A simple fix for the rear end of our 152,000 mile E92 M3?

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A simple fix for the rear end of our 152,000 mile E92 M3?
As this project has gone on we've isolated and fixed many flaws with the car, but it's become more and more obvious just how poor the rear end suspension is! The car has stability on the rear axle, meaning lack of traction and exaggerated movement when pushing on.
Many people upgrade the subframe bushes on these cars, but being high mileage we wanted to investigate a cheaper fix, the easier to change rear suspension arms. Could this cure the problems we are having?
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  • @DefaultLoginDetaiIs
    @DefaultLoginDetaiIs2 жыл бұрын

    Incremental changes and reviewing the results at each step is more useful to the viewers. Great idea for a video series. Hope to see similar done on other cars when this M3 is finished!

  • @Stoney1985
    @Stoney19852 жыл бұрын

    Please clean up and paint/powdercoat the rear subframe when you drop it. Coming from Australia, seeing the rust on everything pains me.

  • @CmdrStukov

    @CmdrStukov

    2 жыл бұрын

    I agree. It would be interesting if they mentioned how much it would cost to powdercoat.

  • @michalandrascik2162
    @michalandrascik21622 жыл бұрын

    I like the rational and budget oriented philosophy with this car, which is the attitude of most of normal people, not the millionaires. Thank you for this kind of advisory

  • @nycshelbygt500
    @nycshelbygt5002 жыл бұрын

    That shiny leather on the steering wheel calls for a new custom rewrapped one from Royal Steering Wheels. If you are dropping the rear subframe, then the exhaust has to come down. So it is a good time to replace the two-piece driveshaft. If you hear a metallic clunk when shifting into drive or reverse then a worn driveshaft is the source. You can really hear the clunk in a parking garage. The BMW unit has 3 parts to replace...front rubber Guibo donut, Center Bearing, and the rear CV joint. To save money, just replacing the center bearing usually does the trick....but inspect the rubber Guibo. You have to replace all the bolts too. Turner Motorsports sells a rebuilt unit that has a serviceable U-Joint. The BMW unit U-Joint between the two halves isn't serviceable and is a source of noise and failure.

  • @harrywilkinson444

    @harrywilkinson444

    2 жыл бұрын

    Now you've got my listening for clunks haha, would you hear it if the car was in the air? I'll probably look at this preventatively when I do the rear end underside restoration in the future.

  • @Hcarmad
    @Hcarmad2 жыл бұрын

    Love that you’re budget conscious with the revival of this high mileage beast. Good progress and my man Imran in camo and khaki??!! So used to seeing you in black 😁

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Mid life crisis

  • @Hcarmad

    @Hcarmad

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@EvolveAutomotive 😆

  • @ssully1069
    @ssully10692 жыл бұрын

    Love this series!

  • @hovnojede010101
    @hovnojede0101012 жыл бұрын

    Liking this series a lot! Now powdercoat the subframe and get rid of those tired rear lamps!

  • @naterockwell7735
    @naterockwell77352 жыл бұрын

    Nicely done! I can’t wait for that next video!

  • @krmatiu
    @krmatiu2 жыл бұрын

    Loving this series

  • @danmcgowan4761
    @danmcgowan47612 жыл бұрын

    Another great video guys! I remember a few years ago before I did my Rod bearings on my 2009 E-92 with 82 k miles on it when I had it in my local BMW dealer in Vermont for the heater recall. They told me that the rod bearings are not an issue on these cars to not worry about it. I found that very strange. That’s why I find your videos so helpful for any E-92 M3 owner. So thank you!

  • @NewEra0G

    @NewEra0G

    2 жыл бұрын

    Supercharger time! ESS G1

  • @paulhelden
    @paulhelden2 жыл бұрын

    Love the E92, this series is the best

  • @arisherwood4635
    @arisherwood46352 жыл бұрын

    Super helpful again! Love this series. Will likely change up these three arms on my 69k E92 M3 in the spring to see the difference it makes. Feel like it’s probably a bit early for subframe and diff bushings, but interested to see which way you go with those!

  • @pins69
    @pins692 жыл бұрын

    Love the car, love the video & love the passion you put into it

  • @naimjacobs2372
    @naimjacobs23722 жыл бұрын

    Another great video and im glad to see the M is being brought back to life bit by bit👊🤙

  • @Nqabasongo
    @Nqabasongo2 жыл бұрын

    Big fan of this build!!!

  • @andrewgeorge2562
    @andrewgeorge25622 жыл бұрын

    Great video very informative.

  • @matthias_372
    @matthias_3722 жыл бұрын

    Great review, very helpfull

  • @TheNorthernmunky
    @TheNorthernmunky2 жыл бұрын

    Aston bein a legend again! Great work

  • @TREBRON82
    @TREBRON822 жыл бұрын

    Great series guys. All I would want to see before buying one. Thx

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for watching! 🙌🏻

  • @markgwyther6137
    @markgwyther61372 жыл бұрын

    Nice one buddy really enjoying this one. Find myself looking forward to the next video every episode. Why don’t you sell some tickets and giveaway once you’re finished with ?? I know it’s high mileage but it is a a 92 m3 😍 Keep up the good work gents 👏👏👏

  • @philrob110
    @philrob1102 жыл бұрын

    Nice video Imran. Totally agree on the comment RE loading it up settles it down. One of the BEST things I did on mine was to fit a set of Powerflex (Purple) Diff bushes. The difference was remarkable in how much more sure footed it felt. Never got around to the subframe bushes due to the labour involved. Slight increase in NVH/whine with the Purple Poly bushes around 55mph, but the tradeoff with how much more settled it felt was worth it.

  • @dansully5927

    @dansully5927

    2 жыл бұрын

    I did this, the 3 purple diff bushes and the whine isn’t all bad but can be annoying over a long period ! Glad it’s not my diff on its way out

  • @richardtrow2751
    @richardtrow27512 жыл бұрын

    Very nice 👌 every little bit helps 👍

  • @claudioagmfilho
    @claudioagmfilho2 жыл бұрын

    🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷👏🏻👏🏻, Well, an awesome way to discover and find out what this car really needs in terms of its suspension. Breaking it down into parts what this suspension really needs, as you experience the car right after each modification, and at the same time, you are compare it to your red M3, which has the perfect example of what a good suspension should be. This way you can see not only what are the steps to making it work better, but also know how much you are really spending on it …

  • @farhadhjosias7792
    @farhadhjosias77922 жыл бұрын

    Give us more contents,,,keep it coming 😎😎😎

  • @MrRoyck10
    @MrRoyck102 жыл бұрын

    Useful content Imran especially for mare mortals like me who despise spending money on liabilities such as cars.

  • @saferandquieteroads
    @saferandquieteroads2 жыл бұрын

    great to watch

  • @AlexCapi
    @AlexCapi2 жыл бұрын

    Love the videos on this car

  • @censorshipBS
    @censorshipBS10 ай бұрын

    Can this be done on any rwd e92? As in use m3 parts in this video on a 330d e92

  • @gregeersteling949
    @gregeersteling9492 жыл бұрын

    Well I have a 09 mini Cooper S that was recently hit left quarter panel and had broken lower control arm also and hasn't been driving properly since I got it back from the body shop after. Even though everything was replaced, but at high speeds it makes a tire sound toward the left side. What do you think it is?

  • @laurencemajury8422
    @laurencemajury84222 жыл бұрын

    Aston is great make it all look so easy

  • @CovKid2K10
    @CovKid2K102 жыл бұрын

    Nice Monaco

  • @luminiferousaether6151
    @luminiferousaether61512 жыл бұрын

    It would interest me to know what levels of wear the transmission and lsd clutch packs have experienced during this time.

  • @NewEra0G

    @NewEra0G

    2 жыл бұрын

    They should do a DCT teardown and how to upgrade the parts

  • @machtschnell7452
    @machtschnell74522 жыл бұрын

    If you really feel the rear end is too loose, you may want to go to polyethylene rear subframes mounts. You can go solid, but NVH may well be too intense. I would have done that first as it is the base for everything else. Now you will have repeat labor for disconnecting your newly installed links. Do attend to the differential mounts also at the same time. An adjustable rear toe link is a nice addition, too.

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    We are doing this in stages to show the differences, of course we will end up recovering our steps but this experience allows us to advise customers more accurately about how to best spend money.

  • @adsmith108
    @adsmith1082 жыл бұрын

    Where did you get parts from?

  • @hermannweinzierl5731
    @hermannweinzierl57312 жыл бұрын

    very cool

  • @FernandoRodriguez-uu6fj
    @FernandoRodriguez-uu6fj Жыл бұрын

    Great series of videos. I was wondering, what about all the oxidation that can be seen in the chassis underneath? Is something to worry about or is it normal?

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    Жыл бұрын

    We have the next instalment of this series going live tonight, and we discuss that very problem!

  • @FernandoRodriguez-uu6fj

    @FernandoRodriguez-uu6fj

    Жыл бұрын

    @@EvolveAutomotive oh thats great. I m in the hunt of one of these. Will definetely check it out!

  • @chriswashburn9430
    @chriswashburn9430 Жыл бұрын

    That wishbone arm has ball joint bushings in it. It’s supposed to articulate like that.

  • @clippertee849
    @clippertee8493 ай бұрын

    @evolve Do you supply these parts ? And track rod end for front

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    3 ай бұрын

    We can yes, email sales@evolveautomotive.com

  • @micraw714
    @micraw7142 жыл бұрын

    Off topic but do you guys feel that changing the fuel injectors preventatively is necessary for the S65? I saw a video today discussing relatively common failure rates and I had never heard that before... only on the S85 🤔

  • @MikelDog

    @MikelDog

    2 жыл бұрын

    It's all about fuel quality and whether the fuel filter is serviced. Injectors fail because the baskets degrade. They'll only degrade if anything foreign passes through that ain't fuel

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    It’s something we’re keeping an eye on at the moment, don’t consider it common, but if you wanted to be 100% changing the injectors and fuel pump (for the filter) would be a good idea.

  • @nurburgringuk
    @nurburgringuk2 жыл бұрын

    Loving this series Imran. My M2 covered many trackdays from new each year and a total of 36k in 3.5 years of ownership, now that I have replaced it with a practically new M2C (2000 miles) I can certainly feel the difference an almost identical car feels like with fresh arms and bushes compared to a 36k car (with relatively hard miles) feels like and I’d be inclined to change bushes (as well as dampers) at around 40/50k depending on use. Having owned many used cars with varying mileage of 50 - 100k they could all have used a freshen up a lot sooner than 152k. I can only imagine the previous owner of this M3 either thought they all drove like that or that this one was a bit crap! Look forward to the next one 👍🏻

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    I think that is the problem. If people come from a lesser car they will think its better than what they had but don't know what it should really be like. I agree with you 36k hard miles would definitely need a refresh!

  • @BoHorror
    @BoHorror2 жыл бұрын

    I see you changed the rear suspension arms and front suspension arms with basically OEM TRW replacements, but if you had to go further and if the cost wasn't a issue(Balls to the Walls Scenario) . What would you guys do in terms of upgrades/ which brand of suspension arms would you use?

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Truthfully we have not gone to that level so cannot advise fully, would do some research and identify what needs to be upgraded. I know on the front arm changing that to a spherical bush rather than rubber is popular. It's something we may look to in the future, but this would be focusing the car further for track use rather than road.

  • @NewEra0G

    @NewEra0G

    2 жыл бұрын

    SPL Arms would do well! Or Turner, Bimmerworld!

  • @BoHorror

    @BoHorror

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@EvolveAutomotive 100%

  • @Warich0d0
    @Warich0d02 жыл бұрын

    Do you think all versions of e92 m3 are on the rise in price or still got further to fall, looking at a manual coupe at around 20k do you think they will go up

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Believe they’re pretty much on their way back up, may soften a little over winter but not a huge amount.

  • @Warich0d0

    @Warich0d0

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@EvolveAutomotive thank you for the reply, sounds like there’s not been a better time to get into one before in a few years they take off and are not affordable

  • @Motorsports_3

    @Motorsports_3

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Warich0d0 u should of got one last year

  • @Warich0d0

    @Warich0d0

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@Motorsports_3 benefit of Hind sight eh haha, I’m sure they will just keep increasing from now

  • @FaithlessM3
    @FaithlessM32 жыл бұрын

    Hi Imran. I fitted KW v3 to my 2012 M3 and there is now a knock, from the rear. In your experience, could this be due to the Sway bar drop links?

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Incredibly hard to say without hearing it in person.

  • @FaithlessM3

    @FaithlessM3

    2 жыл бұрын

    @Evolve Automotive true. Planning on getting all of the bushes replaced (subframe, diff, arms, drop links), which I know is a bit nuclear option, but I'm not selling it, any time soon, so will get to enjoy it, at its best, for many years. Now all I have to do is get it all ordered and stop my neighbours leaving dents in it 🙄

  • @user-cm9ln9oh9m
    @user-cm9ln9oh9m3 күн бұрын

    what is this exact colour its amazing

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    3 күн бұрын

    Monte Carlo Blue

  • @mohshinaziz5983
    @mohshinaziz59832 жыл бұрын

    The main takeaway from this episode is: chances are suspension components and bushings fail together in the same time. Rather than repair step by step, should just do all at one go and save some labour in terms of repetitive work, and just get one alignment at the other end rather than 3 like you will have to do so eventually.

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    We are doing this in stages as a learning exercise, to try and figure out if there are certain areas that make more improvements than others. We aren’t suggesting an owner copies our exact route, but that we can advise people better from our gained knowledge.

  • @mohshinaziz5983

    @mohshinaziz5983

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, by you guys doing this in stages provides an excellent comparison for us viewers. It's a masterclass really. Not only you start to understand what each component does, it maps your mind to understand the hands, the feet, the fingers of the car so to speak.. I superbly enjoy it... I hope you will repeat this on my current favourite car, BMW E39 540 automatic.

  • @kgottsman

    @kgottsman

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@EvolveAutomotive thank you for the content. Mine is getting close to 100k miles and I am learning a lot from the series.I plan to keep mine forever so this is great future advice.

  • @Nathan93Baker
    @Nathan93Baker2 жыл бұрын

    Is the rust on the subframe not a concern?

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    No, it’s surface.

  • @rehan323
    @rehan3232 жыл бұрын

    Who knew Guz Khan was an M3 enthusiast - respect.

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Have you not seen Army of Thieves on Netflix ?

  • @abrarali7351
    @abrarali73512 жыл бұрын

    Can you tell me how much the rod bearings were? Parts and labour

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    We charge £1650 inc VAT

  • @abrarali7351

    @abrarali7351

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@EvolveAutomotive would you say the maintenance of a 330/335 would be the same cost-wise as an M3 or would it be much, much less? Are you planning to do a series with a 330/335 (convertible) like you did with the high mileage M3? I'm looking at M3's, but might be too expensive for me too maintain so I'm looking at the next best thing. Keen to hear your thoughts though.

  • @kenrossaukrsa
    @kenrossaukrsa2 жыл бұрын

    IMO it’s also the diff rubber mountings that also make the handling feel looser.. What? £100ph labour??

  • @rubindastoor5629
    @rubindastoor56292 жыл бұрын

    Yikes that rear subframe looks like it was sitting in the ocean the past few years. How's the integrity of the subframe?

  • @micraw714

    @micraw714

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep looks like it was chillin next to the titanic haha

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Nothing to overly worry about, it’s all surface rust and would tidy up fairly well. Clearly been used in winters with road salt.

  • @jamielearmonth1039
    @jamielearmonth10392 жыл бұрын

    Aston been scrapping? lol. nice shiner.

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Back to his boxing training, clearly a bit out of practice 🤕

  • @tomsky8414
    @tomsky8414 Жыл бұрын

    Nice intro

  • @flaviokart16
    @flaviokart162 жыл бұрын

    Aston should set up his own Aston Martin garage 😁

  • @jamesstone7597
    @jamesstone75972 жыл бұрын

    These videos & updates are what’s needed on these right now given the current post COVID price rise they’ve had, given a decent mileage e92 M3 is 20k+ currently a lot of people could overlook having to budget for this sort of work down the line, keep the updates coming 👊🏻

  • @merve500
    @merve5002 жыл бұрын

    Love the hat imran. You look like you off duck hunting!

  • @robreeves9825
    @robreeves98252 жыл бұрын

    'Look how sloppy that is'. - Haha! someone has to sample that sound bite and put it over something else.

  • @shadleybam3140
    @shadleybam31402 жыл бұрын

    Are e9x m3 videos your most watched videos?😍

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    They’re certainly still our most popular model customer wise.

  • @carcrazyguysa4059
    @carcrazyguysa40592 жыл бұрын

    That sub frame needs a proper dry ice cleaning!

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Needs a lot more than that.

  • @tubejorrit

    @tubejorrit

    2 жыл бұрын

    subframes on e90's are very prone to rust sadly.

  • @ksm1985
    @ksm19852 жыл бұрын

    Need those tail pipes cleaned 😁

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Realised today we haven’t even washed it yet 😂

  • @david_vash
    @david_vash2 жыл бұрын

    My boy Imran always wearing some drippy clothes

  • @hussamjamil4980
    @hussamjamil49802 жыл бұрын

    Anytime you torque suspention components, you need to pre-load them. One way is to use an engine/transmission jack and "load" the part, the other is on the jack, but never torque them "freely", just premature stressing new bushings. Should had just dropped the rear subframe and changed those bushings as well. Now you are doing the work twice and wheel alignment again, makes no sense to me.

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Correct, and you can see us do that, as we do whenever torquing up suspension bushings. We are doing this in stages to show incremental change and find out what components actually make a difference. At the end of this process we will be able to more accurately advise customers.

  • @hussamjamil4980

    @hussamjamil4980

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@EvolveAutomotive My mistake, since i did not see the pre-loading of components when torqueing. Well yes, but if it is the original, replacing one arm/bushing makes no sense. Just "do it once, do it right" mentality.

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    No, but the mentality of change everything all at once is often a shotgun technique when just a few components actually require changing. We aren’t suggesting anyone follow our exact steps. This car is a research tool for ourselves, and at the end of the project we will layout our findings.

  • @JordzyBrev
    @JordzyBrev2 жыл бұрын

    Nightmare these cars are to track, always seized when they come in to my work 😂

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Think Aston will be quite satisfied when we change the seized rear camber bush 😂

  • @JordzyBrev

    @JordzyBrev

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@EvolveAutomotive be interesting to see done, we normally turn them away when seized 🤣

  • @Mcpikie
    @Mcpikie2 жыл бұрын

    Has Aston taken an arm to the face there? That eye looks sore!!

  • @EvolveAutomotive

    @EvolveAutomotive

    2 жыл бұрын

    Got caught in boxing training 😅

  • @KlemenJereb

    @KlemenJereb

    2 жыл бұрын

    Haha, I was thinking the same...had an image in my head that he got socked in the face in a bar fight😂

  • @joannrosario9373
    @joannrosario93732 жыл бұрын

    Nissan skyline. Is the fucking. King of sports. Cars.. Fuck the rest.....😀

  • @bush54800
    @bush548002 жыл бұрын

    Second

  • @matthewnicholas6365
    @matthewnicholas63652 жыл бұрын

    Ad says.... 150k, drives like new

  • @JohnSmith-ke8sn
    @JohnSmith-ke8sn2 жыл бұрын

    First

  • @mariusandruska4479

    @mariusandruska4479

    2 жыл бұрын

    Gay

  • @JohnSmith-ke8sn

    @JohnSmith-ke8sn

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@mariusandruska4479 🍕😋

  • @r-rtz
    @r-rtz Жыл бұрын

    Let the bald come out of closet Aston ... not martin ... :))))))))

  • @mariodr1067
    @mariodr10672 жыл бұрын

    Love this series!

  • @matthewnicholas6365
    @matthewnicholas63652 жыл бұрын

    Ad says.... 150k, drives like new

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