A Protestant Reacts to Visiting an Orthodox Church

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  • @alypiusloft
    @alypiusloft3 жыл бұрын

    At my chrismation, one of the priests had a dog that hung around outside the church. When a person came in, the dog ran inside and was walking around. After the Liturgy, the priest said, “If you were offended by the dog, just remember we are the dogs God welcomed to His house.”

  • @kidus_1010

    @kidus_1010

    3 жыл бұрын

    Wow. That was really thought provoking. Such analogies make you grasp the love of God a little more. Especially when you consider how the difference between God and man is unimaginably greater than between Man and animal.

  • @amyhatzigiannis4148

    @amyhatzigiannis4148

    3 жыл бұрын

    That is awesome!

  • @GeorgeGamer

    @GeorgeGamer

    3 жыл бұрын

    We are not dogs we are Sons of god

  • @kidus_1010

    @kidus_1010

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@GeorgeGamer Only out of His grace are we His children. We are far below dogs compared to Him. It’s an analogy not theology.

  • @alypiusloft

    @alypiusloft

    3 жыл бұрын

    The priest was simply saying that we are as unworthy of the presence of God as a dog, and yet God welcomes us into His home as His children. He was not by any means teaching original sin.

  • @mistertrumpet5856
    @mistertrumpet58563 жыл бұрын

    As an outsider who's been nothing but respectful when interacting with Orthodox Christianity in your videos, I don't think you need to be too worried about online comments. Also if it's any encouragement, I've seen and heard nothing but love from the online Orthodox communities I'm in regards to your videos.

  • @joseonwalking8666

    @joseonwalking8666

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yup

  • @anothercat1300

    @anothercat1300

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm honestly in love with this channel because of the way he goes about this stuff.

  • @contemptussaeculi8084

    @contemptussaeculi8084

    3 жыл бұрын

    Agreed!

  • @MattWhitmanTMBH

    @MattWhitmanTMBH

    3 жыл бұрын

    Nope, that's not what happened Steve. At least on my channel, I have found that if you include a link in a comment the KZread filter automatically catches that and puts it into an unpublished waiting for review queue, that I never ever look at. As a basic rule of thumb on most channels, if you want your comment to appear, it's best not to add a link because it will usually get flagged automatically. I wish you would have extended me the benefit of the doubt on that instead of making proclamations about my character in a public forum.

  • @NoeticInsight

    @NoeticInsight

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MattWhitmanTMBH As an Orthodox Christian I want to apologies for Steve's accusation/slander. Forgive us for any negative comments you may have received from any Orthodox Christians. I hope you continue to make these wonderful videos, they really are helping many people seek God. May God be with you! Christ is risen!

  • @OrthodoxJourney359
    @OrthodoxJourney3593 жыл бұрын

    I just became Eastern Orthodox after decades of being a Baptist.

  • @sdcheung

    @sdcheung

    3 жыл бұрын

    Welcome Home

  • @datchet11

    @datchet11

    3 жыл бұрын

    What lead you to eastern orthodoxy?

  • @scotianovan1

    @scotianovan1

    3 жыл бұрын

    Welcome! I was 40 years in the Protestant world before being introduced to the Eastern Church, and came to the Church in 2019. What a change. A wonderful change.

  • @AED365

    @AED365

    3 жыл бұрын

    My family and I just became Orthodox after years as Protestants

  • @corporate.security

    @corporate.security

    3 жыл бұрын

    Should have stayed Protestant.

  • @sophial9379
    @sophial93793 жыл бұрын

    I’m Catholic but love my Orthodox and Protestant brothers and sisters! God bless you all

  • @MattWhitmanTMBH

    @MattWhitmanTMBH

    3 жыл бұрын

    Likewise sister!

  • @svenknutsen8937

    @svenknutsen8937

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yes, we are branches on the same tree and have so much in common!

  • @JoshJimenez_

    @JoshJimenez_

    3 жыл бұрын

    I second that!

  • @Hevander75

    @Hevander75

    3 жыл бұрын

    Recently Joined the Catholic Church for the love of the Eucharist, hope the Orthodox and Catholic church can come together one day.

  • @mostreal907

    @mostreal907

    3 жыл бұрын

    Me too! I’m a Protestant and love all those in the body!

  • @thekingofsomewhere
    @thekingofsomewhere3 жыл бұрын

    As a heads up, from someone who's a relatively recent convert to Orthodoxy from Protestantism, the experience of Orthodox Christianity in real life is quite different than what you see online. Online, there are people who profess to be Orthodox but don't set a good example and are overly bold/aggressive (sad to say, most of them seem to be overzealous "trad" converts and catechumens). At some points I've caught myself acting in a way not becoming of an Orthodox Christian. On our behalf, sorry.

  • @MattWhitmanTMBH

    @MattWhitmanTMBH

    3 жыл бұрын

    I really appreciate the comment. I've caught myself not doing things the way I should on the Internet too. Grace, forgiveness and peace to all of us.

  • @elgatofelix8917

    @elgatofelix8917

    3 жыл бұрын

    Define "trad"

  • @GreathMusic

    @GreathMusic

    3 жыл бұрын

    It seems as if a lot of people embrace the aesthetic, without embracing what lies behind it.

  • @thekingofsomewhere

    @thekingofsomewhere

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@elgatofelix8917 By that I'm not necessarily talking about traditional people/Christians, but I mean the kind of people that obsess over "adhering to tradition" to a point where they look down on people that don't do things the way they do, and can be really aggressive or argumentative. I encounter them online almost 100% of the time, and some refer to themselves as "trads". Not sure I clarified that well.

  • @MrWesford

    @MrWesford

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@thekingofsomewhere “THATS NOT HOW YOU DO THE SIGN OF THE CROSS! REEEEEE”

  • @trevorharrison1989
    @trevorharrison19893 жыл бұрын

    Hey bro. Wanted to let you know that your videos were immensely consumed and enjoyed on my rediscovery of my faith. Former protestant, now orthodox and your questions are very familiar to me and I’m so grateful for you and for our shared love and salvation in Christ.

  • @MattWhitmanTMBH

    @MattWhitmanTMBH

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for saying that. I'm honored that my working it all through could in even some very small way be helpful in your process of faith as well Trevor.

  • @MrWesford

    @MrWesford

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MattWhitmanTMBH I’m becoming Orthodox, currently a catechumen, and I agree, all your questions are very familiar. I remember thinking a year ago, “I would never kiss and Icon”, here I am kissing icons. “Obviously the bread and wine don’t turn into Christ’s ACTUAL body and blood”. Here I am desperately longing to be baptized so I can experience bringing Christ’s actual Body and Blood into myself for the first time. Keep going, Matt. Most of us Orthodox Christians in America are converts, so we know the journey.

  • @davidleannsorondo9493

    @davidleannsorondo9493

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MrWesford Prayers for your journey! There is nothing like receiving Christ in the Eucharist!

  • @spookyspacekook5426

    @spookyspacekook5426

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@MrWesford I was a pentecostal that became Orthodox and know what walking that path is like. God grant you many years. 👃

  • @graceoverall

    @graceoverall

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@MrWesford LOL, welcome home brother! I had a similar experience.

  • @HoboBob
    @HoboBob3 жыл бұрын

    I was raised southern Baptist, went to other evangelical churches, worked in ministry, etc but then approached Orthodoxy with hostility in order to disprove its claims in 2006. I found myself baptized Orthodox a year later. Orthodoxy is the hardest thing I've ever tried to do but the most meaningful and grace filled part of my life of almost 47 years. All of what I learned from being Baptist and all the "unknowns" come together within Orthodoxy and it answers The Question and the questions. I love your channel! Thanks for these videos as they are continued solidification of my faith as an Orthodox Christian.

  • @SteelWalrus

    @SteelWalrus

    Жыл бұрын

    Kinda ended up there the same way. I started out trying to poke holes in the RCC. What bits I couldn''t contradict ended up sticking and becoming part of my own theology. Eventually, I ended up here, and learning about the Orthodox Church, I felt The Call. I think sometimes it is easy to forget that it is okay to ask questions. That's how we learn to see the depth and wisdom of the Word.

  • @Hydrahandle7

    @Hydrahandle7

    8 ай бұрын

    Both good honest comments.. I agree with you both.

  • @nomadicfenceman509

    @nomadicfenceman509

    4 ай бұрын

    I know that God is omnipotent and omnipresent…. But I didn’t know that the saints were on the same level…. Whole lotta services to attend at the same time

  • @HoboBob

    @HoboBob

    4 ай бұрын

    @@nomadicfenceman509 No body ever in history ever said that they were but your implication of such a statement here.

  • @jChaseFL
    @jChaseFL3 жыл бұрын

    I've noticed Orthodox think deeply on theology and history more than most people I've met. Especially converts. When you aren't arrogant or dismissive to the minds of the past you can go deeper. Man peaked intellectually and spiritually long before the reformation. It's humbling once you open up to the writings of the church fathers and the saints. Our personal interpretations are shallow compared to what's been handed down from the Apostles. Written & Spoken. With that said I take no issue with you going out on a limb to understand. I'd welcome you to keep going. You'd benefit in future content understanding exactly what Orthodox believe even if you ultimately reject.

  • @daveunbelievable6313

    @daveunbelievable6313

    3 жыл бұрын

    i think this is more because you probably live in acountry where orthodoxy is a minority, so those who are orthodox are more likely to be the more likely to the commited types.

  • @throngarastora7569

    @throngarastora7569

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@daveunbelievable6313 no you get both, lots of people are born into the faith and treat it like your average Christian treats their faith.

  • @br.m

    @br.m

    Жыл бұрын

    In all the time I spent online, seeking Christian based content. I have discovered that I learn the most from protestant evangelical Christians. In contrast, I have learned nothing of value from Catholic or eastern orthodox online content. They have a lot of extrabiblical content. Some of that is entertaining at least. When it comes to scripture, the Gospel... Definitely I learned a great amount from protestant evangelical Christians. This is where I have learned the most about the Bible, the truth, scripture, making sense of the Old Testament. For example, a scholar like the recently departed Dr. Mike Heiser has many hours of content online. I learned and got more food for thought from 1 of his videos than from all the catholic/orthodox videos combined. Even when I disagree with some of Mikes ideas. He really gets in to scripture and helps reveal how deep it is. When I listen to orthodox content they seldom if ever refer to scripture. Instead they are always talking about saints, church fathers... Catholics too always talking about this pope or that pope or this council or that extrabiblical text. When I listen to protestants, they are always referencing scripture, the bible, Jesus. It does not take a genius to think this through and see what is what.

  • @bad_covfefe

    @bad_covfefe

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@br.m questions for you. 1. The evangelicals have lots of ideas. How do you know you've actually LEARNED truth rather than just hearing a different way to view the Bible? And before you say "I see what they say in the Bible"... you can see lots of different interpretations in the Bible. That's not an indication that their interpretation of the bible is true. 2. Orthodoxy and Catholicism are not adherents of Sola Scriptura, so there is no problem in their views with extra biblical content. Evangelicals of course believe they must only follow the Bible, but that is not a self-evidently true position nor is there anything inherently more virtuous about it. The Orthodox and the Catholics together formed the church that MADE the Bible. Christianitu did not start with the Bible, so I think you're right, it doesn't take a genius to think this through: the Orthodox and Catholics are definitely more likely to be right, since they have access to more information than just the Bible, which the Protestants all have a different interpretation of.

  • @Triple1JP
    @Triple1JP3 жыл бұрын

    Ive been orthodox all my life. Those "violent comments" and negative orthodox internet individuals: weve been calling them "ortho-bros" and they are only brave online dont worry. But this is also why we have confession! I hope they dont turn you off to orthodoxy like they have so many others.

  • @Sam-wz1hd

    @Sam-wz1hd

    3 жыл бұрын

    This is so true. Love is our greatest purpose as orthodox christians

  • @Skipsul

    @Skipsul

    3 жыл бұрын

    My own priest jokingly calls the online militants the “Orthodox Taliban”.

  • @mostreal907

    @mostreal907

    3 жыл бұрын

    Every church has that. I think the Calvinist call there version “caged Calvinist”.

  • @joshinfwtx4506

    @joshinfwtx4506

    3 жыл бұрын

    The phrase is "cage stage calvinist" and man can they can go overboard

  • @simontemplar3359

    @simontemplar3359

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@joshinfwtx4506 THAT is bloody hilarious!

  • @confectionarysound
    @confectionarysound3 жыл бұрын

    Hey brother, I get your mixed reaction to Orthodoxy and pockets of the orthodox online. I’m a recent convert and had to hold my nose a bit to some of the Orthodox personalities online. But experiencing the thing itself, the faith, the liturgy, and the Orthodox vision of reality completely floored me and I couldn’t turn back. Your comment comparing the depth in Orthodoxy to Tolkien; I get that. I think it’s because the Orthodox still very much inhabit a Christian cosmos, and haven’t tried to weave together this patchwork of secularism, scientism, and somehow fitting in God and revelation. I think that patchwork is the child of western history, and the Orthodox seem to be clinging to something deep and ancient that’s hard to understand from a modern perspective. Anyway, sorry for the rant, thanks for the videos; really enjoy them and found them helpful in my own journey. Christos Anesti!

  • @socol76

    @socol76

    3 жыл бұрын

    I agree with your view except I think we don’t so much “ cling “ so much as we are “deeply rooted in” it! To be truly and fully Orthodox (living the depth of our tradition) is different than just being culturally Orthodox (participating in only the cultural aspects of the Church traditions yet having little to no real understanding of the Orthodox theology). That being said, many deepen their faith over their lifetime.

  • @confectionarysound

    @confectionarysound

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@socol76 thank you for the correction.

  • @anthonybondarenkoadj2534

    @anthonybondarenkoadj2534

    3 жыл бұрын

    The reality of Orthodoxy's lore being so deep and "thought out" I find as both a great consolation and one of my greatest sources of consternation in being Orthodox. But you're totally right - Protestantism has a metaphysics or a view of the world which isn't based on a foundational view of the cosmos that goes deep enough. Orthodoxy digs to the deepest possible level - that of worship. Fr Schmemann was entirely right in diagnosing our present moment.

  • @katherinetutschek4757

    @katherinetutschek4757

    2 жыл бұрын

    I can feel the pre-modern form of worship and world view coming through, too. It's nice to feel the two tied together.

  • @user-dn2cs8hw5m

    @user-dn2cs8hw5m

    2 жыл бұрын

    GLORY TO GOD 🤲🏽 love from Ethiopian ortodox Christian❤️

  • @Blaisesongs
    @Blaisesongs2 жыл бұрын

    Loved what you have to say! I’m a 72 year old grandma who is now an Orthodox catechumen after 7 years of weighing the pots and cons, 5 of them as an enquirer. It’s a complete change of “phronema”! Blessings on your path. Young people like you give hope for the future.

  • @randomguy1453

    @randomguy1453

    Жыл бұрын

    Beautiful story, I've heard so many say that an Orthodox parish rests on the back of the grandma's who attend, may God bless you and grant you many years!

  • @jeremyfirth
    @jeremyfirth3 жыл бұрын

    As a member of the parish you visited in Salt Lake, I thought your approach was very respectful. I found your questions insightful, probing, and very interesting. I learned things about my faith by hearing Father Paul answer your excellent questions. Please forgive those who are vehemently looking for meaning in their lives by posting harsh or thoughtless attacks in youtube comments.

  • @gregcoogan8270
    @gregcoogan82703 жыл бұрын

    It is important to know that the Orthodox Church teaches that she is Israel. We believe that there's never been a break in the lineage of Israel. The difference now is twofold, one, gentiles are now a part of and can join Israel (the Church) and two, because there's no break in the lineage, the Church continues to worship in the same manner, albeit now, as a fulfillment of what you see and read about in the Old Testament. We continue to have the same elements, but now they take on the fulfillment of the types in the Old Testament. I hope this helps. I enjoyed your video visiting Sts Peter and Paul in Utah. If you ever find yourself in Nashville, please feel free to let me know. I'd be happy to invite you to visit my parish! ( I am Orthodox if you haven't figured that out already lol)

  • @ThomasG_Nikolaj

    @ThomasG_Nikolaj

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@alexs8335 Indeed, he is Risen!

  • @pravolub8

    @pravolub8

    2 жыл бұрын

    Great reply! It's simple and to the point, and is a great rebuttal to certain popular beliefs concerning modern Israel and the End Times.

  • @mattrivera8587

    @mattrivera8587

    2 жыл бұрын

    Replacement Theology?

  • @bigboineptune9567

    @bigboineptune9567

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mattrivera8587 Covenant Theology. Replacement theology is a dispensationalist strawman against covenant theology.

  • @louismarx8269
    @louismarx82693 жыл бұрын

    I grew up Reformed and joined the Orthodox Church a few years ago, after learning in depth about the history of the Church I don't think I could ever be anything but Orthodox. And then actually attending and participating in the life of the Church I've never felt so fulfilled or grown spiritually like this.

  • @Apriluser

    @Apriluser

    3 жыл бұрын

    My sentiments exactly after moving into an Anglo Catholic church. My husband is now an Anglican priest after growing up Pentecostal!

  • @jimfoard5671

    @jimfoard5671

    3 жыл бұрын

    We have met online.

  • @louismarx8269

    @louismarx8269

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Christos Kyrios I think the big difference with the Orthodox Church is the place off St. Augustine, to us he's not correct on everything and is kind of an outlier compared to his contemporaries. We look more to the consensus of the Church in all the Fathers and not one primarily, like Sts. John Chrysostom, Basil, Gregory, Athanasius, and the other Fathers are all seen as being correct and having a greater consensus. Plus we don't see a need for a Reformation, the Church is like a family heirloom handed down by Christ to the Apostles and in an unbroken chain to the current day, there have been times of struggle against heresies but the Truth won in the end and the heresies died, and the gates of hell never prevailed.

  • @louismarx8269

    @louismarx8269

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Christos Kyrios One thing I've noticed also is that what seems to be the theological school most similar to Orthodoxy is Wesleyan ideas of sanctification, it's very similar to our idea of Theosis.

  • @louismarx8269

    @louismarx8269

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Christos Kyrios That's pretty cool

  • @rinwesley3092
    @rinwesley30923 жыл бұрын

    I come from a similar Protestant background as you. Lost my faith after college and I’m now returning with a deep interest in Orthodoxy.

  • @johnsambo9379

    @johnsambo9379

    3 ай бұрын

    I tried to go to a Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia for two months. Everyone was very friendly. I only attended the Divine Liturgy. I wanted to attend a different service with my family. I went to a feast day celebration for St. John of Shanghai on a Friday evening. Immediately I got bad stares since it was a small service. I was actually told I could leave anytime I wanted. My daughter and wife where there. It was quite shocking. First church I have ever been asked to leave. The Orthodox can work on being more welcoming to outsiders. My wife and I were very saddened by this event.

  • @louismarx8269
    @louismarx82693 жыл бұрын

    In terms of the pockets of Orthodoxy that are aggressive, they're really only on the internet in my experience, or if they're in church they're not acting that way. Being that aggressive with outsiders who literally have no idea what they did wrong and weren't given a chance to learn comes from a lack of patience and love, the only time we see Christ get aggressive is with people is when those people should know better like the Apostles, or when those people are intentionally misleading people and trying to undermine Christ like the Sadducee and Pharisees. When St. Nicholas slapped Arius, Arius was a bishop of the Church and knew very well what he was doing was wrong but still continued in it, he wasn't someone who just wandered in and happened to disagree, he was a leader of the Church. My priest has said "be careful where you get your Orthodoxy from" when talking about the internet just because some pockets just get so crazy.

  • @phanourios1279

    @phanourios1279

    3 жыл бұрын

    I agree. I'm a convert to Orthodoxy in the UK and yes most Orthodox don't behave like that. My priest has advised if someone online is preaching aggressively ask who is their Bishop. Chances are they are not technically canonical

  • @Charge11

    @Charge11

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good point! Lots of sketchy people online that claim to be Orthodox but spew hatred and the likes. Of course hatred of any form is completely against Orthodoxy.

  • @louismarx8269

    @louismarx8269

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@phanourios1279 that seems to be the case a lot of the time, they latch on to a sort of "orthodoxism identity" but don't participate in the life of the Church.

  • @koziewitha-k6516

    @koziewitha-k6516

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@phanourios1279 not a fair argument all the time. I know, here in Australia, a lot of us just don't get the chance to know the clergy better, due to how few churches there are compared to the faithful and how incredibly busy they priests are.

  • @bonniejohnstone

    @bonniejohnstone

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sometimes trolls too

  • @JosephHolmes108
    @JosephHolmes1083 жыл бұрын

    I am a convert to Holy Orthodoxy from Southern Baptist. I wanna say God bless you! I am praying for you in your journey to know Christ better. Don’t worry about the zealous bully orthodox and remember they are sinners just like all of us. Really enjoy your videos Brother!

  • @hlapatsas
    @hlapatsas3 жыл бұрын

    I am Orthodox from Greece, and I have been watching your videos for a few years now. Keep up the good work!

  • @mamafortuin
    @mamafortuin3 жыл бұрын

    Dear Matt, please accept my apologies on behalf of those Ortho bros who came at you with such unrighteous hostility! The zeal they exhibit is without true knowledge of the Orthodox phronema (i.e. “mindset”), which should above all else be expressed with the humility that is fitting a follower of Christ. Your open heart and mind are beautiful and all people of belief or non-belief would do well to emulate your example. May God grant you many happy and healthy years! 🙏☦️❤️

  • @throngarastora7569

    @throngarastora7569

    3 жыл бұрын

    Its one of the sad parts of the internet, people of all walks are just extra nasty on it.

  • @MattWhitmanTMBH

    @MattWhitmanTMBH

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Lorinda.

  • @mamafortuin

    @mamafortuin

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@throngarastora7569 we must pray for their healing! 🙏☦️❤️

  • @mamafortuin

    @mamafortuin

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@brotheraugustine Christ is Risen!Hi, Michael 🥰

  • @mamafortuin

    @mamafortuin

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Pat Lance It is a way of righting a wrong done. I see it as if someone in my family offended someone, I would feel obligated to apologize on their behalf because this relative did not behave as a faithful representative of my family. In fact, isn’t that what we do at the liturgy and in our private prayers? We stand in the presence of God on behalf of the whole world and ask Him for His grace, mercy and favor on its behalf?

  • @Michael-kx4jv
    @Michael-kx4jv3 жыл бұрын

    As an Orthodox Christian, I would like to thank you for producing these videos on Orthodoxy. I shared your previous video in a large Orthodox FB group and the reception has been very positive.

  • @MattWhitmanTMBH

    @MattWhitmanTMBH

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for doing that Michael!

  • @DanielApologetics
    @DanielApologetics3 жыл бұрын

    I enjoy learning about these other traditions through this channel. Interesting insights.

  • @Artyjoey
    @Artyjoey3 жыл бұрын

    Remember that the curtain can be opened. It is opened at times and especially for the Eucharist, Communion. Think how that relates to the veil in the temple being torn! So glad you enjoyed your visit with the Orthodox Church. For a better understanding, attend some services!

  • @johnsambo9379

    @johnsambo9379

    3 ай бұрын

    He got physical threats for visiting the Church. Very welcoming!

  • @thereccereport1172
    @thereccereport11723 жыл бұрын

    I'm in the process of converting to Orthodox Christianity. Thanks for doing this video.

  • @masto2898

    @masto2898

    3 жыл бұрын

    Have you considered catholic church

  • @xriskos4227

    @xriskos4227

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@masto2898 why would they consider a heresy instead of the truth?

  • @masto2898

    @masto2898

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@xriskos4227 to claim that catholicism is heresy is a big claim You have to prove it Try to prove that the true church is heretical i am waiting

  • @ElenaKomleva

    @ElenaKomleva

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@masto2898 Catholic church is everywhere, has a lot of money and resources, so I am sure he considered it. Most people who look for truth in fact choose catholicism as opposed to orthodoxy mostly because it is more convenient especially for an english-speaker.

  • @GreekOrthodox7

    @GreekOrthodox7

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@masto2898 The pope kissed the Koran and proved how heretical your fallible papacy is.

  • @tylergraham7352
    @tylergraham73523 жыл бұрын

    I love how Matt just gets up to answer the door in the middle of the video and doesn't edit it out. lol!

  • @MattWhitmanTMBH

    @MattWhitmanTMBH

    3 жыл бұрын

    It felt right to leave it :)

  • @tylergraham7352

    @tylergraham7352

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@MattWhitmanTMBH I thought it was weird, but funny at first. Now that I've finished the video it actually seems oddly appropriate. Idk if this was intentional or not, but it helped set the tone for the more touchy stuff you hit on later. It clued us in that this wasn't some hugely produced and scripted thing, but this was someone just opening up and being honest and trying to have a real conversation. (or at least as much as that can be the case online.)

  • @dustinbishop7297

    @dustinbishop7297

    3 жыл бұрын

    Funny I find you here in the comment section Tyler.

  • @chamberlain8857
    @chamberlain88573 жыл бұрын

    I love how you didnt cut that part out when you got interrupted, made it feel like I was actually in the room listening to you. I find it soo interesting that when you learn about Catholics and Orthodox that you thought"Wait a minute. You looked at all the same data and all the same unfolding of history, and that is what you came too" because I think the exact same thing about you especially the history part! I would love to hear your thoughts on early church history and the writings of the early church fathers because I want to know if im missing out on something that you saw while reading these figures who were closest to Christ and his context. Cheers!

  • @rustydowd879

    @rustydowd879

    3 жыл бұрын

    I was scrolling comments as I listened and hit that moment in the video at the exact moment I read it in your comment lol

  • @nickdelacruz4229

    @nickdelacruz4229

    3 жыл бұрын

    I usually point Protestants in the direction of Dallas Willard and his discussions on worldview. At least they can connect easier with someone in their own culture. You can look at “data” all you want but your worldview will have a huge impact on that.

  • @Leo-uq6jp
    @Leo-uq6jp3 жыл бұрын

    The interesting thing to ponder on is the idea that the religion of the Old Testament is not a different religion than Christianity, Christianity is just the fulfillment of such religion. With that in mind, it is easier to understand how the Early Christians maintained the ethos that was present in the Old Testament, from the understanding of Liturgy to their idea of symbolism. A great book that goes over this idea is The Religion of the Apostles by Fr. Stephen De Young

  • @ASouthernLadyinAppalachia

    @ASouthernLadyinAppalachia

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm reading it now, it's awesome!

  • @socol76

    @socol76

    3 жыл бұрын

    Even though I’m Orthodox I want to read it too.

  • @Leo-uq6jp

    @Leo-uq6jp

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@socol76 I'm also Orthodox and it still taught me a lot, it's definitely a good read.

  • @genericyoutubechannel2601
    @genericyoutubechannel26013 жыл бұрын

    Regarding the tearing of the veil, it's not kept closed during the whole course of services. In fact, it's ripped back and the royal doors thrown open as the priest exits the altar with the Eucharist to bring it to the Faithful. I find it a beautiful playing-out of Christ tearing down the barriers, and not only asks us to come to Him, but also comes to us Himself. Of course, as a former Church of God evangelical myself, I definitely understand how that would cause that "record-scratch" moment that was mentioned. But, I have to say I really deeply appreciate how respectful and charitable you're being, especially when you find this thing or that thing quite troubling. God be with you! :) EDIT: I'm writing this as I watch the video. I'm deeply saddened [but not surprised] that you've encountered some of our less...Fruits-of-the-Spirit-aware brothers or sisters. I'm reminded of two things when I have my own run-ins, first the quote "Ye are zealous, brethren, for things NOT pertaining to salvation" from St. Clement of Rome's epistle to the Corinthians, and second a story. There were names attached to this story but I've since forgotten. A single mother once stepped into an Orthodox parish during Liturgy. She wasn't wearing any kind of head covering [which, by the way, isn't exactly required in the first place]. Someone approached her and scolded her for her "inappropriate" and "disrespectful" appearance. She was so embarrassed she left. The bishop serving Liturgy must've noticed this, because his homily consisted only of this: "You know who you are. I know who you are. That woman came here seeking Christ and you dared to slam the door in her face. You WILL pray for that woman every day for the rest of your life." The bishop then returned to the altar and continued Liturgy. I don't know how the Internet amplifies those interactions, but demonstrably it does. I appreciate that you VERY charitably have chosen not to assume those represent the rest of us. We're praying for them, and you. :)

  • @mikhaildenisov6526

    @mikhaildenisov6526

    2 ай бұрын

    That bishop was Anthony of Sourozh, the Russian Orthodox Church, in London, UK. One of the most prominent and revered Christian clerics and thinkers of the late XX century. If you look up his name on the Internet you'll find many more words of wisdom from him

  • @bouseuxlatache4140
    @bouseuxlatache41403 жыл бұрын

    what you are doing Matt is awesome. you are one of the pioneers going out there and seeking genuine dialogue with the Love of Christ. far from politics. Love what you are doing. i am sure that these small footsteps will lead somewhere nice in the years to come. God bless.

  • @stephenbrannen
    @stephenbrannen3 жыл бұрын

    Matt, thanks from another Orthodox person for the way you've engaged the Orthodox Church (and other churches), and I'm sorry you've had such negative interactions with people who claim the name 'Orthodox.' You've seen how real submission to the theology, ethos, and pastoral tradition of Orthodoxy can bring people real humility and peace. But because Orthodoxy here in the West is so culturally different and distinct from the experience of the vast majority, in terms of converts it tends to draw two types: brave explorers of truth with open minds, and extreme fundamentalists looking for a system. It also happens to be the more recent converts that are the most zealous, who then later mellow a bit or else leave in search of something else. So, again, thanks for handling it all with class, and I've appreciated watching you encounter some of Orthodoxy.

  • @en6064
    @en60643 жыл бұрын

    I want to thank you for your good work, as it is immensely encouraging to me. I recently converted to Catholicism from Protestantism, and while most people are understanding, many think I left the Christian faith and don't even want to understand. Your videos are really refreshing to me because you are not only intelligent and perceptive but also very humble in your approach to other Christians. Christians, whether Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant, need to have that same Christ-like approach.

  • @Apriluser

    @Apriluser

    3 жыл бұрын

    And my husband recently was ordained As an Anglican priest after having grown up in the Assemblies of God, moving to United Methodist, and now Anglican. It’s been a wonderful journey!

  • @jonnygray43

    @jonnygray43

    3 жыл бұрын

    Welcome Home! I was confirmed on St Valentine’s Day coming from agnosticism and I love it to bits. I started altar serving about five weeks ago

  • @tolisgalantis4896
    @tolisgalantis48963 жыл бұрын

    Hi Mat. I'm a lay Eastern Orthodox, by no means the most knowledgeable. Could I make two points: 1. I would highly recommend reading 'Saint Paisios' by Hieromonk Isaac. Easy read, great for understanding much about Orthodox spirituality and why St Paisios was formally recognised as a saint relatively soon after his death 2. If we imagine the picture of someone we love eg our mother, and we see someone who knows our mother purposely stepping on her picture, we will probably feel that this is dishonoring our mother. For us Orthodox this also works the other way round: veneration (not worship) of the image of a beloved person honors the person. So, how one treats an image of someone, passes onto the person represented by the image. Mat please forgive me if I have written things already covered in your interviews, as I haven't had the chance to watch then in their entirety. Thank you for taking the time to investigate Eastern Orthodoxy. Christian greetings. TG

  • @dimesonhiseyes9134
    @dimesonhiseyes91343 жыл бұрын

    I was having a pretty rough day it's so good to see a second TMBH video in a week. This video helped brighten my day thank you

  • @MattWhitmanTMBH

    @MattWhitmanTMBH

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad to hear it amigo. Hang in.

  • @mch241
    @mch2413 жыл бұрын

    I think these videos are so powerful because they are both "academic" and "personal" and you can freely say "whaaat?" and then truly listen and "process". Thanks for doing these.

  • @happynameday
    @happynameday3 жыл бұрын

    I'm Orthodox, and I'd like to apologize for those uncalled for commentaries of my fellow Orthodox Christians. Like other people have said, they're not an adequate representation of the Orthodox at all. You would never be punched for wearing a baseball cap in one of our churches, nor would anyone else. Comments like those are nothing but rude and violent and need not be taken to heart. May God forgive us all!

  • @randomguy1453

    @randomguy1453

    Жыл бұрын

    I attended my parish last week while our Metropolitan was visiting and saw someone wearing a baseball cap, he walked out very unpunched, it was a great time.

  • @johnsambo9379

    @johnsambo9379

    3 ай бұрын

    I tried to go to a Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia for two months. Everyone was very friendly. I only attended the Divine Liturgy. I wanted to attend a different service with my family. I went to a feast day celebration for St. John of Shanghai on a Friday evening. Immediately I got bad stares since it was a small service. I was actually told I could leave anytime I wanted. My daughter and wife where there. It was quite shocking. First church I have ever been asked to leave. The Orthodox can work on being more welcoming to outsiders. My wife and I were very saddened by this event.

  • @cliffordduhh45
    @cliffordduhh453 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for posting the follow-up so soon after the Part 2!

  • @Hellyers
    @Hellyers3 жыл бұрын

    Love the video. I'm a huge fan of your church tour videos - I've learnt a massive amount through them!

  • @rachelhansen3353
    @rachelhansen33532 жыл бұрын

    If you ever get the chance, please visit a church on the Pascha vigil (orthodox easter) it is a truly amazing experience.

  • @kandmtrip
    @kandmtrip3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for making these videos with such humility and honesty. To see you openly grapple with these hard questions and continue to listen to feedback, amend your statements, and hold firm to your faith is inspiring. Many people would either never acknowledge the feedback and just keep plugging along like nothing negative ever came up, or they would be incredibly defensive and combative in terms of defending their original stance. Thanks for being a voice of reason and grace!

  • @roundninja
    @roundninja3 жыл бұрын

    Nice video! I'm really excited for the interview coming up

  • @Spirit1443
    @Spirit14438 ай бұрын

    Your videos are really helping me process as well. Thank you Brother.

  • @fredfredburger6623
    @fredfredburger66233 жыл бұрын

    Sorry if any of us have had a chip on our shoulder with you, friend. So many of us are deeply excited and hopeful for where things are going. 99% of us are much more happy that you showed up and talked to us at all than we are that you put your hand in your pockets. Stay strong, and may God bless you. I’m baptized and I still mess up with these things so don’t feel too uncomfortable

  • @joshuaforkner1364
    @joshuaforkner13643 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for these videos. I spent 15 years as a Reformed Baptist before becoming Eastern Orthodox, having just fully entered the church last month. I appreciate your honest thoughts and wrestlings, and I look forward to further discussions and expressions of your ideas and reflections on how different traditions can interact.

  • @NoBite2
    @NoBite23 жыл бұрын

    What an amazing video, working through many questions that I also had after watching the first video. Thanks, Matt!

  • @griffbennett8882
    @griffbennett8882 Жыл бұрын

    Matt, I have watched your videos on The Coptic Orthodox Church and The Antiochian Church of America. I love your style and your respect for 'other' forms of Christianity. Myself and my Fiancee are Catechumen at St. James Antiochian Church in Ft. Collins Colorado. I have shared your videos with so many friends and family who want more information on the Antiochian Orthodox Church. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you for providing this content. Christ is Risen!

  • @callumsiddall8457
    @callumsiddall84573 жыл бұрын

    As another recent Orthodox convert (baptism in July) I can also confirm that there's a real stark difference between online Orthodoxy and real life lived Orthodoxy. Many of my Orthodox Brothers online are very very passionate about what they believe and it can lead them to say and do things that aren't very nice. My experience of real life Orthodoxy though is very different. Everyone is loving and patient and respectful. The difference can be very stark. I think in all honesty, the internet just brings out the worst in people.

  • @markheithaus

    @markheithaus

    Жыл бұрын

    I only recently learned that my Orthodox friends who pray with me are heretics for doing so 😂

  • @TW-fs3fj

    @TW-fs3fj

    Жыл бұрын

    @@markheithaus How are they heretics for that?

  • @markheithaus

    @markheithaus

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TW-fs3fj So not to me and certainly not to all Orthodox Christians, it is believed by many that one can only be in the Body of Christ within the Orthodox Church. Participating in prayer with a heteredox (non-Orthodox) led prayer is considered forbidden. For example, if you were Orthodox and praying before a Thanksgiving meal with family, it would be recommended that you politely bow your head and say the Jesus prayer and say your own blessing. Others say it's best not to even engage with heterodox Christians. The spirit of ecumenism is considered to be evil. Again, that's not all, but it's a lot of them.

  • @TW-fs3fj

    @TW-fs3fj

    Жыл бұрын

    @@markheithaus Seems like internet zealotry if anyone is telling you they can't pray with you because they're Orthodox. I wouldn't have a non Orthodox lead prayer but I will gladly pray with and for them.

  • @markheithaus

    @markheithaus

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TW-fs3fj that's what I suspect, is that it's internet zealotry. I'm not Orthodox, but an Orthodox friend prayed with me when I was in the hospital and it seemed fine. I was just watching the Billy Graham preaching in Moscow and he opened with a standard prayer in front of thousands who I imagine were Orthodox, and the Russian Orthodox Church had invited him! Of course, there were Baptists who were upset with him too 😆

  • @marcusking4365
    @marcusking43653 жыл бұрын

    As a new convert to Orthodoxy, I have watched many "Orthodox Church tours" and I must say: this is the best one I have seen thus far! Thanks for doing this. Sorry, you got some bad and sometimes violent comments. I was at Vespers last night and there was a guy wearing a hat; some women wear a head covering and some don't; some people venerate the icons and some newer folks don't. In all this diversity, I have never seen anyone say boo to anyone about any of this and more. It was several months before I would venerate anything or even cross myself. Again, no one said anything to me but was very welcoming to me and would answer my questions when I would ask. My Parish thinks it is weird when someone new comes in and automatically starts doing everything the Orthodox way like venerating icons and such.

  • @kosko20
    @kosko209 ай бұрын

    Orthodox here. Seeing these vids 2 years after the fact. Thought this was a great series and you were thoughtful and thorough in your questions and trying to humbly learn about the Orthodox church.

  • @Joshua_Nikolai
    @Joshua_Nikolai3 жыл бұрын

    You’re a gem Brother. I really appreciated that the last video was almost an hour. If combining the last two videos into one ends up being really long, I wouldn’t be mad 😉 God bless!

  • @jasonpratt5126
    @jasonpratt51263 жыл бұрын

    As a Baptist, I've found The Orthodox Study Bible to be useful for a broad Eastern Orthodox commentary on the scriptures (produced in 2008 by the St. Athanasius Academy of Orthodox Theology -- they have a great eBook edition on Amazon.) A long time ago I subscribed to a multi-volume commentary collection of the Church Fathers from Ignatius, too, which naturally features a ton of commentary from before the schism (though that's very expensive).

  • @RichardRohlin
    @RichardRohlin3 жыл бұрын

    The ugly stuff usually comes from a particular kind of convert; pray for these people, as they are usually working through an incredible amount of pain. Healing those hurts is part of the life of the Church. Check back with those folks in 50 years. If they've stuck with it, they'll have experienced some changes.

  • @arianarubytemple6008
    @arianarubytemple6008 Жыл бұрын

    Recent subscriber here from New Zealand. Absolutely LOVE your channel. Keep up the good work brother!

  • @benjaminread5287
    @benjaminread5287 Жыл бұрын

    Love all your honesty and sincerity! This is great work your doing!

  • @dimesonhiseyes9134
    @dimesonhiseyes91343 жыл бұрын

    A joke to sacrifice at the altar of the algorithm. May the great googler in the sky smile upon you. Two atoms were walking across a road when one of them said, "I think I lost an electron!" "Really!" the other replied, "Are you sure?" "Yes, I 'm absolutely positive."

  • @curtisben79
    @curtisben793 жыл бұрын

    As an Orthodox Christian, I must apologise on behalf of those Orthodox that have been combative to you over the internet. They don't represent us all. I would like to thank and praise you for all the respect you show to our faith, and the depth of understanding you seek to have is amazing. We have much to learn from you. I hope and I pray that you continue the search for truth with an open heart, like you clearly have been doing. I ask your prayers, God bless.

  • @devynrowe7492
    @devynrowe74923 жыл бұрын

    I wanted to do something like this in high school where I went to different churches and compared all the different Christian religions. I stopped really short when I found orthodoxy. It just felt like nothing else and felt right.

  • @cliffhargrave7978
    @cliffhargrave79783 жыл бұрын

    Born and raised Baptist and converted to Orthodoxy. I appreciate your videos and the respect you show to others. May God grant you many years.

  • @Skipsul
    @Skipsul3 жыл бұрын

    Regarding the hat thing I am reminded of a story - I wish I could remember the source, though there are different tellings and forms - this is the one I know best. One Sunday morning a young woman entered a church during Matins. She was dressed more as one would have expected for a Saturday night - heels, skinny short skirt, makeup (a bit worse for wear, as she may have been out since the night before). She stood there behind sunglasses, looking about. She tentatively lit a candle, and at length an older lady approached her. “What do you want here?” the older lady demanded. “I, uh… May I speak to the priest?” “Not dressed like that! You’re dressed like hussy, and this is God’s house!” “I see,” said the younger woman, and she stalked out, heels clicking. At that moment the priest came into the narthex, “Who was that?” “Some tramp, dressed like a street walker. And in the church! I told her to show respect, and she left…” “And thanks to you,” scolded the priest, “she might never come back. You were wrong to drive her out, and you must pray for her daily until she does come back.” Don’t worry about the hat, I’m just glad you came.

  • @Pickup_man_1973
    @Pickup_man_19733 жыл бұрын

    Congratulations on one of your other videos - Protestant takes tour of a Catholic Cathedral getting 1,000,000 views! That’s amazing!

  • @MattWhitmanTMBH

    @MattWhitmanTMBH

    3 жыл бұрын

    Hey thanks! I made that one just a couple of blocks from this most recent Orthodox video.

  • @KaitKat6398
    @KaitKat6398 Жыл бұрын

    Matt, I absolutely love your videos. It was these videos that I went to during a road divergence on my Christian journey. I was a nondenominational Protestant looking for a more disciplined, more structured life both in my spiritual and everyday life. I came to Orthodoxy after my boyfriend introduced me, it’s truly mind blowing how a church has stood the test of time and has never changed. As a new convert, I still greatly respect my Protestant roots. Everyone has a different journey with Christ, thank you for playing a part in mine! ☦️✝️

  • @jamieking814
    @jamieking814 Жыл бұрын

    As a catechumen and long-time inquirer into Orthodoxy it grieves me to hear that you had negative interactions with certain individuals in our church online much in the spirit of legalism and judgment. I also appreciate your sympathetic attitude towards those people and for portraying our church in such an honest and inquisitive light. Love and prayers to you, friend!

  • @alexpeace7603
    @alexpeace76033 жыл бұрын

    I love your referring to Orthodox believers as "my Orthodox brethren" - may the Christ bless you, brother :)

  • @terryme3287
    @terryme32873 жыл бұрын

    Hope u see this Matt. 😊 Love learning about Orthodoxy from you. I'm Greek Orthodox 💕 love everything you do. Had trouble with Saints at one time but the answer is simple... Their miracles occur daily, therefore they are alive, working with Christ to help us. ✝️❤️🙏God bless you always. Love from Cyprus 💕✝️

  • @steventaylor181
    @steventaylor1812 жыл бұрын

    Just found your channel yesterday while looking into faith in general. You earned my subscription within the first 5 minutes.

  • @TheVeryLovely
    @TheVeryLovely3 жыл бұрын

    I was so inspired by watching the video about the Orthodox church. I'm a part of this church for many years and I know all that stuff that was shown but the view from your point has shown me how beautiful it is! God bless you, brother!

  • @Philumptuous
    @Philumptuous3 жыл бұрын

    I'm a convert to Orthodoxy from Protestantism. From my experience, there's aggressive fundamental types in every religious group and I hope we don't view them as representative of the group. Some issues that I've noticed since converting is that some can be borderline superstitious with some of the traditions and, in America at least, Orthodox churches have become a place for different ethnic groups to congregate. Sometimes it feels like there's a divide between the converts and those born into it and most of my relationships have been formed with other converts. But none of that really affects my perspective on Orthodoxy, just of human beings. The Liturgy also doesn't revolve around the sermon like in Protestantism so it's more communal and less focused on the intellect of the pastor or any one individual.

  • @irisheyes5890

    @irisheyes5890

    3 жыл бұрын

    I appreciate your comment. As one born into the Orthodox faith I must say how much I admire converts because they have searched and studied and seem very committed to the faith. My Syrian grandfather came to this country 100 years ago with $50 and peddling wares and worked in the mines in Pennsylvania. The Antiochian Orthodox church provided him not only a place of worship but a place to converse in his native language and make connections.

  • @lanegentry6328
    @lanegentry63283 жыл бұрын

    This idea of “key assumptions” has been incredibly helpful to me in understanding why other Christians (I’m a Protestant) do things differently and it has helped me become more empathetic and more keen to learn more about their theology and traditions. These kinds of videos are always my favorite, keep up the good work!

  • @Xochaedo
    @Xochaedo3 жыл бұрын

    Hey Matt, I'm new to the channel. Basically started tuning in just before your first video of this visit. I really appreciated your questions and the videos with Father Paul. This video was also an excellent breakdown and I appreciated your honesty as you wrestled with some of the things you encountered. Looking forward to catch up with some of your past videos/series and listening to more ahead. Oh, and I got here from podcast which I found out about from Destin - been following him for several years and only just found out about the podcast!

  • @Anonymous-zk6wl
    @Anonymous-zk6wl3 жыл бұрын

    It is so sweet to see you doing these videos. The fruits of the spirit are so strong in you, it is sweet to see you openly examining other denominations without shouting them down. Brotherhood across our denominations is what we need, not endless infighting. Thank you for bridging the gap!

  • @johnanon9907
    @johnanon99073 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for taking an honest look at the Orthodox Church. I hope you will continue looking at various aspects of Orthodoxy including the Orthodox Church in America (OCA) as well as the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR). All of the different aspects are reflections of the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, but you may appreciate learning more about the history of Orthodoxy in America as it was introduced in Alaska and the Pacific Northwest by such luminaries as Saint Herman and Saint Innocent.

  • @quigonjim8364
    @quigonjim83643 жыл бұрын

    Dude, I’m a Greek Orthodox Christian and I appreciate the effort you make in trying to understand our faith. I am not offended by you asking dumb questions about our churches. For us Orthodox, the church space, it’s layout and icons are a given for us, and it’s what we’ve grown up with, and will always be a constant. You engaging in honest inquiry and thoughtful articulation of your thoughts is gratefully appreciated. Oh, and if you really want to see what Orthodox liturgies are all about; look up Mount Athos.

  • @tjflash60
    @tjflash603 жыл бұрын

    I enjoy these videos and discussions.

  • @carlafoss9248
    @carlafoss92483 жыл бұрын

    I really like these processing videos!

  • @MattWhitmanTMBH

    @MattWhitmanTMBH

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Carla!

  • @coreygraham904
    @coreygraham9043 жыл бұрын

    Hello Serbian Orthodox here in USA on behalf of others being bullies I’m sorry and please forgive us, bully has no place in Orthodoxy... I will light a candle for you. Christ is risen !

  • @victorlitteral5969
    @victorlitteral59693 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for having the honesty and courage to share with us what you found that makes sense, and what you found which didn’t make sense to you, or that you disagree with. As an Orthodox Christian, I certainly find it interesting to see how others react to our faith. I think it’s worth mentioning that there is an entire faith life which plays out inside the homes of every Orthodox family, and while we have our ‘Big’ Church stuff that we do, alot of our salvation is worked out within the walls of our homes, and hidden in the depths of our hearts. It would be so lovely if you were to travel to an Orthodox monastery, just to give us viewers your take on that more Ascetic tradition within Orthodoxy. Thanks again, and please pray for me a sinner, Victor

  • @williamhumphries4919
    @williamhumphries49193 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for all you do. You have helped me go in my faith

  • @Jereton
    @Jereton3 жыл бұрын

    This was very thoughtful. Love it. 🙌🏼

  • @barron4000
    @barron40002 жыл бұрын

    First I would like to thank you for presenting Orthodoxy very well. I’m an orthodox and from your video I’ve learned a lot.. one aspect that hasn’t been brought up concerning orthodoxy is that being the first Christian churches, it needed to be protected. The rituals the traditions needed to be strict and followed and respected. The Greek island my parents came from still have the caves preserved as they were then with icons the first Christians would go into to worship.. Hidden from the pagans and the nonbelievers.. I believe the issues you mentioned about a group of orthodox attacking you, stems from that ancient sense of guarding the church and its customs… thanks again

  • @MphsConservative
    @MphsConservative3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for these exploratory visits! I always smile when I hear “High Church” and liturgy being attributed to Catholics/Orthodox, and “Low Church” and platforms being attributed to Protestants. We Confessional Lutherans retain Sacraments, Liturgy, Sanctuary and a more formal reverence while we gratefully rejoice in Sola Fide, Gratia and Scriptura through Chris’s fulfilling work of Salvation on the cross and our direct access to our loving Father through the work of the Spirit. I identify with Believers on both sides of the “divide.” In these seemingly less Christian times, I gain strength and encouragement in knowing that, like God reminded Elijah, we are not alone. There are many who have not ‘bent the knee to Baal.’ God is at work! Blessings on your ministry!

  • @johnjay7255
    @johnjay72553 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your fairness and impartiality. This method of dividing the videos is 100% the best way.

  • @MH-zg5yw
    @MH-zg5yw3 жыл бұрын

    I discovered this channel after going down a KZread rabbit hole. As a person of faith I enjoy your videos and your openness to learn and visit other denominations.

  • @addiemo8304
    @addiemo83043 жыл бұрын

    I think Orthodoxy is the most masculine of the denominations - not toxic masculine, but there is an inherent physicality and struggle to the orthodox life that I think is attractive to masculinity (I've heard this reiterated by many people). At any protestant church you would typically see women out number men but this is not the case at your local Orthodox Church. There are a lot of benefits to this but I guess one of the downsides is that perhaps more aggressive types are drawn to it. At any rate, the central part of Orthodoxy is not theology but participation - so Orthobros can rant and rage all they like on the internet but this really has nothing to do with Orthodoxy.

  • @corneliaoprea4746

    @corneliaoprea4746

    3 жыл бұрын

    That is a pretty American development. Early Christians, as in 1st century, were mostly women and slaves at first. And if you go to historical Orthodox countries, churches are mostly filled with women. It’s and interesting development for sure, and it has been noted and discussed recently.

  • @LilethioMamo

    @LilethioMamo

    3 жыл бұрын

    Go to Ethiopia and you'll see that the majority in Orthodox churches are women.

  • @myronplatte8354

    @myronplatte8354

    2 жыл бұрын

    You are right in the sense that Orthodoxy is the Path to the fulfillment of the masculine and feminine, and their unification and completion of each other.

  • @briandelaney9710

    @briandelaney9710

    Жыл бұрын

    On the other hand , Orthodoxy is very feminine in the use of the beautiful in worship and then there are the babushkas and yiayias who really run some parishes

  • @esotericfilms
    @esotericfilms3 жыл бұрын

    just finished watching the last video for the 100000000th time lol. perfect timing!

  • @robo-
    @robo-3 жыл бұрын

    i love your videos, good work!

  • @bobbiefluffy
    @bobbiefluffy3 жыл бұрын

    Hey Matt, been a long time listener and I have greatly enjoyed these episodes where you explore Orthodox churches. Orthodoxy has changed my life profoundly, and your videos make me ask questions that remind me of when Christ first welcomed me home to the Orthodox church. If you are curious about Byzantind chant, the inherent theology of chant, and it's application in the liturgical setting, Samuel Herron of Dynamis Byzantine Ensemble is a master chanter in Scottsdale Arizona and would be a killer collab. He has a couple academic lectures but also professional and amateur recordings of Byzantine chant on his channel. He would be a fantastic stop on the way to St. Anthony's monestary if you are ever so fortunate to tour it for this channel!

  • @edgarjackson4325
    @edgarjackson43253 жыл бұрын

    Matt, thank you for such a beautiful video presentation of the Orthodox Church. You have been so thoughtful and respectful throughout the series. I regret that you were exposed to a few instances of internet hostility, but unfortunately that seems to be part of the territory. The overhead shot of you and Fr. Paul walking out together brought a tear of joy to my eye. ...a traditional Roman Catholic Softie.

  • @elduderino1776
    @elduderino177610 ай бұрын

    Any Orthodox Christian with a shred of humility wouldn’t attack you for not knowing all the nuances of how we conduct ourselves in church. All I see in your videos is someone asking honest questions to gain greater understanding, and I really enjoy watching. Forgive the internet trolls (even those who claim they’re Orthodox). God bless you brother!

  • @jastootie
    @jastootie3 ай бұрын

    lol love the video game analogy of slots. I could sense you were a gamer with the Castlevania reference in the previous vid. Anyway, my ortho bros could chill a bit. Much love for your humble and respectful curiosity! Thank you for you what you do! God bless, from a Coptic Orthodox Christian

  • @jacob5283
    @jacob52833 жыл бұрын

    Good video on your thoughts so far! That last bit you mentioned about being more at peace with other Christian traditions after learning more about them has been huge for me as well. So on the objection that the veil being torn means that there should be no iconostasis, I'd just like to share a few notes on this that I've found helpful: - The curtain is opened (not torn down) - Christ enters into the Holy of Holies with his blood and grants us access (he does not do away with it) - We all become temple, but this is both on the personal level and on the corporate level, within the temple. In other words, each Christian is a temple, together with other Christians making up the temple, gathered within the temple, which is a spatial icon of the celestial temple in which we participate (think of matryoshka dolls) - The function of the iconostasion, like the temple veil before it is iconographic (embroidered icons of cherubim; painted icons of archangels and Saints). The Holy place/nave is an icon of the sensible world, and the Holy of Holies/chancel is an icon of the intelligible (noetic) world. The veiling of it makes accessible what is invisibly present. - the iconostasion de-centers the clergy and places our attention on Christ and his divine court. - honestly, the iconostasion isn’t what prevents physical access to the chancel-you wouldn’t be going up there without an invitation anyway, even if there were nothing but a simple meter-high handrail. That’s not unique to the Orthodox Christian temple arrangement - every space necessarily has focal zones, with one in particular being considered most significant. For a non-sacramental protestant church, that might be the preacher’s pulpit and chair. For Lakewood Church, as with many mega-churches, it’s the stage. Not everyone gets to go up there, because not everyone has business up there. - focus on the clergy and servers (which is, handily, occluded by the iconostasion) distracts the laity from their proper mode of participation in the Divine Liturgy-not everyone carries a fan, not everyone preaches the homily, not everyone blesses the chalice, not everyone chants the melismatic, papadic hymns. Each has his or her proper ministry (1 Cor 12), and within the liturgy, the *crucial* role proper to the laity is to offer prayers of doxology, to chant their proper responses, and to supplicate on behalf of the Church and the whole world. *If the laity are doing their job, they have no time to ponder what the altar servers are up to.* Conversely, if they find themselves thinking about what the altar servers are doing, they’re not doing their own job.

  • @raymondmurillo
    @raymondmurillo3 жыл бұрын

    People in the parish do know and see prosphoron bread. Usually they are baking it for the church.

  • @jimmu2008

    @jimmu2008

    3 жыл бұрын

    My uncle, the late Archimandrite Jerome, converted to Orthodoxy in 1961 from the Evangelical United Brethern Church. At his parish in Wisconsin, families took turns baking the bread. There was a mold that they passed around for baking the bread. One time he showed it to me. So I would say people are familiar with the symbols on the bread.

  • @jeremyfirth
    @jeremyfirth3 жыл бұрын

    Standing in church really helps me focus on what I'm seeing and on what I'm hearing as well. It's too easy for my mind to drift off when I'm sitting in a pew. Not to mention the respect aspect of physically being reminded that you are in the presence of God, angels, and saints.

  • @techoape
    @techoape3 жыл бұрын

    I'm just thrilled that we are learning more about one another. May God bless your work and lead us all to His Truth.

  • @john.f8726
    @john.f87263 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoyed your visit to and views on Orthodoxy. In many ways I understand where you come from as I spent the first 43 years of my life as a Protestant (Reformed tradition). Converted to Orthodoxy 7 years ago and the questions you raised about icons also took me a while to grasp. Thank you and all the best in running this race called life. God Bless!

  • @johnsambo9379

    @johnsambo9379

    3 ай бұрын

    I tried to go to a Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia for two months. Everyone was very friendly. I only attended the Divine Liturgy. I wanted to attend a different service with my family. I went to a feast day celebration for St. John of Shanghai on a Friday evening. Immediately I got bad stares since it was a small service. I was actually told I could leave anytime I wanted. My daughter and wife where there. It was quite shocking. First church I have ever been asked to leave. The Orthodox can work on being more welcoming to outsiders. My wife and I were very saddened by this event.

  • @baoduong2203
    @baoduong22033 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts Matt. For Catholics and the Orthodox: asking the Saints to pray for us is a very simple concept since we see it like asking a friend on earth to pray for us. I really enjoy how you mentioned how we start off with different assumptions.

  • @christianwilson9677
    @christianwilson96773 жыл бұрын

    I’m sorry to hear about those negative experiences with Orthodox people online. As an Orthodox convert of two years, I was once warned about internet orthodoxy and forums. “Real” life experiences have been incredibly positive but every group has their “crazy’s”.

  • @MattWhitmanTMBH

    @MattWhitmanTMBH

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Orthodox on the Internet have been 98% awesome, but the 2% are bad in a way I don't see in other circles around the Christian Internet. I've got no hard feelings about it, but I thought it might be helpful to mention it.

  • @HammerHeadzzz
    @HammerHeadzzz3 жыл бұрын

    Hey I said hi to you at SPPOC in the Narthex leaving early, just wanted to say much love awesome videos Matt. Been watching for a while and you do awesome things for the faith

  • @HammerHeadzzz

    @HammerHeadzzz

    3 жыл бұрын

    Just got half way through the video. There are a lot of very intense and very internet-centered orthodox Christians who have bad social skills. The church is for the sick, sorry you have run into the super combative Internet crowd though I think a lot of it is because people come to orthodoxy through intellectual conclusions and that attracts a certain subset of people. A lot of converts are very unemotional on a scale of very empathetic - very unemotional in comparison with I think a lot of converts to other kind of Christianity that are more empathetic and emotionally minded I hope your experience in person at the liturgy was much better, it was very cool to meet you briefly

  • @rebeccakinney1345
    @rebeccakinney13453 жыл бұрын

    I’ve been quietly following your videos for quite some time, I’m a recent convert to Catholicism and love the questions you’re asking as they are a lot of the same questions that led me to leave my parents non-denominational church. I lost my faith for almost a decade before research (and I do mean a ton of research into the history of Christianity, how the Bible was compiled, and the connection between Judaism and Christianity) that research reignited a thirst in me for what was true. And it brought me to where I am now. There is so much I have yet to learn, history, tradition and theology, there is so much. I have only scratched the surface of my faith.

  • @LiquidChump
    @LiquidChump3 жыл бұрын

    Matt, Im born and raised Orthodox and I’d like to thank you for your videos. I enjoy all of your content. Im glad youre coming to realize how experiential Orthodoxy is, in this life and the next. We really do view both testaments as one story because of the foretelling of Christ and the Theophanies as well. Be well and God bless you always.

  • @LiquidChump

    @LiquidChump

    3 жыл бұрын

    Matt mentioned the different feel of epistemology of the old testament between groups.

  • @LiquidChump

    @LiquidChump

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Christos Kyrios Matt begins at about 10:55. I dont know who sees shadows or allegories in theophanies. I dont.Be well, God bless

  • @andrewromine1909
    @andrewromine19093 жыл бұрын

    Yay part three!

  • @cassyvorster466
    @cassyvorster4668 ай бұрын

    Today I watched my first Devine liturgy on the sixth Sunday of St Elijah (I hope I got that right) and it was fantastic! Thank you for your videos, I really find them informative and fulfilling. You ask great questions. God bless

  • @ukerkater
    @ukerkater3 жыл бұрын

    Your interviews with Father Paul are excellent. He is a powerful communicator. Also, your questions demonstrate an honest curiosity. As a “cradle” Orthodox, I feel I have been given a great gift in knowing the Church all my life. As seekers of Truth do, I have struggled spiritually, but I have always had a reliable foundation and community in which to work out my faith. It seems many people are learning about Orthodoxy and I see this spirit of honest curiosity in those who visit our parish. I hope that the aggression that you have encountered is rare. It is devastatingly contrary to the hospitality that we, as Orthodox Christians, are expected to extend to visitors. I suspect that some misguided/fanatical individuals are emboldened by the anonymity of the internet. Thanks for your thought provoking videos!