while to clean that rifle! Thanks for the vid!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Lol, cheers

@samhenderson2947

2 жыл бұрын

wouldn't rust then

I just bed a Remington 700 action this last weekend and I had that exact same problem! luckily found the gob of betting epoxy in the action so I scraped it out using a bore scope & a wooden tool i made.. took me a long time but luckily I happened to see it before it was hard

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Nathaniel

Mark, thanks for the information. I have been watching some videos on KZread and now know what not to do because of yours.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Louis

amazing video and very informative

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

cheers

Great content thanks for sharing, very informative

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks John

great info not going to lie I did this exact thing first time I tried bedding on cheap rifle got luck non metal epoxy and fixed it with tap again lucky no permanent damage

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Allen, Cheers

Thanks for making this video.I'm glad I saw it before starting bedding my rifles.

@markandsamafterwork

4 ай бұрын

Thanks man

Glad I found your video Mark. I have looked at close to a dozen such videos today alone and everyone seems to have a different view and method. Many I watched seem to bed the full length of the action and a few only bedded at the action mounting points. Your video was particularly helpful as I have a varmint barrelled Howa 1500 in .223. The idea of substituting the action bolts with studs to prevent the bedding compound entering the threads is good to know. I'm hopefully getting a Boyd timber stock for the Howa to use as a bench rifle, and have been confused as to whether I should bed the action or not. I can now see some of the potential errors made in the other videos I have viewed. Cheers from Adelaide.

@markandsamafterwork

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

l would like to give an alternative because if the action screw holes in the stock are too tight or the screws touch the stock it is bad for consistent accuracy, there needs to be clearance and l am thinking that a smear of grease on the screws will not give enough anyway instead of attaching the studs to the action and lowering the action into the stock, tape the studs to make them a good fit to the holes with plenty of clearance and have everything ready, the studs sitting proud above where they need to be seated, do the screws up in the action above the job and lower the action into the epoxy sliding the studs down, using this method also makes the epoxy have to find other ways to escape eg... mag well, gaps around the barrel/action ect... giving a better job this is how l have been doing bedding jobs for years and it works for me anyhow sometimes it is good to have another pair of hands while doing up the studs its also a good idea to tape the barrel at the forend tip making a good level fit so when lowering the job down it will be level and not lop sided, no guessing games and not as much need for clamps ect... a no pressure bedding job thanks for the video mark its always a pleasure to watch them

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Very easy to clearance afterwards, Cheers

@justice1327

2 жыл бұрын

Drill out the action screw holes afterwards

@markandmellwhiteley7995

2 жыл бұрын

@@justice1327 yes it is that easy, drill out the action screw holes after bedding to relieve the king screws making sure there is plenty of clearance, but being aware of the consequences of too tight of a fit is the important thing to know the problem can be that all holes in different stocks are not the same size so if the hole is too big epoxy can seep into the hole while seating the action into place causing sink back in the job ruining it but also creating a very tight king screw hole because the epoxy has filed in the gaps around hole that you would then drill out to fix, my method works but understand it is only a recommendation from me trying to help

@justice1327

2 жыл бұрын

@@markandmellwhiteley7995 Yes, great point on being aware of this problem. First step to avoid issues down the road.

Right on time. I'm about to bed a savage 112 long range 338 Lapua this week

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Great video brother enjoyed it, did 2 just like that ,no trouble 👍❤️

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, Cheers

Thank You for the explaination Mark, especially with regard to using the Dummy Screws/Studs. The way I explain the Bedding process to people is: "You are attempting to place the rifles Action, so that it is at complete Rest, in the stock inletting/Bed. In the same way, that we want to lay down in out own Bed, to be at Rest. We wan't the rifles Action, to have no unwanted stresses applied to it, as it Lays in it's Bed (its inletting)." Hope that helps. Regards JB

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks John, Cheers

Best video I've watched on bedding a action

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers

Supurb advice. Screw 'studs' prevent multiple issues as you kindly point out. One can learn the hard way, pay a smith for time and ability (fine if one has the budget) or listen to someone who has been there and done that. Mark, thanks for generously sharing your knowledge. American humorist Will Rogers supposedly said "Some learn by reading, some by observation. Others have to piss on the electric fence for themselves." Having taught myself rifle bedding, I promise it's the more painful method. 😵😬🤕 Mark steers us past significant pitfalls. Pay attention and thank him! 👍🏼

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Larry, Cheers

Thanks

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Probably the biggest thing is to not overload the area you are bedding with material. You really don’t need much more than a skim coat of glass. Also, use modeling clay to control where the epoxy goes…. Automotive wax and aerosol cooking oil also make an effective release agent in a pinch

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Dan

Good video, most especially to people who have Remington model 700 that tend to have a round receiver which is not conducive to being particularly accurate. I have never actually witnessed a Ruger Model 77 that needed to be glass bedded resist twisting when the firearm is fired. My very first Centerfire rifle for instance, was a 1979 Ruger Model 77 and 7 mm mag. Using the load that a friend of mine who is a bench press shooter gave me I loaded up some 140 grain Sierras and proceeded to fire a 20 round group into a center to Center spread of 0.049 in. The only thing I had done with that rifle is to put a329 Redfield Widefield scope on it and adjust the trigger to as light as I could make it and still feel reasonably engaged, which brought it down to about a two and a half pound pull weight. I have yet to personally witness a rifle match that accuracy. However I did shoot an Israeli Galil several years later it was a folding stock carbine version of the 308. And with iron sights it would consistently shoot 1/2 inch groups. However because it was full auto they would not allow me to keep it.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Yep that's the way, I like Devcon for bedding & PlayDough to block off bits and bobs (need to be quick with the Playdough - it goes hard overnight )

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Linus

When using the studs to fill the screw holes in the action, I like to give them a turn when the bedding compound has begun to firm but before it has cured. Makes it easier to remove the action (or the bolts first, then the action) after the compound has cured.

@markandsamafterwork

6 ай бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

Best on here…period..thanks mark&sam from Ky…matt

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Charles

Ik always put clay in places where IT can not go and rubber band to try IT down And always some tape to support the barrel in front

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Brillant!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Remember to remove your Trigger assembly before placing the receiver into the stock

@markandsamafterwork

2 күн бұрын

Cheers

Just about to do my first bedding job in my ruger. The idea of sticking the action screws up through the epoxy has been bothering me. Thanks for the video, great solution to the problem.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers

I use a cut bicycle tube to wrap the action/stock together...applies a lot of even pressure. But I really hate the mess of bedding in the first place...

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

That will work, and yep, lol, Cheers

In my experience for the first rifle you bed, it better be a super cheap one lol. As you has experience, you can make it look/work really well.

@markandsamafterwork

7 ай бұрын

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As a brash young 18 year old I sauntered into a gun ship in Inverell in northern nsw talking and acting like I knew everything about rifles ,a quiet gentleman walked over to me and handed me a copy of Warren Pages the accurate rifle and suggest to me very politely that I should read it (true story ) I did purchase it and this started me on a lifelong quest to find the accurate rifle in all forms .my question in this - where did we start deviating from the original concept of free floating action rails and recoil lugs ONLY touching at the BACK .I have been using studs to bed rifles and masking tape to hold them in for years .Well done for the article

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Full bedding has been round for years now, most good target rifles are done that way, Cheers

I always use studs and black tape to pull the action down. Your gunning for stress free

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

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Right or wrong, I used my rear action screw to hold my M77 action in place. I didn't torque it down, just took the slack out. 28" heavy barrel, so the rear screw just kept it held in the stock. Just ran it down until all slack was out. In the other two screw holes, I cut small pieces of foam earplugs, rolled them up and put them in the holes. Worked great. I hate the angled recoil lug. 😂 That's the only reason the stock isn't pillar bedded.

@markandsamafterwork

9 ай бұрын

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I prefer to use a threaded rod in front and use a nut slightly snugged to square the action to the receiver

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

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