A surprisingly interesting differential equation
Here's a differential equation that looks quite simple but yeilds an interesting solution development.
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if you divide both sides by y’ you can integrate and get x+log(y’)=y’+c and then solve with the W function from there
@ivanzivic7531
16 күн бұрын
I solved that way
Thank you for your effort.
Looks surprisingly pleasing ❤
I could actually solve this, not bad. This seems like something the people who set JEE advanced papers could cook up, but I doubt they would do it. In differential equations, most heavy emphasis is on LDEs and extremely complicated perfect differentials. Double differentials are rarely touched upon.
You should take y'(x) = u(x) to get u' (1-u) = u . After one step you get du/dx = u/ (1-u) ,,which leads to the Lambert function .
What if for some x u is 0 and then for other x 1+du/dy-udu/dy is 0
That was indeed an interesting result. Natural log having thay additive and multiplicative property with its derivatives....
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22 күн бұрын
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22 күн бұрын
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The solution y(x) is given by c1 +W(-e^(-x-c2)) +1/2*( W(-e^(- x- c2)) )^2 , W = Lambert-function .
@Notthatkindofdr
21 күн бұрын
That's what I got too, though a little more general in the form c1 +W(Ae^(-x)) +1/2*( W(Ae^(- x)) )^2 where A can be any constant (including 0).
i didn’t know expressing x in terms of y was acceptable as a solution. I guess here finding the reciprocal to find y in terms of x is impossible
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Is it a meme that EVERY differential equation is interseresting? I'm not saying they are not 😂
Both sides form a differential and can be integrated once. Then the rest can be solved and integrated once more for the final solution
@aldrinch8724
17 күн бұрын
How would you integrate the right side? Integration by parts?
@henrikstenlund5385
17 күн бұрын
@@aldrinch8724 it is already a derivative, just check it out
aren't the purpose of solving a defertial equation is to know what function make the equation true ?
y' + y'' - y'y'' = 0 y'(1 - y") + y" = 0 (1-y")(y'-1) = -1 1-y" = 1/(1-y') y" = 1- 1/(1-y') maybe could use power series from here
u=y' => u+u' = uu' => u=(u-1)du/dx If u=0, we get y=k. Otherwise this is separable: => x = Int (u-1)/u du = Int (1 - 1/u) du = u - ln |u| + k Solving for u, we find the Lambert W function appears: ln |u| = u - x - k => u = Ae^(u-x) => -ue^-u = -Ae^-x => u = -W(Ae^-x) (absorbing the - into A) => y = -Int W(Ae^-x) dx This looks scary but is actually very easily solved via substitution. Let t = W(Ae^-x) te^t = Ae^-x (t+1)e^t dt = -Ae^-x dx = -te^t dx => (t+1)dt = -tdx => y = Int t (t+1)/t dt = t²/2 + t + k => y = ½(W(Ae^-x))² + W(Ae^-x) + k.
@gregstunts347
22 күн бұрын
Kind of crazy how versatile the Lambert W function is at turning equations into the form y = f(x).
@Notthatkindofdr
21 күн бұрын
That's how I did it too.
Nice! Just one thing: 1 + sqrt(t^2) is 1 + |t|, right? I don't see why t couldn't be negative here (5:11)
@phiefer3
3 күн бұрын
I thought of this as well, but then realized that the negative t case is the 3rd solution.
constant k !! Heresy
y+y'=0.5*y'^2 y'^2-2y'-2y=0 y'=1+ - root(1+2y) dx=dy/[1+ - root(1+2y)]
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@Kokice5
22 күн бұрын
What was it?
@Irreleman
14 күн бұрын
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I don't get why y" is equal to du/dx and it can't be equal to du/dy. Could someone explain it to me?
@cooperbutler-brown7283
9 күн бұрын
y’ is the derivative of with respect to something. Often it is dy/dx. Since y” is the next derivative your multiplying the equation by d/dx. To get du/dy you’d end up multiplying both sides by d/dy. This doesnt work because y’*d/dy is just d/dx and not y”. TLDR write y’ in fractional notation and it should become clearer
This seems like proper question for jee advanced Okay cool.
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@shivamdahake452
19 күн бұрын
He covers higher topics in calculus like complex analysis, double integration and functions like gamma, beta, zeta etc. JEE advanced is high school math but more complicated, he covers some questions but those questions are too basic for him. Mai bhi advanced de rha hu vaise, are you appearing the next month or are you in grade 11 or 12
at 2:59, du/dy is a symbol of derivative, why it can be treated as a fraction?
@alphazero339
18 күн бұрын
Well rigorously you can't but math will be easier for you if you think of it as fraction. For example chain rule is easier to remember if you tell yourself "I have dy/dx so I expand the fraction by du and get dy/du * du/dx" or while parametrizing integration with respect to 𝘥𝘴 you divide and multiply by 𝘥𝘵 and get 𝘥𝘴/𝘥𝘵 * 𝘥𝘵 which implies you are now integrating with respect to 𝘥𝘵 and multiply the integrated function by 𝘥𝘴/𝘥𝘵.
@asparkdeity8717
17 күн бұрын
Generally u cannot, it is just a shorthand and intuitive way of saying “let’s integrate both sides”. Formally however, treating it as fractions does work as each element dy and dx simply represent infinitesimally small elements, where standard elementary manipulations apply
prime notation is very annoying because you don't know that y' means dy/dx ... where did the x go? y' might be dy/dt?
Why do I feel like I'm gonna see some e in here
If we solve a general quintic equation using a combination of standard radicals and bring radicals, what would the final formula look like?
One quick thing, unless i missed something i think you dropped a negative in your last integral. The integral of -1/1-t should be the integral of 1/t-1, which flips the order inside the log both before and after resubstitution. There is a -1 outside that i don't think you brought in, but perhaps i missed something.
@Jalina69
22 күн бұрын
I also thought there was a negative missing first, but int 1/(t-1) is ln|t-1| and int d(1-t)/(1-t) is ln|1-t|, both yield the same result since ln is taken by abs value
Implicit solution does not make sense. It is beautiful to find y=f(x) and try that in the first equation.
nice
It's first order in y'
I tried to solve it but then got the yucky integral(W(-1/(ke^x)))dx 😂
@maths_505
22 күн бұрын
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22 күн бұрын
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Now do y’ + y’’ = y’/y’’ 🙃 Or maybe y’’/y’
@Notthatkindofdr
21 күн бұрын
The first one seems harder because it is quadratic in y''. But the second one can be done like the equation in the video. I think it turns out to be y = 1/W(Ae^x) + W(Ae^x) - x + C for constants A, C.
По сравнению с теми несобственными интегралами, решениями которых я любуюсь на этом канале, это дифференциальное уравнение слишком простое для уровня контента этого канала. И действительность, это всего лишь - обыкновенное дифференциальное уравнение, второго порядка с разделяющими переменными, которое легко решается с помощью подстановки снижающей порядок уравнения. Такие уравнения решали пачками в студенческие времена. То ли дело решать несобственные интегралы, от там начинается самое оно - искусство высшей математики (В.М,), когда в ход идут знания со всех разделов В.М.
@Jalina69
21 күн бұрын
Можно чтото и попроще для разнообразия. Я многие сама не могу решить, просто смотрю(
y+y'=(1/2)(y')^2+c...e.d.di 2 grado???..(y')^2-2(y')-2y+2c=0..(y')=1+√(1+2(y-c))..(ah ahahah)..dy/dx=1+√(1+2(y-c))...dy/(1+√(1+2(y-c)))=dx..integro.. risulta..√(1+2(y-c))-ln(1+√(1+2(y-c)))=x+c2..non so se si può fare, ahahah