A Song of Rogues and Ravens | Prince Daemon and Bloodraven

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History doesn’t always repeat in A Song of Ice and Fire but it certainly does rhyme. This can be through events, settings, and characters. 2 characters who seem very different on the surface and yet are actually very similar in personality are also 2 of the most magnificent bastards created by author George RR Martin - the Rogue Prince, Daemon Targaryen and his great-grandson the bastard-born lord, Brynden Rivers.
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  • @GrayArea
    @GrayArea15 күн бұрын

    Yesssss!!! Tim you knocked this out of the park!!!

  • @KimberLefaye
    @KimberLefaye15 күн бұрын

    My two favorite shades of Grey are Area and Waste! I'm so happy to see this collaboration and am loving the lore updates!

  • @feistyfan2344

    @feistyfan2344

    15 күн бұрын

    ❤❤❤ SAME

  • @chessmesstime
    @chessmesstime15 күн бұрын

    It was interesting we got that trippy time jump before Daemon met Willem Blackwood. The two ancestors of BloodRaven, forging the first alliance between their families.

  • @schemeteam2954

    @schemeteam2954

    14 күн бұрын

    Yes and it makes sense even more now how similar they are.

  • @wallybonejengles5595
    @wallybonejengles559515 күн бұрын

    I have a feeling Daemon is the kind of guy who would have gone DEEP into the Firstmen/Weirwood lore if he hadn't grown up the direct legacy of the Dragonlords and so immersed in his heritage. Thats what was prominent to him but he is a naturally adventurous guy. To him its all fables told by the conquered little people, until he realizes its real and it shakes his foundation of reality. It is poetic for him to be the first Targaryen wedded to the trees, it makes sense when you consider it is from him and Rhaenyra that the Ice and Fire prophecy line stems.

  • @nbagirl01
    @nbagirl0115 күн бұрын

    "This is your only warning.the books have been out for years!" Yeah!

  • @citizen_wayne

    @citizen_wayne

    15 күн бұрын

    I also am a person who fucking hates spoilers when unsolicited. But I wholeheartedly agree with Tim on this. If a work has been out for 10+ years, fuck off with whining about spoilers. Are people just never supposed to discuss films and books that they've seen and wait around for you to get to it? It's just weirdly entitled at that point.

  • @a.m.pietroschek1972

    @a.m.pietroschek1972

    14 күн бұрын

    So what? As they still believe a GRRM unable to deliver for 10 years COULD have written all those books.

  • @nbagirl01

    @nbagirl01

    14 күн бұрын

    @@a.m.pietroschek1972 it's 2024! Do we really still spill hate for no reason other than being a dick?!

  • @MonachusRex
    @MonachusRex15 күн бұрын

    Considering how big of a fan George is for Daemon. I don't see why he wouldn't make him more OP every opportunity he gets. I bet he somehow survives God's eye and something cool happens afterwards. I'm absolutely here for it. ❤😂

  • @MckenzieCalan

    @MckenzieCalan

    15 күн бұрын

    Hopefully they find Aemonds skull with dark sister through it but placed on the handle of dark sister is the valerian necklace Daemon gave Rheynera.

  • @MonachusRex

    @MonachusRex

    15 күн бұрын

    ​@@MckenzieCalan They have to show that. I think the show ends with Daemon's two sons embracing each other finally after years.

  • @Funaabas

    @Funaabas

    15 күн бұрын

    @@MckenzieCalanthat would be a happy ending.

  • @Guinnessdrnkr1234

    @Guinnessdrnkr1234

    15 күн бұрын

    If the dragons hit the water of The God's Eye Lake and break the surface tension before Deamon dropped in, he could have survived the fall. I think.

  • @latj16x

    @latj16x

    15 күн бұрын

    This actually makes sense grrm mentioned multiple times daemon is his favorite character lol im pretty sure he will survive the gods eye battle because grrm already been writing new things for aemond character in season 3 & season 4

  • @Mr.Brightside8810
    @Mr.Brightside881015 күн бұрын

    I love the breakdown. I never really considered how much Daemon has in common with Bloodraven

  • @EarnestTargenfyre

    @EarnestTargenfyre

    13 күн бұрын

    They're family after all!

  • @fisherlard
    @fisherlard15 күн бұрын

    “George ‘Riz Riz’ Martin” had me heaving 😂😂😂

  • @RedJimbaRivers

    @RedJimbaRivers

    14 күн бұрын

    i had to pause because I was laughing so hard

  • @ieatzebraarah
    @ieatzebraarah14 күн бұрын

    What a well thought out theory Tim you killed it with this one! Love the deep dive into House Massey they definitely get overlooked when the first men debate comes up

  • @worldadventuretravel
    @worldadventuretravel15 күн бұрын

    I think that Daemon's in-world ayahuasca trips are all being orchestrated from King's Landing through Larys Strong's greensight and weirwood magic.

  • @GeeNoniGee

    @GeeNoniGee

    15 күн бұрын

    Larys straight up said Daemon would be too distracted at Harrenal to handle anything. How did he know that? Because he KNOWS. I wonder if that's Larys' old room and weirwood bed?

  • @jonhauge-evaldsson783

    @jonhauge-evaldsson783

    14 күн бұрын

    I think it is Alys who is the boss and feeds Larys info, and tell him what to do. I think she's his mother. Or sister. Maybe aunt.

  • @ianneufville3789
    @ianneufville378915 күн бұрын

    From what i have seen after episode 4 of season 2 of house of the dragons dameon really may become the three eye raven before bloodraven. Also i just thought to myself caraxes bloodwrym- brendon rivers bloodraven cant wait for a night a seven kingdoms the bloodraven character gonna be so important

  • @jimmyjames24
    @jimmyjames2414 күн бұрын

    I love this theory. In HotD, I took the "You will die in this place" as a similarity to the way Bran Stark "died" in that cave. If Daemon gets a vision of the Night King, i can see him going beyond the wall to fight him (Especially if the secret of ASOIAF died with the other Targaryans).

  • @DamnTheBeavers

    @DamnTheBeavers

    14 күн бұрын

    please nooo..the show is fanfic enough

  • @Ittheyzezermeowpurr

    @Ittheyzezermeowpurr

    13 күн бұрын

    @@DamnTheBeaversthr show isn't fanfic at all

  • @Noochi
    @Noochi15 күн бұрын

    Holy shhh iiiit! This dudes awesome. Thanks GA🐺 for bringing me here. 🙌🏼

  • @downtown_clownybrown
    @downtown_clownybrown15 күн бұрын

    we need a voice-over video of daemon the cat explaining HOTD while tim sits in his lap and purrs

  • @jobobtargaryen1258
    @jobobtargaryen125815 күн бұрын

    I love Bloodraven, can't wait to see him in the dunk and egg show.

  • @hollyrusso5476
    @hollyrusso547615 күн бұрын

    Absolutely love it! Can’t wait for more from you and GreyArea

  • @BTOXlC21
    @BTOXlC2114 күн бұрын

    Editor’s note: you need a card that compares their similarities side by side, checking all the boxes that sum up to the totality of evidence of daemon becoming the proto-3 Eyed Raven

  • @SoilToSoul
    @SoilToSoul15 күн бұрын

    If this is going where I am pretty sure it is going, this will already be my head canon. I don't claim to be a green seer or anything, but I have a good idea and it makes too much sense to me! LML will just have to disagree lol.

  • @ryuhayabusa3302

    @ryuhayabusa3302

    14 күн бұрын

    Otherwise what's the point of all the nightmares at Harrenhall, all the visions. But the witch saying you will die in this place is a bit too on the nose and feels like his end won't be open for interpretation. Which would be unfortunate.

  • @efrent-vr3bm
    @efrent-vr3bm15 күн бұрын

    Great video! This is why LML is benching Grey Waste Tim this sunday for ep5 😄

  • @SoCalledGodess
    @SoCalledGodess15 күн бұрын

    Been waiting for this to drop!

  • @christopherwichman7968
    @christopherwichman796815 күн бұрын

    The vast difference between how you and David pronounce triskelon always gets a chuckle out of me lol.

  • @JasonBronner
    @JasonBronner15 күн бұрын

    great info as always, tim.

  • @crd88918
    @crd8891814 күн бұрын

    awesome video tim! many parallels i never considered!

  • @MonachusRex
    @MonachusRex15 күн бұрын

    Bruh Daemon is so gonna turn into a tree wizard 😂😭

  • @magnusnilsson1962
    @magnusnilsson19629 күн бұрын

    Giving the algorithm its well earned appreciation.

  • @ArielEveMachado
    @ArielEveMachado3 күн бұрын

    I always thought that Daemon Targaryen was more like Bittersteel because of the gold cloaks and the Golden Company but I think you’ve converted me. I never realized how much Daemon and Bloodraven had in common. Always love your videos!

  • @quellehellam
    @quellehellam14 күн бұрын

    Awesome work Tim. Really inspiring to see how passionate you are about this world. Hope you can make this a full time gig one day

  • @murp0443
    @murp044313 күн бұрын

    Great job Tim.

  • @JaimeMason
    @JaimeMason15 күн бұрын

    I love Targaryen lore. We need more of your videos & live streams. I was getting used to your Saturday lives. I'm especially interested in your Blackfyre rebellion lore. See you on Dave's channel, Sundays!

  • @manyeyedcrow9391
    @manyeyedcrow939112 күн бұрын

    Excellent video!

  • @user-tj5ur8ng9j
    @user-tj5ur8ng9j12 күн бұрын

    Good work Tim, I'm a fan of you and Dave's collaborations! Your stand alone is coming along nicely sir! High five Daemon for me!

  • @mariannesagard8823
    @mariannesagard882312 күн бұрын

    I love your Intro 💯awsome ,GreyWasteTim 🔥Looking forward to this ,I have watched some of Yours and David Lightbringer 's streams 🔥And I love them!Thank you 🙏🐲🔥

  • @lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615
    @lordofthehouseofstormcrows861514 күн бұрын

    Excellent work my good man. My favorite character is Daemon, then find out that he is Grrms fave Targaryen. Awesome. I'm now subscribed, I'll be around bruddah keep it up.

  • @hinakhodiyara7883
    @hinakhodiyara788315 күн бұрын

    Brilliant video. Thanks for sharing.

  • @user-uf1rn6ck6i
    @user-uf1rn6ck6i12 күн бұрын

    Worth the waiting.

  • @mori1bund
    @mori1bund13 күн бұрын

    The two Three-Eyed Crows before Bran.

  • @obviouslyPSM
    @obviouslyPSM13 күн бұрын

    Been seeing you on David Lightbringer the past few weeks and when you teased this vid I knew I needed to check it out.

  • @christyncain9087
    @christyncain908715 күн бұрын

    Fantastic video!!

  • @MrPuddle30
    @MrPuddle3014 күн бұрын

    Nice, glad to finally see this one

  • @saraseveryn8650
    @saraseveryn865015 күн бұрын

    Thank you, and thanks for the spoilers! I want to dig in and learn anything I can, piecing information together. I'm going to buy used fantasy books right now. I need exciting stories! Sci-fi, grimdark... I really need to read more, and I'm open to any suggestions :)

  • @sebastianmacken24
    @sebastianmacken2415 күн бұрын

    I needed this while waiting in the ER

  • @ThommyofThenn

    @ThommyofThenn

    15 күн бұрын

    Hope you're good😊

  • @liamfunderground
    @liamfunderground15 күн бұрын

    Amazing vid brother

  • @stewqrtrankin3303
    @stewqrtrankin330310 күн бұрын

    Great insight as usual from our great Lord of the Grey Waste

  • @sophiekampitsch829
    @sophiekampitsch82913 күн бұрын

    Brilliant video❤

  • @emilypennington6354
    @emilypennington635415 күн бұрын

    Sooooo excited! Much love to Grey Waste Tim😊

  • @Aremca87
    @Aremca8713 күн бұрын

    I love this!

  • @pratzuli
    @pratzuli14 күн бұрын

    Intro slaps, Tim. 🎉🎉🎉

  • @user-uf1rn6ck6i
    @user-uf1rn6ck6i12 күн бұрын

    Awesome.

  • @conniesuper9892
    @conniesuper989215 күн бұрын

    Thank you thank you thank you!!!

  • @jackiec9139
    @jackiec913915 күн бұрын

    great video

  • @aprilmae274
    @aprilmae27415 күн бұрын

    Finally...someone is giving the Massey's thier due! Massey has CLOSE ties to House Targaryen as did Bar Emmon. And YES...that Sigil is very telling! And isn't it interesting how Aemond has a Blue eye..Blood Raven has a Red eye and Tyrion has one Green eye? And the Dragon War...Red Queen, Blue Queen..and Vhagar makes Green Queen.

  • @0hMyLife
    @0hMyLife15 күн бұрын

    19:41 The Three Eyed CROW??? LOL!!

  • @tomsyn
    @tomsyn14 күн бұрын

    Just a thought watching this video....could daemon be seeing bloodraven at harrenhall and not aemond? We see he sees himself and due to the show we automatically think aemond but he could be seeing his great grandson and therefore the path he must take for it to happen?

  • @edwardmartin5860
    @edwardmartin586015 күн бұрын

    So good and I'm here 4 it TIMMY!

  • @jonhauge-evaldsson783
    @jonhauge-evaldsson78315 күн бұрын

    I almost think there is a sort of reincarnation in the story...

  • @hanesben
    @hanesben15 күн бұрын

    Hell yeah Timbo 🤘

  • @AshtheGreenMan
    @AshtheGreenMan15 күн бұрын

    Oh hells yes

  • @ladymecha8718
    @ladymecha871815 күн бұрын

    8:22 🎉 Yes 👏 Elric of Melnibone is a classic.

  • @ThommyofThenn
    @ThommyofThenn15 күн бұрын

    If you dont have a library card, one can usually be obtained at no charge

  • @kvothethebloodless3361
    @kvothethebloodless336115 күн бұрын

    This is your only warning! Fuckers lol. Awesome content! Love it.

  • @LaylaTow
    @LaylaTow15 күн бұрын

    I love you and David and i was excited to listen to it I just cant because my autistic brain not processing with background music 😢

  • @RussellB
    @RussellB15 күн бұрын

    So where is this "Prince Daemon's Secret" video?

  • @sandche8995

    @sandche8995

    14 күн бұрын

    Yes please let us know if you find it

  • @MckenzieCalan
    @MckenzieCalan15 күн бұрын

    Hope the good cloaks turn on the greens in the shoe aswell

  • @trappsters3
    @trappsters315 күн бұрын

    i wonder where lions reside? weve seen dire wolves, and stags, but where would the lions that house Lannister be?

  • @melancholyman369
    @melancholyman36915 күн бұрын

    Honestly just give these two the title of "Womanslayer" to be candid with the Elric reference.

  • @ThommyofThenn
    @ThommyofThenn15 күн бұрын

    I have to wonder if BR was still figuiring things out at the Wall. Did he know he had some time and wanted to do a long side quest? Did he foresee the decline of the Watch and wanted to bring picked men to the Wall to provide some structure? (No pun intended) Or was he being driven mad by cryptic visions and needed years to figure them out?

  • @leosunflowerdiva6463
    @leosunflowerdiva646313 күн бұрын

    Soooo if Nettles left with a Dragon...where is it????

  • @methodsocratic
    @methodsocratic15 күн бұрын

    Excellent analysis dude. Well done Edit: also, while I don’t disagree that BR maaaaay have gained some wisdom & temperance in the many years he lived longer than Daemon, I still find myself leaning more towards the camp that finds BR very sus. I find myself wondering if there’s not a damn good chance he’s still the “ends justify the means” ruthless manipulator & murderer, just one now with more power & time given his position as the Three-Eyed Raven. I’m not really certain his interests align with the realms of men.

  • @GreyWasteTim

    @GreyWasteTim

    15 күн бұрын

    Oh he def still is. He is fully aware that Bran is warging into Hodor and yet he has not told Bran of the skinchanger taboos that Varamyr Six Skins was taught.

  • @methodsocratic

    @methodsocratic

    15 күн бұрын

    @@GreyWasteTim more & more I suspect BR is gonna go the way of Saruman (or already has).

  • @baldbeardedbassist
    @baldbeardedbassist15 күн бұрын

    letsgoooooooo

  • @rchr5785
    @rchr57854 күн бұрын

  • @norbix-od7rt
    @norbix-od7rt15 күн бұрын

    wait how is Daemon related to house massey>???

  • @jaijoerik6233

    @jaijoerik6233

    15 күн бұрын

    Queen Alyssa Velaryon’s mother was Alarra Massey. Which makes Alarra Massey Daemons Great-Great Grandmother

  • @snekinrican
    @snekinrican14 күн бұрын

    Pro tip..... no background music!

  • @GreyWasteTim

    @GreyWasteTim

    14 күн бұрын

    Nope

  • @Pentagathusosaurus
    @Pentagathusosaurus15 күн бұрын

    Hell y🎉

  • @user-fd6bo9rc2s
    @user-fd6bo9rc2s14 күн бұрын

    "The books have been out for years" Thank you. I get so tired of hearing the illiterate whining about spoilers.

  • @yensid4294
    @yensid429415 күн бұрын

    👍

  • @TrajGreekFire
    @TrajGreekFire16 күн бұрын

    Why is house Massey in this

  • @Ittheyzezermeowpurr

    @Ittheyzezermeowpurr

    13 күн бұрын

    😂😂did you listen ?

  • @staceyvandiver
    @staceyvandiver15 күн бұрын

    I didn't know Damon was a bastard.

  • @GreyWasteTim

    @GreyWasteTim

    15 күн бұрын

    @@staceyvandiver Daemon Targaryen isn't. Daemon Blackfyre is.

  • @staceyvandiver

    @staceyvandiver

    15 күн бұрын

    @@GreyWasteTim oh ok I see what you are saying

  • @aegorbittersteel2154
    @aegorbittersteel215415 күн бұрын

    Booooo tree monsters!!!!

  • @zacktanner4539
    @zacktanner453915 күн бұрын

    someone was yelling out bible quotes and i responded with "no spoilers i havent read it yet"

  • @billstephens396
    @billstephens39611 күн бұрын

    Or, Martin is such a poor writer that he HAD to rely on real world stuff to make his world come alive... Pathetic, really...

  • @angela777K
    @angela777K15 күн бұрын

    MmmmmmSpoilers. Delicious. Thanks Tim!

  • @JW-ub4oi
    @JW-ub4oi14 күн бұрын

    Great video!

  • @Sarah_Shine
    @Sarah_Shine15 күн бұрын

    Great video!

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