Thank a lot!

Thank you for this interview! This is so exciting. I read F X Durrwell's The Resurrection thirty years ago, which included an analysis of the Resurrection in light of Hebrews and Yom Kippur. That book changes my life. So great to discover Dr. Moffitt's scholarship.

First, another useful conversation with an exceptional guest. You might consider making a "short" of the summary as it ties together the theological and the practical. Second, I hope Pastor Mike Winger listens to this and/or reads the book as he develops his upcoming study of Hebrews. Third, does Dr. Moffitt address PSA in the book or papers he has written?

I was skeptical upon seeing the title. So many people think we need to rethink the atonement just because they don't like the bloody aspect of it, or the fact that we are actually sinful and need our sentence paid, or that God is actually just and needs to judge the world. But I do get really frustrated when people act like saying there's MORE to the Atonement than just Penal Substitution is heretical. I'm not denying PSA, I'm just saying you're missing some of the beauty of the Atonement when you reduce it to just PSA. This was an excellent talk, perhaps the best exploration of the topic I've ever heard. Not denying the death being part of it, but pointing out the absolute essentialness of the oft neglected resurrection and ascension, and how they were connected to the Old Testament sacrifices all along.

@isaiahburridgemusic

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't agree more. One of his recent guests made such a big deal of the fact that Jesus was punished on our behalf. When asked about Isaiah 53, he just brushed it off and basically admitted to not having an answer for it. Some of these scholars are insufferable with some of the ways they simply jettison scriptures that plainly debunk their thesis.

@danielcartwright8868

7 ай бұрын

Saying that people who oppose PSA do so because they don't like the bloody aspect to it is a strawman at best and a complete lie at worst. People come to disagree with it for a variety of reasons, but at the end of the day it just matters if it's true. Also, I would argue that PSA actually undermines God judging the world. Biblical judgment and justice involves setting things right; it also involves doing mercy to the poor. Biblical mercy and justice are not opposites that need to be reconciled. Biblical justice also requires that perpetrators take responsibility for their actions and take part in healing the community. The idea of God punishing an innocent person in place of a guilty one is a shallow and unbiblical notion of justice.

@KevinDay

7 ай бұрын

@@danielcartwright8868 I said "so many people" not "everyone." There absolutely are plenty of people who just don't like thinking they actually deserve the death Jesus died. If it were God just randomly choosing to punish an innocent person to punish a guilty one, you MIGHT have a point. But of course ignoring the fact that Jesus laid his own life down for our sake is the real shallow reading. Frankly it's almost maliciously ignorant to focus only on the Father when critiquing PSA.

@danielcartwright8868

7 ай бұрын

​@@KevinDayMy critique didn't really have to do with which member of the Godhead was focused on. My point was that, biblically speaking, justice involves the perpetrators taking responsibility and taking part in healing the damage they caused, like by caring for someone they injured or paying restitution to someone they robbed. Simply punishing a substitute and letting the wrongdoer off the hook is not biblical justice. I would argue that Jesus partook in our humanity so that we could partake in His divine life, thus requiring us to cooperate with Him in undoing the damage caused by sin, which is in keeping with biblical justice. As far as 'deserving the death Jesus died' I would just out the fact that several early church fathers, such as Irenaeus and Athenasius, believed that death was actually imposed as a means of protecting us from immortalizing the corruption of sin, not as a retributive punishment.

@Convexhull210

6 ай бұрын

Other theories may be true as part of a larger theory of atonement but the central theme of the atonement is PSA.

Hi 😊

Hello! I’m wondering what professor has to say regarding a commonplace objection to the doctrine of the atonement, that is, the second person of Trinity must become incarnate, live a perfect life among other things, and die in order to atone for our sins. Many people argue that this is inconsistent with perfect being theism. Many Christian philosophers have offered excellent responses to this objection but I would love to hear the professor’s answer

There was no atonement directly at the Cross, only the change of covenant. My Ytube video 'Atonement. Is it Salvation? No. #29 Myths in so-called Christianity '.