Crystal Towe is indeed mandatory for MSQ. You cannot progress to a quest until you do the Crystal Tower alliance raids.

@belld.s5276

2 жыл бұрын

I believe his chat led him to do it early so he never hit the part where its mandatory. And its definitely intentional on their part. Mike’s chat is surprisingly sly in many ways.

@kratosgow342

2 жыл бұрын

@@belld.s5276 idk when Preach started play the game but CT wasn't mandatory for MSQ until patch 5.3 due to the number of people complained about missing dialogue choice in ShB MSQ

@dlazyace9116

2 жыл бұрын

Oh ok.i was confused at first when he said that. I'm a sprout.

@alexc.1521

2 жыл бұрын

It's mandatory since patch 5.3, nowadays you cannot go into Heavensward without completing it.

@patyos2

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexc.1521 Atleast theres always high level end game players running Roulettes which makes it easy for new players doing Crystal tower for the first time.

Small correction there at around 23:40. Crystal Tower USED TO BE optional. This was changed in patch 5.3, so Nobbel is correct.

@SapphireDragon357

2 жыл бұрын

IIRC, it was part of the MSQ originally, but they separated it at some point after I left the game, and then realized we needed it and made it mandatory again.

@Beredaman08

2 жыл бұрын

@@SapphireDragon357 It was never mandatory originally, at least not for MSQ progress. Almost everyone did do it at the time because it was one of your better options for farming tomestones near the end of ARR quickly (Syrcus Tower was an easy 100 per run at a time when you needed to farm tomestones to get gear to get the ilvl to continue the MSQ), but until 5.3 it was an entirely optional part of the game.

@DracoSuave

2 жыл бұрын

@@SapphireDragon357 No, it was not. Source: Played in 2.1 when it was released. It was made mandatory in 5.3, in order that the end of 5.3 makes sense.

@DracoSuave

2 жыл бұрын

@@Beredaman08 I mean no one did Syrcus run for poetics back then when the real option was doing World of Darkness for gear and oil drops (for ironworks gear and the only way to get an ironworks weapon outside of FCoB) and poetics.

@SapphireDragon357

2 жыл бұрын

@@Beredaman08 So I do not, in fact, recall correctly. **shrugs** Such is life.

Usually those "go get rested up" quest endings are quests that are the last MSQ quest in that patch (i.e. the last quest in 3.2, etc...) Normally there is a three month wait between that quest and the next patch so I can see how it can feel weird when you're going through the whole MSQ in one go rather than in chunks like players who have been around for a while.

@TheRedAzuki

2 жыл бұрын

Go and rest up for the WoL, just means their side hussle (being a scion) is finally contractually over until next patch and they can do their real job Adventuring.

@Raletia

2 жыл бұрын

I actually really love those "go rest" moments because, in world it feels like the characters care about you. And as a video game, it gives you good stopping points where things are wrapped up and you're not coming back in the middle of something with details fuzzy in your mind.

@TheSilverwing999

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. This is just one more thing that you miss context on while binging

@tuanang7889

2 жыл бұрын

thanks for your input now i understand why there were such quests that tell me to go get rested and i was like "errrr aight thanks"

If you were a returning player from 1.0, you don't have the cart cutscene. You basically teleport outside of the appropriate major city and it shows you walking into it over a narration.

@coffz8647

2 жыл бұрын

thats amazing

@OutlawWalker

2 жыл бұрын

Apparently you are recognized as a warrior of light by some in arr

The Thancred/Yugiri scene with the flipping around. They introduced the Rouge/Ninja job in patch 2.4 ... so it was kind of an introduction to that.

The scholar job quests (which arcanist splits to summoner and scholar at level 30) delves more into the Tonberry lore. I am so happy to see you both enjoying FFXIV. I left WoW after Sire AOTC and it was the best breath of fresh air ever.

@AhaoPopolo

2 жыл бұрын

SCH imo too has the best ARR quest line BLM in a close second

@mickbotcast

2 жыл бұрын

Basically one of my fav job quest Alka Zoka is a good character, so does the Tonberry group wish we could see the rest state after EW ( Or I didn't check the Tonberry one )

@tkelly6121

2 жыл бұрын

Scholar would be a good healer for mike to level what with him loving the tonberries. I hope his chat suggests him to play it for his first healer for the role quests.

For me personally, the feeling I have experienced while playing Shadwobringers and Endwalker is something I have not experienced in any games I have played for the last 30 years in any gaming genre story-wise even if I consider the nostalgia factors of the old games I have played. And all of that was possible because I played and understood ARR. I will never ever reach that level of feeling, surely I will still love it because it's that good even as a stand-alone game but it will never reach those heights for me if not for ARR. People will have different opinions about ARR and that is absolutely fine. What is important is what I thought and felt about it and what it has given me ... a higher level of appreciation of the next expansions until Endwalker.

@Reldan

2 жыл бұрын

You heard, felt, thought!

@justsomeguy4422

2 жыл бұрын

You can’t appreciate the last installment of a book series if you didn’t read the 4 books before the last one. Having context and appreciation for all its pacing from ARR-EW is really what made EW unbelievably amazing.

@Measos77

2 жыл бұрын

ARR gave me PTSD about having dinner with heads of state in game. Hahah. Also being served wine.

@nickrosio

2 жыл бұрын

@@justsomeguy4422 exactly! There were large parts of EW that felt like a love letter to ARR

@ash-gms4562

2 жыл бұрын

The only series that comes close to it is metal gear solid 1 to 3

FFXIV if nothing else made me appreciate the power of continuity, consistency and proper development of story and the power of small details. Personally still one of the coolest parts of the game was going to Satasha(the first dungeon) and seeing that adventurer parties hanging outside. You can talk with them a bit, see who the tank, healer and other DPS are and see them actually have a bit of character as an inexperienced new party. And it is even cooler to see that story develop later on. It helps the immersion and feeling of being in an active world something I never got in another MMO to the extent as it is in FFXIV. Certainly not in WOW where story points can be left to rot and major characters can disappear for multiple expansions(Khadgar) and anything can be retconned on a whim.

@TankHunter678

2 жыл бұрын

Then you got the Scions B team led by Hoary Boulder who is basically the hero of his own story supported by his brother and banging his party's archer alongside his brother leaving the party's healer who is the archer's sister teetering on the precipice of joining in or putting distance between herself and the rest of the team.

@Brazilian134

2 жыл бұрын

@@TankHunter678 The Archer is honestly one of the most best side characters in the game. She knows who she is and what she wants and that brazen attitude is both hilarious and actually kind of respectable.

Nobbel if you want a lalafel on your shoulder just get the Nanamo minion. That's the one I have and she climbs up on your shoulder :)

@empacotador

2 жыл бұрын

NO WAY

@aircraftcarrierwo-class

2 жыл бұрын

She scales you like it's Shadow of the Colossus. If you're a Lalafell she sits on your head rather than your tiny shoulder.

@UltaFlame

2 жыл бұрын

@@aircraftcarrierwo-class This is true of any minion that can shoulder-sit. Nanamo, most of the birds (also middybiscuit). If the minion's ai is Obedient and they can shouldersit, most of them will do so if you /beckon while targeting them (if they're your minion, it won't work with someone else's)

@nenram.5786

2 жыл бұрын

Get the koala it will climb you like a tree

@TheOne23_

2 жыл бұрын

@@UltaFlame my lala fc mate always has the red panda on their head haha

My issue with player choice in RPGs is that it by necessity dilutes the story-telling experience. Say for example you're playing a game about overthrowing an evil king. On it's own, that's a pretty generic story, but you could really flesh it out with good writing, fun characters, immersive gameplay, and interesting optional side quests that give you more detail about aspects of the game world. If this a 100+ hour immersive game, that simple plot will amount to a ton of work. Let's say that you insert ONE meaningful choice: side with the evil king or against him. Now you've almost doubled your workload, because all of those characters, plot points, and side quests have to accommodate that choice. Or say you are allowed to kill a companion character if you want to. Now you can't have that companion be an integral part of the story, because otherwise your plot is going to feel weird to those players who killed them. Sure you can make a good story *IN SPITE* of these choices, but having player choice in your game for the sake of it doesn't necessarily add anything to your core plot. And it adds a ton of work, especially in an MMO where the single player experience isn't the only focus. Having your audience choose dilutes the meaning of the tale being told. That's not to say that player choice and crazy divergence in plot can't work. Divinity Original Sin 2 is a great game, but it's great because it is billed as a PLAYER CHOICE RPG. You're there to change the world based on your choices, and it (among many other cRPGs) is excellent at that. But I very much doubt anyone would say it's main plot is on par with the best stories in gaming. The WORLD and SIDE QUESTS are really cool, but the main plot has a lesser resonance because of it's branching narrative. There is no video game on Earth that is going to be as good as tabletop Dungeons and Dragons in this regard. Your choices will never be your own because the developers have to program a game with pre-set paths in it. Thus, player agency, even in Divinity Original Sin 2, is an illusion. You may have chosen to do ABC while I chose DEF, but these were pre-perscribed paths. And in the end, all you're going to want to do is replay the game to see the other paths, or watch a play though online. In a tabletop RPG, the Dungeon Master is a human being who can react intelligently to your every whim. Until computers get intelligent enough to program on-the-fly in response to your choices, this just isn't feasible in a video game. My question is: why does player agency matter in FF14? There are already a few instances where your dialogue choices can inform your character. The simple act of completing certain quests vs not doing them has (admittedly minor) impact on future dialogue and quests. The game is ABSOLUTELY STUFFED with content already. Do you really need a mutually exclusive plot line revolving around siding with the bad guy? What happens in 3 expansions when the bad guy is supposed to be dead? Do you keep writing two stories? The developers are already telling the story they want to tell. If you want more significant player agency in the plot, I don't think FF14 or any story-driven RPG is the place to find it. And yes I'm aware that Star Wars: The Old Republic and The Elder Scrolls Online exist. Their main plots are lesser for the player choice they incorporate. You're free to disagree of course, but case-in-point: no one plays an Elder Scrolls game for the main plot. In the end, there is a reason Lord of the Rings isn't a choose-your-own-adventure story. How many choose-your-own-adventure books are considered timeless, classic literature? None. And I've already told you why.

@salami155

2 жыл бұрын

It's hard to get invested in a story that I can reload and redo differently. The experience at the end feels hollow because now my choice isn't the actual truth or canon end to the story. There are countless RPG's with multiple endings or open endings where people desperately discuss what the real or canon ending is, forever, because they want closure to the story. In my opinion this is something the author should deliver instead of being cheeky. I'm not against endings being open to interpretation but most that I've come across are more just indicative of the author writing themselves into a corner, laziness, or thinking they're being artsy when it's just shit. I agree that D&D storytelling is really untouchable for video games at the moment. For the WoL in FF, as revealed later in the game and throughout the many job/raid/side quests, the character themselves is all about adventure. So the idea of going where the wind takes us as Nobbel puts it, is exactly in-character for the WoL and fits well for an MMO. The more players stop and digest the story the more they'll discover all these connections in it as they look back on their journey. Because of it's length and style it's an experience you can't really have in any other type of game at the moment which makes it a special experience.

On the topic of Agency: Both of these boys need to play through the Dark Knight quest lines.

@neilwilkinson4243

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, best job quests so far IMO

@ThisIsDreion

2 жыл бұрын

Preach picked DRK as his tank for the SHB role quest, so we're gonna get that at least

@ThisIsDreion

2 жыл бұрын

@@beurtalvarez I feel like he'd be ok with it. Leveling alts is surprisingly fast, and would be something I'd watch.

@JackgarPrime

2 жыл бұрын

@@beurtalvarez Gameplay wise? In terms of both power and fun I think WAR is the top right now.

@JackgarPrime

2 жыл бұрын

@@beurtalvarez Right now Drk is actually considered possibly the weakest tank, believe it or not. Warrior in particular got some skills that are quite frankly absurd. Bloodwhetting might be the best tank cooldown in the entire game. The changes to inner release also make it deal more and more damage, too.

I think the best part of FFXIV's story and lore is that it respects the player's investment. No massive retcons to suit the current expansion. EVERYTHING matters.

@youngcracker9517

2 жыл бұрын

Your pfp is you in real life LMAO

1:16:23 something great about this game is how attached it can make you to your character. I've been through so much with my girl now that using a fantasia and essentially making a new character just feels wrong. I tried once and in the very next cutscene my immediate reaction was 'that's not my warrior of light' and swapped back, whereas in say wow I didn't really care beyond 'oh i wanna play a druid/shaman now'

@Intensi0ns

2 жыл бұрын

I think that's something I haven't felt in a game in a very very long time. I am so invested into my character. It feels like "MY CHARACTER".

@asciiavatar

2 жыл бұрын

I know how you feel. My character is Viera. Recently I was just a bit annoyed that there were so few head pieces Viera can wear and it bugged me because I was working on some glamour sets. As a result I fantasiaed to a Mi'qote so I could finally wear the head pieces, but when watching cutscenes and other interactions, it just didn't 'feel' right, so I switched back to Viera.

@TheSeveredStem

2 жыл бұрын

I feel this, from ARR to the start of Shadowbringers I was a pink haired Mi'quote. Wanted to try a bunny girl, used a fantasia and took me till the end of Shadowbringers MSQ to get used to my character again.

@XRay2x

2 жыл бұрын

I originally wanted to be viera, but having started on free trial I couldn't, made a fem miqo. After I got the full game I fanta'd to viera and back several times cause it always felt like I needed to be miqo for the story cutscenes, it's not me otherwise. Trying it again now having closed the book on endwalker and this being the first time I'm actually not catching up to content, see if it sticks

@obviouslykaleb7998

2 жыл бұрын

I have a male mi'qote. i have one major issue with him, and that's the "surprised" reaction. it just bothers me, but I can't bring myself to change it to what would probably be a hyur. you certainly get attached to them through ARR, and i still haven't used that first fantasia

Regarding the "anime" moments... the developers do have 1 big challenge that other developers may not for MMOs... the fact that they have a very large and important Japanese player base with quite different expectations and tastes to satisfy at the same time as their "Western" player base's.

@thelawenforcerhd9654

2 жыл бұрын

Dark Souls doesn't make me feel like I'm watching some creepy shit for paedos, don't see why this has to.

@Jonathan-fw6ty

2 жыл бұрын

Contraty to popular belief, being an adult into anime, or being an Otaku, has a negative stigma attached to it even in Japan.

@onetrickponysona2613

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jonathan-fw6ty contrary to popular belief to popular belief, anime is still extremely common everywhere and used to advertised mundane things, and having "anime" elements in the story does not mean adults playing ff are "deep otakus"

@Infectedjohn

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelawenforcerhd9654 People like this are the issue and the most common bridge creator between both audiences. One thing is not liking the "weeb stuff" other very different is insulting and accusing as a criminal to anyone who enjoys it. Grow up kid.

@auriaska99

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelawenforcerhd9654 Weird because Dark souls took a lot of insipiration from Miuras "Berserk" anime/manga. Generalising anime based on bad apples is exactly the same as saying American TV shows are for pedos because Netflix aired "Cuties". When they clearly aren't, but im probably wasting my time here because i doubt someone who writes ignorant comment like that is a reasonable person.

Regarding the Primals, while yes it does seem like the roll over a bit, remember that the main threat from them is their ability to make people into thralls. You being immune disables their biggest strength. There are numerous examples mentioned in the story of the grand companies defeating primals themselves but taking lots of casualties, likely due to this issue being present.

@Beredaman08

2 жыл бұрын

I think the other part is that they are presented as an immediate threat that if left alone will get worse. I don't think, at least for the primals in ARR, that I ever got the impression they were going for "World Ending Threat" level for any of them, with the possible exception of if Bahamut returns...and that one has proper build up (and when done synced still has challenge to it).

@ChiiTheBlackWind

2 жыл бұрын

@@Beredaman08 they certainly would be a major threat if left unchecked. Taking on more thralls and gaining more and more Crystal's until they can take over everything.

@TheRayzorOne

2 жыл бұрын

Also the scaling is completely fucked for anything in ARR and HW. Like, back when those fights were current, you got to hear their full songs, nowadays Shiva just falls over 10 seconds after the second phase starts, and half of the mechanics don't even show up. This isn't as bad in Stormblood and it's pretty much fine in Shadowbringers (and obviously Endwalker), but they should probably do something for ARR and HW because it pretty much kills some of the big moments in the story.

@rupo450

2 жыл бұрын

The effect they have on the planet is also pretty well known, because people know about The Burn even if you don't visit that place until Stormblood. The people of Eorzea and the Garleans both know exactly what happens when a Primal is left alive long enough to draw all the aether from a region.

@TheSilverwing999

2 жыл бұрын

This. The primals are absolutely a huge threat. And in lore they've ended up killing lots and lots of people because of the enthrallment, but we basically negate that part entirely through our blessing. That's what makes us able to deal with them so easily.

Bump this up all who want HW SB ShB and EW discussions like this between these two gentlemen!!! I definitely do!!!!Who knows maybe they read comments.

So glad Preach stuck it out, loving his FFXIV streams.

Just to be clear, the Sultana's "revival" was planned from the beginning. When the .55 patch comes out, the MSQ for the next expansion is already finished in script and even some of the voice work is done (we know this from interviews and stuff). Also, the community didn't really make a fuss about that "dead", if anything people were excited to see the ARR story ending with a bang. Also it made complete sense let's be real, Lolorito is 10 times smarter than Teledji ever was, and he wouldn't let that little asshole have his way lol (plus, Ul'dah being home to the Alchemist Guild, they obviously have the capabilities to create those kinds of potions).

@bogbrush4ever

2 жыл бұрын

I should add that the sleeping poison was set up in 1.0. Members of the syndicate poisoned the son of Eolande Quiveron, another member of the syndicate, to manipulate her, sedating him with said potion. Trying to get the details of the rest of the plot is trickery because it was 1.0, but I *believe* Lolorito was trying to help her against this plot, but she died in the calamity.

@TheRayzorOne

2 жыл бұрын

@@bogbrush4ever Didn't know that was a thing, thanks! Really cool to see yet another callback to 1.0, it's sad that people think they just made up their minds last minute and decided to "revive" Nanamo when there's so much background history to so many parts of the Ul'dah plotline even in ARR that suggest otherwise.

For most of the "come back when you've rested" quests those are usually the end point of that questline for a given patch and the npc is just saying come back in a couple months after the next patch to continue (or in 2 patches time for the raids).

@danh8804

2 жыл бұрын

It's made funny playing it in catch-up because it becomes its own trope in the game, that everybody keeps promising you'll get a break and then you never do. I'm also a big fan of this cycle: LITERALLY ANYONE: "hey, you did a great job, you should go tell Minfilia, she'll be really happy" ~~~ one aetheryte later ~~~ ACTUAL SAME CHARACTER: "hey I just finished telling Minfilia what you did, how you been buddy?"

@aloysiuswong9519

2 жыл бұрын

Same for me. And it blew me away that this applies to SO MANY npcs. Not just the really important ones. Even npcs like mother miounne in the gridania's adventuring guild who you literally do not interact with throughout the msq after the start in ARR. Her dialogue changes after every big milestone in the msq.

@ye9945

2 жыл бұрын

wow 2 paragraph comments essentially saying the same thing. Twitch chatters are actually braindead.

@TheSilverwing999

2 жыл бұрын

@@ye9945 Orrr here is a bit of a crazy idea, those guys watched the video, and commented what they thought without reading other comments first, so that's why they are similar. I know, crazy right?

@aloysiuswong9519

2 жыл бұрын

@@ye9945 2 ppl express their joy and admiration for the game saying the same things in a youtube video. What dumb fucks amirite. Only smart ppl check the entire youtube comment section and make sure whatever they have to say is 100% unique and not stated before. Brains goes brrrrr.

Crystal Tower is no longer optional i think that was changed in 5.2 or 5.3 and for newer players it's been directly integrated into the MSQ as part of the post Praetorium quests

@Ower8x

2 жыл бұрын

It has to be done before you can do the last 4 quests of ARR patches, specifically to start the MSQ "A Time to Every Purpose"

@chrisleverne

2 жыл бұрын

when 5.0 (Shadowbringers) came out it was *suggested* to have done it, but wasn't mandatory yet. 5.1 or 5.2 made it mandatory to proceed past 5.2. At the same time *every new player* had to finish Crystal Tower before the end of 2.4 or 2.55 in order to proceed with the story. If you were already past 2.55 you had until 5.2 to finish the raid series but it was still mandatory. I do also agree that they should implement Coils waaay deeper into the story or even make it mandatory. It's such a good story, closes sooo many blind spots in the story and has some of the most amazing fights in the game in it

@Ower8x

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisleverne The problem with Coils is it is basically savage difficulty, so it would be hard to force new players into it ... they would have to rework the coils for a story mode, and that would be a lot of resources ... maybe with the additional resources promised from SE they can get to it after 7.0

@chrisleverne

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ower8x that’s true and likely the main reason why they’re not making it mandatory. Maybe one day ;)

@jhazor

2 жыл бұрын

@@chrisleverne the problem is coils is HARD, not quite modern savage level but definately a step up from current Normal raids so to integrate it into MSQ would require significant reworking of the content.

About the Edda stuff. You should have one run through PoD Preacher and Nobble. The story continues there

@belld.s5276

2 жыл бұрын

I wanna see them do PoTD together. I will absolutely laugh my ass off. Please someone suggest this. 2 man PoTD, it will be glorious.

Crystal Tower was optional at release, but now it's mandatory. Not plugged into the MSQ exactly, but you can't get to 3.0 without having done it.

1:41:50 - There’s an anime called “Grimgar of Fantasy & Ash” that is effectively an MMO isekai akin to SAO, but they ground MMO mechanics to reality in such an amazing way, I highly recommend the show to anybody who loves RPGs/MMOs. That said, I’m going to spoil an early part of the story that relates to Edda (spoiler warning if you have any interest) The main party loses their healer & basically does a “party finder” recruitment where they bring in a healer who is looking for a new party, but she comes off as cold and uncaring at the start. As she travels with the party, people are taking minor damage likes cuts and scrapes that she refuses to heal, saying “it’s just a light wound, you should have been more careful.” And it reaches a point where they learn about her backstory- she is looking for a new party because she let her entire old party die, because she was out of mana when she needed it from healing all their small wounds all the time. So you learn that she isn’t a bad healer, but instead learned from her mistakes to not waste mana overhealing & save it for crucial moments of life and death. The Edda story feels a lot like the healer story from Grimgar, but the bad ending version. Instead of learning and becoming a better healer, she loses herself to despair. If that kind of story interests you, I cannot recommend Grimgar of Fantasy and Ash enough.

@andrewshandle

2 жыл бұрын

One of the characters is so frustratingly annoying in that show that it made it a very, very tough watch. As a viewer you shouldn't go into every episode hoping he gets killed off. ;) But it was an interesting premise, I also like how they go a bit further to show their downtime in there sort of Italian village area. I probably should get back to it and finish it.

the fact that NPCs have new dialogue at every step of the MSQ really impressed me.

@Cruciatum

2 жыл бұрын

Once I realised that there are entire subplots that you can miss if you don't go out to look for them my msq progress slowed down to a snails pace lol

@Lizzu

2 жыл бұрын

I so remember going back to the base to see Y'shtola and Yda laughing their heads off because Thancred was caught in the middle of a fight between a few of his fangirls.

I love how the echo is also the lore explanation for AE indicators in battles.

@keithfilibeck2390

2 жыл бұрын

It's one of the coolest "this is what makes you special" in rpgs, because it doesn't make you OP, that you do all on your own (and even post Endwalker it's rather mysterious)

@Salt_Mage

2 жыл бұрын

Big attacks canonically are accompanied by swells in the aether. That’s how other characters without the echo are able to dodge AoEs

@thenoisyninja

2 жыл бұрын

Even failing a trial or dungeon is just the echo retconning the failed run into a premonition of how the run could go wrong

I sat through 2 hours of the most fascinating conversation about FFXIV - truly engaging content

Tartaru is special I'm pretty sure everyone fell in love with her near the end of SHB.

@TheSilverwing999

2 жыл бұрын

Eh she's alright. Never gonna be a huge fan

@monkeypolice3048

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSilverwing999 everyone is different.

This was an incredible listen, thanks for posting.

For the record, the crystal tower wasn't required but shortly after shadowbringers it became required for the story.

I really enjoy when we get a discussion video. Looking forward to watching. The corrupt guild video is still a favourite mine.

Nobbel starts giving us Final Fantasy lore videos, now that would be sweet indeed. Enjoy Heavensward, bro!

It's worth noting that Garuda, Titan, Ifrit normal mode (4 man) used to be harder. Potency Creep and having less low level players entering those Trials has made them die quicker and easily carried.

@TheSilverwing999

2 жыл бұрын

This is something new players will never experience. Same when Mike runs through dungeons with fc members. It's just faceroll now, but I hope he realizes things weren't always that easy. Hopefully in his analysis of ff history he takes these things into account

@MurakamiTenshi

2 жыл бұрын

Wish this was still a thing. Back then you hit the level requirement for Garuda, but not the gear lol

Throwing a like because I'm glad you uploaded it - we did ask for this! 2 hours of work is going to be fast now!

I have been following Nobbel ARR journey, such a bless and enjoyable stream

i think what both of you have to keep in mind about raids etc. is that there is a lot of time between expansions to bridge. the way you play everything continuously isn't the way veteran players have experienced the game. you get one raid tier, then one alliance raid, and some dungeons and trials alont the way, then the next raid tier, next alliance raid etc. until the lead up for the next expansion. so the motivation to go into raids is far higher in current content because they are new stuff to do.

Loved this podcast style content. Looking forward to future episodes! Nobbel is right with the story being ingrained in every little thing and im looking forward to follow your journeys with side content in mind!

I love tataru for one reason and one reason alone. She gives you new clothes.

@cynicalmanatee

2 жыл бұрын

You can't hate the omnicrafter of the scions. No one else is doing it. "Ooooh look at me, I kill things and get slapped every expansion"

That was a really fun watch/listen. Would love to hear more of this later on after more expansions have been digested.

I've been watching Mike's playthrough on the VODs, came here after he mentioned recording it. Really loved this conversation; so cool to hear the different angles Mike and Nobbel came at FFXIV from and how they have both come to love it in ways that both overlap and completely diverge from each other. Could absolutely listen to these guys deep-dive on basically any part of this game for hours. Glad they've both enjoyed their time so much!

NGL i always wanted a podcast from Preach, but man the addition of clips/stuff that they are talking about ITS SOO GOOOD thank you so much for this , I love knowing the context behind what they are talking about and helps a lot

You need to give us more of this, loved it!

This was great! Love hearing you two talk about your whole ARR experience! Cannot wait for HW :)

What a great watch, is good to see your insight on the game. Hopefully we get more of this for the other aspects of the games (Mechanics, Side-Content, Jobs) and future expansions.

I love that this game changes your intro cutscene when you start the game based on if you're a returning player from 1.0 when the 7th umbral calamity happened. Your character actually teleports in outside your starting city continuing from the calamity cutscene with Bahamut. Great attention to detail and another great story continuity for returning players to the game!

Love the conversation! Mike, your insight, as always, is amazing.

Absolutely loved this. Looking forward to the next one!

That was a lot of fun to watch. I can’t wait for the future discussions about the expansions

Great video lads - loving both of your streams

I thoroughly enjoyed listening to the two of you just talk about the game that I've loved for 8+ years. ❤ Looking forward to more of these!

Great video guys, I look forward to your Heavensward one, then Stormblood, Shadowbringers, Endwalker.... I could listen to you guys go on for ages about how much fun you are having.

Haven't even watched the video yet, but i'm already loving the content ❤

Nobbel doing a wow lore style documentary for Preach gaming history...sign me up! Have always loved hearing both of your perspectives on various games I enjoy and life in general. Thanks for chatting out the first of many chapters of FF. Hope both of you and yours are well fellas!

I had no problem playing through hundreds of hours of MSQ as a hardcore FF fan. I’m Impressed by all the people doing the same that are no fans of the series.

Minor correction, Crystal Tower is mandatory now Preach. Good video anw, great talk !

@OrbitalDeathRay

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, his chat lead him into it before he hit the wall, that’s why he’s not clued in.

This was a great watch. Props to preach and nobbel and hope they continue to have a great experience

I SUPER enjoyed all of this. MOAR!

Ooouuuhhhh! I was not expecting this. You guys have been fun and humbling to watch play yall Final Fantasy 14 🙂

I feel JRPGs are traditionally quite slow at the start. FF is no exception. Dragon Quest 8. An all time great JRPG of the ps2 era. One of my favorite games of the times. Extremely slow, patient story telling. Suikoden 5. Great RPG. Need at least 4-8 hours of playing to get good. Persona 3, Persona 5 both take a couple hours to get into. (Excluded 4, I always felt it was great start to end). I can totally understand people dropping a game for starting off too slow.

@KopeAcetic

2 жыл бұрын

Persona 4 is absolutely notorious for its slow start, but dang is it ever one of my favorite games.

@belld.s5276

2 жыл бұрын

@@KopeAcetic Yeah i might be remembering it too positively lol. I loved the mystery vibe. To me, its still the best persona.

@TankHunter678

2 жыл бұрын

JRPGs generally have a playtime of 60-80 hours, so they take the time to invest in getting the world and characters established.

@sephiroth70001

2 жыл бұрын

I'm inversed in your opinion of persona 5 and persona 4. The break in chase scene with the music playing, hooked me on persona 5 from the start. Persona 4 took a while, also I like it now but the June song was grating at first and off-putting.

@belld.s5276

2 жыл бұрын

@@sephiroth70001 That's understandable. I'm just going off vague memories. P5, I might have a slight bias against because I was playing Royal and going through the beginning was extremely tedious because its an extremely long tutorial. P4...I honestly don't remember much of a tutorial, but my memory is hazy at best. I haven't played it in years. But it latched onto me very fast after the mystery stuff started.

Fun fact about choosing a Grand Company: if you pick the Flames and align with UlDah, when you fight Raubahn one on one in that solo duty he’ll address you with whatever rank you are in the Flames. It’s a neat little touch that can be really easily missed

@Nirual86

2 жыл бұрын

same goes for the other Grand Companies whenever you're dealing with members of your own GC. And there are many other such nods based on what quests you've completed, what jobs you leveled etc. Estinien acknowledges you as a fellow Dragoon for example.

@MurakamiTenshi

2 жыл бұрын

Yep that duel with Raubahn made me feel a little patriotic

That intro montage is *chefs kiss*. Nice work Preach!

As someone who has just finished ARR this was so great to listen to. Going through all the major bits and pieces, especially having moved from WoW and looking at the difference between both games. Cheers!

I absolutely love Nobbel. He’s so cute in his enthusiasm for the game and I love his takes. Great video Preach

Yup the little NPC stories and dialogue was what really drew me in ... I spend hours running around and talking to NPCs in so many places. If you like choices I THINK you would Enjoy the Pathfinder games: Kingmaker, and Wrath of the Righteous, A little correction, the cutscene that played was the first part with the battle ending with grand dad being swallowed by light ... with a message after that they are working on ARR. and then the game shut down and for around a year there was no FF XIV ... it was gone. one of the things about ARR and why a lot of things are as they are in the game, that it was basically a brand new MMO game created in 2 year, one of which half the team was working on fixing 1.0 to make it at least playable .. and to put in the story needed for ARR. About Nanamo, I am not sure how much of it was community backlash and how much pre planed ... since by the time the scene happened the story for the next expansion at least the major beats would be set ... and they would be also starting to work on the story of the expansion after the next ... so I am not sure if that kind of thing would be done solely for the community ... I can see them changing things around so that it comes up earlier and basically make it clear sooner because of community, but who knows..

Literally could have watched 4-6 hours of this, so excited for Nobbel to get through Heavensward

@vdinh143

2 жыл бұрын

He seems like such a genuinely fun guy

This was great! I really want a next part for Heavensward and so on.

It's just so wholesome seeing Nobble and Preach enjoying themselves so much. Looking forward to seeing your reactions to what's coming in MSQ and beyond!

thanks for this mike! halfway through and it's amazing so far. thanks for taking the time to edit it.

I need you two to reconvene and discuss once you complete Endwalker.

This was fantastic and a really great watch.

Honestly I just appreciate you guys are honest about your thoughts, likes and dislikes. I seen so many content creators be it they come from WoW or just random people that are doing the MSQ and you can tell who is actually enjoying it and who is just there for content farming. Can't even imagine how is it to deal with the over zealous and very vocal lore Andy's that not only this game but the entire FF franchise has, it is something that has made me walk lightly since the 90s on forums when talking about any of the games. As for 14, I really liked it and I haven't felt about this game world or story on a while for any video game, I also made some nice people to game not only 14 but other games too. Will totally recommend but only if you like story driven games and take your time with it.

This was great! Thank you both! I can't wait for the next one. Also, it's really nice to see Mike again, as a 4.5 year viewer who's mostly been in vods and KZread, it's been a bummer that msq prevents me from watching anything. So anything that isn't msq, I'm grateful for. I will, someday, of course watch all vods I am missing once I catch up. In like a year or so 🤣

Love the part about mentioning the patch gaps, and waiting for content, vs people playing through now. The best part of the patch gap for me, is speculating what is next with your friends. The convo's I have had about where we go in 6.1 have been amazing. I love at the end talking bout cape westwind. I love how the community truly builds this up and trolls about it. It is enjoyable. With that said, my FC did min ilvl no echo, and the fight does have some fangs.

Thanks for uploading the whole thing

great video i cant wait to hear nobbel on future patches and the discussions you guys will have about how stuff changes and possible game update changes that might happen by the time the next conversation like this happens between you two

This was amazing to watch! Just two friends chatting, I love it. With Cape Westwind I make sure to go on about how hard it is every time I get in there with Roulettes xD

"Tataru did nothing and just got in the way" *ahem* bruh

I never felt like the post-Praetorium ARR content was especially bad. It has its slow points but it all feels like it's building up to something. For me, the low point of ARR was the buildup to Titan with all the *utterly atrocious* quests to "prove yourself" to the Company of Heroes. Which, fortunately, got reduced from 15-some quests to ... 5? 6? It honestly felt like "30" and I'm glad the devs listened to the feedback on that.

@dragocrafterr8286

2 жыл бұрын

yeah post arr>>>>>arr imo

@pixeljauntvr7774

2 жыл бұрын

@@dragocrafterr8286 Yeah I agree.

@X2XO99

2 жыл бұрын

". Which, fortunately, got reduced from 15-some quests to ... 5? 6?" WHAT!? That quest line was longer originally!? Aah, the horror, the horror!

@troyen3869

2 жыл бұрын

@@X2XO99 Yeah, there was a whole section cut from the Titan chain where you were helping the U tribe in Southern Thanalan with 3-4 more "go kill x mobs" quests. It actually didn't get cut as much as some other parts. Half of 2.1 (finding Minfilia's adopted mom and doing her errands) and 2.2 (getting the Doman refugees out of Vesper Bay) got cut, about 20 quests cut between them.

@X2XO99

2 жыл бұрын

@@troyen3869 Oh, wow... Shame about the doman part, I liked that section so much Thanks for the response :3

Has anyone told him that Endwalker is the Complete story, the patches are going to setup the next saga not add to endwalker

@ayasolaris4971

2 жыл бұрын

Yes Preach got to know that during his ShB stream

@ayasolaris4971

2 жыл бұрын

my bad I think that stream was after this was recorded

Crystal Tower is indeed required, it was optional untill ShB came out

The first time I watched this I hadn't started following Nobbel's FF journey, but I came back to listen to it again now that I'm more familiar with his perspective on the story. Two great guys!

The crystal tower used to be optional but now it is mandated.

23:45 - Crystal Tower absolutely is required. You get hard blocked just before the last set of MSQs of ARR if you don't.

I fucking loved this, just spent my evening with a cold drink chilling with you two, so glad your both enjoying. Cannot wait for the post HW conversation.

Interesting stuff brought up that I never thought of. Would love to hear more and everyone progresses through.

I LOVED this talk, please do some more with Nobbel in the future!

After clearing EW, the three words Hear, Feel, Think really brings me to tears. They don't even have the slightest clue what awaits. This game really rewards you for remembering things.

@UltaFlame

2 жыл бұрын

And find your way through the darkness...

@neilwilkinson4243

2 жыл бұрын

A test of your reflexes

@SoSakashii

2 жыл бұрын

@@neilwilkinson4243 that’s another duty 🤣

@sekigawa321

2 жыл бұрын

@@neilwilkinson4243 Mine for the taking

@Deranox

2 жыл бұрын

Not only hydaelins famous three words hit different, the Song Answers hits so different aswell. I always liked it and now it makes you feel so much harder

It's all come full circle seeing 2 guys that taught me a ton about WoW when I was new, play a game I'm pretty familiar with and watching them learn from the community. Wonderful.

The coils where the first attempt of FFXIV at serious raiding. Future raids and more accessible with a Savage level being for the more hardcore raiders. Also I was like Preach. I liked the post 2.0 quest sections. The story really picks up. Also Multiple characters tell the warrior of light that they are a glorified errand boy. Rowena for one when you pick up flowers for Yda says "Why are you doing this? You're the warrior of light. You shouldn't be picking up flowers because someone asked you to. What's next? Shoveling up Chocobo dung?"

This was a great talk, more of this please! :)

Really loved this discussion video, cant wait for the heavensward one!

ARR Patch Content did win much through QoL updates. 1. You get free direct Portations to The Waking Sands (like before you had to port to Horizon and walk the path) 2. When you reach 50 you got flying in all ARR Zones (Faster Traveling on the map) 3. They reduced the amount of Quest you have to do. Maybe i forgot something but all this combined helped to make this Patchquests better for New Players. Something else. You always watched the "A Realm Reborn Demo and Title" Version. But when you watch the "Opening Movie" you get more Background Information about whats happening.

Love this content 💕

I started on 14 in June and fell in love with it. I hadn't played an MMO in a long time and I got the urge again. It's really great to see so many people who give it a shot really get hooked on the experience. The community is great, the story is excellent with a great payoff, and the whole experience is really, really special.

Loved it, can't wait for the post HW episode.

Awesome Collab can't wait to see more! 2 hours flew by

Can't wait for the next one!

Great video guys!

As someone who has worked in a morgue since the start of the pandemic, I was starting to feel like my senses had sort of gone numb. FF inadvertently got me to realize I can still deeply care about people/things and even still cry. I realize yes this sounds VERY dramatic but it goes to show how personable the story can be for each person and how powerful the writing is. I love this game for what it is but for also helping me realize I can still be an empathetic person, even if the "people" are video game characters.

@OrbitalDeathRay

2 жыл бұрын

It is the ONLY video game that has ever made me cry. I don’t think that’s dramatic at all. It says a lot about the quality of the writing. I’m a pretty jaded, cynical person and this game melted me. I think it also has a lot to do with the fact that I was a massive FF fan in childhood, and playing through the MSQ brought back a lot of those good feelings for me.

1:38:00 the extreme version of the fights don't have a "oh we found more crystals" storyline. You talk to a bard and recount your tale. The extreme fight is the retelling of your tale through the bard's embellishments (ie harder than it actually was when you did it for real)

@Salt_Mage

2 жыл бұрын

In ARR it was ritual sacrifice and the creation of gruesome totems with the sacrifice’s bones.

The expansions have gradually put me through an emotional loop. At the end of EW I literally just wanted to hug the developers. I am so emotionally invested I didn’t want it to end. I HATED questing in WoW. Anyone who knows me knows I literally hated the walls of text. Yet in FF I am so wrapped up I can’t stop reading. I have even started doing the side quests. It’s so beautiful. I thought wow was good with its few cinematic scenes. I came to FF and I don’t think I can ever look at WoW the same. It is so behind. Everyone needs to go in with an open mind. I too went in with a I’m going to hate it mindset. I have to tell my friends to just drop that feeling and embrace the game!

@sirnonapplicable

2 жыл бұрын

I only started to enjoy the story after 120 hours; up to that point, leveling in wow was less agonizing as killing stuff is less boring to me than having overwritten exposition shoved down my throat. Also, I'm not sure if this is normal within JRPGs but up to ShB, SE struggled with the whole "show, don't tell" rule when establishing threats.