As a person who has close to 50K miles on my livewire(s) with multiple cross country runs the bike if properly equiped it can do pretrty much anything. As infraestructure grows things are jsut ogign to get better for smaller battey pack EVs.

One of my biggest concerns with electric vehicles in general are the resale value. The depreciation on them are a little scary.

@spartanx169x

10 ай бұрын

The real question is, how much does a replacement battery cost? For electric cars its staggering like $7000.

@LogicalQ

10 ай бұрын

@@spartanx169xor even, will the replacement battery exist when I need it? With the tech evolving the way it is, there is no business case for continuing to support 5-7 year old e-bike batteries.

@mikemiller774

10 ай бұрын

Are you using motorcycle as daily commuter or just fun? In case of fun - why bother.

@bloopbloop9687

10 ай бұрын

If you're not willing to ride a bike for long enough to make depreciation an issue, why would you be willing to buy it in the first place?

@SWTrailsAndWheels

10 ай бұрын

@@spartanx169xover $20k for a Tesla actually :/

Kudos to you on your willingness to give it a ride and be honest in your opinion, good and bad. People like what they know, and e-bikes are new. The FUD is very strong as well. They repeat all sorts of stories they heard somewhere from someone. Those are huge hurdles to overcome. But your review is a good effort at opening the possibility for those willing to give it a try. Great job! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

In my opinion the price is the biggest con. Most electric motorcycles currently on the market are just too expensive especially when you factor in the compromises you mentioned. I think they are neat but battery technology needs to advance to make these kind of machines more accessible. For now and in the foreseeable future I'll gladly hold onto my ICE bike. I also don't see ICE machines going away anytime soon. I think as time goes on both will coexist.

@xophere

10 ай бұрын

If your ride more the 800 miles a month it doesn't take as long as you think. Especially if you primarily charge at home. Look at the freedom is everything youtube channel for some analysis. Even if he is off by 25% is still pays out pretty quick. That said you got to be able to front the equivalent of a few years of gas and oil changes.

high cost, severe depreciation, and charging accessibility/speeds are definitely limiting my interest in all electric vehicles right now. If I was doing city only riding and charging was accessible where I need it I'd have more interest but would still need prices to be affordable to even think about adoption.

@SixWheelsDown

10 ай бұрын

but even with accessible charging- the charging times are extremely long.

Check out the Insta360 X3 Camera! store.insta360.com/product/x3?insrc=INR04CE QUICK CORRECTIONS: 1. Prices listed are USD converted to local currency, not actual list prices. 2. Zeitz is no longer CEO of Livewire as of June it's Karim Donnez now. 3. I guess I was wrong about highway speed as it relates to range. Thanks Fortnine... /s

Proud owner here, for almost two years now. Loved your review with Yammie Noob. This bike is so unique compared to anything else I have ridden.

@CasualCaribou

Ай бұрын

How has battery life been over those 2 years, and how many miles?

In Australia, some states are looking at adding a levy to the registration fees of Electric vehicles. This is to make up for the lost revenue on Petrol Taxes which are supposed to be for road maintenance works...

I love my Harley-Davidson Livewire. Excellent machine.

@xophere

10 ай бұрын

Same.

@StephenJohnson-jr5hp

2 ай бұрын

Ditto!

There are a ton of very valid reasons not to get an electric motorcycle, but my brief experience on the Zero SR/S was a lot like what Spite was describing on the Livewire. Fantastic sportbike, and very, very fun. I still wouldn't buy one, but that doesn't mean I don't thoroughly enjoy riding them.

Great audio on this!! Upped your game on the filming too. Nicely done. I've owned two EV's and they were great cars. I'd like to have a Live Wire when prices come down. I already have the charger in my garage. Thanks for highlighting the Live Wire.

Great review! Awesome bike!! Regarding the foot peg height, well, you can take these on a race track💪⚡️, and it was a total blast at Leguna Seca! Now I wish I could have tested that peg height on lean angle. :-) Also Energica EGO raced in MotoAmerica Hooligan class.

I had way more fun on those last Saturday than I thought I would. Great bike

@yourwifesboyfriend6081

10 ай бұрын

I demoed one a few months ago and can say the same. Not sure that I see myself owning one, but it was a ton of fun.

I have the LiveWire Del Mar, it’s my magic carpet on two wheels, been riding for 30 years and this is the most fun on a bike I ever had. It’s not your only bike like you mention, but it’s sure perfect for me.

I get the fun the EV's can bring you. Also for the smaller E-Scooters for example seen some videos and they seem a shit ton of fun to goof off on. And EV and Combustion Engine's can coexist now, so also later they will as well. But for me; an engine running is always an instant smile and happy vibe also mentally. Love your honesty and transparency with motorcycles.

Spite, just MAKE an E-Glide. Build video!

@GreatEgret

10 ай бұрын

I NEED to see this happen!

@fullmetalcorgi1350

10 ай бұрын

@@GreatEgret yes you do!

@loafnugget3088

10 ай бұрын

Not to flex or anything, but my pfp is a real Corgi 🦖

@fullmetalcorgi1350

10 ай бұрын

@@loafnugget3088 not to flex or anything, but your mom is a real corgi

I test road a Livewire when it came out and loved it. I could easily see myself replacing the Buell with one for a commuter bike... if it wasn't north of 20k. If HD built a bagger that done 300 miles on a charge, and could take an 80% charge in 30 minutes I could easily see myself replacing my bagger. Alas, neither of those things exist. Also, Harley didn't "build" the Livewire. Harley took the Buell XB12S and made it electric. Pull up a photo of each and put one on each monitor and start comparing.

I've ridden an E-Bike recently (the Italian Energica Ego), I was blown away by the performances, but still autonomy is a big issue especially if you travel long distances

Really great review. Just deciding if it is the Livewire 1 or Livewire 2 Del Mar for me. Harley has shown the world what they can do with electric bikes, now we need more choice, more styles and more range!

After one is the commercial breaks when the video starts back up I hear Spite say “Assing Power” 🤣

exited to see the s2 Delmar considering how relatively cheap its (compared to other ev motorcycles)

ARG I WANT ONE SO BAD. Perfect daily commuter right here.

I rode one back in July. I'm an ICE fan and slightly skeptical about electrics, but I went into the test ride with an open mind. I was surprised by how much I did NOT miss shifting or engine sounds. I expected to. But the bike is thoroughly engaging and very interesting. I could see really enjoying one and will probably have one in my garage at some point. I agree with Jake. It couldn't be my only bike. But it would nicely compliment my current stable (Iron Head Sportster 1200 Custom, Ducati Monster 695, Moto Guzzi Griso 1100). I'm very curious if this bike will bring new riders into the sport. The price tag is a bit tough for a new rider, but the bike is so darn easy to ride that it would be a great first. If only they had another more affordable electric below this rung of the ladder. (wink...!)

I don't agree the friction is between ICE and electric motorcyclists. I think it's more between the motorcyclists and those insisting "electric must be your future". I looked at the Livewire when it first came out as I was genuinely interested. But it didn't have enough range to even ride home from the nearest dealer. Will an electric motorcycle be a viable option one day? Maybe. But it's only viable in limited use cases now. 35 minute charge times? How many sandwiches do you plan to eat in a day? :)

Video a run to South Dakota and share your thoughts of an electric motorcycle afterwards.

They did such a good job on these bikes, they’re incredible and look even better! The only problem I have with it is that I can’t afford one which really sucks. It gives me a goal to shoot for though as I’m getting my starter bike here soon and will learn that way, but i want to eventually get one of these.

I test ride one of these at IMS outdoors. It was dangerously fun. They even told us “don’t grab a fistful of front brake, you might actually go over the bars” That said - I’d love to see Spite ride and review a good old school harley. A big twin evo or similar. A carbureted classic.

i mean it seems like it could be possible to just build the same thing but tune it so it is toned down for max range instead of power. only time will tell. a highway gear would be a nice addition. also as batteries get lighter that should help

@maguslascivious4980

10 ай бұрын

Transmissions need to happen for this reason. Running at max rev burns the battery... change the gears. There is a china dirtbike out now with a 4 speed.. one hopes that will pick up.

@xophere

10 ай бұрын

You are no where near max revs at highway speed. At 100 mph sure. Why it has a limiter at 115. On could argue it could be geared higher. But it isn't meant to race. All that torque downlow is a lot of fun. I think that would ruin it. And a transmission would add a lot of cost and failure.@@maguslascivious4980

I love my LW’s abilities too

Ha! Rockin' the Odin Mfg Heavy Hitters Baja gloves. I recently got the those same ones.

@firefighter1c57

10 ай бұрын

I tried to get a set, but 4x was out of stock

@spitescorner

10 ай бұрын

Some weirdo from Florida sent them to me.

@MommiesLittleMonster

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, the larger sizes went fast. I got XXl. Really diggin' them. @@firefighter1c57

The LW One felt bulky to me. It's really heavy and they priced for it early adopters. The Del Mar is definitely more competitive with the Zero models in price and range. After the test ride, I was really hoping they have lease/refurbished program, kind of like Apple does - but that might be asking for a little too much in this relic of an industry.

I’m an avid e-bike rider. Literally use it everyday. It’s made me want an e motorcycle, however not having a proper license nor the money to buy one stops me dead in my tracks. It does seem like my perfect form of transportation.

I wonder if the form factor of an "Akira" like scooter almost like BMW made is better for E-bikes because it lets you get more weight lower and maybe store more batteries.

@brokeandtired

10 ай бұрын

People have made Akira bike clones, apparently they don't drive well.

what are the oil change intervals? does the chain need constant maintenance?

Depending on the cost, I'd 100% be down for an e-glide as my Austin commuter. Freaking travel 40 mi one way on I35 every day.

Would love to own a livewire.

Livewire One Adventure. Basically sell the Livewire the way they set it up for Long Way Up

It's drag & aerodynamics, or more notably a lack thereof, that kills the range, not motor speed. Ryan F9 has a really good video that explains it. Personally, I'd love an electric motorcycle, especially when petrol (gas) is around $2 AUD per litre ($4.85 USD per gallon) for regular on a good day. Price is obviously a big hurdle. I could buy a lot of petrol (gas) with the extra it costs to buy one over an ICE, and rebates for electric motorcycles aren't a thing in Australia. The biggest problem, though, is range. Getting to work & back isn't a problem. That trip is only around 10km (6.2 miles) each way. The problem is on the weekend. If I just want a short local ride, it's a 90 minute 70km (43.5 mile) loop with big changes in elevation, which is doable. But riding the same loop every weekend gets real boring real quick. There are plenty of other great riding roads around Sydney, but most of them are 50-70km (31-43.5 miles) from me just to get to the start of them. It's very easy to have a 400 - 600km (248.5 - 372.8 mile) ride day just to end up back home. I guess I'll have to wait for hydrogen to mature.

@spokebloke1

10 ай бұрын

Yeah, range is still the issue, unless you have the coin to have multiple bikes in the shed. I'm in the Granite Belt in SE QLD, and heaps of great roads all around, but as you say, unless you want to do the same couple of 70-100km loops every weekend, you need something that you can sit on and do 400-500kms in a day. Plus, my commute is a 250km round trip every day, so it wouldn't work as a commuter for me either. I spent 10 years living near Lithgow and working at Richmond, so my commute then was Bells every day. Never got bored, even after a couple of thousand runs!

@punchbuggyyellow7097

10 ай бұрын

@@spokebloke1 I'm planning to run the Bells next weekend with a mate on a couple of Yamaha Scorpio's just for shits & giggles, but he's an hour ride from my place. On an EV I'd have to get to Richmond 1/2 hour early for a top up charge & hope to hell that the Lithgow charger is up & running so I can make it all the way back down the mountain, 'cos there's no charging stations in between. On the Scorpio I reckon I can do most of the ride on a single tank. And in the time saved from not having to recharge I could take a run at Galston Gorge on my way back to St George Shire. Unless they standardize EV motorcycle batteries & make them as easy to exchange as a Swap & Go gas bottle I don't think they have a bright future in Australia.

Sorry, but that seat to peg angle will kill me kness on a long haul. It hurts my knees just watching you sit on her. :)

How is your seating position compared to the rebel 1100? It looks very similar

Agree with you Spite love my Harley’s but it’s infuriating how much potential they have and then chicken out have you looked into the Harley Nova project in the late 70s early 80s?

Oil change at the 10K for the gear box with service at my dealer is $400.

It needs level 2 charging. I don't understand why they only went L1 and DC Fastcharge only. L2 would be the primary charging method.

The problem with adding more gears to an electric motor is then you have to deal with increasing heat in the motor and batteries as they are dealing with more load. Yes, Tesla can do it, but a motorcycle has a lot less room to add cooling. Heat is a really big issue for batteries and motors.

Love the video and I am a bit late to seeing it but to clarify on the Tesla gearing. Only the original Tesla Roadster had multiple gears, every vehicle since has had a single ratio and focused on motor tuning to achieve better range at various speeds. I am not an engineer qualified to fully solve this issue but a gearbox adds weight which the efficiency the different gears deliver would have to overcome the deficiencies of the added weight and be significant enough to justify the added parts and complexity. This is why Tesla focuses on increases efficiency through motor tuning and may be why LiveWire and the other electric bike manufacturers are as well. Just my thoughts, great video though.

Spite mentions stopping for a Level 2 Charge. I used to own a Harley branded Livewire and what he said isn't true (or it used to not be true). The bike has Level 1 (super slow) and Level 3 (super fast). There is no Level 2 charge which is a HUGE deal for most.

I'm actually waiting to see one with a tour bike design, either by Harley or by Indian. Because tour bikes can be heavier, they could add some battery and a little width to keep the center of gravity on the lower side. I use my tour bike as a commuter because I'm a trucker, so I carry laundry and other stuff back and forth to work. And with a battery tender port, I could plug in a solar panel for the week or two that I'm out on the road. The only time I'd want my I.C.E. is when I'm on long rides.

@xophere

10 ай бұрын

I think this is totally true. It is odd to me this hasn't been done. With a 1K weight like a goldwing there is a lot of mass for battery .

If energy equals mass (times the square of the speed of light), does it get even heavier on a full charge? Giggity.

I’m 41. I wouldn’t mind having an electric dual sport. Noise is typically the biggest reason landowners stop letting people ride bikes on their land. Could also be useful for hunting. Not a hater of electric bikes but the price tags are still off putting. I mean zeros ADV looks like a Honda cb500x but it cost like 4 times as much as a cb500x. And for that style bike being able to refuel is important.

Larger sprocket/pulling in the front and smaller in the rear would be an awesome highway bike.

I want one. Without the Harley tax, tho.

@spitescorner

10 ай бұрын

They already took out the Harley tax. It used to be 30K

Yeah not a fan of the HD master cylinder or the switch gear. Haven't had any problems with it though.

The Zero Cycles feel top heavy. Does the Livewire feel TOP heavy compared to ICE Bikes?

@spitescorner

10 ай бұрын

Nope. It's actually pretty well balanced. Hard to lift off the kickstand maybe but not like it's going to fall over

Range, recharge time and cost. You fix those 3 things, electric motorcycles will sell.

@hpenvy1106

9 ай бұрын

Range is a non issue, a common naked bike won't do 200 miles either. But the recharge part is a huge issue, I agree

does it feel like a motorcycle, without the gears??

I think it's awesome but when I go out on my bike it's usually a few hour's and 100-300 miles before I come home I just don't think it would last and I wouldn't wanna be stuck charging for an hour or more? But I do like it

I havr more problems with electric vehicles then i care to list i wouldn't ever touch one but its good to see harley trying something new. Now if they made their own version of a honda fury for a reasonable price or a gas powered sport bike they'd have my attention

Digging the metric conversions' thanks Spite. Wow that's like & $34593 Aussie dollars and that's without shipping or dealership costs and you can throw another 800 on for registration fees. Its a cool bike but it's not $36000 worth of cool. Man I could have my dream shovelhead chopper with change left over for that sort of money.

What do you think the mixed range would be with the bike in an “eco” mode? Commute is 55 miles one way with an average speed of 40 mph.

@spitescorner

10 ай бұрын

You'd be able to do that no problem. You'd also be able to do it in sport mode if you can plug in at work.

@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC

10 ай бұрын

@@spitescorner Thanks for the quick reply.

@elijahbowen1599

10 ай бұрын

Personally I wouldn't risk it. If you're going 55 miles one way, and the estimated range is 111 at full charge but drops significantly less once riding, more likely than not you're going to end up getting stranded like 10 miles from home after work, unless you charged at work, which isn't typically likely

@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC

10 ай бұрын

@@elijahbowen1599 Yeap that’s an option (charging at work) I was just curious or real world range.

@xophere

10 ай бұрын

ECO mode isn't actually the best. It goes something like this. At 80 about 80. At 50 close to 130. Then adjust for acceleration. Yes with a 110 plug /l1/l2 charging you could go as fast as you wanted with 8 hours of charging. I would easily do that in the cycle with 30% freeway travel.

I'm looking for a commuter electric motorcycle and Im comparing this to the Zeros. All I need is 50 miles range but more would be nice. The energy is free because I have solar panels. All I have to do is plug it in.

what Spite looks for is a comfortable seat, almost like a couch. every seating position every footpeg is so I mean soooo, agressive. lmao.

Just wanna say thank to Spite for putting a conversion in for GBP. Helps a lot 👍 (edit) would live to know your opinions on Electric vs Hydrogen. Apparently hydrogen is the closest Green option to Ice motors. But electric is really taking off in the industry. What do you think?

@0202pmurT

10 ай бұрын

Hydrogen is a joke because the tanks are so big due to low density.

Sorry, I love the SOUND of my Sportster Forty-Eight and my SV650, the vibration, the smell, all that internal combustion fun stuff. Electric bikes bore me.

Del Mar?

Hi Spite! Any chance you could give your opinion on the updated CBR500R? :)

1: The technology is amazing. I will not deny my fascination with it. 2: The range sucks. That's 80-something miles you got on the batteries when they're new and in their absolute best condition. Most people will not have more than one motorcycle, and that alone will be turned completely off by the limited range. Now, consider not-always-optimal charging practices, and the batteries will develop charge memory a little faster. You're talking, what, 80% range at three years? 50% range after five years? Consider people with old power tools, a drill which needs charged after ten minutes of use; or old cell phones which are unplugged at 100%, and after two hours of pocket time and very limited use, they're already below 80% battery. Compare that to a 20-year-old ICE bike. Yes, it won't be as efficient as it was when it was new. But after twenty years, it will get close to the same power and range as the original -- appreciably close. The batteries in an electric motorcycle will need to be replaced, most likely, for it to even function. At what cost? Probably more than an ICE motorcycle the same age would even cost. 3: There is no such thing as clean cobalt; all of it uses child and slave labor. Yes, there are efforts to improve that, and it has been improving for the massive strip mines for lithium, though we're not there yet for ethical (to humans) practices across the board, but there's no such thing as clean cobalt, in that same sense. The carbon offset of mining these minerals is also years off, if you ride constantly, and it starts all over when you have to replace the batteries -- again, at a significant cost. 4: If someone wants a bike they can take to the track, an electric motorcycle ain't it. It's easy to wash away the special coolant, and to extinguish a gasoline fire, should one occur. Someone else I follow on KZread relayed the information they were told by their local track when they wanted to test-ride an electric motorcycle: If the battery is compromised, it will burn for six hours, and is extremely difficult to extinguish. The track will have to shut down until it burns itself out. It isn't as safe, therefore, at a demonstrable level. Again, I love the idea of electric vehicle tech. But there are still so many hurdles to overcome before I can realistically consider one.

I like it. But why the fake gas tank ? ? ?

I'd love to get an electric bike, and I could easily go buy one of these, but almost none of my riding is either anything like city riding, nor less than 100 miles. I like to just get on the bike and ride all afternoon, usually 50+ miles on the highway and 120 to 150 miles total. I would only be able to make it through the day without finding a remote place to charge maybe 1 in 3 times I went out. And a lot of the places I go are pretty rural and I don't see rapid chargers there.

Nice gloves. Are those the Brap Star editions?

@spitescorner

10 ай бұрын

yup

@cjmars822

10 ай бұрын

@@spitescorner Heeeeell Yeah! lol

Do you think you could get more range if eclectic bikes reduced their HP. Maybe give me Royal Enfield power but more range. I'd be okay with the compromise. Also, why not introduce a simple transmission to give a us a highway gear?

MT09SP/Duke 890R performance for 10k more? I’d get a second MT09

Even though its an electric bike, HD still figured out a way to make it leak oil

i really want to ride an e bike now and im still really new

I feel the reason they don't do well with traditional Harley owners - myself included is because it seems to miss the point of why we ride cruisers. They aren't particularly fast, or even particularly convient Compared to other bikes and other modes of transport like cars - its the mechanical feel of the clutch and gears, the sound of the rumble and how it actually makes you feel. It literally makes you smile from the complete sensory overload

@TerraMagnus

10 ай бұрын

Traditional Harley owners were never the target audience

@xophere

10 ай бұрын

Yeah totally and what the livewire really shows me is the HD gets that. The Livewire has a similar feel. It isn't the same but they nailed that it was about feel not just performance or range.

It’s super fun to ride but the price I was shown is astronomical ($27,000 +/-) even after the rebrand. Your spending close to Ninja H2 SX money.

😂😂😂 the intro 😂😂😂

Just as with cars and trucks there are some that are designed to do a distinct job and that is what this is, it is a bike you ride in good weather as a commuter in big cities as he says.

@xophere

10 ай бұрын

Works just fine in the PNW year round. Until there is ice. But otherwise worked great all winter.

I can get a Speed Triple RS, which is faster, comfortable and with more range for how thirsty it is, for less money new. That's what makes electric bikes unappealing.

With current technology, I don't see why a belt is necessary when they can just put a motor in each wheel hub like they do for cars.

I'm not even going to enter the discussion of electric versus ICE. I think that the characterization as a specialized bike in the collection is fair. Since the price exceeds the total of the other 3 bikes I own, I'm not going to try to own one.

HD should make all their tugboats handle like that.

I wouldn't buy it for the same reason I sold my model 3. My problem with electric is charge time and convenience. I think it would be great for someone around town but not for any decent trips. They have a place but it still isn't convenient yet

@xophere

10 ай бұрын

How many miles do you ride your ice bike before you stop? Personally I am fine to hop off every 80 miles. Now what we need is about 2x the chargers. I have done a 750 mile weekend on the bike and it was fine. Only issues where bad numbers on the miliage guess oh meter, a queue at a charger, and a charger location.

@BUGBYTE_

10 ай бұрын

@@xophere on the regular day to day it would be fine. When I ride out of town to Dallas(165 miles) or Houston(195 miles) I ride all the way through. Problems with the range are compounded at highway speeds. I'm not willing to be inconvenienced with 1 30+ minute stop or possibly 2 30+ minute stops on a 2-2.5 hour ride. The technology isn't there yet. I'm spoiled by being able to spend 5-10 minutes to fuel up/pee and go.

I've ridden it. It's an awesome bike but I couldn't ever buy it because of the range & charge time.

Spite logo is a rip on Fort nines F9

It's too bad that Harley-Davidson couldn't distance themselves from LiveWire fast enough. It's telling that they'd quickly spin this off as a separate company. This seems to be very much the MO for the bar and shield brand.

@TerraMagnus

10 ай бұрын

Maybe it was the other way around.

@seafooddiablo5686

10 ай бұрын

Its one of those LW got dumped but we all will see it as they got set free (not dumped) 10 yrs from now.

"Don't give me your math bullshit with tax back... you can't beat my $6k Vulcan S that you like to talk shit about" -My Wife

The into to this video made me chuckle aggressively. This bike seems amazing, but I hate that Harley kneecapped the cheaper S2 Del Mar with idiotic wheels to protect this model....just like they do with their ICE bikes.

Count me in for one of the ones that is going to write it off entirely. 🙋‍♂️

how much did they pay you????

I think you're 100% right about HD and the industry leading changes and drive that they ABSOLUTELY COULD bring, and do better than anyone else. But because they don't, I bought something else. Also, 23k for this is too much. 17k? 18k? Sold

Sportster S is better imo, more of a cruiser but you still get potato sounds, and much stronger top end

So how good is that charger in the livewire when you got actuall electricity, and not that gimped american 120v shit? like can it do 11kw at ~3 400V 16A or even 22kw at ~3 400V 32A like my Zoe? id it can do the latter you should be able to recharge it at home/work in about 1h or less.

Awesome video! I have a part one review on my channel about the HD branded LiveWire. I am all electric with a Tesla and a LiveWire and it’s been an interesting experience, but I have no regrets.

range anxiety bro. i need 300 miles to hit the coast n back. then there's the super long charging times. forever commuters.

I would ride one a whim. But I’ve never own one, Electric technology just isn’t here. If you own a Tesla, you now realize how expensive it is to charge one. The limited range and long charge times at the house make it a hard no.

MSRP needs to drop about $10k before I can take this bike too seriously

What do you mean by little bit less on the highway? 😂 it's completely Half of the city range.

No thanks that’s a hard pass. I didn’t like the numb feeling it gives compared to a ice bike and the range sucks. I have a 70 mile round trip all highway for work. So that’s just enough to get there and back if I don’t play with it and what fun would that be ? I’ll stick to my 08 cbr.

I love the live wire and am ready to swap out my XSR as soon as they get a smidge more range.

We'll look back decades from now and wish that they still made ICE motorcycles.... I'm ok with holding out as long as possible, for as long as gas prices don't get to completely unaffordable absurd levels