Ariston RD 11 was indeed first and taken from the same production line part of them were relabelled Linn LP 12, only changing name plate, even afvertised as the turntable formerly named Ariston RD 11 is now sold as Lin LP 12 (12 inch LP) excactly the same where much metal parts were made by Jack Tiefenbrunn father of Ivor. Hamish Robertson died during the court process being the patentowner of the design and actual designer, before the judge came to a verdict and as parts maker Jack toke over, Robertson not having children. Later claims from Ivor and his son the turntable was changed being better regarding the bearing and casing were valse., because they were made latter, form of shaft and support inside casing corners not being in the first LP 12.. There had been an even earlier production RD 11 sounding better by having narrower tolerances than the last models but inevitable they were more difficult to make. So the story of Linn foundation is another one, and maybe Ivor was responsible for invention of the name Linn, but actual hie father Jack was the owner of the factory that made the metal parts and that they found Hamish an alcoholist selling not enough turntables and want to get rid of him is another story , in fact they broke the contract , where Robertson was the designer partly based on an American Acoustic Research model from Athur Vilchur's team. Nice your story from a Linn perspective but to much coloured for someone selling them for so long! Of course it's afantastic machine but the kind of criticless admiration I don't like , thinking of the same plagiat that's doen by the Microsoft boys around Bill gates to get himself established, I always get a bad taste when people tried to backwarts changing history., having owned a later Ariston RD 40 AC flatbelt using the same springs having long ago even better base respons than early RD 11's and Linns, who made these I don't know, Dunlop or others when the company was sold using the name Ariston after Hamish died. Nice story about washing machines but as old hififox you missed teh point!

Fascinating, lively, informative and well-presented. Thank you for making this.

Absolutely fascinating, thank you for sharing.

Beautifully presented and so clearly narrated. If only other reviews and discussions were as clear and well researched.

Hi Michael: Here in 2022, I still greatly enjoy my 3 separate Linn LK systems in perfect shape. These include 2 LK140 and 1 LK85 amps, 3 Kolektor pre-amps and 1 Genki CDP with different speakers (Thiel, Bang & Olufsen and KEF). I started with Linn in 1983 with my first of three LP12's and bought into the "Linn For Life" proposition. I also started out with an LK280 amp and LK1 pre-amp. Linn kit has clearly enhanced my life the last 39 years and expect it to continue to next 20 years. Thanks so much for this Linnie video!

First time I get to see Michael and his channel. Very informative and it shows that he knows his business. I always appreciated Linn products but just couldn't afford them. I am a fan of simple and "all in one" systems thus I was able to buy a DeVialet 120/Atohm GT1 combo a few years ago. But I still dream of winning at the Loto so I can buy the Linn stuff I wish I could enjoy!

Thoroughly enjoyed that so thank you! Love how you have an abundance of older products that you just couldn’t bear to sell.. 😀

@michaelmcclean5169

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe for the right price !!!

Your a really clear thinker. That narrative was very well constructed.

Absolutely brilliant and fascinating; and all off the top of your head. Astonishing. Now where did I put that winning lottery ticket? :)

This is the most fun audio system video I’ve seen in years 😂🤣👌👍

Very entertaining and enlightening Michael. Keep em coming :)

@michaelmcclean5169

3 жыл бұрын

Jim you're of the era to remember Stiff Little Fingers, coming next!

Many thanks for a wonderful presentation. Really interesting and I learnt a lot. Apart from the wonderful sound of Linn’s products I love their philosophy of being able to upgrade them. My 1980 LP12 and 2012 Akurate DS have been upgraded/updated and sound better than ever thanks to two great Linn dealers who have come out to the Canary Islands to do the work over the years.

Gosh, Michael, how on earth do you remember all that information and talk about it non-stop. I thoroughly enjoyed this video, and learned a hell of a lot. Thank you.

Very interesting and informative. Well done

As a long time fan of Linn, owning a "humble" Majik DSM /3, I already knew most of the stuff, but I have never heard it brought to me in such a brief and entertaining way. Thank you very much! Lovely video!

Excellent video, thank you.

Great video, love the presentation style. My dad bought a LINN LP12 Turntable back in 1985- it was a terrific piece of equipment- the acme of product design and engineering. It transformed the experience of listening to records. I bought a complete LINN system in 2002- LINN GENKI CD Player with HDCD chip, NINKA Speakers and a LINN MAJIK Power Amp. I LOVED that system and it served me for 20 years. I built up a collection of over 100 HDCDs and they sounded awesome, almost in the same bracket as SACD. I only replaced it in 2022 on my retirement. It's now my secondary system and has pride of place in my bedroom. 20 years and not 1 problem ever. Beautifully made, minimalist design. I decided to get back into vinyl after 32 years and bought a Technics SL 1500C and fitted a 2M Ortofon Blue cartridge. I have no intention of buying any new vinyl- just play my large collection that was carefully stored in the attic. Now I have the itch- I'm thinking of upgrading to a LINN MAJIK LP12 or Technics SL1200G. I'm torn between them, the Technics is probably the most practical in many ways but it doesn't have the design aesthetic and cache of the LINN which is a thing of timeless beauty, a real design classic equal to the best Apple products. My head says Technics in terms of versatility but my heart is saying LINN.

@michaelmcclean5169

8 ай бұрын

You know I'm going to say the Linn sounds much better! Have you lots of 45s though? That's the only downside that would make you either go for a Technics or get the Linn fitted with a Lingo4 for easy speed change. And better sound of course! Good luck, Michael

@knockshinnoch1950

8 ай бұрын

@@michaelmcclean5169 Hi Michael I appreciate you taking time to reply. I'm 90% certain I'm going to opt for the LINN LP12- I know it would gnaw away at me if I didn't! The Lingo4 sounds like a sensible upgrade and worthy investment too. Thanks for your advice.

WOW thank you for this video, LOVELY to see the "Sara" speaker.

Brilliant video many thanks

Enjoyed that! Thank you.

The story is that Linn snitched the turntable from Ariston. "The Linn Sondek was essentially the original Ariston RD11. Nothing more. Nothing less. The Thiefenbrun's of Castle Engineering were taken to court by the owner of Ariston Hamish Robertson who claimed that they had stolen his design. The Thiefenbruns won and the rest as they say is history. That is why the pre-Linn Ariston RD11 has a single point bearing shaft with no ball and the post Linn Ariston RD11 uses a ball bearing. Castle won the right to use Ariston's single point bearing. They simply made the original Ariston RD11 and renamed it the Linn Sondek LP 12. Linn acknowledged that they were using Ariston's design in their first advertisement as quoted in the post #3 above this. The Original pre-Linn Ariston RD11 is the exact forerunner of the Linn LP 12. The first post Linn Ariston RD11 had to be different due to the court challenge, hence the ball bearing at the base of the spindle."

@seeyoujimmy188

2 жыл бұрын

There were several single point bearings that preceded the Ariston. Connoisseur bd1 , Empire , Thorens TD 160 , to name a few.

@lint8391

Жыл бұрын

Hamish Robertson's appearance in court wouldn't have been helped by the fact that he was an alcoholic.

That was just awesome such knowledge and no teleprompter !!!! Linn is an amazing company great to know where the name came from. Thanks and keep the videos coming.

That was absolutely brilliant, I thought I knew Linn well, I knew nothing 😂 👍👍

Very cool! My daily drivers are a pair of Linn Nexus LS250 I purchased new in 1989. A lot of speakers have come and gone over the years, but I always go back to the Linns. People like to criticize these speakers,. I believe those that do have never heard them properly bi-wired. I build my own cables and run 11 gauge to the bottom and 14 gauge to the top.

@rodcrawford6575

2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear your Nexus LS25os are going strong and you are still enjoying them. They were the first speakers I designed at Linn to replace their aging Sara, Kan and Isobaric speakers and along with Bill Miller’s amps plus scientific design approach marked a major turning point for Linn. It started stop being a cult-like company which accidentally used various distortions to create a “linnite” flavoured sound to one where accuracy to the original recording was important - as the later part of Michael’s presentation shows, culminating in digitally active speakers and the Organik DAC etc (though again they just followed closely in other’ footsteps but much better engineered). As Michael hints quite a few bodies were buried along this road! Dr Rod Crawford

@TwangThang57

2 жыл бұрын

@@rodcrawford6575 any thoughts on recapping or modifying the crossover?

@rodcrawford6575

2 жыл бұрын

@@TwangThang57 Not sure as it was nearly 40 years ago since I designed them! As I remember they used SCR polypropylene capacitors that were the best available at the time but probably now could be bettered. Also I think they used ferrite inductors that might be replaced by air-cored ones of the same value, however you would need some electronic knowledge and skills to do this.

Great presentation, v informative, super delivery

@michaelmcclean5169

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Dean 👍

Interesting in the live music production world splitting the signal into treble mid and bass is pretty standard. Nowhere near hi fi quality of course more for volume control. Great vid Michael, learnt a lot.

Nice video sir!

I have played with 2 earlier models of the LP12 (early 70's and mid 80's). The build quality of the plinth/base/bracing etc was shocking. I'm sure they would have made substantial improvements by now, especially considering the price they are charging. If you really want a battleship class build floating deck, buy yourself a Sota TT instead. The quality of the construction is first class. They were built like a tank.

Great video

Hi Rob Delighted to hear you've enjoyed your Linn all these years! How much hifi costs compared to 40 years ago is an interesting point as there are very few products that allow you to compare. In the 80s when your LP12 cost £ 570 we bought 2 new vans at £ 2200 each and last year a new van cost me £18000 plus vat. A new LP12 is now £3500 so that has gone up by less than the vans. Also both a new van and a new LP12 are massively better than the old ones. I know the numbers are all bigger however you could say that the Linn Sondek costs less than ever! Of course they have higher performance tonearms, power supplies, subchassis, cartridges and even motors that take the price to that of a new van !

Love your channel, great tribute to Linn, how about some other brand tributes?

@michaelmcclean5169

3 жыл бұрын

Good idea

Thanks for this video, really interesting. My Linn Karik fab b be up the ghost around 10 years ago. I still have it but it won't play any discs .😔

Thanks for the neat history.There was also Linn’s collaboration with Sony making all those dvd-players. I wonder if there ara many still using Unidisc and that Kisto beast?

Hello Michael knew you when you worked in Nick shop in newtownards,I used to borrow lots of stuff.lived in the West winds and worked in browns.name was allister.remember lentek monitor x

Like a bedtime story ..in a good way :0)

It took either 3 Naim NAP 260 stereo power amplifiers, or 6 NAP 160 monobloc power amplifiers to properly drive a pair of Linn Isobarik loudspeakers, as their efficiency was extremely low at about 82dB, ( most modern speakers are around 87 - 92dB efficient, with some horn speakers going up to around 110dB or even more!)

I worked in Glasgow for 6 years. I heard more than once that you could get 'cheap' LP12s from workers there.

@choboutube

2 жыл бұрын

I finally got a LP12 15 years ago, 10 years after lusting after them as a poor student. I got a pair of Linn Indexes with them that I finally gave away last year after replacing them with Spendor SP1s.

Does anyone know what tonearm is on the Linn? Is it a Grace G707?

Hi Ryan Yes that is a Grace 707. This tonearm was distributed by Linn in the late 70s until they started manufacturing their own arms starting with the Ittok. Best Michael

@lint8391

Жыл бұрын

The Ittok was designed by Mr Ito and was made by the Denon Parts Company of Japan.

@michaelmcclean5169

Жыл бұрын

@@lint8391 Hi there, yes the name Ittok for the arm was a public tribute to his contribution to the arm design and productionising. This has never been hidden however I don't think that Mr Ito has claimed the it was totally his design without input from Martin Dalgleish at Linn, and Ivor T as well. It was Linn's idea to make this arm as an improvement over the Grace 707 that they imported to the UK at that time.

Remember well your premises on the Stranmillis Road. Great guy to deal with.

The LP12 turntable is a decent piece of kit, mine still works after 40+ years. The three way active crossover for the Isobariks is a meticulously designed analogue piece of kit. The LK1 uses CMOS switches in a ladder array, the switches affect the dynamic range of the signal. The Isobariks are loud and powerful but the image is poor because of the upward facing mid range drivers and tweeters. The LK100 power amplifier sounds grainy, I had one give up the magic smoke while driving Quad ESL 57s. These comments are based on having used all of the above for a few years.

Did you work at Linn during the mid 80's? Memory 's beginning to fade! I used to sell/service/install LP12's at Cleartone Hifi, Bolton. Pretty sure I remember you from the Sound'n'Vision weekend shows we ran at the Last Drop Village!

Hi Dave, yes that was me playing Tracey Chapman and Nina Simone records, 80s demos

Great video Michael and very informative, but if you want to start at the beginning you need to mention the Thorens TD150 introduced in1965 and the Ariston RD11 which was introduced in 1971ish I think. The original LP12 was not new as its design was almost identical to the TD150 and RD11.

@michaelmcclean5169

Жыл бұрын

Ha, that’s a can of worms to go into! I have talked about it a little in replies. The LP12 owes a debt to earlier Thorens models for the layout if not for the engineering. The original RD11 machining was done by Jack Tiefenbrun’s company, Ivor’s father, to a design that was later the subject of a court case won by Linn. While people have angrily claimed to me that Ivor took the design I have found no proof of this. The court documents indicate the opposite. Don’t really understand the hostility involved though. Is that enough Nev?

@madmeister407

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcclean5169 There is no dispute over the build quality and sound capabilities of the LP12. It's one of the finest turntables money can buy and it's evolution since the original in 1973 is quite remarkable. I just wonder what the LP12 would look like today, or even if it would exist if Thorens made washing machines instead of turntables. I have no hostility towards the LP12 as I owned one in the late 70's and it was a very good turntable, not as good as the LP12's of today but still a game changer.

@michaelmcclean5169

Жыл бұрын

@@madmeister407 sorry did not mean to imply any hostility from you, think yours entirely fair!!

Hi Michael. That was a belter! I bought my LP12 from Peter at Stereo Stereo in Glasgow in the early Eighties. Weren't you involved with that store? Anyway, I was having some updates done to the old fruitbox a month or two back (at Mingace Custon Sound, Jensen Beach, Florida) and heard the Klimax DSM & 360 speakers. I saw God. Or maybe it was just Ivor. It has made me rethink my passion for/commitment to my Naim electronics, which is probably unreasonable of me. Regards, David

@michaelmcclean5169

10 ай бұрын

Hi David Thanks for that, yes i was involved in Stereo Stereo in the 80s and 90s. Haven't heard form Peter for a while though Ian is still in the industry at Loud'n'Clear Glasgow. The 360s are incredible, nothing like them! Best Michael

Correct me if I am wrong but I think the LP 12 was a copy of another turntable that was out in the early 1970's and it was called an Ariston RD 11. The only apparent difference was the single point bearing that was offered on the LP 12.You pretty much have the rest of the Linn timeline correct. Best Regards

@lint8391

Жыл бұрын

Indeed. And Hamish Robertson who created the RD11 (by copying 1960's AR / Thorens belt drive suspended turntables) used Castle Engineering as a contractor to make the RD11. It's also quite possible that the single point bearing was an idea by one of the technicians at Castle Engineering and not an Ivor T development. Overall this video is what one would expect from a Linn dealer. It doesn't come anywhere near close to telling the true story of the early history of Linn. It's also nonsense that the LP12 sounded better than all the other turntables. Garrard, Thorens, Lenco all made better sounding turntables. As demonstrated at numerous turntable bake-offs in the 21st century.

@MrRichymil

Жыл бұрын

​@@lint8391 Did the Lenco L75 sound better? Interesting as a child I always thought it the best turntable I ever heard and now have one.

@lint8391

Жыл бұрын

@@MrRichymil A fully working Lenco in a good plinth, arm, cartridge and maybe with the right modifications is about as good a sounding vinyl source as any ever made. Compared to the Linn LP12, it's one of those where if either one is partially broken, the fully working one will sound better. If they have significantly different arms / cartridges / phono amplification, the one with the better bits will sound better. If they're both sorted as well as they can be, the Lenco's better. In the 1970's the importance of the plinth and turntable support wasn't widely understood. So you had a lot of Lencos performing below their best at that time. But for those with an understanding of mechanical engineering principles, a 1970's Lenco was a better sounding turntable than the LP12.

@MrRichymil

Жыл бұрын

@@lint8391 Thanks that's good to know. I've used a Linn basik Plus tonearm, with a audio-technica VM740ML cartridge and have made the plinth from 5 horizontal pieces of board with the cut outs to a minimum. With Oak floorboards around the sides and 18 mm thick Welsh slate stuck to that making it really heavy.

Great story, expertly told, and no notes!

You omitted the Ariston link in this story🤔!

@michaelmcclean5169

3 жыл бұрын

To be honest I don't rate it as important, especially in the context of almost 50 years of Linn since then. I know the story well, from both points of view!

@seeyoujimmy188

2 жыл бұрын

Are you sure you got both sides of the story ?

I owned a sondek lp12 and about the worst turntable I’ve ever owned, the best for the money has to be the original Rega planar 3.

👍

No mention of the years you couldn’t get a LP12 turntable for love or money while the legal stuff court case went on and it increased in price overnight 👌😎👍

I have... Linn Ninkas (Active) 3 LK140 amps (Active) with Chakra cards to match the Ninkas, wired with K600 cable. Linn Kairn Pre amp. Rega Apollo R CD player. Rega Apollo R DAC. 2 Tel T5i subs (yes they are great) (infill lower frequencies not wanting to shake every house in the street). I use the pre outs of the LK140 that's the bass amp to feed the Rels. Stereo bass. Nice. And....(humble) a cheap DSM from Tibo called the smart streamer. It's WiFi connectivity etc. I fully am aware the Tibo is nowhere near the quality of the linn dsm's. I use the pre outs of the streamer into the Kairn. What linn dsm would do the same job? Simply use it as a 'source'. Use the pre outs of the DSM into the Kairn etc.

It would be nice to see a brief history of the Linn arms and cartridges.

@michaelmcclean5169

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Tony, we have talked about that so it will happen at some time. Would really like to have all of the products here, I'm probably short of an LVX and a Trak cartridge so one of these days!

@seeyoujimmy188

2 жыл бұрын

Cheapies are OEM ADC dearies are Japanese designed by ITO

Back in the 1980s, you didn't have to be a millionaire to own a Linn Sondek LP12. I bought my Black Ash LP12 back in 1984 with a Linn Basik LVX matched with an Audio Technica AT-OC5, which If I am not mistaken, cost me £570? The HIFI salesman kept trying to guide me away from the AT-OC5 saying that it was against Linn/Naim thinking. The solution? Within 6 months, I upgraded my Basik LVX for a stainless steel Ittok LV-II. A year after that I upgraded to an Audio Technica AT-OC9. The point being that every component was upgraded in small increments over a period of a few years, getting top prices for my second hand components along the way. You can't do that today and mores the pity. I feel that they kind of lost the plot along the way and left the average guy behind. I still consider the Linn Sondek LP12 to be the finest turntable bar none and the fact that you cannot buy an entry level model from Linn today, means that most are deprived of this wonderful musical experience. I suppose you could buy an old 1980s/90s model on EBAY buy then you'd have to take it to a specialist Linn engineer to be refurbished and setup. I would imagine this would cost a fortune.

Can you feature the kef blades please

I've seen that shirt before somewhere...

I remember living for a few weeks with a really tiny, thin pair of floor standing Linn speakers which had just been released in 1988. Despite the shop being really excited about them, I simply could not get on with them and returned them to the HIFI store for a pair of Monitor Audio 1200 Golds. Does anyone know the name of these LInn speakers? I believe they were rather short lived.

@michaelmcclean5169

2 жыл бұрын

Probably Linn Kaber speakers

@RebMordechaiReviews

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcclean5169 Thanks. My mistake. They weren't Linn Speakers. I found an old photo of them. They were Naim IBLS, released in 1987.

Do you sell more Linn only systems or more Linn/Naim systems?

@michaelmcclean5169

2 жыл бұрын

Hi David The traditional Linn source Naim amplifier system sells less than it did as both Naim and Linn now sell more integrated streamer amp systems. Naim Atom/Nova and Linn Majik/Select would now be the more significant parts of the business. Linn used to be larger than Naim although it is now the other way round. This is due to greater distribution since the takeover followed by Muso products to fill that distribution. In the 80s to 00s no-one expected to see Naim in Richer and John Lewis although now they have the right products for that channel. As we are a traditional specialist, we choose not to sell everything, with only a small online presence our overall Linn purchases are more than Naim. If we decide to do an online store for Muso and Uniti products that would tip the balance the other way. Sorry it's not a simple answer, I think some context is useful Best Michael

thats a solid wig.

@michaelmcclean5169

2 жыл бұрын

All my own hair !!! Cheeky ……..

Thanks Michael, does this mean that all Linn amplifiers digitise the signal? Or just to split the base mid and treble when active? Thanks

@michaelmcclean5169

Жыл бұрын

Hi Richard, the description of the Linn Exakt process in this article applies just to active exakt systems. Earlier active systems were all analogue. New Linn amplifiers in the Selekt range do now digitise everything as part of the process. This comes from work and comparisons from the Linn Records division where the digital storage medium at the highest bit rates is superior to analogue. As an engineering solution there are less losses involved in the entire process. This is obviously very contentious !!

@MrRichymil

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcclean5169 Thanks, even if analogue is in some ways not as good as complete digital, I like it for some reason. I have recently acquired a LK85 and I'm looking to get a Linn Kolektor. In the future I will want to go active. When living in Glasgow in the Gallowgate, Calton in the late 90's I had a friend who ran a shop who had a very nice Linn system you might even have known him. Anyway he very kindly sold me some Linn Nexus speakers with the stone stands. He kindly set them up for me using solid core electricians ring main wiring wire for speaker cable. He used it on his very expensive Linn system and swore by it. It sounded great bi wired. Sadly those speakers got destroyed by my children and now have linn Katans on wall brackets. The base isn't as good as the Nexus though and I have to use a Linn Komponent 120 and Mission 70ASE subwoofer. If I went active with a couple of LK85's and a Kolektor with the Katans could I still use the Komponent 120 and subwoofer? Would an active system greatly improve the base in the Katans anyway?

@michaelmcclean5169

Жыл бұрын

@@MrRichymil I have a kolector, a wakonda, some lk100s and even a pr of nexus if you want ??

@MrRichymil

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcclean5169 Great how much do you want for the pre amps?

@michaelmcclean5169

Жыл бұрын

@@MrRichymil Don’t know off the top of my head! They should be on lyrichifi.com Catalogue Used Or give me a ring at work tomorrow Michael

Why on earth did i sell my LP12 ? I got to buy another one !

Wieviele Whisky hat dieser Typ schon getrunken?👍👍👍👍😂😂😂😂😂 Viele Grüße aus Germany

@michaelmcclean5169

2 жыл бұрын

Sehr viel Whisky. Vielen Danke Michael

Think the shop was called Manchester and Midland and you had a little cats in car

what a headache Lynn tables are.. countless maintenance, adjustments... UGH

@michaelmcclean5169

10 ай бұрын

Thnaks for watching Actually I get turntables in for a service over 20 years old still sounding good. It's important to get any turntable serviced but Linn were the first to make the point so strongly and go round the world actually training dealers to do a better job. Many dealers are still clueless!!

Honun.lettore cd Linn karik eccezionale e silenziosissimo..pagato usato 80 euro ma il valore usato si aggira su 400/500

I still have a pair of Linn Sara. Not so very bassy though, not sure why.

@volpedo2000

3 жыл бұрын

What are you driving them with?

@mericet39

3 жыл бұрын

@@volpedo2000 Exposure XV integrated amp.

@volpedo2000

3 жыл бұрын

@@mericet39 the Sara go down to 2ohms, so you might want to try driving them with something with more current and a bigger powersupply than the Exposure XV.

@varioustoxins

2 жыл бұрын

Odd one of the defining characteristics of the Sara’s is there good bass (fast solid low), could you have some blown drivers (there are 2 for each speaker coupled by an isobaric chamber) amps are another point by my nAim 42 110 doesn’t do badly for something cheap

@lint8391

Жыл бұрын

@@varioustoxins Good bass my arse! My Saras sound very midrangey compared to my Isobariks. My Isobariks have mediocre bass compared to my Bozak Symphonies and EV Patricians.

It seems like Linn is for High End music, what Apple is in computers...manufacturing all the way from scratch everything themselves...

Linn Classik?

Sorry a little datsun

Those Sara’s look very odd have they bee modded?

@michaelmcclean5169

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Gary, There were various production changes as well as the announced upgrades to treble unit, bass unit, cabinet, crossovers, actually everything changed over the years! These are a later cabinet but not Sara9 spec. The original bass unit, a modified Kef B200, had a cardboard 'cap' in the middle. This particular pair may have been upgraded later to an improved B200

@varioustoxins

2 жыл бұрын

That’s odd I have never seen a b200 that looks like that the voice coil and dust cap are much larger also the tweeter doesn’t look like a Hiqufon or scanspeak very unusual. Also that bass units frame isn’t quite the right size when you show it later in the video. I guess they are modded

@michaelmcclean5169

Жыл бұрын

Hi Gary, did you see this? www.whathifi.com/features/rega-naiad-to-naia-how-a-no-expense-spared-randd-turntable-became-a-pound12k-reality

Linn, 1950’s technology at 2050 prices. What a load of bollocks.

@michaelmcclean5169

Жыл бұрын

Hi, all comments always welcome. Don't think that FPGAs were around last century though! 🙂Do other turntable manufacturers use anything as advanced as that?

The Really BIG Question is!!!!! Did the Wife get her washing machine????

@michaelmcclean5169

2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant question! And I don't know the answer

Ariston RD11 was designed by Hamish Robertson. LP12 first gen was identical. RD11s were on sale before Linn products even existed. The invention story is fluff.

@michaelmcclean5169

2 жыл бұрын

So if that was the case why didn’t he use the obvious moniker lp12 to play 12” lps? It was already used. Although you are correct that rd11 was produced before Linn as an entity got going Thanks for watching

@gotham61

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelmcclean5169 The Ariston RD11 was first shown by Hamish Robertson and Colin Walker at the Harrogate Audio Fair in 1971. They also exhibited a three way concrete lined speaker with a ribbon tweeter called the SR90 at the same show. Originally the turntable was going to be called the Aristos, but this was changed to RD11 before production started. In early 1973 Linn ran an advertisement in magazines such as The Gramophone, in which they aimed to differentiate the LP12 from the Ariston, in anticipation of their future lawsuit. In the text of the advertisement they describe the LP12 as "the transcription deck sold up to December 1972 under the name Ariston RD11."

"The text of Linn's first advertisement(Hi-Fi News and Record Review May 1973): Please note that Castle Precision Engineering(Glasgow) Ltd., 241 Drakemire Drive, Castlemilk, Glasgow, G45 9SZ, wish it to be known that they have designed(Design Copyright), Developed(Patent Pending) The special bearing and bearing housing assembly, and pressed steel chassis incorporated into the transcription deck sold up to December 1972 under the name Ariston RD 11. In order to satisfy consumer demands, we have purchased new premises adjacent to the present factory and formed the company of Linn Products Ltd and are now manufacturing our own unique product, the 'Linn-Sondek LP 12' transcription deck." ----‐--------------------- "The Linn Sondek was essentially the original Ariston RD11. Nothing more. Nothing less. The Thiefenbrun's of Castle Engineering were taken to court by the owner of Ariston Hamish Robertson who claimed that they had stolen his design. The Thiefenbruns won and the rest as they say is history. That is why the pre-Linn Ariston RD11 has a single point bearing shaft with no ball and the post Linn Ariston RD11 uses a ball bearing. Castle won the right to use Ariston's single point bearing. They simply made the original Ariston RD11 and renamed it the Linn Sondek LP 12. Linn acknowledged that they were using Ariston's design in their first advertisement as quoted above. The Original pre-Linn Ariston RD11 is the exact forerunner of the Linn LP 12. The first post Linn Ariston RD11 had to be different due to the court challenge, hence the ball bearing at the base of the spindle."

@michaelmcclean5169

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Thanks for that, it ties in with my explanation that the design and development was by Ivor of Linn. It was made by Castle for Hamish who did not design it.

@sgtgrash

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@@michaelmcclean5169 Hamish Robertson designed the RD11 in 1971 & subsequently contracted Castle Precision Engineering to machine certain parts for the product...

@lint8391

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@@sgtgrash Quite right Michael. It annoys me when people spread lies about who designed the Ariston RD11 / Linn LP12. Especially when it's re-writing history for commercial gain.

Great idea Tony