I really wish relics became a core part of demon hunter’s identity, getting a few support cards every few expansions to encourage a value-heavy control style archetype in wild

@jelenvriji4763

21 күн бұрын

Yes, me too. The problem with that is that you either only make limited number of them or make most of them suck. Relic decks were really powerful with three different relics. Imagine if the entire deck consisted of good cards that make your entire deck better after you play them. Relics are just real hard to balance and that makes me sad

@fenrirthefenrir5476

21 күн бұрын

Yeah :| it would be cool

@piratecurse9416

21 күн бұрын

They've have the chance in the minis sets but they Wanted hahaha Big demons And big demons IS Still for this day a Bad archetype

@muhammadfazlurrahman4929

21 күн бұрын

until you face aggro pirate rogue that is, like full board on fucking turn 1, no way some slower deck will survive from that

I LOVE BUTTON DRUID I LOVE SMASHING MY HERO PORTRAIT INTO STUFF LIKE AN ACTION FIGURE

The Concoction cards are some of my favorite cards of all time, Putricide was amazing for me I n put it in every deck I could reasonably force it in lol

I loved libram pally. It felt so natural to be buffing every minion you played. Favorite card is still obsidian statue

@peshomighty5051

21 күн бұрын

Yeah I wish it was permanent. You could print some.spells or card that reward buffing your minions on board. The Last Kaleidosaur. Man I miss adapt.

kinda wierd volatile skeleton mage was ignored. was my favorite one time archetype to play

I think the main reason for this phenomenon to exist is that the existence of a standard format requires that the cards from an expansion focus entirely on the standard experience, which means they either go all in regarding an archetype or simply don't support it at all. At the same time, having limited tools for said archetype can and often will make it not really work, case in point being the fact that Secret Mage is never good in standard but will pop off in wild from time to time.

@vitordarksider

21 күн бұрын

In theory the core-set should be a bridge between formats, making it possible for future expansions to benefit both, but aside from highlander I can't really think of any.

@Uefeti

18 күн бұрын

I mean, parasitic mechanics existed in games for years, Including other TCG’s. They are used because they work

When it comes to paladin they made expansion later weapon 5/3card that was a libram that had corrupt: lifesteal and I was super amazed how well designed card that was. It acctually got me exited for future sets when I saw that they reintroduce archetypes in a different way allowing for cool theme. Sadly they never reapeted that

@FlareHearthstone

21 күн бұрын

Darkmoon races is a different case because it's the first miniset, so they covered the entire year. It's not any different than other minisets adding new cards to their expansions

- Astral Automaton can imo more be compared to Pogo Hoppers - The other card "Bug fixed" was Dwarven Archeologist

Fun fact: Plagues were going to be part of the main identity of Death knight. If you look at the original ideas for Runes on the wikia, you can see they had Plagues planned from the start

Man I just want to concede when I face a plague death knight.

@user-pq9up1jf2s

21 күн бұрын

I used to bring Steamcleaner in my ETC before it got rotated just because of plague death knight

I really think there's a few better picks for some of the classes here, given their choices do still get some support occasionally (unless you only wanted to pick archetypes that saw SOME play): Druid: The weird Heal/No Minion Druid from Rise of Shadows basically never showed up again but took up half their cards for the expansion. Hero Power/Hero Attack Druid was also their main archetype in Rumble and the Questline in Stormwind, which basically do the same thing. Mage: Volatile Skeleton Mage seems far more niche than Nagas, since any new Naga is support for the archetype and the tribe regularly has "If you cast a spell, do X" as their baseline effect. Meanwhile, Skelly Mage has...5 cards to its name? If you include the titular skeleton? Shaman: From De Other Side Shaman is basically just Big Shaman, which has been around every now and then and gets incidental support all the time. Meanwhile, the very same expansion, had the absolutely baffling "Deathrattle Shaman" support meant to build around Scourge Troll. The class did have "Give your minions "Deathrattle"" cards since its inception, but they've always just been random support pieces up until that point, with maybe one per expansion at most.

@FlareHearthstone

21 күн бұрын

You do realize there are just more than one option right it's not like I'm ranking them or anything

Why are these powerpoint videos so good? I end up clicking on each one in my recommended videos.

Concoctions were also played in Wild Miracle Rogue as a side-grade from mailbox dancer builds. The concoction Miracle deck mostly died from the multiple nerfs to Sinstone Graveyard and when Rogue got more cantrips and gear shift it became better to just go instead of taking turns off to set up potion belt and sinstone graveyard

I really like when they do this kind of stuff, seems like a puzzle to find out how to make the most out of each package, also heart stonebrew is probably the best card ever in terms of fun, just because they give you memories, I put it in almost every deck, even if it's not optimal to

"I like plagues" very brave into. Was on the cusp of clicking off.

@FlareHearthstone

21 күн бұрын

Plagues are broken enough to be the only playable cards in wild dk

Oh man i loved playing Libram paladin. Had super silly deck that used Last Kaleidosaur (due to so many minnion buffing) and Lynessa Sunsorrow that when played coppied every cast if a minnion buff spell i used. Waa very silly

my favorite card of all time is probably Instructor Fireheart (I really liked it back in scholomance due to the potential value it can generate)

Powerpoint on cards that are bad except for one meta/expansion? (Naga sea witch, darkness)

one time archetypes are the most fun, like it's problem came from them not priniting support cards in the furture meaning there must be 1 or two card being extremely toxic or op, it can all simply be fixed by actually print decent amount of support cards for them

Excavate lock was cool but what we all want back is cube lock.

i really hope they add back relics in dh

Blizzard had no reason whatsoever to nerf From De Other Side. It was such a fun deck. What's the problem of having something unintended as long as it doesn't cause issues?

I feel like concotions could be a staple in rogue, they just need a rework to make some interactions less broken. Also, speaking of broken, my favourite card is shadowstep

Pretty sure the fate splitter change was specifically targeted at from de other side

My little child has being mentioned :( RIP From de Other Side Shaman I hope they simply bring any Deathrattle that gives the last (+5) mana spell you played or something like that Nowadays i have just Hope remaining

@RastakhanFromdeOtherSide

16 күн бұрын

I love Princess and Frog reference, i do that all the time hahaha

I miss the whole volatile skeleton archetype so much :(

As a warrior main I always loved to shuffle bombs on my opponents deck. Never thought It will come back to bite me

My main problem with most one-time archetype is that they just feel... incomplete. I mean, compare HS to Magic: When Magic does one-time archetype, they print a ton of cards for that archetypes. Many keywords are also reused later. Magic does standard "blocks". In HS terms: Instead of having 3 completely different expansions, they have 3 expansions of one theme... kinda like the stormwind/barrens/alterac expansions we got. Doing it like this allows to deeply explore some archetypes, which is just way more fun to me. And they also reuse old "keywords" or mechanics more often, which is really rare in HS. So instead of just making an archetype, then throwing it away... they add a new keyword to their repertoire.

Honestly, I like the concept of plagues and their effects, but the main issue there is is with Helya making them incredibly obnoxious. If we are to compare plagues with bombs, at least bombs would be gone from your deck once exploded, plagues on the other hand can be reshuffled with each one drawn if Helya was played, which makes drawing multiple cards, if not, even one card extremely upsetting, especially if there are dozens of plagues already shuffled in. One band aid fix I could see from Blizz if plague DK would step out of line is to either make Helya reshuffle the plagues triggered at the end of the turn, thus allowing you to actually draw without fearing you might end up on a continous streak of plagues with each subsequent draw, or just making only her plagues to reshuffle.

One-off mechanics can really suck when they end up making a class feel directionless and inconsistent. Mage has been the worst with this, I think. Between them rapidly juggling the 4-5 Mage archetypes they want to be be playable at once and the constant one-offs that class gets, the class never gets room to breath. Seriously, all 3 Year of the Wolf expansions injected their own all-new one-off archetype for Mage, with Lightshow Mage, Rainbow Mage, and Excavate Mage respectively. I'm willing to be a little lenient with Showdown in the Badlands' Excavate Mage, because the Excavate archetypes were the main focus of that expansion, but come the fuck on. Of course, then you had Whizbang's Workshop suddenly deciding "Oh, No Minion Mage is a thing again!" but then only proceeding to print 3 cards to support it (4 with the miniset oh goodie) because they needed to shove in half-baked Big Spell support, Elemental Mage support, Secret support, and whatever the fuck Puzzlemaster Kahdgar was trying to be. Honestly, I meant for this comment to be broader but fuck it, I'm just salty about Mage and wish they'd stop fumbling the class. At least Perils in Paradise gave some good cards to it, though let's be real, Tourist Druid is gonna get way more use out of them than Mage will.

@robertlupa8273

21 күн бұрын

Puzzlemaster Khadgar was a generic value card because they didn't know what archetype to push (and I assume they were dead-set on the Legendary being a minion, so pushing No Minion Mage was out of the question).

First time Fate splitter got changed, they made it so it will no longer give you from the other side if it attacked and got killed by an enemy minion - it will give you that minion instead. I have no idea why they made that change, they killed a deck that wasn't even good and people just had fun with. So lame.

I really liked FtoS Shaman. What they did first was change how the interaction worked, where if Fatesplitter died to a minion after attacking it, you would just get that minion. You had to have the Fatesplitter survive attacking for it to be killed by FtoS and give you FtoS. This pretty much killed the deck but I kept playing it regardless. Then they nerfed Fatesplitter to its current form alongside other deathrattle interaction cards.

My favorite card is Witchwood, Tess I unpacked the golden Tess day one, and I’ve just been playing her sense

Whenever I play hero power druid the monkey in head just goes Me hit button, me hit with 40 damage, me happy

so many of them are 1 expansion things and never get more bonus support

I'd choose curse warlock instead of excavate one. Sludge would also fit.

Friendly reminder that my favorite card is cthun the shatered, the absolute goat text flavor and game plan. sadly murdered out of viability by the ever present hability to have more than 30 max health

Kazakus is def my personal favorite

Dragon hunter took me back lmao

Personally I don't like when they do one time archetypes they can just feel abandoned And like, if there are only like 5 cards that support an archetype leaves with very few variety, I get that if there were 30 cards supporting an archetype then you just always put them in the same deck and leads to even less variety, so I get is hard to get the right amount of cards supporting it

Probably a controversial opinion, but I love Plague DK *mainly as an alternate win condition* I love being able to play Rainbow DK and always have the shuffled , infinite, plagues as a Plan B of sorts. Its saved my arse more than a few times too!

The DH Relic legendary kinda implies what there will be only 3 relics. Also relics are hard to bring back. I doubt they will ever return

but hero power druid is not a one time archetype, right ? it will come back right ? it has to.

@FlareHearthstone

21 күн бұрын

Copium

@Bolvar_

21 күн бұрын

nah trust me, hero power druid will come back, j ust like bolvar.

Wouldn't Enhancement Shaman be a better fit for the category?

@FlareHearthstone

21 күн бұрын

Shaman gets weapons and attack buffs all the time so not really

the relics got buffed from being awful to the only good demon hunter package the entire year, until they got nerfed and then a different demon hunter package got buffed and became the only good format i also feel like earthen paladins are a great example of how it can be done badly - i still have no idea why they didn't release an extra in the miniset

Ngl I thought rogue was going to be SI:7 Rogue

I thought for Shaman you were gonna call out the 3/2 Duelist package from Rastakhan’s, my least favorite Shaman cards ever and the only non-legendary shaman cards I don’t have

I also feel this annoyance/dislike about these one time archetypes, but more specifically for keywords that they don’t reuse like ever. Like they might never print dredge again.

my favourite was curse warlock

Surprised you didn’t pick Wildseeds for Hunter

I liked Curses from Sunken City You almost completed your Demon Seed quest with 9 cards in hand ? It'd be a shame if I played Sira'kess Cultist

I was expecting SI rogue

Also make Azurite snake drain 10 again

Best hearthstone card is blindeye sharpshooter

Skeleton mage

azerite snake is just very much non-interactive. dk is the only class that can counter the card and an effect that heals and deals dmg twice and then you're dead the third time it's played is very toxic, no matter how strong it is.

I really hate these types of cards. I think if they want to do "temporary" archetypes, at least support it for the whole standard year, not one expansion!

i hate Helya, why is damage infinite?

This video gets longer every set release.

Day #7 of glazing Shadow Reaper Anduin.

11:30 Bud Lite!? Ok this time Flare really DID say Trans Rights 🏳️‍⚧️🎉

@FlareHearthstone

21 күн бұрын

I'm gonna be 100% I forgot they did that lmao

@pederw4900

21 күн бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone well he’ll yeah brother anyways

Puppet Theatre is definitely my favorite card. You can just copy your opponents win condition. Opponent is playing Helya? Cool, I'm going to use Puppet Theatre to shuffle 12 plagues in to the opponents deck. Also the most satisfying thing you can do in the game is blowing up a Reno warriors deck and then winning.

I think plague death knight is the worst set of cards ever made, I hate em, they've made me a professional death knight hater

you really need a script or a bulletpoint of some sort i like your videos but it feels like your rambling alot and struggling to get a point through to the audience which makes the content way less appealing

@Uefeti

18 күн бұрын

+++ A lot of pointless ramblings

unpopular opinion: helya should have been 2 or 3 runes, it is the unholy wincondition for this wave of cards, why is rainbow allowed to run it?

@FlareHearthstone

21 күн бұрын

Helya is such a broken card, it's power level is that of a 3 rune card due to INFINITELY RESHUFFLING PLAGUES yet it's a 1 rune card because rune requirements are arbitrary bullshit that don't make sense and just make bad cards worse and good cards better

@neonoir__

21 күн бұрын

​@@FlareHearthstoneyeah i think they mostly gave up on the whole mechanic already, since they almost never make cards that cant go into ranbow anymore. Very sad, since it was the only interesting part of the class imo

@DCDsauce

21 күн бұрын

@@FlareHearthstone wanted to comment this on your Songs video, CNE made Rainbow DK a mainstay and now all its good cards are 1-rune or two different 1of-runes. If she was released in March of The Lich King, Helya would be 3 unholy runes. Likewise, if Alexandros was released today he would be 1 blood rune. Rainbow being allowed to have Horseman, Helya, Reska, Maw & Paw, CNE and make full use of cards like Seamstress is INSANE.

@robertlupa8273

21 күн бұрын

Why is the weapon 2 runes but Helya is 1 rune???

YOU MISUSED THE CHOCOLATE GORILLA MEME HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO SAY ANYTHING ON THE LAST PANEL BECAUSE HE'S MELTED im crying and shaking and unsubbing Dragons should've always been a hunter thing take them off druid immediately blizzard

One time archetypes might be the worst things added to hs

@Staklihen

20 күн бұрын

Can you try to explain why you think this is the case?

@slugrex

20 күн бұрын

@@Staklihen makes deckbuilding much more boring. Most of the time you need to add the entire package, so half the deck is predetermined. I would rather have cards be standalone good or useful. I'm never going to run just Abyssal Wave, I'm going to need to run every single curse card for example.

@Staklihen

20 күн бұрын

@@slugrex As a Yu-Gi-Oh! player, this reminds me of the archetype principle, so I don't have a problem with it.

@slugrex

20 күн бұрын

@@Staklihen hearthstone originally was more about class strengths and weaknesses than about packages. Now, on top of class strengths and weaknesses, are 50 prebuilt packages that normally require a legendary to be good, and if some of the package is bad it will all be bad