As of 3/1/2020, the place has been completely fenced off. You cannot even step foot in the parking lot. There has been graffiti spray painted all over the building. Will keep you posted for updates.

@official_johnnys_journey

4 жыл бұрын

Let us know I just saw this video for the first time

@official_johnnys_journey

4 жыл бұрын

Let us know I just saw this video for the first time

@frostthewolf3210

4 жыл бұрын

Now I’m kind of mad because once again I’m going to be performing in the St. Patrick’s Day parade where the bloody sin am I going to get breakfast before the thing starts urgh!

@toxicnowayz1530

4 жыл бұрын

Can you do a update on here

@GUNSKNIVESNBIKES

4 жыл бұрын

YUNGSN1PERBO117 PS4 the building is leveled and gone.

We recently bought that site from the previous franchise owner. You’ll have to wait and see what we turn it into 😉

@imanobody544

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe a Rax? Pittsburgh Dad could do the opening. 😂

@crazeyjoe

4 жыл бұрын

Another Primanti Bros? The 'burgh loves PBs, not so much mds!

@WallieB26

4 жыл бұрын

@@crazeyjoe there is literally a Primantis a street away! LOL!

@WallieB26

4 жыл бұрын

@@imanobody544 hey if they opened a Rax, I want to be there for the opening as well!

@crazeyjoe

4 жыл бұрын

@@WallieB26 The 'burgh could use a Cajun/Creole place. Crafwish boil, po' boys, gator bites, etouffee, gumbo, blackened catfish...ooo yeah!

That McDonalds looks like right out of the 70’s! The ones I miss seeing now days!

@lisadillon8137

4 жыл бұрын

Mischief MakerStudios im sure the food was better too

@KC8EWU

4 жыл бұрын

Same here! Up here in Grand Rapids, Michigan there still stands a old Arbies building! Now a diff independent restaurant but kept the shape!

I’m shocked. That location was always busy.

@reneeaddison6679

4 жыл бұрын

Neil K Walk 💯💯💯

@JTB128650

4 жыл бұрын

They don’t make a profit there

@channelfive7883

3 жыл бұрын

@@JTB128650 how?

@NathanDavisVideos

3 жыл бұрын

I was shocked too whenever I went there.

@JTB128650

3 жыл бұрын

Article is here - triblive.com/local/pittsburgh-allegheny/mcdonalds-in-pittsburghs-strip-district-closes-without-explanation/

DUDE! CONGRATS ON 20K SUBS !! WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Your pittsburgh accent makes me so happy and proud to be from there

@bridgieoh9326

4 жыл бұрын

He is quite the Yinzer.

@gunnersteve13

4 жыл бұрын

Let’s go dahtahn and watch (insert correct sports team based on the month) at primantis. We’ll eat sammitches an’nat 🤣

Wow, thank you for sharing your time and talent. There are quite a few MAJOR venues being built near this location.

Probably a franchised store and they did not want to spend the money to remodel into the new funeral home look.

@yakamarezlife

4 жыл бұрын

Had to be i worked at one around 99 we still had the drive though conveyer belt and that was a franchise had the ps1 and n64 too lol

@furbymaster4239

4 жыл бұрын

@@yakamarezlife was that in Springfield MO by any chance?

@yakamarezlife

4 жыл бұрын

@f you that's right you do understand that Pittsburgh is a majority White City right? The reason it has bulletproof glass is because it's downtown it got robbed alot

@yakamarezlife

4 жыл бұрын

@f you that's right and they pulled out because the club closed that was 95 percent of there business that location is on the Northside there's jackshit there you can't even take a bus over there you have to drive a car or get a ride that's why it closed not a lot of business outside of the weekends

@flubadub4464

4 жыл бұрын

i hate the new look

Don’t see a lot of old abandoned vintage McDonald’s around here this location looks good though sad it’s abandoned

Abandoned is a bit much for "recently closed and still being disassembled"

@brittanyjagielski7993

3 жыл бұрын

Abandon means no one is keeping up with it/ live there or it’s being in use. So abandon is the right word.

I forgot about there was a McDonald's next to the former Altar Bar and since you brought it up, I only went to the AB once back in 2016 to see Metal Church play there.

@elevatoralarmcoasterandarc1214

8 күн бұрын

I remember that.

Whoa I had no idea that McD's is now abandoned! And yes, that was the place to hang out while waiting for a show when the Altar Bar was next door. We're not even part of the older generation of Pittsburghers who have seen the city change over the decades. Our recent pasts are already disappearing

if they even bothered to tell the employees I bet they didn't tell them until the last day

@TrueCrimeJade

2 жыл бұрын

That’s usually how it goes. I had a friend who worked for KFC, and they closed that and two other locations nearby. They didn’t tell anyone until the day of closing so that the employees would show up and not just quit early. It’s pretty fucked up.

I will always like the old style as I remember since I was a kid & beyond vs the square shoe box look. Last month I found a 1970's toy made by Playskool named Familiar Places McDonald's on ebay which I just had to have. Also I won a bid on a Toys "R" Us truck which was a must have for a long time.

Awesome video - appreciate what you are doing....keep it up!

I love your channel man, at 1st I came across a video like 5 minutes from my house & I just never left lol

I worked there in the 80 s. Plus went to that alter bar.

Great video wallie your the best stay awesome 😃

Oh no what a shame this reminds of my childhood

Great video, I just saw this pop up on my instagram feed, looked really cool.

its some of the most valuable land in Pittsburgh right now, not surprising it closed for a higher and better use. Probably will be office space built on the site

Its interesting that it has a sign that says “restrooms for McDonalds customers only” around here no fast food restaurants care or would enforce this. And McDonalds is pretty well known as a stop on a roadtrip for restroom breaks.

@labshe-ra9115

2 жыл бұрын

just buy some some chips.

It's funny how it closed recently. You can see the ad for "the rise of skywalker" in there. Another mcdonalds closed it was in downtown on smithfield st. Don't know how long though.

Great video Wallie. You should visit my hometown of Donora, PA. We have an abandoned McDonald’s that closed YEARS ago! At the time, it was the only McDonald’s IN THE NATION to close due to lack of business 😳 It’s across the street from the post office.

Nice find, don't think I've ever seen an abandoned McDonald's.

@ZachArmstrong02

4 жыл бұрын

Multiple around my area

@channelfive7883

3 жыл бұрын

@@ZachArmstrong02 why

@ZachArmstrong02

3 жыл бұрын

@@channelfive7883 bad areas I guess a few moved down the street from the old location

Wow just down a couple of months ago 😮. Good video

I drove past last week and didn't even realize they were closed. Interesting

They built a McDonald’s in a small town in Greenville Maine. The locals didn’t want it to be there. They boycotted it and it closed. That building sat empty for many years. Now it’s used for kayak rentals and River Tours lol

@christiangonzales7429

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting story. Why was Greenville so against it? Are they a health-conscious town?

@aceflys

4 жыл бұрын

Christian Gonzales Wednesday health-conscious. It is backwards maine. They are definitely into small town businesses not major corporations

@lachelleb3699

4 жыл бұрын

Increased traffic of strangers especially if its of a highway, sounds small town.

@channelfive7883

3 жыл бұрын

@@aceflys It's probably a town full of cringey ugly liberals.

Omg that look just like my old McDonald’s except my had a red roof sadly they completely changed it into a shoe box I miss it was my childhood McDonald’s I grow up with It thx u so much for showing it oh yeah my color where red and white for my building color

@WinDogeFromYouTube

4 жыл бұрын

I just googled street viewed this place, it did have a red roof

I like the old style Mcdonald's look 😀

@LM-jd3rd

3 жыл бұрын

Me too.

A somewhat similar McD's in Houston was converted to a small car dealership some 20 something years ago. These fast food buildings can be converted into use for almost any business.

@channelfive7883

3 жыл бұрын

Why

Back when I was 16 me & my mom used to clean an office in Lawrenceville and we’d stop here for Big Macs afterwards most weeks because this location gave the most special sauce I’ve ever seen. I’ll never forget how amazing every bite was!

@channelfive7883

3 жыл бұрын

Why

That McDonald’s was absolutely filthy.

@timeaton2970

4 жыл бұрын

AngieM 420 All fast places are terrible in many ways As should be closed forever

@PinBoy626

4 жыл бұрын

Not true I live in the country and the fast food places are nice and new in my part of mi it’s just the cities that have bad old rausragjtsb

@timeaton2970

4 жыл бұрын

Jaccob Ernst Sac you have so much to learn about these places As there on,y nice to you because they want you to spend money nothing else An do anything they can to eat there garbage

@PinBoy626

4 жыл бұрын

My dads McDonald’s is old I hate that McDonald’s it’s like the food was never cooked that’s the only trouble I had at a McDonald’s

@timeaton2970

4 жыл бұрын

Jaccob Ernst Which is another reason should be closed for good Like you said as the food may look taste good is unhealthy for you As I wonk there seen it all what goes on behind the scenes

Hey Wally, I love all of your videos man you're the best. Do you remember the original McDonald's that had the HUGE M going over the building???

The McDonald's in Punxsutawney Pa they redone their place this past June before our Groundhog Festival

1:44 Wow, that McDonald's sign actually looks eerie there.

I was literally in the Strip last week and didn't even notice. I bet they tear it down since they removed the power.

Now that is one cool looking McDonald's!.

"I came in like a wrecking ball", Wallie, you should have put the flags at half staff.

The same thing happened to the Wendy’s in Monroeville next to Popeye’s. It’s all boarded up.

@meshel1007

4 жыл бұрын

Yea I work in Penn Center east and was sort of surprised they closed

@kendizzle228

4 жыл бұрын

malika jones yeah it just shut down out of no where. I wonder what happened.

@louierod23

4 жыл бұрын

I delivered from that Wendy's at the start of December and was shocked! By the start of this month, it was gone. But theres one further down 22, one in Plum, one in Murrysville... This one was the worst for service anyway. Lol

@kendizzle228

4 жыл бұрын

louierod23 so true lol. It was the worst. I know of the other ones just was surprised it was closed.

@joshcohen5181

4 жыл бұрын

@@kendizzle228 I was in there right before it closed. This is going to sound crazy, but I swear they said they were closing so that Popeyes could have a bigger parking lot.

Altar Bar used to be my favorite venue. Saw Norma Jean there, Horse the Band, Kittie, Fishbone, and Misfits was the last show I saw there. RIP

Very interesting video. Thanks for posting this. Have a nice day.

Your voice and Burgh accent remind me of Dave Dameshek from NFL Network. Lol. Keep up the good work!

When did that happen? That is so random! That one has been there forever!

@GrnArrow092

4 жыл бұрын

It must have been within the last two weeks. All the advertising you see inside the store is very recent like the Star Wars Happy Meal display and the advertisement for the BBQ Bacon Burger.

@JTB128650

4 жыл бұрын

Fast food businesses doesn’t make any profit in downtown Pittsburgh. People rather eat healthy food in Pittsburgh. I heard a article in regards to it. I am surprised Wendy’s is still around in Pittsburgh. Lol

@shannonflaherty353

4 жыл бұрын

@@JTB128650 that's not really downtown tho, and I don't see how the don't make any money cause every time to the actual downtown McDonald's they are always packed. But I do see how in the strip it could have lost business with amount of other restraunts they are available over there now. But in actual downtown not that many.

@JTB128650

4 жыл бұрын

Shannon Flaherty I posted information about it. They closed it. The owner is waiting until the lease is up.

@awesomeheat2569

3 жыл бұрын

@@GrnArrow092 I subbed buddy

That's quite interesting they would close down just like that. I wonder if they relocated or if the rent went up. You would think it would do well in business because of the church and other local businesses nearby.

LOL, I was about to suggest this one! It just up and closed a couple weeks ago.

It looks like a vintage McDonalds from the 90's. The location in Sharon, PA still looks similar to that location. Haven't been in that location in years.

I liked these old McDonald buildings. Come up to Butler, pa on Route 8 South when just leaving Butler, next to the Super 8 and across from the Days Inn is an abandoned dine in style Pizza Hut. Its been abandon since last spring due to a fire that started in the back and went through the roof. most of the building was untouched, the building is not blocked off but they recently took down the Pizza Hut sign out front. I would love to see you explore that one.

@brandyrodgers4329

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately if you didn't know, it's now a Duncan donuts, the old pizza hut

@patricknedz

Жыл бұрын

@@brandyrodgers4329 yeah they did that about a year ago, when this comment was made it was still abandoned Pizza Hut. Atleast they do something with it.

Awesome video

I was just there on 22nd last month bought myself a coffee after shopping!

They have been replacing the old style buildings with new ones. It's rare to see a McD close permanently. Odd that the flags haven't been taken down.

Weird I only finally found this video, now. Sad to see the old mansard roof locations like this, bite the dust. Those old Ray Kroc plaques, were common at older McDonald's locations. I'm pretty sure the newer McDonald's locations, don't have those plaques anymore. Like probably after the 1980s or early 1990s at the latest, McDonald's stopped putting those inside the buildings of newer McDonald's locations.

I just drove past this an hour ago. Came home, found this video. :)

Having passed this place every day for work I can safely say this did not surprise me. Imagine a store where none of the employees cared about the quality of service being put out. Sadly a lot of the fast-food places in Pittsburgh are like this. It just wasn't making enough profit to be stable.

@KC8EWU

4 жыл бұрын

Same thing killed a couple places up here in my part of Michigan. Macaroni Grill demolished last week, becoming a Chic Fillet (allready a super busy Miejer store right off I-96 in Cascade Township) and also had a Quaker Steak And Lube that also failed super fast due too poor service. Quaker Steak had problems with food poisoning and didn't even last two years. Already replaced.

A part of me misses the old aesthetic of McDonalds. When I was young living in the Philippines, we would go to McDonalds and it was dark with a lot of browns with the same floor tiles except in the Philippines, it was white sort of "outdoor tiles" [for both stand alone restaurants and as part of mall food courts]. WallieB26 I am now a fan and I have watched a couple of your Kmart vids and now this.

Rip, looks like a vintage McDonald’s too.

@adamsATSfan415

4 жыл бұрын

it does i been to this one sad its gone now they relocated i think? most likely they did cause of the new logo they had,

@Satoshi9801

4 жыл бұрын

@@adamsATSfan415 Could very well be relocation. Two of the McDonald's in my area with this older building style were replaced with new restaurants down the road built in the current style.

@cfothough

4 жыл бұрын

I recognize your name, aren't you one of PottiesInPittsburgh's friends?

@adamsATSfan415

4 жыл бұрын

@@cfothough no but I'm from Pennsylvania but I go to school in west Virginia

@cfothough

4 жыл бұрын

@@adamsATSfan415 I was talking to the AFT guy. Why do you go to school in a whole different state i bet the morning commute sucks

its weird that the flags are still up

@mikespikedog5293

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking. Maybe it's going to be rebuilt.

@christiangonzales7429

4 жыл бұрын

The flags will probably be gone by tomorrow. I mean, look how quickly they removed the menu boards and the exterior signage

@jamessuchy6292

4 жыл бұрын

When McDonald’s closes a store they always take anything that has the arches and logos off immediately. They don’t want people to know it was a mceds. They will even change the roof line.

@christiangonzales7429

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamessuchy6292 They also don't want anybody not related to McDonald's to use the golden arches either. Similarly, in Texas when a Whataburger closes down they always make sure to paint the buildings completely white (they use white and orange colors).

@channelfive7883

3 жыл бұрын

@@jamessuchy6292 Why do they do that?

A few years ago, I'd heard that corporate doesn't want them to have basements anymore. Probably going to be a rebuild, been so many in recent years.

Wow. I was just there like right before Christmas!!

Dam I love that one because every time we go to city or Convention center we go there

Wow they even gutted the sign! Sad that it's closed.I do like the way it looks on the outside,like the shape of the roof.

I didnt even know this even closed...

What's weird is that the flags are still up after it closed, those exit signs could be retrieved to a collector.

So sad as someone who worked at McDonald’s

It looks a lot like the one we had here in the 80's. Ours is a franchise owned by a local business man. Just about 10 years back corporate sent some suited wienies in and pretty much told the guy his building was too old, and if he wanted to keep the franchise, he had to have a new one constructed. They literally built the new one right next to the old one. The old one remained in service until they could open the new one. Once the new one opened, the old one was torn down and the area was made into the parking lot for the new one.

@andrewbritton7923

Жыл бұрын

Mcdonalds owns the land and this is how they control their franchises. That's how franchisee Roy Croc was able to force the Mcdonalds brothers to sell their 3 locations to him. He strated the franchise reality corporation and bought all of the lands every franchise leased so he could control and make money. Then he bought the Landa of the 3 mcdonalds brothers original locations and forced them to sell

I am from Pittsburgh and the two times I was at that one it had really good food some McDonalds in Pittsburgh had burnt food it was also a popular place to hang out at I would always enjoy driving past it a lot of people love that one

Wow, I didn’t even notice they closed this one. They closed the one closer to Smithfield over the summer as well.

@shannonflaherty353

4 жыл бұрын

I think they closed that one due to criminal activities, also they have two other ones in town that one prob, did not get as much business.

There's one in Windsor, VT where I used to work and took last 3 drive through orders. :(

Just shooting a video for a few of your friends? You mean all 20,000 of them?

I didnt know Alterbar is a church again; last time I was there was a few years ago to see Buckethead.

Wow I used to go to this McDonalds all the time, I didn’t even notice💯

Used to go to that location quite often back in the day -- and would sometimes park in their lot at night when i would go to sanctuary/altar and some of the other bars & clubs. it was one last of the old-style stores in the city

for any one wondering who the dude was on the plaque. musta been one of his franchises at one point. "Raymond Albert "Ray" Kroc (October 5, 1902 - January 14, 1984) was an American fast-food tycoon.[4][5] He joined the California company McDonald's in 1954, after the McDonald brothers had franchised 6 locations out from their original 1940 operation in San Bernardino. This set the stage for national expansion with the help of Kroc, eventually leading to a global franchise"

@dennis4187

4 жыл бұрын

All them older McDonald's had a plaque like that in them. He was the founder of McDonald's restaurants that's why he is on the plaque

@stephenholloway6893

3 жыл бұрын

@@dennis4187 Kind of, The McDonald Brothers were the ones who technically started the business but Kroc was the one who eventually bought them out while expanding the locations beyond California.

@andrewbritton7923

Жыл бұрын

Actually Ray stole mcdonalds from the brothers and he opened the other 3 franchise locations then bought all the lands so alm owners had to pay his new company franchise reality corporation lease payments for land they were on. Later he named the reality company the McDonald's corporation which upset the McDonald's brothers. This is how he told them either do as I want as a partner or since I own your land I'll push you out. They sold their locations to Rat for 2.7 million and a handshake of 3% roalty of sales. RAay never upheld that agreement as he purposely left that out of the signed agreement for 2.7 million stating the franchise owners wouldn't go for the any royalty.

The Second location in the city to close in the last few months. I can't imagine McDonald's being able to survive much longer moving forward. Fast food is no longer an affordable option and people will not pay the high prices for a substandard product,

Isn't that a good thing a McDonald's shut down,just imagine how many lives are saved. Ilmao!

@WallieB26

4 жыл бұрын

LOL!

@channelfive7883

3 жыл бұрын

Wtf. McDonald's is great.

@shrekisgod1830

3 жыл бұрын

Its not mcdonald s falut it the people that are eating there and that make poor diet choses

Considering it is in the Strip District, the lot may have been sold for development. There is so much development going on down there that maybe a hotel or apartments will be going there.

@Nenezilla

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, I have to agree. So many buildings are being refurbished for lofts, this area is becoming nothing but housing.

@raerae1283

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah PGH is under heavy reconstruction

@NathanDavisVideos

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nenezilla Yeah but who the fuck is going to move into these new apartments and lofts. Aren't they kinda overkilling it?

The McDonalds in Mt. Pleasant on 819 was remodeled as of October last year. They had signage in advance of the remodel stating to visit the New Stanton store while it was being redone. That doesn't look like it's coming back anytime soon.

Sad.. I never thought I could miss mc donalds...at least, what it used to be.

Wow new subscriber I love McDonald’s never thought of looking for abandoned ones I lived in Pittsburgh my whole life and wow I thought that McDonald’s was still open wow in the strip district

Kamin said McDonald’s corporate offices notified him in late fall that the restaurant would close by the end of 2019, even though the lease runs to this summer. "Kamin said he believed the restaurant had been there for at least 20 years. The company continues to pay rent on the property despite the closure, he said." Kamin is the property owner.

Watching willie talk about mcdonalds and their commercial pops up

Wow! If they still have that Star Wars Happy Meal display, that’s very recent.

@syxepop

4 жыл бұрын

@Dusk Raccoon, well... I can see "Mary Sue Skywalker" as a certain Pittsburgh-area "pop culture comment" YT'er duo would call her. But then again... Yes, I was to say that the SW9:TRoS stand-in would date the store as being open in December, 2019.

Hey Wallie I just came across ur channel because of this video I work down there and it’s definitely so strange they closed like that .looking back the last 2 weeks before they closed they started to shut down the drive thru more and more... then I was thinking maybe they were under staffed. Then one day I went and they were closed. now that I think back they definitely knew they were about to close

8:55 awww shit, I think we’re “the friends”. Thanks for all the videos, Wallie.

I was waiting for some employee to open up the drive thru and say Hello,Sir. What will you be having? 😂😂😂😂

I am from North East Ohio when I worked in Pittsburgh we used to eat there everyday at that place. The service was real slow it took 25 mins just to get a Big Mac meal some of the workers had real attude problems.I do remember that.The moral of the story that place sucked.

I'm surprised they didn't give customers notice saying that they're closing

@Iceis_Phoenix

4 жыл бұрын

The rats and roaches knew

One McAbandoned to go please lol.

I was just in there two weeks ago and they were packed, I wonder why they closed.

@XDM10

4 жыл бұрын

Huge herpes outbreak in all their food for the last couple of months i heard.

@ltweakstream1768

4 жыл бұрын

If that was the case, wpxi or Kdka would have done I report on it.

Great video man!!

OMG... I've been to this EXACT McDonald's before in the past! I'm shocked that they decided to shut it down. It always seemed to be busy for the most part whenever it was still open; and whenever I went here. I wonder why?

@channelfive7883

3 жыл бұрын

Why

@NathanDavisVideos

3 жыл бұрын

@@channelfive7883 I don't know... Maybe it's because more Pittsburghers want more local kinda food and specialty stuff in the Strip District than some corporate or franchise food places.

@channelfive7883

3 жыл бұрын

@@NathanDavisVideos So are there not many fast food fans in Pittsburg?

@NathanDavisVideos

3 жыл бұрын

@@channelfive7883 I don't know. Maybe... (Unless if it comes to the Big Mac -- which happens to been invented in Pittsburgh.)

I remember when I went to this McDonald’s once.

Holy crap I've never seen a McSkeletor sign LOL!!!!

I've been there to use the restroom and get a soda during my uber eats/door dashing. Looks like its done done!

Wow I call that McDonald's #McDead

That very same mcd's was actually in an illegal tow video a couple yrs ago. Lol I can't remember who it was. Someone right here on KZread 😂😂

If I remember correctly, this was (at least at one point) actually a franchise McD, which is HIGHLY unusual. If that’s the case, maybe that’s why they were able to keep the vintage-y style. I hope something useful goes in there and not MORE expensive apartments 🤬

@andrewbritton7923

Жыл бұрын

All mcdonalds are franchises as mcdonalds makes money off owing the kand and leasing it to the franchisee and the franchise fees and royalties. Not very many US stores are owned by McDonald's corporation themselves. My are in West Virginia had many operators but now the family for all 6 locations in my county now owns many in 10 other counties and a few in PA and Maryland

Found the facebook page!! It just says permanatly closed and is still listed by corporate

@crimsonrose2417

4 жыл бұрын

Where?

@crispybisvuit5047

3 жыл бұрын

@@crimsonrose2417 Pittsburgh pa

Looks like possibly rebuild I know my town in Hannibal Missouri is tearing the whole building down an rebuilding it

DUE TO THE EXCESS NUMBER OF MCDONALD'S RESTRAUNTS IN THE DOWNTOWN PITTSBURGH AREA, THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION WAS MAKING THE LEAST AMOUNT OF INCOME, PLUS THE PROPERTY OWNER FELT "ENTITLED" AND TRIED TO"ADJUST" THE PROPERTY PRICE, WITH THE LEASE AGREEMENT DUE TO BE RENEWED ON 01JAN, OF THAT PARTICULAR YEAR. I USED TO BE EMPLOYED THERE. NO, WE WEREN'T TRANSFERRED TO OTHER STORES, RATHER WERE FIRED.