I agree with your video completely. I usually love Jesse’s videos, and got super excited to see he made a video about BJJ. Then I watched the video, and was confused… like, he has got to be joking, right? Aside from all the video evidence of BJJ working in the street, he also entered a gym and got completely recked by the guys there, so then I thought the video was going to be about “well maybe we should look into this BJJ thing to find out if it actually can work for self defense!” Then he ignored competition rules and subbed a blatantly new white belt, shared that the law enforcement statistic of ground fighting should be taken with a grain of salt, and concluded that BJJ doesn’t work for self defense… it was horrendous. First, to all the people saying that Jesse was playing a hard parody, making a joke, and of course he wasn’t being serious. He was pretty clear in his comment section he wasn’t joking. His comment section is full of replies agreeing with his video in a non sarcastic way, with Jesse responding along the lines of “I’m proud to share what I think is important.” If it was a joke, it would at least warrant a response saying that he was joking, and if he needs to say something about BJJ, it would be that sport BJJ rules don’t lend themselves to self defense. Jesse is instead pretty clear he thinks BJJ just doesn’t work, which he disproved in his own video getting rolled by upper belts… making the video more confusing… Then, I wonder how the response would be if an amateur MMA fighter entered a white belt karate tournament and only played takedowns to show that karate “doesn’t work”. After the reff at the tournament gets mad at the MMA fighter, then the fighter continues to brutalize the poor white belt he is competing against using his own considerable striking skills. It proves nothing except a serious lack of respect for his opponent and the competition in general. And finally, for the law enforcement statistic, a simple google search will find you an answer that 85% of street fights (law enforcement or not) do go to the ground… I was suspicious the second Jesse didn’t say anything about what the civilian statistic was, and that’s because it’s still pretty high. Overall, I was just disappointed in the video. If it was a joke, Jesse should have clarified that instead of agreeing with people in his comments treating it like it’s not a joke. Entering a tournament and beating up a new guy is a funny way of advertising yourself as an unbiased educator (for comedy or not), and getting shady with statistics while not sharing the real statistics… it all just displayed a level of quality and professionalism (or the lack thereof) that I really thought Jesse was above. I hope to see better content from him in the future; his open mindedness towards seemingly all martial arts is infectious and I have been seriously looking for places to cross train because of influences like him

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

Pinned this as it's the perfect summary. Thanks!

@Patrick-sh9tt

9 ай бұрын

It was a cowardly video, and I don’t use that word lightly. A true Karateka doesn’t act like that. Great video @englishmartialarts… your material is excellent.

@jonahwashburn1163

9 ай бұрын

@@Patrick-sh9tt I don’t know that I would use the word cowardly, though I respect your opinion if you choose to do so. My issue is with such a dogmatic video from someone who is so popular because of his normally unbiased approach to other martial arts. But I must say, I imagine Jesse would be horrified if someone treated one of his new students the same way he treated that white belt: ignoring competition rules, refusing to participate, and then using them as an excuse to say “insert martial art” doesn’t work (whether comedically intended or not). That poor white belt is now being used as an example of bad Jiu jitsu across the world, and a guy who is new to any martial art needs encouragement and praise for their bravery exploring a world that is new to them; he certainly doesn’t deserve to be treated the way Jesse (and now the internet through Jesse) treated/is treating him.

@pablotirado3993

9 ай бұрын

Spot on, I lost the respect I used to have for Jesse after watching his video on bjj.

@Patrick-sh9tt

9 ай бұрын

@@jonahwashburn1163 I agree with you 1000%. I don’t use the term cowardly lightly, but to humiliate a beginner in that way, simply for your own kicks and ego seems to me to be beyond reprehensible. The term privilege is used a lot these days, well here’s a perfect example of someone who had all the privileges in the world, grew up around martial arts, probably a black belt in his mid teens, and then he has to shame another human being in this way. It really smacks of someone with a nasty side to their personality, despite all the laughing and joking.

Let's face it, no art can survive someone who has been through a montage

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

🤣

@maninalift

9 ай бұрын

Worked for rocky every time.

@darynjackson816

9 ай бұрын

@@maninalift even Hulk Hogan was no match

@ericdietz1795

9 ай бұрын

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@Vlad_Tepes_III

9 ай бұрын

Martial or otherwise...

There is an element of satire in his video that is partially targeted at TMA die-hards as a critique on why they write-off "insert martial art here," he did something similar when he sparred a professional Muay Thai fighter. But there also appears to be an element of trying to draw parallels between how both Karate and Jiu Jitsu have strayed from their origins, and BJJ could be in danger of becoming as watered down as modern Karate is. In any case, I feel like the message got lost in being a little too "low-brow" than normal.

@ruiz1871

7 ай бұрын

Except the existence of mma will keep BJJ honest. Look at the career and techniques Damian Maia. Hes the best BJJ fighter of the last 15 years, because he proved it in the ring. Same with karate and wonderboy. He showed karate can still be relevant in combat.

Jesse’s video is a mix of humour and semi-serious points. The double-guard pull rabbit hole of bjj kind of sucks, and yet it’s very hard to flee an aggressive guard-player.

To my mind the question shouldn't be "has Jiu-Jitsu straying so far from its origins that it's become useless" but... how far away from it's origins can Jiu-Jitsu stray and still be called Jiu-Jitsu? I mean Jiu-Jitsu started as a form of battlefield grappling art in the Sengoku Jidai, then transitioned to a street self defense / police art in the Edo period, then in the Meiji it changed again, adopting a sporting element, but still heavily self defense oriented, then it spreads to Brazil where over time it focuses on groundwork, and then we come to modern no-gi which is essentially nothing like the original Japanese art.

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

That's an interesting subject for a video. Probably not for my channel though...

@JaxenChaz

9 ай бұрын

​@@EnglishMartialArtsI realize it's a little outside of your usual subject matter, but I for one would be interested in your take on it.

@lewisb85

9 ай бұрын

@@EnglishMartialArts But has it though? Aussie commando and Machado Sydney professor paul cale choked out a taliban leader on the battlefield in Afghanistan.

@brutalwork6042

9 ай бұрын

Stop calling Gracie's wrestling jiu jiutsu -problem solved. Oryginal Japan jiu jiutsu is still practiced. Maybe less as anti-weapon art, more hand to hand, but still.

@dragonballjiujitsu

9 ай бұрын

I have to agree with this. This is why I make such a huge difference in telling people I do NOT train sport BJJ. I train Gracie Jiu-Jitsu. There is a massive difference. We DO work takedowns, and striking.

I felt it was a bit of a parody of all the BJJ/MMAists parroting "Karate doesn't work!" It is pretty obvious that BJJ works but his point was also that things (including Karate, as he says at the end) only work in a tournament if you follow tournament rules which dictate your style of engagement (remember he spoke of the Olympic karate medal being won by the guy who was knocked out). Funnily enough, if you watch Sakuraba vs Royler Gracie, he does a similar thing to Jessie- refuses to engage in the grappling and just kicks the prone Gracie (who finds it very hard to reply and leaves his groin wide open at times). I think the joke was a bit subtle (or not delivered well).

I watched Jesse's video when it debuted, your commentary perfectly expressed how I felt. I was more disappointed in his video simply because he usually puts forth such high quality content. It just seemed like cheesy click bait to appeal to all the knuckleheads who believe BJJ is nothing more than butt-scooting or pulling guard on the street. Thank you for the added insights.

@liorsilberman6757

9 ай бұрын

Yes, thus response captures exactly what my reaction was too.

Uh, I thought it was obvious that Jesse’s video was a joke, or at least a light-hearted jab. Think about it, when does Jesse Enkamp ever go that far to completely discredit a martial art?

@adam-k

9 ай бұрын

That is how I saw it. And he does it with Karate too, all the time .

@DeltaOmaniac

9 ай бұрын

If you look at the comments under his video then his own audience are not treating it like a joke. He makes jokes in the video but that doesn't mean he isn't trying to make a larger point.

@Coldkill2001

9 ай бұрын

@@DeltaOmaniac I am his own audience, and the comments do not factor for everyone who does not comment

@JaxenChaz

9 ай бұрын

Agreed, I thought it was just trolling

@DeltaOmaniac

9 ай бұрын

@@Coldkill2001 Okay how do you expect me to factor in the opinions of people that haven't expressed their opinion? It would be extremely unusual if all his fans that commented had one opinion but then for some reason all the ones that didn't had another. Like I guess it's technically possible but extremely unlikely.

Imagine Jesse doing that experiment a couple years back and running into white belt Nicky Rod.

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

Lol! That would have been a very different video.

I could be wrong, but I think the point Jesse was trying to make is about the evolution of Jujitsu away from martial concepts. Such as less focus on standing up grappling and not pulling guard. He shows the effectiveness on the ground at the beginning of the video but the point he is trying to make is how to get there in the first place. It's actually not too different to the point Matt Easton made about having to be good at swordmanship to be able to close the distance in HEMA to be able to grapple. The ways Jesse delivers the message is intentionally provocative to get engagement, which has clearly worked 😂

@ZHBraden13

9 ай бұрын

Yea, I think that was his point as well. Not to show that it was "useless" or anything like that, but to show how far from its roots it had strayed.

@Patrick-sh9tt

9 ай бұрын

He doesn´t train Jiu Jitsu, so he has no knowledge about or place from which to make them assumptions. That is the point. He´s a novice who has limited knowledge of the art or sport and, as such, his opinion is useless. He´s simply rehashing online tropes for likes.

@ruiz1871

7 ай бұрын

Except that most black belts are actually pretty decent at wrestling by the time they have 10 years of training. I just got my black belt, I spent 5 years training mma and wrestling before switching to gi bjj. I can take most non-college wrestlers down with a single leg or double leg. Most people have no idea how to counter a simple single leg.

@Patrick-sh9tt

7 ай бұрын

@@ruiz1871 nail on the head.

Jesse’s bro is an mma fighter, I think he was just being cheeky. That said, bjj guys make loads of fun of karate having no experience with it. Everything works if you practice it against resistance for a long time.

@Patrick-sh9tt

9 ай бұрын

I’ve trained both extensively and most Karate these days is muck. Anyone who trains BJJ and combines with an MMA style class will see massive improvements very quickly.

@benephelps

9 ай бұрын

@@Patrick-sh9tt i agree. I am a bjj guy and if I was to cross train, I would chose MMA over anything else

Was I the only one who thought his video was intentional parody? Now Im confused. 😅

I think what Jesse was trying to point out is that modern sport BJJ has strayed so far from being useful self-defense that a practitioner would willingly sit down during an active confrontation.

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

So? It's sport BJJ, of course people will play to the rules.

@belishp

9 ай бұрын

@@EnglishMartialArts Would you do that during any active confrontation? If someone drunk started a fight with you, would you sit down and wait for them to enter your guard? The video is about how sport focused BJJ has strayed from the purpose of self-defense. Knowing that your opponent at any time could do something that you cannot predict is important in all confrontations, sport or otherwise. Why would you sit down and limit your ability to react in either situation? The fact that it is the rules in the sport are hindering the psychological part of the training.

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

@belishp so your argument is that any form of sport is pointless because it's not self defence?

@belishp

9 ай бұрын

@@EnglishMartialArts No, it is when the sport encourages actions that would get you hurt. Just because it is against the rules to kick someone in the face at a BJJ tournament does not mean that someone who is frustrated wouldn't do that.

@lewisb85

9 ай бұрын

@@belishp Hence why combat JJ etc exists

I watched his video. I do take all of your points. BJJ as it is now is not good for real world Street Self Defense. If someone were to pull Guard on the street, he'd get kicked to death or get his head stomped in was Jesse's point. I'd have to agree. Great video.

@amitnachman3840

9 ай бұрын

The real problem is slamming is not allowed in BJJ but if someone puts me in a guard on a hard suface I am absolutely slamming him into it.

@lsporter88

9 ай бұрын

@@amitnachman3840 The real problem is that everything is allowed on the street. Knives, clubs, multiple attackers, surprise, using your Loved Ones against you, ect.... To be effective is to survive and either escape or disarm and or disable your attacker(s) quickly. BJJ as it is now doesn't teach that.

I do think there is a problem with bjj groundwork that's highlighted partially with jesse's video. Most bjj practitioners train for someone who will engage in the guard retention-passing game, so they don't usually train to aggresively impose their will through groundwork as a wrestler would. So much so that standing up can be a viable strategy for taking top position in bjj sparring with how comfortable they are in guard.

@formlessone8246

9 ай бұрын

I mean, it's a point so well made that it should have been known long before Jessie had a black belt. Anyone who has watched the original fight between Sakuraba and the Gracies (I don't remember which member of the family it was, and it honestly doesn't matter) knows what is wrong with butt scooters and any other BJJ practitioner with an insufficient standing fight game. At first, Sakuraba went to the ground, and nearly lost the fight. He barely managed to get up, but being a highly skilled CACC wrestler, he did... and proceeded to refuse to go to the ground for almost the entire rest of the fight while Gracie made the mistake of doing the opposite. Sakuraba proceeded to kick him in the legs so many times that when Gracie tried to stand, he literally couldn't stay on his feet. Finally Sakuraba went to the ground on his own terms and got the submission quick. He was fresh, while Gracie was hurt. It should be an obvious thing, but I guess people have forgotten Sakuraba's old fights.

@johnporter6812

9 ай бұрын

Let's be honest,any grappling that involves throwing or slams will be pretty devastating on a concrete or Tarmac surface. When things become a sport ,it will always be different to some extent than a real life scenario, having said that I think the Pride rules for MMA made it more realistic than UFC rules, but then again if I am watching a combat sport,I prefer boxing as I just enjoy that more.

i love Jesse. i think he was just taking the piss during the entire parody video - and the training montages of him flinging stones off were ridiculously hilarious. That said, I think the video underlies a more important problem jits guys have in MMA due to their predilection to playing guard - which is holding a guy down after sweeping / taking him down.

@lewisb85

9 ай бұрын

really the trad martial arts youtubers are creaming their pants over this "revelation" and claiming victory.

I uh, think a lot of people are missing the point. There are a dime a dozen videos out there with titles like "Karate Doesn't Work: I proved it" or "How MMA DESTROYS Aikido," stuff like that. Enkamp just did a 1-for-1 with a popular martial art using the same exact logic. Heads predictably exploded, and few people realized what he was parodying.

@dallasburnworth

9 ай бұрын

That is exactly what I got out of Jesse's video, and I loved it!

@formlessone8246

9 ай бұрын

I didn't fail to notice. In fact, they have gotten so tiresome that I have gotten a lot more interested in those videos like Christopher Hein's take on the lost context of Aikido, or Sensei Seth's where he goes out to genuinely experience a new style of fighting that he has never done before rather than watch yet another trashing of Wing Chun or whatever the current punching bag is among MMA guys right now (because it's always the MMA guys making these kinds of videos, sorry not sorry).

@brdr6012

9 ай бұрын

@@formlessone8246 It boggles the mind. Yes, "traditional" martial arts guys should test their stuff and train hard. But these guys sit there pontificating behind a microphone, convincing people that "TKD dOeSnT W0rK!!1!" Because a front kick to the face doesn't count unless it's a kickboxing front kick, you see. Ramsey Dewey is the worst offender btw.

@formlessone8246

9 ай бұрын

@@brdr6012 I actually don't think Ramsey is the worst, but the guy from Martial Arts Journey is. Ramsey is willing to give Tai Chi credit for being effective once you actually realize what it was-- folk wrestling, the belief that it's a striking style is where people screw it up, but who could blame them when they don't know how to analyze shadow grappling?-- and moreover I remember him pointing out that the reason you don't see Aikido wristlocks in MMA right when the BJJ guys were discovering how effective they really can be is to do with the equipment. Turns out the wraps do a good job of protecting your wrists. Martial Arts Journey on the other hand only became successful as a KZread channel after making the entire point of his channel being these "let's trash other martial arts because I couldn't make Aikido work (because I didn't know what it was for)" videos. I won't say Ramsey is perfect since he is friends with that clown, but at least his channel is relatively free of this crap. He only makes videos on how a technique doesn't work when it's stuff like Dale Brown's content where he can show pretty clearly how it doesn't work the way it's being presented to the public.

Footwork, blocking strikes, takedowns, and defending takedowns are all effective in a real fight. Show me a fight where butt scooting is useful.

All he did was prove how artificial Sports competitions are. All the martial artists that are of course invested in these Sports competitions have the cognitive dissonance that they can't get past, that the rules of the sport are actually hurting the art itself. MMA fighters actually know less about martial arts than the average martial arts nerd on the internet. In order to be good at martial arts you have to be an athlete and guess what, most people in traditional styles are not athletes. Just like with Hema, if you're not a good swordsman wrestling will likely never matter.

I hold Shodans in Jujutsu and Judo trained twenty six years, and trained BJJ for two years. It wasn't for me. Starting on your arse or knees just isn't realistic. It's been totally watered down, just as Judo has been. I agree with Jesse. Stand up, disengage and a modern BJJ guy has no solution unless he's cross-trained.

@michaelswann9849

9 ай бұрын

Just admit you got rolled up and subbed and couldnt handle it haha.

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

The thing is Jesse showed he couldn't do that unless it was against a beginner.

@michaelswann9849

9 ай бұрын

@@EnglishMartialArts yes indeed I did not see the rest of his vid though

@davidcrawford8583

9 ай бұрын

@@michaelswann9849 And they couldn't take me down in a million years. Eliminate 90% of my game starting on the ground, it's simply ridiculous. I trained for self defence, not a game / sport.

@davidcrawford8583

9 ай бұрын

@@EnglishMartialArts but he's a beginner also.

It's crazy to me how much better most bjj guys would be if they just learned two or three solid takedowns. I know using the best of all time as examples isn't the best, but look at GSP or Mighty Mouse who despite having little to no previous wrestling experience, became some of the most efficient takedown artists in the sport. I think the main problem (if you can call it that) is that bjj guys tend to just rely on time to make their takedowns better, as opposed to training them like if they were important. Like maybe one or two of the the blackbelts will have a solid double leg, but some white belt in his thirties who wrestled for two years in secondary school will have the best takedowns in the club.

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

Ithink that depends very much on the club. Where I train our Professor has a solid takedown game, but we also have a couple of wrestlers and a 6th Dan in Judo. So mostly our takedowns are pretty good.

@michaelswann9849

9 ай бұрын

You really have no idea what youre talking about theres plenty of takedowns in bjj. Bug clownery

@davidemelia6296

9 ай бұрын

What makes you think that they don't?

@Patrick-sh9tt

9 ай бұрын

Dude has obviously never trained Jiu Jitsu, go back to bed, and stick to the video games.

@ruiz1871

7 ай бұрын

I have a pretty good single leg and a few other throws. I never ever pull guard in competition and mostly play a passing game. My whole guard style is based around chain wrestling from open guard or x-guard/half-guard. Its a very popular style in todays game, google wrestling up in bjj.

Was randomly suggested this video yesterday, watched it up until the competition footage and then merely assumed it was a piss take. My only martial arts training was a couple of years of taekwondo before my chronic fatigue set in 35 years ago and even I could see the low skill level of the opponent. Reminds me of entering a beginners only tournament where with probably only half a year's experience I lost to a black tag who was a couple of weeks from his black belt grading (mind you it was fun if a little one sided).

Ohhh, wait a minute. This video is the one that was just made for engagement

I think the original video is a bit clickbait-y but the point I took away personally was this; What if our opponents simply refused to play along? Can you still apply what you practice? As practitioners what are we expecting? Are you flexible enough or do you have the tools to deal with that? My forte is striking (I've done a fair bit of grappling as well) and from that viewpoint, for me, it's like a striker vs a grappler...the grappler can "win" if they refuse to play my striking game. A wrestler can "win" if they refuse to play the BJJ guard game, etc. Of course it's never that simple... But when I watched the original vid, I thought to myself, it's a shame the white belt didn't seem to know any other ways to force Jesse into his game other than pulling guard. Is it because he's a white belt? Is it a hole in BJJ in general? Is it a sport problem? The school? Who knows lol... Anyway, just got me thinking.

KZread suggested his video to me. I read the title, eye rolled, and scrolled past. Thank you for watching so I didn't have to. FIGHT TEAM!

I am a bit thick so sometimes get the wrong end of the stick, but I thought Jesse was taking the piss a bit? The silly montage, showing him getting torn apart by competent practitioners - I thought it was a joke about the "I would just" crowd?

@Lacerik

9 ай бұрын

Absolutely how I read it as well.

@2adamast

9 ай бұрын

And this is a "I was really disappointed by" video. Just indistinguishably subtle.

Yes to my deepest regret, I viewed the video. Pandering is to a kind word to use. And I agree with your sentiments regarding Jesse Encamp. I am tempted to use profanity to articulate my thoughts on the matter but since I am an elderly gentleman I shall refrain from its use. However Sir thank you for bringing joy to an elderly gentleman heart but you also bring insights that are thought provoking. Once again thank you for sharing your expertise and knowledge on the subject. It was most illuminating. God bless you and your handsome family!

Good video man. Makes me think what the reaction would be if you sent a Muay Thai nerd who’d been training since he was a kid to a white-belt Karate tournament and wrote the latter art off as a result of the inevitable kicking the karatekas would receive. Let alone a BJJ black belt who just decided to spam imminari rolls and heel hooks.

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

I'd love to see both those things.

I like this video also because you put over your argument so clearly and succinctly.

No man, you misunderstood him. Jesse is known for making his videos satirical. He did the same thing with muay thai. I don't know if it's a Swedish thing, but his sense of humor is somewhat strange. In his own way he was trying to tell us that no art is perfect, complete on it's own, and we should be aware of the gaps.

He wins the match with a technique he learned from a BJJ practitioner earlier in the video. "I used BJJ to prove BJJ doesn't work." Ok. 🤣

Yes. I pretty much agree with his video. He is merely pointing out that BJJ is becoming watered down just like Karate, Aiki Jujitsu, Judo, TKD, and all the rest did before it. Because to be that popular, it can’t be that hard. For example; Adult students literally hate being thrown, so if your school has a lot of throws, many stop coming. They just want to roll around and Larp. Most people aren’t serious competitors. They can’t be injured. They have to work, take kids to soccer practice, etc., Most practitioners are not elite athletes and most haven’t trained for 5 or 10 years.

He wasn't writing it off. He on the contrary showed that he is willing to train in all sorts of martial arts and get well-rounded. It was tongue in cheek, showing that the critique made of traditional karate can be made of almost any art, including effective ones. Maybe the point was not formulated as clearly as it could have been, but he was making the point that no martial art it perfect.

I did watch the video, and I liked it. If in a tournament your rules are becoming so far removed from reality that dropping to the ground is a viable tactic in a fight, your whole martial art has a deeper running problem. Tournaments are supposed to show the best your martial art has to offer. Whether the guy he was facing was good or not is debatable, and it was weird Jesse got a gold medal for his efforts (staged? admittedly the whole tone was weird), it is a well known fact that you can win BJJ tournaments by dropping on your back (pulling guard my butt, it's stupid in any fighting context, imagine a boxer or an MMA fighter pulling that sort of crap). This needs to be addressed, not denied.

Yeah I watched the vid, and my first thought was that he managed to beat a beginner. As someone who loves historical martial arts, I get the disappointment that he expressed about BJJ evolving so far away from its counterparts, but let’s be honest. Traditional koryu jujutsu schools still exist and their goal is to preserve the techniques and forms. Maybe if they also engaged in more competitive formats, they could get more people interested and spread the art to a wider group of people, but that is beside the point. BJJ never really claimed to be the exact same as the Samurai’s art. Most of its reputation rests on the claim that it is effective against non-compliant opponents from a wide variety of backgrounds, and it has proven itself many times over, including in the whole first half of Jesse’s video where he keeps getting smashed by higher level belts.

Fight Team! I get where you are coming from and you present a strong argument. One that can't be refuted in a simple post, but I will sorta side with Jesse here. The thing is he placed. If he drowned in pools then he wouldn't have a standing, but he ranked. Jesse shown that you can do to BJJ that can't be done to other martial arts-- completely ignore a foundation of the art and still be competent. You can't ignore the pocket as a boxer, you can't ignore the pummel as a wrestler, you can't ignore the mid-strike as a Karata, and you can't ignore the stances as a Kung Fu practitioner. By trying to ignore the foundational engagement of those martial arts, you WILL get ran over. A Boxer with set the tempo, a wrestler will laugh and form a steel chair from the fading hope of your delusional dreams, etc. You just won't win. What Jesse did was win a basketball game without defending the opponent. He won a soccer game by not using the center or top field, he won a hockey game without a goalie. I get where you are coming from, but I think you need to reshape a more stern argument in order to refute him.

@jonahwashburn1163

9 ай бұрын

Yes, Jesse did manage to not engage with a white belt, and then submit them, and then say because he beat a white belt, he said BJJ doesn’t work. Imagine if a college wrestler took on a boxer who had been boxing for 6 months, how would that end? The boxer would be taken down immediately. Should we then assume that boxing doesn’t work? No, that would be silly. BJJ tournaments are not to simulate fighting, but to test which competitor is the better ground fighter; because of this, if a competitor pulls guard, the rules say you must engage. Does this convert to actual fighting? Nope, not at all. Does it help to prove who is better on the ground? Yep, that’s the point. If Jesse had said he was debunking sport BJJ rules for self defense, then he is right. Instead, he applied his findings beating a white belt by not keeping tournament rules to the entire art of BJJ, which is ridiculous. If Jesse wanted to engage a purple belt or higher, he would find not engaging to be completely ineffective. I would say that’s the primary issue with the video; it’s like if you were to beat a chess beginner and conclude that the whole world of chess has nothing to offer. In fact, in the video Jesse did try to disengage from a purple belt, brown belt, and black belt, and admitted he was completely unable to do so. If Jesse would be willing to spar with that purple belt (beginning standing) then we would be able to easily see you can’t not engage.

You are so right! I have a purple belt and have tons of takedowns. I was so mad at this video 😂😂

I'm surprised at the stir this video is causing. I assumed Jesse was just indulging in a bit of harmless trolling. One thing you brought up that I had not considered, is that this silly video will be used as "proof" to satisfy the confirmation bias of lots of people who know nothing about grappling. In all seriousness, that is unfortunate. On the other hand, anyone citing Jesse's video as an excuse to avoid training outs themselves as a fool. IMHO, an honest martial artist watches this and says "haha that's funny, yeah I really should work on my takedowns, top game, and pins 😅". A guy looking for an excuse says, "see, I told you there was no point in learning grappling!" Anyway: FIGHT TEAM!

It's not the training in a montage that makes one overpowered, it's the music used in it.

Why would a brand new BJJ white belt enter a competition?

“Clearly that’s bollocks, right?”- I think I found a new ringtone.

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

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I am a 3rd Degree Blackbelt in TKD and a purple belt in BJJ. I have also studied Kung Fu and Judo. When I started BJJ I discovered that my years of TKD were relatively useless. If you want to see if BJJ works, go against a purple belt or higher and see what happens. I happen to like Jesse Encampe. He is entertaining and informative and his karate is very good. His brother Oliver is a skilled grappler. I think it's all just for show, because Jesse actually knows that BJJ does indeed work.

I really enjoy Jesse's videos on karate. I've never actually practiced karate though. After seeing Jesse's videos on BJJ, muay Thai, aikido and boxing... I'm starting to think maybe his videos of karate aren't actually very representative of karate.

I totally agree. I also love Jesse's videos, but like you (and others commenting here), I was confused as to the point of this video. A better way to "prove" whether BJJ works or not, would have been to do another MMA match, against someone that is strong in BJJ. That way, Jesse could have worked his strengths directly against a fighter that is strong in BJJ. That would have been a better litmus test for whether it works or not. The issue with that video, is we've already seen it. There's plenty of UFC, Belator, and other MMA fights out there, where one fighter is strong with striking, and the other is strong in BJJ. Look at Ronda Rousey. She made her career submitting others in the octagon. Those fights are proof alone that BJJ works, even when the opponent is able to fight back and resist with striking.

Jesse's video is clearly lighthearted and I think he's laughing with the BJJ community rather than at it. He's a very experienced martial artist himself and ofc his brother is a professional MMA fighter (I think the BJJ class in the vid is shot in their family's martial arts club). But I think Jesse makes an important point here, context is everything. BJJ evolved at a particular time and place to meet a particular need and it's very, very good at that...but that isn't everything. Classical Jujitsu is much better suited to combatants in armour, especially when one or both fighters are almost certainly armed. If MMA included rubber weapons and you could score 'instant knockouts' with a dummy knife then it would be a vastly different sport. The fact is quite a few BJJ fighters would be flumoxed by their opponent simply standing back up again, at least in the context of a BJJ tournament. A striker who can grapple and is very good at takedown defence is a staple of MMA these days (oh look, we just invented sprawl and brawl!), so this is a valid strategy that's been proven time and again. The best thing is to learn at much as you can from as many skilled people as you can, even MMA people (usually) lack weapon's skills and that's where those of us in the HEMA community get to shine. Great video as always!

The point of his video was just to show BJJ limitations( joke?) as in any style, BJJ is great sport that does have some self-defence( but no striking is madness) whereas real violence is variable and a lottery in its outcome

Even though Jesse's video doesn't exactly prove the point its trying to make, I think there is validity to the claim that BJJ people generally have a hard time holding people down. Graig Jones as talked about this. We see this new amarican BJJ trend and a general mixing of wrestling and BJJ because of, not just the obvious lack of takedown but also pinning proficiency. I'm a purple belt and have done martial arts for 15 years. I find this to be true against people of similar skill - like Jesse and the white belt. So a blue belt can 'easily' just stand up against another blue belt (and often against purple as well). However if you introduce striking - even in a playful rolling manner - just standing up becomes easy across belt ranks. As with all fighting - the prequisite is a modicum of skill. Everything work against people with no skill :-D My understanding is that core inovaters in BJJ are currently closeing the holes - the as of now. The critique does have some merit Am I completely off? Cheers

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

I think your point is sound. There are definitely flaws in BJJ and areas of practice that are sadly lacking. Coming into BJJ from Catch kinda gives me a skewed view, I guess.

Fight Team! I totally agree with you on the video. I don't watch much of Jesse's videos but this isn't his usual style. He doesn't seem like the person to bait people and start arguments. Maybe his views are dropping and that's why he's doing it. I feel like this is what happen to Shad when his nunchaku video went viral because it anger so many people. A lot of his videos seem more bating than actual test and experiments.That's not including his political channel which is growing more and more. Anyways we'll see how Jesse does in the Ultimate Self Defense Championship. That should be interesting.

i agree with you joining in the discussion! ;)

Any martial art can become watered down. Karate used to be so heavy in stand up grappling (due to it's origins in Tegumi, NOT kung fu) that when the founder of Judo, Jigoro Kano, witnessed a karate demonstration first hand, he told the demonstrator (Kenwa Mabuni) that if he were at the Kodokan, he'd get a 4th Dan in Judo "on the spot". Then karate fully moved into Japan and the Japanese changed it's focus to unattached striking elements (rather than it's clinch fighting origins) because they already had Sumo, Jujitsu and Judo. Then Funakoshi's son et al added the higher kicks from Savate. No one questions Dutch kickboxing, but Dutch kickboxing comes from kickboxing, and kickboxing comes from the aforementioned Japanese version of karate, and the kicks of that type of karate come from Savate, but you don't see many people winning MMA with a Savate background. The question is, how do you train the techniques that your art contains, and do you neglect any of those techniques to focus on some sport version of your art that only competes against itself?

Yeah, Jesse was teasing. He's probably (maybe not realising it) referencing when the Kodokan came across a jujitsu school that decided to lie down when they fought to win the bouts. The judoka would lie down with them and lose (originally). Then more effort was put in newaza. Remember though, a man in guard wouldn't last long against a sweeping sword cut. If you are to be good in all distances, you need to train them all and then pressure test everything. Hmmmmmmm, sounds like MMA. Although multiple attackers would need addressing if attackers actually understood how to attack simultaneously. Wrestling takedowns were always more effective than BJJ where everyone is pulling guard. RNCs are great, but how many times do you complete these standing in BJJ? Zero for me at BJJ, but when I'd do CSW (Combat Submissive Wrestling) we'd do a standing triangle chokes all the time. Meh, we're in a world where clicks are better than the full truth. Outraged BJJ practitioners watching Jesse's vids are now income. This is happening everywhere now. The truth stopped being important when untruths get more clicks....

Exacly, fight team!

I agree with you! 🙋🙏

Yeah Jessie made a fool of himself in this

Having watched a few of his videos I think the whole take was intended to prove that the myth was false. i think the whole thing came off funny. I'm somewhat surprised to see that other people are taking the video as serious.

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

I think it could have been funny. If he'd tried it against people with experience and skill and managed to pull it off. But he didn't. He trolled a newbie for the amusement of strangers on the Internet. That's not funny, it's definitely not in the spirit of martial arts, and it makes him come across as a dick.

Yeah I had buyers remorse 12 seconds in to Jesse's video which escalated to a harrowing chasm of emptiness and regret by the end.

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

Beautifully put.

Jesse, the so-called Karate nerd is a click bait artist and nothing special. His audience are based on insulting other karate arts, Aikido, Judo and other arts. His video and his time are not worth it. Love your vids contents. Fight Team!!

I watched the video and Jesse is correct if you can't take someone down grappling does not work. I don't think Jesse knows how to build the house to actually stand up. Finally at the BJJ school how many starts standing? If they started on their knees Jesses screwed. That opinion comes from me doing wrestling, BJJ and karate. I could stand up away from black and brown belts, but if I tried to stay on the ground they would beat me. But yes Jesse did a bit of a dickish video

I feel the same I usually love his content,however it was basically him trying to prove bjj “doesn’t work” by using bjj against a fairly new practitioner

Everyone who has trained Karate, should read Lyoto Machida’s The Code of the Dragon. There you see a Karateka who grew up, like Enkamp, in a martial arts family, but who ultimately realised that he needed to cross train in Muay Thai and BJJ(Black belt) if he was ever to become truly rounded. A true martial artist and not a snake oil salesman like our Swedish friend.

@lewisb85

9 ай бұрын

Yet he idolises the machida's oh the irony.

@jackreacher4488

9 ай бұрын

You need to do more research before writing Jesse off as a snake oil salesman.

Maybe not Jesse's best video. But if you follow him regularly, you'd know he knows (B)JJ works. He has a brother... I think he was just having a go at this cult-like worshiping of BJJ that is going on the last couple of years.

I understand what Jesse was doing and agree with it to an extent. His opponent was a bit of a joke, no offense to him (but would be interesting to see Jesse do that again to him a year later). But that's because he's brand new. And newsflash, the only people that are truly separate objectively in skill and technique are 4 stripe white belts and higher. Generally speaking, throughout the entire time of being a white belt in jiu-jitsu all the way until you get your blue belt, you're just figuring out how to move, defend, attack, and how not to screw yourself. The problem is, as a white belt, you tend to find ways to screw yourself moreso than what you should be doing correctly. ESPECIALLY attacking. In summary, you suck at BJJ when carrying a white belt almost the entire time until it finally clicks BIG TIME like 3 or 4 stripes later. In my experience. 😅

I do both Karate and BJJ........ Jesse should of had a better thesis because the BJJ he did worked.

I didn't watch it because I avoid click bait titles, its sad if he actually said he proved his point in this way. Proving that something doesn't work when that something is done by someone that can't do it is ridiculous.

I disagree because BJJ is not promoted merely as a ground fighting component but rather as a more or less complete self defence art that only needs other stuff added to it for MMA fights where your opponents will also know how to grapple. Against this backdrop, Jesse’s point - that BJJ only works if you are willing to go to the ground and you can get around this by simply standing up - is a good one. I’m not sure the criticism that he beat a novice as if he was “punching down” really washes when you remember that Jesse was new to BJJ himself. Also, while he might have got owned in the BJJ classes, I don’t think he was trying his “just stand up” tactic against them.

Gotta take it with a grain of salt bruh . He also said that karate has gone the same way in competition. Where getting knocked out can make you a champion which happened in Olympics karate ( shame )

Completely agree with your video. I usually respect what Jesse Enkamp does and he has changed my opinion about karate but his latest attempt to “debunk” bjj is purely ridiculous. He tries to show that bjj “doesn’t work” by beating a white belt 😂. He should spar a black belt or even a good blue belt starting from standing, I’m 100% sure that the fight would go completely different.

Instead of bashing other styles, we should embrace their differences. I believe that all styles has their advantages and disadvantages.

I feel like I understood what Jesse was getting at: He's trying to take BJJ "down a peg", because people venerate it so much. I think he understands it's a sport, with sporting rules, completely. After all, he used to do modern, western Karate. So he's clearly trading on the fact that his video will reach people that think BJJ is some do-all system. (Though UFC1 kind of proved it was!). I guess people who are "into" BJJ see it for the sport that it is, but outside it's a bit of a mystical super power. I'd really like to see a resurgence of "proper" Jiujitsu, aka the thing that BJJ and Judo both descended from. Because BJJ and Judo are both incredibly effective forms of fighting in their relevant domain (ground, and staying standing at all costs) so it's a shame we don't have a popular version that combines both to make a well rounded fighter.

@definitlynotbenlente7671

7 ай бұрын

Then he should not compete at an bjj tournament ment for beginners it was unsportsmanlike to do that go fight a furst or second degree black belt

I rhink he should have put a different title on his video. His main point was that jui jitsu was originally designed to fight only if knocked or tackled to the ground. Its not impossible to remain standing against a good purple or brown belt. A number of people have done it.

I had watched the video and I got a very tongue in cheek vibe from it. With as intelligent as Jesse seems to be I don't think he is honestly claiming BJJ doesn't work. I took it as a humorous way to point a few things out about how sport BJJ has drifted from its origin. As far as just standing up goes I think we all know, the grapplers anyway, how hard that can be. On the other hand sometimes you can, in fact, just stand up.

my thoughts on the video are mixed - I think he has some points but he put them very poorly. A better example of BJJ 'not working' is Cyborg vs Schaub at metamoris. a lot of people hated Schaub for not engaging / running away, but there were times he was in Cyborg's half-guard and Cyborg wasn't able to make things happen; similar to Royce vs Ken Shamrock 2 at UFC 5, with Shamrock being in Royce's guard most of the time. Those are I think better examples of how playing "anti jiu-jitsu" can really mess with people who expect you to "play BJJ". But yeah I think Jesse's video could have been done much better and brought up those fights or others and focussed more specifically on a particular issue with BJJ.

I think Jesse was saying that "Tongue in cheek". He said at the end, I believe jokingly: "If he had just stood up I couldn't have choked him." He knows he proved just the opposite of what he was saying. It was however unfair to use the tournament and the white belt to carry out his little joke video.

At the end of the day, he showed that a combat sport is not a martial art.... period. I would call that a success in most regards. We can't practice violence, because it will result in everyone dying , quickly. So we create simulations of violence (Martial Arts). The value of a simulation is directly derived from how small the lies are.

You expressed most of my thoughts and observations, just more verbose. Sometimes it is hard to read Jesse, he has been obviously humorous and joking around at times, but it is not so clear in this video. Maybe he's reacting to those who think it's still 1993 and no-one has figured out sprawling or other "anti-jiu-jitsu" to win a UFC fight. They are the opposite end of those who think the Karate Kid is realistic and UFC never happened. There are cultic, BJJ fan boys who ignorantly comment on Karate and other martial arts as being inferior, and "don't work" etc. It always depends on the school, the student, the instructor, the methodology etc. FWIW I train BJJ, blue belt.

Nailed it on the head! The issue that pulling guard and competing in a fashion that's largely removed from its historic purposes can be called out in a myriad of ways, the worst way being to enter a modern bjj competition and refusing to follow competition etiquette. Especially against a brand new white belt. Big fan of Jesse, but if he really wanted to do that experiment to see if a non practitioner can stop bjj from working, he should've just tried it on the mats against someone who is well versed in the art. It makes no sense to enter a competition and refuse to engage until you finally use bjj to win. You've proven nothing, and you've made the millionth video out there criticizing guard pulling for self defense reasons.

I practice gun-fu and consider it superior to any other fighting style. Too bad it's "disallowed" from martial arts tournaments for being "unsporting" and/or "cheating." I think they just don't want people to prove how inferior their fighting styles are to my "point and shoot gun" techniques. /j

I have not watched any of Jessie's videos, so I cannot in good faith express any idea as to whether he was serious of has an odd sense of humor. However, I am pretty good-looking, so I can confirm that claim by Oz. FIGHT TEAM!

Ok but, if you took a bjj blackbelt who only did bjj, and made them compete in an ashihara karate tournament after sparring 3 times and getting some tricks from an mma fighter and he tried to just run, against whitebelts who actually trained for the ashihara ruleset... you would get a knocked out bjj blackbelt in less than a minute...(ashihara is like a mix between kyokushin sttrength and shotokan speed... bjj athletes, even the best, are not particulary fast on their feet... i know... i train both bjj and a style similar to ashihara karate...)

@Patrick-sh9tt

7 ай бұрын

The opposite is actually true. If you get a tough dude who has never trained but knows how to swing punches and has been in plenty fights as a kid, there is a strong chance he could knock the other person out, karate or not. Again, we are talking about someone who is not willing to play by the Ashihara rules here. One thing is engaging in the Karate stance and fighting with honour, the other is a spaz, and spazzes are far more dangerous on their feet. That was the idea with Gracie Jiu Jitsu originally, that taking a wild, untrained, albeit dangerous person to the ground was the most effective way of disarming their most dangerous possibilities to hurt or damage you. Unfortunately, that message is being lost due to sportification but it still holds up to this day. Again, I am not saying Ashihara Karate is not effective, I am simply making the point that there is far less guarantee when strikes are involved.

@gingercore69

7 ай бұрын

@@Patrick-sh9tt ashihara has standup grappling, the typical strategy is to throw the guy hard on the ground and punch them... also, ashihara throws are pretty quick

@gingercore69

7 ай бұрын

@@Patrick-sh9tt so, like.. if you think bjj has a chance because of grappling, ashihar ahas the same from ground and pound... but talking about the tournament rules specifically... of what would happen if you take a bjj blackbelt and made them compete in ashihara... you would have a broken bjj guy thinking bout what decisions in their life should have been different sonhe didnt get to the point where a whitebelt in another style caused a concusion on him

@Patrick-sh9tt

7 ай бұрын

@@gingercore69 not necessarily and I refer you to my original point. Punching ppl on the ground opens up a tonne of dangers for the attacker. It’s not quite as easy as you make it sound.

@gingercore69

7 ай бұрын

@@Patrick-sh9tt are you trianed in a style that does that? Im currently training in bjj, mma nad sipalki... sipalki is very similar to ashihara karate... i know what im talking about... most of my bjj training partners wouldnt last a round of sipalki, and the ones that do are the ones who do mma...

Jesse's video is definitely the kind that it might as well be a coin toss on whether or not it holds weight, but I wouldn't dismiss his arguments entirely. BJJ (like all other martial arts) is indeed developing weaknesses when it comes to effectiveness. One of the main reasons BJJ seemed to have such an incredible winning streak is because it basically came out of nowhere, and focused on a less common aspect of fighting (grappling) and centered on a niche platform that other martial arts struggled with (ground fighting). NOw that its been around for awhile, people have taken time to analyze it far more thoroughly like they have with other Martial Arts. That said, Jesse's video did point out that outside that niche area, BJJ has several gaps in its style that need to be addressed. It's the main why MCMAP, L.I.N.E. and other government programs cherry-pick through several arts when designing their military instead of just sticking to one.

@definitlynotbenlente7671

7 ай бұрын

It is not the criticism of bjj that is my problem with the video but the way he goes about it in a very unsportsmanlike way

You make references to the Bujinkan frequently and slag it off. Granted there are some idiots out there who do not help matters, but there are plenty of TMA et al who are military. LEO, Security/body guard types who use these arts (including bujinkan) to great effect. It just so happens that on this occasion Jesse picked on an art that you're hung up on. If you're going to slag off other arts then at least have the good grace to accept when your flaws are pointed out to you. All arts can be effective if used properly, and I love BJJ, but it is not the be all and end all.

Although I wouldnt go as far as to say that BJJ is useless, some of his criticisms are still valid. The IBJJF rules don't encourage good fighting habits. (the excuse that "it is a sport" is just horrible, it is supposed to be a combat sport and also a martial art, and at least it should encourage the self defence habits it is supposed to give you). Takedowns and takedown defence (present in the origins of BJJ), are skills that can end a fight instantly and need a lot of practice but the rules do not encourage them The IBJJF should, at least, mimic the ADCC rules regarding guard pulling and takedowns. If you want to pull guard it is ok, but at least force it to be active, make the mere sitting on your butt at least as risky as working your ass for a takedown. And let's be fair to Jesse. In the same video he also criticized Karate and gave an example of someone who lost a medal buy knocking out the opponent.

I nailed a sweet double overhook suplex at open mat yesterday and even turned my opponent's standing guillotine into a kata guruma. Thought to myself "Oz would be proud." Do you have a go-to set of grips in the gi that let you fire off your favorite takedowns?

Maybe Jesse was really trying to show how poor combat systems get when they stray too much toward 'sport' and lose their combat edge? a bit like Lichtenauer et al writing about Ringen vs Kampfringen? What I find interesting is that no one single system is best but rather picking techniques from a number of styles, After doing Shotokan myself for 5 years as a teenager and then spending 20years in the Police, including being an Operational Skills and Tactics Trainer for 15 years I always found having a small # of techniques that suit your fighting mentality done really well always stands you in good stead to win your encounter. only just discovered your channel and really enjoying it.

@lewisb85

9 ай бұрын

But the "sport vs street" is bollocks, bjj used in mma is actually what would be seen as "street" bjj. Whilst a grappling tournament is different, if your professor doesn't point out the difference they are a bit crap. It's like my other hobby half pipe vs racing different skills but it still falls under bmx.

@poniatowski3547

9 ай бұрын

@@lewisb85 mma is the most street analogous form of tournament fighting you get. Isnt it’s very creation about exactly that. It’s the one ‘sport’ that’s the outlier. Nothing is ever definitive, congrats you picked the outlier straight up. I would note that mma is also an amalgam of styles, the very thing I was alluding to.

Yeah I think you missed the point. Jesse was just doing what most so called martial artist do all the time. They claim a technique doesn't work without really even truly knowing what or how that technique works. They base it on amateurs who are not as skilled and because they are not able to. implement it, then it doesn't work. He was making a point. That there are many martial arts that work in many situations. And just because it doesn't work in the ring doesn't mean it doesn't work.

Yeah, whereas I always feel BJJ is vastly overrated as a *standalone* (layonyourbackalone?) self defense system in real-world scenarios, I thought Jesse's video wasn't really fair when I first watched it. As you said, he didn't really do well against anyone except the rookie. I also felt it was out of character for Jesse. He usually is very respectful and open minded (e.g., watch him pretend to take Steven Segal seriously as a legit master in other videos😂).

we have a name for a dude who goes into a competition who doesn't know the rules and doesn't compete in good faith, an asshole. Yeah I don't disagree there are issues with BJJ rule sets, I"m a BJJ black belt and have cross trained in Judo, Sambo, and CACC, really love grappling and seek to be a well rounded grappler. Takedowns, wrestle ups, and contesting matches on the feet are become more and more a feature of the competition scene, especially in No Gi where there are some very good wrestlers. I invite Jesse to walk into B Team, sign their KZread waiver, and see how that goes.

Hmm. Some of Enkamp's video seems unfair, but he may have a bit of a point--his opponent has surprisingly little in the throwing department. I thought BJJ practitioners knew jazz like that.

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

People don't magically become amazing at throws and takedowns from walking into a BJJ gym. His opponent was a new whitebelt...

@ericdietz1795

9 ай бұрын

@@EnglishMartialArts I wouldn't expect *amazing* from a newbie, but this guy doesn't seem to know anything but drag the opponent to the ground. Again: I thought throws were part of the BJJ repertoire.

@definitlynotbenlente7671

7 ай бұрын

He should spar a 2nd degree black belt instead of beating on a white belt

I think the truth is somewhere in between. I’ve trained in both Sankukai Karate and Muay Thai for many years and I personally get tired of everyone evangelising about BJJ. there is a lot of snobbery amongst the grappling community that they practice the only good, real martial art that actually works in any capacity at all, to be fair it’s tiring. So I can see why Jesse made this video. It is a bit click baity though 😂

Jesse prove a very good point that if u traing anti jujitsu for 3weeks and grapple a 3month traing jujitsu guy

Part of the charm with Jesse is that his tongue is at minimum halfway in his cheek at all times. It can be frustrating from a purely analytical sense, and I'm sure he does have at least some belief in what he's saying, but a lot of what he does is also an underhanded 'take that' at people who claimed for years that karate "stinks" even when shown a variety of historical and recent accounts of it, in fact, not stinking, and of high level combat athletes like Lyoto Machida and Chuck Lidell who have made one style or another their base. But, maybe this is just excessive defense of someone who has so brilliantly defended, promoted, and at helped to 'restore' "my" martial art. 😅

@davidemelia6296

9 ай бұрын

-is that his tongue is at minimum halfway in his cheek at all times- It's called 'insincerity'.

@Gambitfan

9 ай бұрын

If you're a humorless git, sure. 🤷‍♂

@davidemelia6296

9 ай бұрын

I don't see the humour in someone who's ignorant about 'real self defence' giving such strong opinions about it and misinforming millions of people who are also ignorant. YMMV. That's okay.

@Gambitfan

9 ай бұрын

Anyone who actually watches Jesse's content knows he's not ignorant of "real self defence", sorry bro.

It seems a little half assed,though the training montage made me lol a couple times. I think he realize that disengaging by standing up is a skill in itself, But hyperbole and clickbait is a sign of the times. As for standing up and disengaging it is a exploitable weakness of BJJ based submission grappling that there is sort of a gentlemans agreement that once you get down there it stays down there .

@Lacerik

9 ай бұрын

Right, I think Jesse's point may be that these "gentleman's agreements" exist in practically all combat sports. In Kyokushin karate competitions you don't punch to the head for instance, same as you don't bite, twist the testes, or just stand up at a bjj comp.

I like Jesse's channel very much, but I agree with your assessment 100%. This was not Jesse's best argument. Its overly simplistic and just basically rude -- which is really out of character for Jesse, who seems like a very nice guy usually. I do think BJJ is overrated when taken out of context. But my argument is less that "you can stand up" and more that the kind of chessmatch-style complex sequencing form of grappling is only possible in the very restricted rule set of sport BJJ -- you can't do a four move grappling sequence when a guy can strike you, when your vitals (throat, eyes, genitals, etc.) are at risk, or when the clothes/ground is not ideal. When applied in context, BJJ can be devastating -- I do study it (some), but I try to focus on doing more basic moves well and integrated with a striking-minded clinch.

I was disappointed when I saw the video too. He really demonstrated how effective BJJ was while rolling with colour belts half way through his own video. I think he had a vision and just pushed on through. Like a scientist ignoring their own findings.

@EnglishMartialArts

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, its definitely a video done for engagement and not education, that's for sure.

@Coldkill2001

9 ай бұрын

@@EnglishMartialArtsit was a joke video. He was mocking the very perception that you’re accusing him of

@Lacerik

9 ай бұрын

@@Coldkill2001Exactly this and @EnglishMartialArts is only showing off a profound lack of reflection and awareness by missing this.

@Coldkill2001

9 ай бұрын

@@Lacerik I guess it can be easy to miss? Jesse speaks in a way that doesn’t always make it obvious when he’s joking, but being a fan, I could tell he was just goofing around. He wouldn’t disrespect BJJ like that

@DeathxThexKid100

9 ай бұрын

​​@@Coldkill2001Maybe, instead of you advocating for a person that is alive and able to respond to the criticism, you should let them defend themselves? Or better yet, encourage them to openly address the criticism. Because we all can have this discussion all day with no decisive conclusion as to what Jesse Enkamp's intention was creating/posting the video. I get what you're saying, but Jesse dug himself this hole, he can put the dirt back himself.

Totally agree.. I think that the intent of the script of the video was to be *more* satirical, but the outcome was not as intended... I mean, it was all a bit of a dick move, but is not the way Jesse usually does things 🤔 I was a lot perplexed when I saw it

You are right what he did was wrong

I think you, like most of the BJJ-bros, missed the point completely. To me the point was Jesse dissing his own art, in which you can presently you cannwin an Olympic gold even though you are knocked out cold. Karate ir whatever in was called before it entered Japan used to be a style of boxing, now it is a pass time for children. This can and will happen to BJJ, unless something changes in the ruleset, because goddamit the present ruleset is dumb, Imagine some random asshole entering a boxing, wrestling or judo tournament, do you think they would win with just evading for the whole time and refusing to play? I think not, but BJJ has kinda painted itself into the corner and Jesse was pretty smart to show the obvious.

I haven't watched the video, but I think your right.

Well that video was very Tongue-in-cheek.. I would like to see these "impressive" black belts fight multiple partners that won't wait their turn.. i'll be fair and won't let them being weapons.

Judo man here... But most people don't know... BJJ or Karate. 😄