Hi everyone! Thank you so much for the incredible support you've shown for this video. My channel has grown almost 100x as large because of you guys and I am so so so grateful for you all. I'm kicking off Bonby Season 2 with a bang tonight in a new video responding to all of your comments & critiques. Check it out here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m2GZ15adpsvFdKg.html

"How I secretly made a statistical analysis to trick my chat"

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Lmao, I saw a lot of people were saying that in his chat. Can confirm I have never made a single dollar from KZread or Ludwig lol

@patternz777

4 ай бұрын

@@b0nbyy >> yet

I love how some players clearly had special abilities, like Lily's summon Michael and Will's rage buff when Caroline got hit in the face.

better get this guy on commentary next year

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

^^^This comment. Problem is I’d be OP asf on the court, they’d have to have me as a coach or a sideline reporter or something.

@Aurora_Animates

2 ай бұрын

@@b0nbyy:) ❤

I primarily watched the tournament as a PointCrow fan, and I was sure his dodges and that legendary comeback play would have put him pretty high up. It's fascinating to see how much your perspective can get skewed.

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Definitely - when I first started this project I thought for sure that Michael Reeves would come out on top. I think my perspective was skewed by the game he played against Twitch. The final results are really not about the specific highlights that get clipped / shared / memorized. It’s a marathon, not a sprint.

@KSan357

4 ай бұрын

It's funny because I'm the opposite. as a huge Ludwig fan I'm surprised he's so high. I feel like he was sitting out the majority of his games

@aylinilya.

4 ай бұрын

@@b0nbyyi mean ludwig did run a half marathon, he doesn’t like to mention it but it was 13 miles uphill

Realizing how good Ludwig actually was a cold splash of water to the face. Stung at first, but refreshing. I appreciate the immense work you put into this.

Great video, slight correction: at 5:39, the example doesn’t mean you are 1% better than the other player. Technically you are 1% more accurate, but when compared to another player, you would be 6% better than them, as your accuracy is 6% better when compared to theirs (16.7 * 1.06 = 17.7), with yours being 1% higher raw score. An important distinction, as a player with 33% accuracy would be 200% better than an average player, having a shooting average 16% higher.

youtube knows exactly what i want to see. great video

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! Algorithm is definitely showing it some love. Glad to hear my target demographic is being reached.

I think if will Neff didn't spend most of the final match throwing left-handed, not throwing at all, lobbing the ball up to give people easy catches, etc he would have been 1st team.

I wonder how the stats would swing if we added parameters for dodging a targeted throw as well as time spent on court (vs in the out box) :o I saw another thread about how people thought Michael and PointCrow would've been higher, and I wonder if this would've reflected that because a lot of their clutch plays weren't strikes but dodges

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Great point, definitely agree - I’ve heard a few others say this too. Here’s the problem: what counts as a dodge? If the ball comes within 5ft of you? 3ft? 1ft? If you have to physically move to avoid being hit? What if someone just makes a really bad throw, does that count as a dodge for the targeted player? Dodge statistics just open up a whole new can of worms as far as “creative interpretation” goes. I tried to incorporate this at the aggregate level, e.g. Sapnap had the least outs per game, so he gets an award for that. But you’d really have to get into the weeds to decide how many official “dodges” each player had and make some tough calls in a lot of places. Targeting statistics are probably the best alternative bogey in my opinion. Nonetheless, I appreciate the thoughtful comment! Thanks for checking out the video, glad to see some others putting some serious thought into this.

@lucar6897

4 ай бұрын

One possible way to get most ‘dodges’ is to weigh each time they were targeted but not hit by how accurate the thrower is (ie. more points if the thrower had a high accuracy score)

@DIVAD291

4 ай бұрын

​@@b0nbyy You don't need to define a dodge as anything more than "didn't get hit when targeted" and you're already interpreting who the target was. if the average accuracy is 25%, a player that gets hit 20% of the time they are targeted is probably dodging more than a player getting hit 30% of the time. We don't need to know which ones are "actual" dodges and which ones were just gimmies...it should roughly even out in the aggregate in the same way that we didn't worry too much about which strikes were "actual" strikes and which ones were just gimmies.

@DMAN123223

4 ай бұрын

@@b0nbyy One method to control for the quality of throws is using the sum of targets taken multiplied by each thrower's accuracy rating. The quality of the throws is averaged out in the accuracy score anyway, so someone who dodges a target from a high quality thower like Slime should be awarded a higher score for that miss beacause the cost of slime missing a shot is higher than another player with a lower average accuracy. By incorperating the average quality of throws you can approximate the average quality of dodges. So a player who's targeted by a playing with 10% accuracy and no hit can be awared 0.1 points, because we think that's a lower quality throw anyway, and a player who's targeted with a 20% accuracy and no hit can be awarded 0.2 points because it should be more likely that ball would hit.

@stnbl1569

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@b0nbyyI think an interesting statistic would be targets/out, just showing on average how much a player needed to be targeted to get out. This is a good way to give kudos to people constantly dodging and showing who is staying on the court soaking up targets

10:12 Sapnap has an unorthodox movement pattern from playing in (and winning) so many MCC dodgebolts!!!

@melliferou

4 ай бұрын

To quote the announcer at the time "he's so bouncy," boy's got hops

lugwig played this on stream great vid

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Thank you!

@decivempictures2860

4 ай бұрын

wait when? is therte a vod to watch?

Was there a notable difference in will's performance after caroline got hit in her face. It felt like it and will also mentioned it

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

I thought the same thing - if I remember correctly, it took Will about 30 seconds to get revenge on Stanz for the headshot, so there's that. Otherwise, I think Will definitely would have ranked higher if he hadn't taken it easy on Team KZread. He intentionally started throwing in the championship game to give Team KZread a couple wins.

Really sick video, I love analysis videos like this and you did an amazing job

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Hope you stick around for the next one.

This was an awesome video! Sucks that your channel is so small atm, definitely underrated - if you keep up such entertaining down to earth content I can see you going super far with it! Please please please keep it up, can’t wait to see more videos like this

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so so so much for the kind words. I won’t let you down. New videos are already in the works…

I love how you can tell you are a stathead and how well done/serious this is, so good

Feel really lucky to have found this on my feed, really enjoyed it and keen to see what you do next!

I love this video. Not sure if you already knew this, but when comparing percentages (like at 5:31) you should phrase it as "1 percentage point better." It would help make the stats easier to understand. At 8:30 it isn't clear if Slime is 10% above the average (16.7*1.1=18.37) or if he is 10 percentage points above the average (26.7%) Thank you for all of your effort in this video. Can't wait to watch your future content.

@SerenD23

4 ай бұрын

He explained it. He’s using VORP with presents as percentage points above average

@DrMrMLG

4 ай бұрын

You would use "basis points" to avoid confusion e.g. @ 5:31 100 basis points higher than average

Another certified Bonby banger

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Hereby ratified and confirmed. Thanks brotha

Here from will neffs stream - great video!!

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Will's community is awesome.

I think the only thing missing from the point system is a way to include the dodges you are able to do, like Poincrow was targeted 33.3 times a mach and was out only 4.3 times, wich means he was able to waste 29 shots from the other team (the best at that stat) but he doesn't get points for that

Solid work on the data collection and analyses

Thoroughly enjoyed this - the data entry must have been hell!

Would love to see more data vids like this!! great work

Oh boy, that outro music hit me with a wave of nostalgia. Great work on the analysis!

Awesome video man.. Hope to see this back next year

For the first time I'm glad the algorithm pussed a smaller creator on to my page.... Love the vid keep up the work♥

Okay so can we talk about how damn good your editing is? You're about to blow up dude

earned my sub 100%. you're nuts man, i love this kind of analysis

Great video! I love this style of stuff, would love to see more if you're into continuing this kind of video. It does take a lot of time, but I feel like you could be the SummoningSalt of streamer-event-statistical-analysis videos

Great Video, thanks for creating this. For someone who enjoys stats a lot, I enjoyed the video

Great video! I want to see more!

This was a really cool little tidbit of statistical analysis. I always hated stats class and never really got the real world application, but this seems pretty cool.

this is exactly the kind of content I didn’t know I needed

Dude this is amazing! Crazy stats!

I never comment, but your extra insight on slight improvements were genuine good ideas. Great vid!

Exceedingly well put together video man good work

Finally the content I’ve been waiting for.

If there's one thing I love, it's some good data

That was a great video! Glad to see you get more exposure with the current number of views, deserved

this is actually sick, thanks for making this

This kicked ass. Absolutely awesome job man!

I love this intersection of data/stats and content creators. I imagine the bulk of the time spent here HAD to be manually entering the 2400 data points while scrubbing the video. If only there was an automated way to grab data from streamer events the analysis could be CRAZY.

amazing review of the event, thx for the video

This was super fun. Thank you so much for this video

Fantastic video man! Good quality, keep it up!!

this us so wicked!! definitely subbed

i genuinely gasped when i saw that you only had 800 subscribers then immediately subbed

This man has a VOICE and it needs to he heard MORE this was a fantastic analysis and loved to see your algorithms as a math nerd myself 😂❤

woah what a great video! ididn't really watch the dodgeball event becuase it was late at night for me, but ive enjoyed the content around it and your video is my favourite! keep it up!

Dude this video is really well made

This definitely deserves at least 69,000 views. What a great video. I love this, and hope it gets to at least 420,000 views.

Its interesting to see the raw stats like this, cool stuff! Id be fascinated to see a weighted stat system where how many team mates were left vs how many opponents would effect scores for getting strikes and outs. A round where most of your team is alive at the end is definitely less valuable in terms of personal stats vs a round like Michaels with the 1v4 clutch to bring it back. Kinda in my mind how Valorant weights how and when kills & rounds won effect personal score compared to raw stat & team scores. I feel like dodges also would have been a fun stat to see written out as well. As briefly mentioned with the Michael in the YT VS Twitch match with how many times he was targeted vs how many times he was 'struck' resulting in these clutched rounds

Not knowing anything about Basketball is apparently a huge barrier to entry.

I love stuff like this keep up the great work 🙌

I think assists would be interesting as a half point. A miss that was followed immediately by a point for another player. If you were often the aggressor, it creates more opportunities for other players to get points

Great video man! Keep up the quality :)

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Will do. Thanks!

Hard work went into making this, good job man 👍👍

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Yes indeed, glad it paid off!

I love seeing data like this! Crazy cool video :)

I absolutely loved this video, It felt like discussing baseball statistics with friends. and speaking of baseball, for the next event, if the average is different enough, you do VORP+. In general I think you should add more statistics next time just for the overall silliness of some statistics.

Didnt even watch the dodgeball tournament but very happy to watch the analysis!

Great video. Thanks for sharing.

itd be cool to have like a task people have to do before the draft and the people who do the best are the captains, something where people would have a largely even playing field, maybe an obscure quiz or a human benchmark type thing

It's a great investigation! Congrats!

Loved this video, it’s criminal you don’t even have 1000 subscribers yet

as someone who loves baseball stats i think you could do some fun things here. some stats you could implement would be how much someone was targeted vs actually hit, or what was the order someone got out in and how long they usually lasted. you could also see how well particular players do against each other, for example how well ludwig does when targeted by certain players or teams vs others. this is super cool amazing video

Ludwig gonna brag about this for years

Great video cool data set

amazing dedication! here from Ludwig's live :))

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Thanks so much! Hope you stick around to see the next video.

the internet needs this, ty

If they do another one with the draft format someone is definitely gonna come to you and Moneyball their way to an insane team

What amazing content, I'm shocked I found you at 1k subs. You're gonna grow fast man, great vid

this is fantastic work, thanks for making this video, defintely deserves one of my rare comments!

This was a very good video and i really enjoyed keep up

For all you statistics students who are talking about significance: IT DOESN’T APPLY because the sample is not in fact a sample and is instead the population, and it’s not being extrapolated out into general dodgeball or dodgeball for said person, it is event specific.

Bonby rigged the event

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Conspiracy theory nonsense. You’re ruining my chances of getting invited to Creator Basketball this year bro chill

Great video, hope ludwig reacts to this

A great video that I didn't know I wanted

If they do another creator dodgeball or if you do another video with more data I'd love to see throws separated into: Off-Target, On-Target Dodged, On-Target Blocked/Catched & On-Target Hit. This would give a clearer idea to the quality of a players throws and quality of a players defensive ability.

Love the intro :D

Great video! Glad KZread didn't shit the bed in delivering new content to me for once

I hope you pop off man. You’re insane for looking through all this data, in the best way possible

Great video dude!

𝓵𝓮𝓽𝓼 𝓳𝓾𝓲𝓬𝓮 𝓲𝓽

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

❤️

Really well made video! keep it up

really great video!

W need more videos like this

here from ludwig live 👇👇

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

I cannot believe that was real life.

@stylishgaby

4 ай бұрын

Hi, are you aware if I can see a replay of the live anywhere ?

@_grouch

4 ай бұрын

@@stylishgaby kzread.info/dash/bejne/eZiBu7iagMmvhdo.html

@azmilog

4 ай бұрын

@@stylishgaby ludwig vods channel!

@christophero1496

4 ай бұрын

​@@stylishgaby Hi, I found it :), its in his recent vod on ranking mobile games at the very end

This was an epic video, i hope ludwig watches it

I watched more of this video than the event itself

Really interesting video! Thanks 🙏

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

My pleasure - glad you enjoyed it!

Man, thats some good stuff, and I think it generally aligns well with the results we saw. I think generally the system works and gave results that mostly align with what we expect. One of the things with dodgeball is target selection is very imporant. Obviously poor accuracy is being punished so targeting someone who is very good at dodging is a bad idea. However there is little that supports the "inteligence" of target selection in taking out top name players.

Im amazed will neff wasnt in the top bracket of players. I feel like as soon as caroline got smacked in the face will just turned into a new breed of player and dominated the game well and truly

I can’t wait for more tournaments so we can start getting a Wins Above Replacement stat

We Will Watch Your Career With Great Interest.

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Even when I turn to the dark side of the force and become Darth Bonby?

Just subbed😎 this is high quality video brother

Amazing quality video! Just wow!

here from ludwig stream, sick video

@b0nbyy

4 ай бұрын

Thank you so much! Appreciate the love ❤️

Great video!

Outro song is legendary takes me back to Mr Sark days