Would definitely watch an in-depth comparison with Force/MPC.

@xntricity6446

Жыл бұрын

Agree, I'm rooting for the force however 😋

@RhythmExplorer

Жыл бұрын

Honestly. I am surprised Force never got a review yet on this channel and Push 3 got a review already in just days or release.

@xntricity6446

Жыл бұрын

@@RhythmExplorer surprising as its a powerhouse. Anyway I'm relieved to see push 3 standalone is almost double price of force so far out of the ball park on price.

@RobertoFrobs

Жыл бұрын

@@xntricity6446 well..without third party plugins in the push, your synth choice will be very limited

@xntricity6446

Жыл бұрын

Here in Ireland the amount of Push 2s hitting the second hand market is up over past day already. I think people are looking at their instruments as a devaluing item but really they should not be this reactive to push 3 launch. Madness

Gotta love that upgradeable/right-to-repair thinking Ableton has had with this one. Definitely interesting!

@Ipsissimus

Жыл бұрын

Nothing to do with "right to repair".

@mdeerocks6792

Жыл бұрын

Not sure how we are going to upgrade sticky rubber coating, which they decided to use again.

@mklschwrtz2

Жыл бұрын

@@Ipsissimus Whatever their intentions are the result is still the same.

@Ipsissimus

Жыл бұрын

@@mklschwrtz2 So you've had your hands on the Push 3 and can confirm that it's repairable?

@mklschwrtz2

Жыл бұрын

@@Ipsissimus He clearly states at 6:47 that you can buy the upgrade kit seperately. Thus making it somewhat repairable since you can replace that module if it breaks. Repairable does not necessarily mean you can replace every single piece that makes up a unit.

For $2k this should come with a Full License to Ableton Live. Sheeeesh!

@christdolphin69

Жыл бұрын

It’s literally ableton in a box. What are you whining about?

@milk_bath

Жыл бұрын

@@christdolphin69Have you explored the differences in Live Intro and Live Suite?

@christianthompson1473

Жыл бұрын

That will be a special offer in 3 months time. 😉

@chriskelvin248

Жыл бұрын

It doesn’t?!?

@Kdkjdjewerdnxa

Жыл бұрын

@@christdolphin69 Live Intro/Lite is borderline useless

I sure like your videos on everything. They are so clear, so instructive. I so appreciate the contents listed on the side. I come back to your videos often to learn items I own. Push 3 is exciting! Thanks! You're such a good teacher!

@88keyz

Жыл бұрын

👍🏾

The level of detail and clarity in the explanations here is really superb, so well balanced. Excellent work!

Thanks for the complete review. The product page for the Standalone is telling, in that they mention "Replace processor, battery and hard drive as technology improves". One could assume that these future upgrades will become cheaper and better as time goes on! Yay if you can wait!

@allancerf9038

Жыл бұрын

You can get more powerful hardware but you can't jump to a different CLASS of processors, that's not supported. I'd have preferred if Ableton with their huge discounts for volume put more state of the art hardware into a 2 grand controller. True confession - I have a Push and the pads are not good. I like Live Suite and use it every day.

Your videos are always THE videos I look for when trying to know more about devices. Thanks a lot!

Would love to see an update in-depth Force video. You haven’t done a review since all the updates. Which like the MPC was a game changer

@loopop

Жыл бұрын

I do want to get to it.... but can't promise when

@NuisanceMan

Жыл бұрын

@@loopop May it soon be with you!

Love the standalone upgrade option, would be nice a cheaper non-experessive version for those that don't need the poly expression pads. As always, loopop saves me from clicking buy. Thanks for the awesome review.

Just got mine today. Stand-alone is far exceeding my expectations. I find that due to the workflow I’m discovering new ways to use Live that I passed over in the software.

Thanks again loopop, your retutorialviews are always excellent!

I just looked the announcement and first search on YT looking for a review, sure yours come to the top! Thank you sir! 🙌

Push 2 owner here. Quite happy with it. Synth player/keyboardist as well, so I always have expressive KB's in my rig...therefore I simply don't see any reason to upgrade at this time---at least for me. gotta say, I'm LOVING the user update ability. I HATE when manufacturers hardwire EVERYTHING (looking at you APPLE) and thus shut out users from upgrading, forcing them into a "Buy and dispose/recycle(????...yeah, sure....)" cycle.

@kierandennis1883

Жыл бұрын

The pads are a bit small for the mpe upgrade. Also, not hearing anything about sensitivity consistency. Had push 1 also as well as push 2.. both had issues with pad sensitivity. So, I kind of agree!

@novalogue

Жыл бұрын

@@kierandennis1883 kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4V3q9OPc7a-lrA.html&ab_channel=KenFluxPierceFluxwithit got you covered

nobody breaks it down quite like loopop! Respect.

You make the absolute best videos man. SO insightful. Thanks. I don´t understand they did not put just some sort of arrangement view in there.

Amazing tutorial as always. Covered all my questions. Thanks!

I have the Force... And it's great.. but this is real competition for it and what a innovative set adding upgradable hardware!! they should get a Nobel prize for that!

@Patriotic_Eagle1995

Жыл бұрын

It's a push 2 with a built-in, underpowered laptop. Calm down

@DJCJ999

Жыл бұрын

@@Patriotic_Eagle1995 bet you are fun at parties! It's a great step forward, however, they should have an option for adding a bigger screen so yeah.. it's not "perfect"..

@Noise-Conductor

Жыл бұрын

@@Patriotic_Eagle1995 But with MPE pads! I want that on my Force. Akai are you paying attention?

@Patriotic_Eagle1995

Жыл бұрын

@@DJCJ999 I'm probably more fun than someone so enthused by another DAW-in-a-box that they lose their mind over it...

@DJCJ999

Жыл бұрын

@@Patriotic_Eagle1995 doubtful.. you'd probably be hiding out in the kitchen, petting the family cat with me :D

Got a sticky Push 1 for $99 and it is fantastic

Thank you very much for this incredible video review tutorial!! Ableton is really amazing!!

Now this is a true successor to the OG Push 2. Loopop amazing review as always

Amazing feat, Ableton team! I wished you would have taken the opportunity to integrate more functions via the push. Please take his list of "missing features" as a To Do list, so it can get closer to the likes of Maschine from loop to full song without touching keyboard and mouse!

@allancerf9038

Жыл бұрын

They took 20 years to get automation lanes and on Push 3's small screen the arrangement view would have to be a stripped down version - better than nothing. Whether anyone would use a stripped down arrangement view rather than recording in session view and then connecting a computer - is unknown, LOL. BTW there's a max for live device that brings the arrangement view so when you get 'yours,' tell us how you like arrangement view on a controller. I'm not being facetious, I'd really like to know how it works out. Best,

Just woke up, seen the ad on KZread, went straight to loopop 😊

@Lokua

Жыл бұрын

Same

I was very much wating for your review, thank you 😊

as usual, a solid comprehensive review. And yes.. i’d be keen on seeing this one compared to the Force. Thanks for the review. (i hadn’t been around for a while_ cheers from Portugal)

Thanks for the review. I believe this thing is a game changer, especially for the industry. Will absolutely grab one (not sure if a stand-alone or a controller first)

@thegreat1548

10 ай бұрын

Better than mpc live 2??

I actually bought the MPC Live 2 and adapted to its platform coming from Ableton Live because a device like this was not available at the time. The Push 3 is the device I always wanted: a standalone, mobile Ableton DAW-in-a-box. Fully focussed on the Session View and where you use the computer version for arrangement, mixing and mastering.

@fcfc

Жыл бұрын

I've been waiting for this for 20 years, but it seems I still need to save some money before I can buy it

@lorrenaelliott161

Жыл бұрын

@@fcfc sell all your gear- problem solved 😊

@fcfc

Жыл бұрын

@@lorrenaelliott161 hopefully 😄

@wmextra

Жыл бұрын

@@fcfc me too

@DefinitelyNot5Dogs

Жыл бұрын

I bought and sold a deluge last year hoping it could do something like this, sadly it was too hard to interface it into ableton in the way I wanted to and I ended up selling it. This being standalone is a gamechanger for me in so many ways. I can use it to play as a synth in my band. I can use it to perform my live set without a separate computer or laptop.

Fantastic tutorial as always

Excellent video. You've covered most of the ins and outs of Push3. Thank you for this vid.

Great video. Thank you. It seems to have many of the features of the AKAI force, which since it’s updates is amazing and at half the price

@George-nx8zu

Жыл бұрын

Haven't heard of the AKAI Force yet. What have the updates brought?

@Noise-Conductor

Жыл бұрын

@@George-nx8zu Too many to name. It's best to watch the update videos & see how it became a better device over time.

What a time to be alive!

Thanks for the clear and comprehensive video, as always! I'd be very much interested in a comparison with Akai Force, if you feel like it

As always the best tutorials, thanks!!!

Just incredible. @Loopop: please please PLEASE do an actual comparison to Akai Force, which is literally the best thing to compare Push 3 to IMHO.

@okeribok

Жыл бұрын

Short version: at twice to thrice the price (depending on Live version), you get four times the ram, dozens times more cpu power, up to dozens times more GB of sounds, MPE pads, built in battery and upgradability, Akai Force does not stand a chance for value for money.

@myceliumtechno

Жыл бұрын

I'm not swapping my Force for P3. Akai Force sounds just awesome. It's funny how no P3 review is talking about the audio quality. Except Stimming talked about the headphone out that he said was not impressive.

@Distortic

Жыл бұрын

I love my force, its been my centerpiece for a few years now. An ableton user for over a decade, I barely touch it because the force is just so well integrated with my other gear. This is definitely bringing the daw in the box. The force has come a long way, butbi dont see anything it can do this can’t.

@myceliumtechno

Жыл бұрын

@@Distortic I agree. But I haven't heard anything with an audio dynamic range like Force has. The sound with Force, if done well, never gets muddy. Everything is positioned rock solid and even then you can add stuff that does not get lost. That to me is valuable.

@RhythmExplorer

Жыл бұрын

I have to agree. Still not sure why we’ve not gotten a review of Force yet on this channel.

Those microtonal options will be a revelation 😮🤩🤩🤩

Man oh man, I’m so glad I’ve been holding out for this!!

Appreciate your impartiality great vid!

Honestly, this is the biggest music tech news in a long, long time. This is an actual gamechanger, and I hate that term. They have really, really read the market here. The fact it is upgradable at the processor level shows that they are fully commited to this device for a long time. More beautiful, more functional, more capable. Baring in mind they have done a lot of this during the nonsense of the last few years, Ableton have really knocked this out the park imho. Now all I need is a standalone S series keyboard from NI 👌

@milk_bath

Жыл бұрын

It would be a *actual* gamechanger if it could run 3rd Party VSTs. The jump from Push 1 to Push 2 was a bigger improvement than 2 to 3.

@shogunai

Жыл бұрын

@@milk_bath it's a development platform, I'd imagine you will see 3rd party support in the future plus a massive explosion in M4L instrument development too. As in major developers such as waves, fabfil etc potentially dipping their toes into their own M4L devices.. Kinda like with Propellorhead having 3rd party, proprietary stuff.

@milk_bath

Жыл бұрын

@@shogunai You can imagine 3rd party VST support all you want. It doesn’t mean it will/can happen. Never buy a product on imaginary features. I am excited to see future M4L developments though.

Ableton really went hard in the paint with upgraded features for its Push 3 hardware. I’m impressed, can’t afford 2K price point, maybe can pick up a used push 2. I’d be happy with that

19:28 "You can arm tracks by holding record and pressing a track". Thanks to seeing this I finally found a way to arm multiple tracks with the Push when Ableton is configured with the "Auto arm track on selection" configuration in options.txt. I've been looking for this for ages and this made my day!

Just ordered mine. Been waiting for a Push 3 to come out since Ableton 11 was announced.

Would love to see a direct comparison to the Force .. as they feel like they are after the same market.. The MPE is very cool but struggling to see in standalone mode how it has a comparable feature set .. and the price of P3 in standalone is hard core....

@ghanezu

Жыл бұрын

Let's not forget that sounds must be mpe compatible on push 3.

Impressive kit. Especially that upgradable part. Next level for music equipment. You might want to explain what ADAT is to the kids though 🤣

@DonnDeVoreMusic

Жыл бұрын

kids: whats a ADAT? dad: It was an 8-track digital recorder created by Alesis in the 1990s. It used specially formatted S-VHS tapes as a storage medium but It sounded awful. Alesis also created a connection standard known as ADAT Lightpipe that is used for tranmitting multichannel digital audio on a single optical cable. Lightpipe technology has long outlived the original recording format and is used to expand the input/output channel capacity of modern devices. kids: cool. whats a S-VHS tape? dad: it's what we used to watch movie before DVDs came along. kids: whats a DVD? dad: go outside and play. daddy's tired.

Excellent overview and comparison, as always!

@loopop

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Faaaaaaaack.... I was waiting more than 2 years for this!! (bought an MPC One in the meantime!)

Who wants to buy my Push2 now 😂 That’s was worth the wait! ADAT is breakthrough, needless to say MPE surface, can’t call it pads. Still hope Push2 can be used side-by-side with Push3 for more creative session control! TNX Loopop!

@robinr22

Жыл бұрын

I'm actually pretty disappointed - been seven years since the push 2 but this is all they add? A crippled standalone mode, a crippled audio interface, a minor UI redesign and MPE? That's really it? For this price? I'd expected a hell of a lot more.

@samprock

Жыл бұрын

@@robinr22 Still, leaves all current controllers/standalones irrelevant. For me for sure. Tons of things I love to see still. Why screen is as small. Or lacing a freaking song mode. On Maschine+ I can do simple from-to and it loops. Beats me how Ableton NOT implementing this for years! But I feel like my M+ going to find a new owner, Push2 already did, and I cancel plans for Osmose. New base is solid, software can be improved. I was waiting for Push3 for soooo long, just happy it’s out whatever it is 😂

Best review so far!!! Love it 👏🎬

@omarnomad

Жыл бұрын

Also, I think your comments about the lack of arrangement view is a huge deal. Thanks for pointing out!

Thanks loopop, great review again. Now I just wait my new Push 3.

If they want to bring Push 3 standalone to another level they should make it work with an external monitor/tablet and have all the interface controls as on the computer but with touch operations! One reason I didn't keep my push 2 is that I could not see and change in the arranger view. I believe if they would do such a thing (and this could be added to other gear, not just Ableton) they would have a complete hardware on the market right now

@milk_bath

Жыл бұрын

Great idea. Roland did this with some of their 90s gear.

@mikeo4445

Жыл бұрын

This. I need to be able to see my arranger on my IPAD along with all the other things I'd like to fit on a full screen. Also need to be able to integrate my push 1 and 2 with push 3 in standalone mode.

@Lokua

Жыл бұрын

I truly don't mean this to be combative, but...if you're going to the trouble of hooking up an external monitor, why not just use a computer /controller mode at that point?

@viezurelepanykt

Жыл бұрын

@@Lokua @@Lokua well i get the point there, and it seems stupid from some point of views but i really don't like to sit in front of my computer anymore! Is basically the only reason i don't do any music right now. It sounds redundant but since the push 3 is also a computer, it would be an additional advantage to have that ability! What i really want from my gear is to be able to use a part of it to start new projects on the move but at the same time to have the possibility to do everything you can do on the daw itself! Before i sold my push 2 i wanted to go with an MPC , and right now this is a big contender for that! So being able to get a push 3 on the move and just by adding a tablet to it BAM you get the whole Ableton possibilities would be awesome! And yes connecting it to a laptop is still a thing... That could be an option. But it would be really nice to have all the possibilities not just being limited (because in the end they only limit themselves)

@filmingkey

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. If they're not going to give us the arranger view they should have at least given us follow action access on the push which can act as a song mode option. I kept my push because I produce solely in a studio environment put it's important people understand the limitations in standalone mode.

Ableton Live in a box, with a new expressive controller for the price of an OP-1. Ableton, you mad lads!

@VanaVanaV

Жыл бұрын

anything seems like a gift if you compare it to an op-1 mk2😂

@vojtechknot7729

Жыл бұрын

ableton in a box without ableton...it`s a pity that they didn`t include live suite.

this video sold me on push 3 better than any of the videos ableton made. what a great device.

Appreciate it Loopop you are a REAL ONE.

I use Force perfectly with ableton suite 11 as a controller. I also have no problems at all bringing in full Ableton sets directly into the force

@marcosrotllan

Жыл бұрын

And cheaper too

@eento06

Жыл бұрын

I think AKAI Force is still the best live performance oriented standalone sampler device. Sad that Push 3 is just a Push 2 standalone with MPE..

@marcosrotllan

Жыл бұрын

@@eento06 amen bro

@allancerf9038

Жыл бұрын

How do you do that with their track limitations?

@marcosrotllan

Жыл бұрын

Do you use midi cc, program changes....?

Great review, as always, thanks! I'm a Force owner since before all the big updates and on the Force forums, there was a spate of dedicated Ableton users who bought the Force hoping for Ableton in a box who were then disappointed, so I guess they'll be happy! I did always wonder though, if you wanted all the feature set of Ableton in a box, surely that's.....a laptop? When I got the Force, I was deliberately looking for a reduced feature set as I found myself a rabbit in the headlights with a DAW - too many options stifled my creativity. Nevertheless, there's a lot to like here, particularly the hardware upgradability that could benefit the whole standalone community regardless of the manufacturer you choose, as it raises the bar. Thanks again.

@sub-jec-tiv

Жыл бұрын

Totally true. Ableton in a box is… Ableton running on a dang laptop. If you wanna use boxes use boxes, why do we need Ableton in a box in the first place? Use Ableton for its strengths, use something else for what *it* does well/better. #opinion.

@danielandersson7515

Жыл бұрын

@@sub-jec-tiv Totally agree. Next thing you know these stand alone devices will get support for connecting a mouse for easier editing, and a keyboard for easier typing. And then we´re kind of back where we started. :-)

great review thank you🤟🏽🤟🏽

Thanks. I didn’t know I needed this.

Almost perfect. If the standalone version can send / receive the graphic info and such to an external multitouch display screen, alphanumeric keyboard and mouse or pad, just like on my “ancient” Roland vs2480 multitracker, the void between DAW hard and software would at last be closed. After posting this I’ll take a look at the projected price, probably gulp and decide to not switch as yet. 😊

@inthefade

Жыл бұрын

It is definitely a bit eye watering of a price.

@final_animal

7 ай бұрын

That sounds like just using a laptop though, no? Not being funny, I just don't get the distinction

@marcbrasse747

7 ай бұрын

@@final_animal You would if you had the chance to use one. User dedicated hardware so no laptop hassle getting in the way. Super stable. No bugs. No compatebility problems between different hardware components ("Why doens't this f(beep)ing hardware controller not listen to this protocol?") but fully integrated hardware controls (the VS2480's faders are even motorized!). And still you can get very deep into the nity gritty with the keyboard and mouse. That may all sound like unnecesarry luxury and to a certain level it is, hence my cost remark, but it's bit like a good digital hardware synth with sufficient controllers: It may "only" be digital but it feels like the real thing.

@final_animal

7 ай бұрын

OK cool, that makes sense. Thanks for the reply!@@marcbrasse747

Looking forward to a FORCE comparison. Still believe that the FORCE is better however.

@Lofilegacybeats

8 ай бұрын

The better because it ahas an arranger and cost way less

Can we connect a Workstation keyboard as the Roland Fantom with only the USB? Like on computer, that appears all the 16 channels of the keyboard as separated audio channels. In this way we still could plug a Guitar and Mike on the inputs... It would be nice.

Excellent video 🔥🔥🔥

Ableton upgraded and developed the right things. Too many companies are adding a bunch of features but holding onto messy workflows and clunkiness. For me, this the ultimate standalone layout. Akai Force was close but had a HUGE deal breaker with no time sig change. I'm more than okay with forever parting ways with the MPC workflow now. I was gonna get one to pair with my SP404 MK2 and now it's not necessary. Great review man thanks!

@thegreat1548

10 ай бұрын

The workflow is more simple? I got the mpc live 2 and the workflow is annoying as hell.

@remyvegamedia

9 ай бұрын

@@thegreat1548 In my experience, yeah, the Push workflow is much more intuitive and straight forward.

@thegreat1548

9 ай бұрын

@@remyvegamedia sounds good, the mpc learning curve makes you wanna take a long brake 😂 and im a bit tired of it. If the push 3 was cheaper I would have consider. I'm thinking about selling my mpc to buy a mac laptop and a midi controller the keylab mk2 from arturia. I want to make music for film and commercials.

@remyvegamedia

9 ай бұрын

@@thegreat1548 Oh, yeah, the Arturia software and a proper DAW would serve you MUCH better than an MPC for that sort of music. The idea of a standalone device is cool as something to use on the go and bring back to the studio, but a full functioning DAW is unmatched. But yeah, if you're looking to compose film/commercial music, I would honestly suggest moving away from the MPC format.

@thegreat1548

9 ай бұрын

@@remyvegamedia yes, most definitely. I do have a thing for stand-alone equipment I think it's cool. But I don't want to keep stressing over the MPC when there are different avenues to take to produce music. Some say a Synthesizer would be better to create sounds that's better fit for movies. But I think the arturia software and sounds is more than enough..

Incredible. Or should I say, UNBELIEVABLE! As a synth-pop dinosaur from the 1980s, I'm literally shocked at the equipment coming out today and where it's all going. Where is it going? We'll see.

@theprincipal4305

Жыл бұрын

I was just think about when some folks develop their chops on these, it's gonna get fun.

@valdir7426

Жыл бұрын

it's going in a landfill in a few years with all the rest of the junk we compulsively buy

wow that's a serious powerhouse piece of production equipment, damn.

AWESOME, Im gonna buy it!

Push 3 seems like a great controller to pair with a Windows or Mac computer. Standalone seems like it's missing too many important things to be worthwhile, though. At Ableton's store, I see the controller for $999 or standalone for $1999, plus $339 or $559 for the software. So $2338 or $2558 for a standalone unit, and it doesn't have an arranger. So the user would need to use a computer to finish songs. By comparison, I got a Force + Decksaver + stand + SSD for about $1050 total, all brand new, and it's a complete production system.

@denardimusic

Жыл бұрын

Así es!

@allancerf9038

Жыл бұрын

Do you own a version of Ableton? Most who drop 2 grand on a controller have suite. That said I'm about to buy The Force...

@ToyKeeper

Жыл бұрын

@@allancerf9038 I try to stick with Linux, so I don't have a Windows or MacOS computer to run Ableton... and haven't tried to get it running in WINE. Doesn't seem worth the effort, especially when I can just use my Force and get everything I need in standalone hardware form. No mouse, no keyboard, no driver issues, no resource contention with other running apps, no waiting an hour for it to apply mystery updates on boot, no viruses, no need for an audio interface, no expensive software, etc... Just a simple device I can turn on and make music with, without the headaches of a full computer. Plus, it runs Linux and has a nice modding scene, so I can mount it as a hard drive over wifi, and manage files on it with standard tools. The Push 3 definitely has some great features, but for standalone purposes it still has a lot of catching up to do.

Man... I'd love the MPE pads to show up on the 16-pad grid of an MPC. It might be a way to liven up a drum kit without having to use 16 levels... Or even in combination with that!

@aqueous5099

Жыл бұрын

If they simply allowed you to implement the expression with an external controller, that;d be a game changer.

Thank you for the cool tutorial. I do have the push3 for a few days now. I love it and hate it 😂. Because it’s not flawless at all. Some things are buggy (!) and some things are just not possible at the moment (speaking about stand-alone only). For example audio trakcks: you can sample on them, but can’t load a sample on them, like in the real software. Workflow: If you want to load samples from a private folder (yes, i takes ages via wifi) … for each pad in the drumrack you have to browse to your folder again… it always jumps back to the standard folder for drum sounds. That sounds small but for me it is a huge workflow problem. And there are more things… really hope for an update soon! Some bugs are also really annoying.

Great review, please do the comparison video with other standalone groove boxes

@neb2612

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, I would love to see one on an Octatrack

Please tell me it doesn't have the same rubber-like material finish as the Push 2...

@loopop

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't

@JaminZ_1

Жыл бұрын

Good to hear! I am stuck with a sticky Push 2.

@unclelee754

Жыл бұрын

@@JaminZ_1 i am glad too!

@loopop

Жыл бұрын

To clean the stickiness on the old Push 2s, you can use a liquid called Goo Gone ($5), with a proper cloth and 30 minutes of scrubbing, all the stickyness will be indeed gone. Use gloves and be careful not to touch the top which doesn’t get sticky, this liquid is kind of oily

@kozihoppy

Жыл бұрын

@@loopop Great tip! Thanx

Looks great. I wont be upgrading my push 2 any time soon but probably will to the controller version at some point in the future. Almost entirely for the UX improvements and the polyphonic x/y controls. Not even slightly interested with standalone. There is no situation where I am going to want a push without a computer. Maybe in 10 years when there is no point not upgrading I will but I cant imagine using it enough to justify the cost or the added heat/ complexity.

@marklar97

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree! For me Push 2 is the ideal controller, I will change only if I break it somehow.

@DubsteadyMusic

Жыл бұрын

Yeah stand alone is a weird flex for push. I get its the new thing everyone wants but push IS a controller FOR a daw. I guess its ableton you can throw in a back pack which is kinda cool 🤷‍♂️

@sacredgeometry

Жыл бұрын

@@DubsteadyMusic Agreed. I dont even get it from a pragmatic standpoint. All you are buying is a slightly more portable version. Fair enough for the inclusion of an interface now. That at least had some merit but: Its not even that much more portability. Laptops are super thin and powerful these days. A macbook air is negligible weight cost, at a huge advantage to this or any other hardware. Dont like a screen? Close the lid and dont look at it. There you go you have exactly the same product albeit without the hassle of moving files back and forward and not having all your plugins and samples immediately available.

@marklar97

Жыл бұрын

@@DubsteadyMusic I think that the whole idea of a stand-alone device might sound good on paper, but in reality, it is super questionable. I have Roland MC-101, it is really tiny and portable, but still - the pads' colors are not visible when it is cloudy outside. I used it outside once, during the 5 hours bus trip. For me portability means I can grab a device and play around sitting on a couch or laying in bed. I don't think Push 3 will work for such a case.

@Reggi_Sample

Жыл бұрын

There is no situation where I would want to use push 2 without a computer. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

This looks amazing.

Once they add the ability to view and edit your automation sequence I will be extremely tempted by the standalone version

Awesome. Couldn’t wait to get off work so I can watch this. Since I waited so long for Push 3 before getting Akai Force, I was already ready thinking of getting Push 3. Thanks for the in-depth review, I think I skip for now. There are some limitations that makes Force a brilliant choice for my setup. Also, I think this will put Akai on their toes for more improvement.

@inthefade

Жыл бұрын

Akai just need to hire a couple better programmers.

@thaexception3406

Жыл бұрын

I'm with you.

my only gripe is that you only get ableton intro with the new push, it should really come with the standard version of ableton. Feels weird to launch a flagship controller product without access to the full software.

Can’t wait to see if it become a good alternative to CDJ, functionnality and performance wise, for touring with minimal setup

Great update.

Definitely curious how it compares to the Force. The MPE functionality and upgradeability seems great at least

@gullyman777

Жыл бұрын

Force struggles with anything I threw at it, time stretch is awful, buggy encoders, audio interface that doesn’t work so not comparison imo but this it’s just off my experience of owning it

@alchemistrpm82

Жыл бұрын

I love my Force. And Force has its arranger to lord over the Push 3. But Push 3 looks amazing to me, especially with the upgradeable aspect, and the fact that projects are seamless between standalone and an honest-to-God DAW. Pretty game changing imo. I’ll probably opt for the controller, then upgrade to standalone at a later date. (Just got the MPC SE ffs). Incredible that that’s even an option.

@alchemistrpm82

Жыл бұрын

@@gullyman777 Interface doesn’t work? Buggy encoders? Buggy updates maybe. Sounds like you struggled with it.

@alchemistrpm82

Жыл бұрын

@@bugglebegger143 Well, it has the same memory and CPU as every MPC but the 2 newer ones. I’ve never heard of anyone having a cpu issue. Memory actually is hardly an issue at all on Force with its streaming ability.

@Expectaz

Жыл бұрын

@@gullyman777 I love my Force. Maybe my workflow adapted around it, so after a few years I don't see these issues anymore. There are a few things I would like, like better audio looping and program changes per clip for the internal synths, but that's just nitpicking. Nevertheless I also still love ableton since I'm a user since the early days there too

it could be useful to connect it to the smartphone as a second screen, to have a second visual panel

Nice review lopoop

Thanks for the good review. One of the more interesting aspects compared to my Maschine mk3 is the MPE possibilities. In controller mode, what can it do with the third party MPE enabled plugins on my computer ?

What I really missed from the Push 2 is the nudge functionality. I like to use Ableton Live in my DJ sets to play some drums and effects but if you're playing on a pro Pioneer setup you don't have Ableton Link (shame on you Pioneer, but i also only use any sync options if I must have to) so somehow I have to beat match. For this I found out I can map two button in user mode which can be momentary too. Is there any way to access the nudge functions on Push 3 directly or with a shift button?

@jgcamil

11 ай бұрын

If you use a V10 or A9 sync it to the prolink interface via midi.

@envo

11 ай бұрын

@@jgcamil nice, but both is quite rare at the clubs. V10 is ultra specific, the A9 is too new to be accessible... most clubs are still running 900 nexuses or NXS2's.

In my opinion, the Ableton team has done an outstanding job with the UX of Live. I believe that purchasing a Live license and installing it on your existing computer is a more affordable and superior option.

@fcfc

Жыл бұрын

yes but it looks more geeky on a gigs

@rorz999

Жыл бұрын

More affordable yes, but there's obviously a market for standalone gear

there could be a button to toggle the MPE to scroll the grid of clips... currently the change is scene by scene / track by track... who knows in an upcoming update

I think I see why they made the drift synth now.

@tigergame

Жыл бұрын

Very astute

@boredomcreatesmusic

Жыл бұрын

Why? Because of the MPE?

@robertsyrett1992

Жыл бұрын

@@boredomcreatesmusic yeah! and they included it with every version of their software as well, I think so that it would always be packaged with the Push.

@boredomcreatesmusic

Жыл бұрын

@@robertsyrett1992 Got you! Thanks.

This looks like a game-changer, I think this will leave a lot of other standalone device manufacturers scrambling to catch up

@heffe4257

Жыл бұрын

Nah.

@thedoublek4816

Жыл бұрын

Image-Line FL Studio based hardware groovebox, anyone?

@ruslanr.6171

11 ай бұрын

no

Excelente video! Thanks

My gosh, Loopop, you're a living manual!

Please make the comparison for Akai Force. The Maschine/MPC aren't quite the same....thing as Push/Force.

The Truth is in the specs, thus why I love this channel.

Thanks for tuto very nice machine ❤

The one thing I really gotta know is, did they fix the sticky surface problem that push 1 had everywhere and push 2 had on the bottom case part...

@loopop

Жыл бұрын

yes

@Erdnase23

Жыл бұрын

@@loopop surely only time will tell?!

@norilam109

Жыл бұрын

​@@loopop do you mean they no longer use a matte/rubber coating? My pish 2 is a gooey mess :(

@loopop

Жыл бұрын

@@norilam109 $5 Goo Gone and a 30 minute scrub and all the stickiness is gone

@SteveCookeGB

Жыл бұрын

@@loopop I hadn't heard of Goo Gone before, so thanks for the tip.

Oh wow, I'm not interested in Ableton (Bitwig user here) but this challenges the Linnstrument as a MIDI controller!

@NakulKrishna

Жыл бұрын

I wonder how this would work with bitwig. I know there’s a great script for the push 2 for bitwig.

@balrojmusic

Жыл бұрын

Bitwig scripts by Moss for push 1 and 2 are amazing.

@tristan_mcdonald

Жыл бұрын

@@balrojmusic I've heard they are, it's tempting now the price of Push 2 will be going down

@NakulKrishna

Жыл бұрын

@@balrojmusic yeah that’s the exact one I’m talking about. Updates it regularly too.

Hopefully, the update the standalone feature with updates that make it a lot more useful. I'm still sold on it just for the improvements alone. The only thing I want to see now is good mobile/iPad software to compliment the desktop application.

we have MPC, Push 3, and Maschine in the DAW box space. I think 3 entries would really heat up this space: Korg reintroduces the Replay with a sequencer Reason enters with a hardware version Zoom adds MIDI input and some instruments to a R20/24 variant

I think that Ableton made P3 with their workflow/ecosystem in mind: Note for sketching the idea. Live to produce the song. Push3 to perform it in standalone mode. For example, whole last week I was preparing live set in Ableton for running that on Force. Thanks to Akai, they made Ableton's project import, otherwise I would spend hours doing the same thing on Force. But then I spent another week tuning the project on Force (still not ready). With Push3 I could just import the same project and perform it. Also, tempo change per scene is not available on Force, thlis pushed me to exclude songs in different tempos just because Force warp sounds bad. Macros can be easily added by attaching small controller like Korg Nanokontrol. I will wait until the launch hype will be over, first real user reports and big fixes will be released, and then decide if I will hit trigger on buying P3.

@JamesBermingham

Жыл бұрын

Wait for the Hype to be over? You’ll be waiting a long time. Believe the hype. Trust in Ableton. You’ll be back to this Loopop video many times, and the GAS will hit, just as it is for me. 🤓 I’m just hoping that when Live 12 drops, they make it a free update to Push 3 owners 🙏🛐

@DmitryPuffin

Жыл бұрын

​@@JamesBermingham Talking about hype I mean initial release 'hype' when people are discussing the piece of gear that they didn't touch. Same happened to Force, when it was announced, but it was missing advertised features. I want to hear opinions from people who will use the actual thing in different scenarios. It will have bugs, for sure, every software has bugs, and its important to know how severe these bugs are. I always prefer to wait a bit, hear reviews from people who bought and tested the product in studio/live environments. Usually some floating bugs appear in such cases. Product will become better overtime, and I see benefits of using it already in my setup, but I prefer to hear reviews from people who bought off-the-shelf models.

@Drew_Vernon

Жыл бұрын

So a big thing for me recently has been simplicity. I own a Push2, which I have used live many times with my band. However, I wanted to go in a different direction. So my live rig right now is Waldorf Iridium, Novation Summit, and Elektron Digitakt. I'm now looking at Push3 and comparing it to that and thinking ... okay... but actually .... standalone aside.. how would it really HELP me??? I like Push. But the performance experience is very different compared to running some actual synths and a fairly capable but limited (and thus you have to be super creative to get the best out of it) groovebox... versus something that can do absolutely everything... but often in quite arsey ways that don't really connect with me in a live situation.

@adamcee7251

Жыл бұрын

100% agree. They're building an ecosystem / workflow across multiple devices. At some point maybe there'll be an official Ableton iPad app explicitly to pair with Push 3 / control Ableton, or maybe Note will sync w/push 3 (It probably can over Link), etc.

Makes perfect sense. Well done Ableton team.

would check this out in 18 months after a few firmware upgrades. Stick with my Maschine+ for now.

this is a gamechanger 🔥

This vs Force would be highly interesting in a in-depth comparison…

@iqnill

Жыл бұрын

I have a funny feeling that after a few quick firmware updates P3 may actually burry the Force. As a Force user I drool over the screen layout and accessibility. At the moment Force has more features, but the menus and the look are well dated.

@user-gz1rr1vd5q

Жыл бұрын

@@iqnill The menu diving can be for some Live devices quite cumbersome. There are other devices where the implementation is really lovely tho. Namely simpler, wavetable or compressor for example.

@audiolego

Жыл бұрын

Ooohh I want to see that vs. comparison.

@ZETONEproductions

Жыл бұрын

Cant compare .. force ableton integration is a joke and you can’t use force with a daw on a deep level

@valdir7426

Жыл бұрын

there's also the relic (which is a different beast)

The only Push 3 units out there are in the hands of KZreadrs - 1000s of videos explaining how fantastic it is and creating lots of demand. No wonder there are no Push 3 units yet available to buy 🤣

Did they fix the rubber melting issue? my push 2 got sticky and meh even when only in a studio with a/c

@martin_the_artist_

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same. I refuse to buy anything with that coating anymore. I have a few pairs of aiaiai headphones that have disintegrated after a couple of years

@peaterrepeater4441

Жыл бұрын

Push 3 isn‘t coated.

@loopop

Жыл бұрын

I'm told they already fixed that in later version of Push 2. I bought the original Push 2 and mine went all stickly too (back and sides), but $5 goo gone fixes that after about 30 minutes of scrubbing. Not fun, but does the job. Anyway, to your question, yes this material seems different

@toslinked

Жыл бұрын

@@loopop I had a later version of the push 2, definitely sticky.

@RabbitintheMoon

Жыл бұрын

@@loopop thank you!