A surprisingly interesting differential equation

Here's a differential equation that looks quite simple but yeilds an interesting solution development.
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  • @mohamedhason7838
    @mohamedhason783823 күн бұрын

    everybody gangsta till bro says "okay cool"

  • @theelk801
    @theelk80123 күн бұрын

    if you divide both sides by y’ you can integrate and get x+log(y’)=y’+c and then solve with the W function from there

  • @ivanzivic7531

    @ivanzivic7531

    16 күн бұрын

    I solved that way

  • @MrWael1970
    @MrWael197020 күн бұрын

    Thank you for your effort.

  • @aashilbhutra6207
    @aashilbhutra620723 күн бұрын

    Looks surprisingly pleasing ❤

  • @shivamdahake452
    @shivamdahake45223 күн бұрын

    I could actually solve this, not bad. This seems like something the people who set JEE advanced papers could cook up, but I doubt they would do it. In differential equations, most heavy emphasis is on LDEs and extremely complicated perfect differentials. Double differentials are rarely touched upon.

  • @renesperb
    @renesperb22 күн бұрын

    You should take y'(x) = u(x) to get u' (1-u) = u . After one step you get du/dx = u/ (1-u) ,,which leads to the Lambert function .

  • @letis2madeo995
    @letis2madeo99519 күн бұрын

    What if for some x u is 0 and then for other x 1+du/dy-udu/dy is 0

  • @LydellAaron
    @LydellAaron4 күн бұрын

    That was indeed an interesting result. Natural log having thay additive and multiplicative property with its derivatives....

  • @Reza_Audio
    @Reza_Audio22 күн бұрын

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  • @maths_505

    @maths_505

    22 күн бұрын

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  • @Reza_Audio

    @Reza_Audio

    22 күн бұрын

    @@maths_505 thank you. that's what she needs to learn . very traditional woman lol

  • @renesperb
    @renesperb22 күн бұрын

    The solution y(x) is given by c1 +W(-e^(-x-c2)) +1/2*( W(-e^(- x- c2)) )^2 , W = Lambert-function .

  • @Notthatkindofdr

    @Notthatkindofdr

    21 күн бұрын

    That's what I got too, though a little more general in the form c1 +W(Ae^(-x)) +1/2*( W(Ae^(- x)) )^2 where A can be any constant (including 0).

  • @merwana.2278
    @merwana.227822 күн бұрын

    i didn’t know expressing x in terms of y was acceptable as a solution. I guess here finding the reciprocal to find y in terms of x is impossible

  • @salvadorlopez4463
    @salvadorlopez44637 күн бұрын

    Wich app do u use to write?

  • @graf_paper
    @graf_paper16 күн бұрын

    Is it a meme that EVERY differential equation is interseresting? I'm not saying they are not 😂

  • @henrikstenlund5385
    @henrikstenlund538519 күн бұрын

    Both sides form a differential and can be integrated once. Then the rest can be solved and integrated once more for the final solution

  • @aldrinch8724

    @aldrinch8724

    17 күн бұрын

    How would you integrate the right side? Integration by parts?

  • @henrikstenlund5385

    @henrikstenlund5385

    17 күн бұрын

    @@aldrinch8724 it is already a derivative, just check it out

  • @illumexhisoka6181
    @illumexhisoka618123 күн бұрын

    aren't the purpose of solving a defertial equation is to know what function make the equation true ?

  • @m9l0m6nmelkior7
    @m9l0m6nmelkior720 күн бұрын

    y' + y'' - y'y'' = 0 y'(1 - y") + y" = 0 (1-y")(y'-1) = -1 1-y" = 1/(1-y') y" = 1- 1/(1-y') maybe could use power series from here

  • @zygoloid
    @zygoloid23 күн бұрын

    u=y' => u+u' = uu' => u=(u-1)du/dx If u=0, we get y=k. Otherwise this is separable: => x = Int (u-1)/u du = Int (1 - 1/u) du = u - ln |u| + k Solving for u, we find the Lambert W function appears: ln |u| = u - x - k => u = Ae^(u-x) => -ue^-u = -Ae^-x => u = -W(Ae^-x) (absorbing the - into A) => y = -Int W(Ae^-x) dx This looks scary but is actually very easily solved via substitution. Let t = W(Ae^-x) te^t = Ae^-x (t+1)e^t dt = -Ae^-x dx = -te^t dx => (t+1)dt = -tdx => y = Int t (t+1)/t dt = t²/2 + t + k => y = ½(W(Ae^-x))² + W(Ae^-x) + k.

  • @gregstunts347

    @gregstunts347

    22 күн бұрын

    Kind of crazy how versatile the Lambert W function is at turning equations into the form y = f(x).

  • @Notthatkindofdr

    @Notthatkindofdr

    21 күн бұрын

    That's how I did it too.

  • @emanuellandeholm5657
    @emanuellandeholm565722 күн бұрын

    Nice! Just one thing: 1 + sqrt(t^2) is 1 + |t|, right? I don't see why t couldn't be negative here (5:11)

  • @phiefer3

    @phiefer3

    3 күн бұрын

    I thought of this as well, but then realized that the negative t case is the 3rd solution.

  • @mahmoudfathy2074
    @mahmoudfathy207420 күн бұрын

    constant k !! Heresy

  • @hashemhassani1792
    @hashemhassani179222 күн бұрын

    y+y'=0.5*y'^2 y'^2-2y'-2y=0 y'=1+ - root(1+2y) dx=dy/[1+ - root(1+2y)]

  • @Anonymous-Indian..2003
    @Anonymous-Indian..200323 күн бұрын

    Previous thumbnail looks better 🗿

  • @Kokice5

    @Kokice5

    22 күн бұрын

    What was it?

  • @Irreleman

    @Irreleman

    14 күн бұрын

    @@Kokice5buyigssuygsiubg .. h- Fascinating

  • @royronson8872
    @royronson887219 күн бұрын

    Blank space is neat, Tabula Rosa Anything with those little primes is t'rilling 😆 Amp up the half lives to doubling lives (λ%), you know exactly how they pi'ot

  • @ignaciomoreno9655
    @ignaciomoreno965519 күн бұрын

    I don't get why y" is equal to du/dx and it can't be equal to du/dy. Could someone explain it to me?

  • @cooperbutler-brown7283

    @cooperbutler-brown7283

    9 күн бұрын

    y’ is the derivative of with respect to something. Often it is dy/dx. Since y” is the next derivative your multiplying the equation by d/dx. To get du/dy you’d end up multiplying both sides by d/dy. This doesnt work because y’*d/dy is just d/dx and not y”. TLDR write y’ in fractional notation and it should become clearer

  • @7yamkr
    @7yamkr22 күн бұрын

    This seems like proper question for jee advanced Okay cool.

  • @adarshjha2873
    @adarshjha287320 күн бұрын

    sir please make a video on the tough questions of calculus of Jee ADVANCED 🙏. regards from india

  • @shivamdahake452

    @shivamdahake452

    19 күн бұрын

    He covers higher topics in calculus like complex analysis, double integration and functions like gamma, beta, zeta etc. JEE advanced is high school math but more complicated, he covers some questions but those questions are too basic for him. Mai bhi advanced de rha hu vaise, are you appearing the next month or are you in grade 11 or 12

  • @shoujungu1043
    @shoujungu104318 күн бұрын

    at 2:59, du/dy is a symbol of derivative, why it can be treated as a fraction?

  • @alphazero339

    @alphazero339

    18 күн бұрын

    Well rigorously you can't but math will be easier for you if you think of it as fraction. For example chain rule is easier to remember if you tell yourself "I have dy/dx so I expand the fraction by du and get dy/du * du/dx" or while parametrizing integration with respect to 𝘥𝘴 you divide and multiply by 𝘥𝘵 and get 𝘥𝘴/𝘥𝘵 * 𝘥𝘵 which implies you are now integrating with respect to 𝘥𝘵 and multiply the integrated function by 𝘥𝘴/𝘥𝘵.

  • @asparkdeity8717

    @asparkdeity8717

    17 күн бұрын

    Generally u cannot, it is just a shorthand and intuitive way of saying “let’s integrate both sides”. Formally however, treating it as fractions does work as each element dy and dx simply represent infinitesimally small elements, where standard elementary manipulations apply

  • @tomholroyd7519
    @tomholroyd75194 күн бұрын

    prime notation is very annoying because you don't know that y' means dy/dx ... where did the x go? y' might be dy/dt?

  • @mikedl1105
    @mikedl110518 күн бұрын

    Why do I feel like I'm gonna see some e in here

  • @Fire_Axus
    @Fire_Axus19 күн бұрын

    If we solve a general quintic equation using a combination of standard radicals and bring radicals, what would the final formula look like?

  • @BridgeBum
    @BridgeBum22 күн бұрын

    One quick thing, unless i missed something i think you dropped a negative in your last integral. The integral of -1/1-t should be the integral of 1/t-1, which flips the order inside the log both before and after resubstitution. There is a -1 outside that i don't think you brought in, but perhaps i missed something.

  • @Jalina69

    @Jalina69

    22 күн бұрын

    I also thought there was a negative missing first, but int 1/(t-1) is ln|t-1| and int d(1-t)/(1-t) is ln|1-t|, both yield the same result since ln is taken by abs value

  • @saeednazeri7480
    @saeednazeri74802 күн бұрын

    Implicit solution does not make sense. It is beautiful to find y=f(x) and try that in the first equation.

  • @emmanueldavid118
    @emmanueldavid11815 күн бұрын

    nice

  • @rv706
    @rv70622 күн бұрын

    It's first order in y'

  • @edmundwoolliams1240
    @edmundwoolliams124022 күн бұрын

    I tried to solve it but then got the yucky integral(W(-1/(ke^x)))dx 😂

  • @maths_505

    @maths_505

    22 күн бұрын

    And now's your chance to name the integral so we can spam it as a solution in closed form😂

  • @edmundwoolliams1240

    @edmundwoolliams1240

    22 күн бұрын

    The "Ookaay-cool." function

  • @SuperMagic910
    @SuperMagic91018 күн бұрын

    e^x

  • @sadi_supercell2132
    @sadi_supercell213223 күн бұрын

    Iam 100th like 😮👌

  • @Aditya_196
    @Aditya_19623 күн бұрын

    😭 I was about to sleep

  • @sayujiminto-gb6vv
    @sayujiminto-gb6vv23 күн бұрын

    Amths

  • @noobymaster6980
    @noobymaster698023 күн бұрын

    Now do y’ + y’’ = y’/y’’ 🙃 Or maybe y’’/y’

  • @Notthatkindofdr

    @Notthatkindofdr

    21 күн бұрын

    The first one seems harder because it is quadratic in y''. But the second one can be done like the equation in the video. I think it turns out to be y = 1/W(Ae^x) + W(Ae^x) - x + C for constants A, C.

  • @YahontAction
    @YahontAction23 күн бұрын

    По сравнению с теми несобственными интегралами, решениями которых я любуюсь на этом канале, это дифференциальное уравнение слишком простое для уровня контента этого канала. И действительность, это всего лишь - обыкновенное дифференциальное уравнение, второго порядка с разделяющими переменными, которое легко решается с помощью подстановки снижающей порядок уравнения. Такие уравнения решали пачками в студенческие времена. То ли дело решать несобственные интегралы, от там начинается самое оно - искусство высшей математики (В.М,), когда в ход идут знания со всех разделов В.М.

  • @Jalina69

    @Jalina69

    21 күн бұрын

    Можно чтото и попроще для разнообразия. Я многие сама не могу решить, просто смотрю(

  • @giuseppemalaguti435
    @giuseppemalaguti43523 күн бұрын

    y+y'=(1/2)(y')^2+c...e.d.di 2 grado???..(y')^2-2(y')-2y+2c=0..(y')=1+√(1+2(y-c))..(ah ahahah)..dy/dx=1+√(1+2(y-c))...dy/(1+√(1+2(y-c)))=dx..integro.. risulta..√(1+2(y-c))-ln(1+√(1+2(y-c)))=x+c2..non so se si può fare, ahahah