It irks me that the first things that show up when you search the word "Postmodernism" on KZread are a series of interviews with Jordan 🅱 Peterson instead of, well, stuff like this.

@9206201

4 жыл бұрын

why? genuinely asking

@demit189

4 жыл бұрын

@@9206201 because Peterson has no clue what he is talking about

@nihilnovum5034

4 жыл бұрын

@@9206201 Peterson is either wilfully lying or his knowledge of philosophy is that of a child. Even his career in psychology is questionable. Look it up. He makes outrageous claims constantly with absolutely zero evidence or arguments to back them.

@somerandomarmydude

4 жыл бұрын

@@nihilnovum5034 Like what?

@cameronidk2

4 жыл бұрын

So i'm not arguing either side but in some sense "mission accomplished"

On JBP and postmodernism: As a guy writing about postmodern philosophy, I think we should admit that some of the problem is in our own backyard. While it is obvious that Peterson completely misunderstands what postmodernism is, this is also true of a lot of students who identify with it, who use it as a convenient excuse to relativize any fact which counters their dogmatic beliefs. Which is why I am very thankful that you're making these videos, as it is important both to those who too easily dismiss postmodernism because they don't understand it, and those who accept it too easily because they don't understand it.

@EighteenYearAccount

5 жыл бұрын

lethalbee this exactly

@nikolademitri731

5 жыл бұрын

lethalbee excellent point, but I don’t think it would stop that kind of behavior, certainly not completely. I agree with you, but that’s the difference between honest/good faith actors and dishonest/bad faith actors. Those acting in bad faith will use/misuse whatever they can to justify themselves, whether or not they understand the concept(s) they’re using for that justification. Imo the responsibility ultimately lies more with those misusing a concept (bc, you know, they can just educate themselves), though we should still reach out in good faith to correct/explain why such actions aren’t justified, when we see them. I experience this somewhat often, especially in the cesspool of social media, with folks who misuse/mistake leftist political concepts/philosophy to (attempt to) justify a given stance: sometimes it’s an honest mistake, but often it’s not. If I see it, I tend to respectfully call it out, and explain why/how they’re wrong, but if someone is a bad faith actor, they’re going to still keep doing it (as I’ve seen many times). I guess my only real point is that we can and should do what you’re suggesting, but it’s definitely not going to completely mitigate the problem bc many of the folks who you describe are bad faith actors, full stop, and they’ll misuse whatever concepts they find necessary to justify their bullshit. Cheers ✌🏼

@waterguyroks

5 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%

@RFRD777

5 жыл бұрын

@lethalbee Great point!

@smashwombel

5 жыл бұрын

The problem is probably selective postmodernism. Concepts such as race, gender and culture are without a doubt arbitrary social constructs. But that goes for all instances of those identities, even if they signify being part of an underprivileged group. Take gender for example. You can't reject the gender binary (because you don't believe in some sort of "essence", which defines being male and female) and at the same time introduce new identities, which define themselves purely by being distinct from traditional gender roles. Aren't you just "redistributing" male and female traits among these new identities and contrasting them with each other the same way femininity is sometimes defined as an inversion of masculinity? But maybe I'm just overthinking this.

"The purpose of a human being is excellence" Huh, I guess Bill and Ted really were philosophers.

@Dorian_sapiens

5 жыл бұрын

Be excellent to each other.

@DrumWild

5 жыл бұрын

_Whoa!_

@osbadekar8626

5 жыл бұрын

Like dust in the wind

@dan5609

5 жыл бұрын

They learned a lot from that So Crates dude

@roseblack6342

5 жыл бұрын

excellentttt

A three-part Postmodernism FAQ. I can see this quickly becoming an essential resource in online discussions.

@tym7267

5 жыл бұрын

I can see how it will surely become an often quoted source in any "discussions" with JBP fans (facepalm

@EighteenYearAccount

5 жыл бұрын

Joseph Storey Lmaooo

@gorgolbutt

5 жыл бұрын

This video gets Post-Modernism largely wrong. Actually, quite completely wrong. The guy talking sounds very young, 16 or something, so it is understandable. I suggest you watch a few lectures on Post-Modernism by Jordan Peterson. He has studied post-modernism for years, and it's ill effects on society, universities, for example via the suppression of free speech by a a bill in Canada called C-16. It's logical conclusion is essentially totalitarianism. Look some of those videos up, it'll actually change the way you view post-modernism.

@Dorian_sapiens

5 жыл бұрын

sergio, you're memeing, right?

@wildbeast99t

5 жыл бұрын

@@gorgolbutt shitty bait

It's the 27th, I was so close to finishing No Nut November but this video ruined it. I should have known to not click videos about postmodernism.

@TwentySeventhLetter

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think you realize how much it made me smile to see you leave this comment on this video when and how you did. Love your stuff.

@bodbn

5 жыл бұрын

I'm sure your no sex decade is not in danger.

@stanthonysfire6387

5 жыл бұрын

@@bodbn ouuchhhh

I can't recommend Rick Roderick's lectures enough. He's very good at making difficult philosophical topics digestible, and his thick southern accent is just icing on the cake because it feels so ironic, I can't help but chuckle when he talks.

Postmodernity should be the term to refer to the "time period" or "condition" we're in. Not -ism, but -ity.

Really pleased that you answered my question first and as expected, your response was very insightful. Thank you

Wow. That was the most appealing intro to pomo I've seen (and heard). Serious props.

Thank you for all these great links to PDFS as well books, along with your video essays, I can have a much better understanding of complex topics.

Thank you so much for this information. I've been pondering these questions for a while, especially the topic of relativism (and how it relates to Postmodernism), so this has both helped me, and the others that I will share this information with. I used to be dismissive of critical theory, ironically under the guise of supposed 'critical thinking' advocates, so it's nice to see such an eloquent presentation of ideas that I can share.

Been waiting for this. Keep up the good work and all the best with your studies!

The guy, who made the Animating Poststructuralism video, Christopher Bolton is actually a a professor in Williams College. He wrote a book "Interpenetrating Anime". It's an academic (!) book, and it's pretty amazing

T H I S I S N O T A PERFECT WORLD

@4n0mie

5 жыл бұрын

in a perfect world, men like me should not exist.

@Agos226

3 жыл бұрын

In a perfect world men like Jordan Peterson would not exist... but this is not a perfect world

@gedde5703

2 жыл бұрын

Hello, potion seller. I am going into battle and I want only your strongest potions.

@14HourTechnicolorDream

Ай бұрын

@@Agos226 heyyy i like your pfp, Syd Barrett is great ❤️❤️

I love your vids, so concise and yet precise, very interesting. About all the complex philosophical terminology, do you have any advice on some dictionnary to compile it all ? As pretty much a complete neophyte I'd gladly have one

Once again I have to admire the amount of reading you have done. Great job!!!

Amazing video. As always well researched and well writen. Thank you for giving us more inside into postmodernism.

17:07 Being (dumb and) uneducated in philosophy, I paused at the end of the quote and just sat there for a minute. Observing the unprecedented bafflement, consternation, and disappointment arising in me. I rewinded back to check if I misheard something. I didn't. I started feeling dizziness. I started imagining adequate contexts and interpretations. I was kinda hesitant to continue watching. When I eventually did, the feeling of profound relief was so intense that I almost slid from my chair. You bloody well got me good. Being dead serious for such a long time finally paid off, huh?

So engaging! Thanks for the summaries! I thought Derrida was the last of the structuralists/modernists though. LOVE THE WORK AS ALWAYS!

Really grateful for your effort and the clarity of this overview. Can you please leave the visual aids, quotes, etc. up on the screen for about 5 seconds more? Many of their appearances are too short for me to take in.

@ericminch

3 жыл бұрын

I got in the habit of to freeze, scroll back 10 seconds, replay.

Hi, thanks for sharing so much time trying to make things clear about postmodernism. I appreciate this and have been trying to make it accessible to Spanish speakers so I've added Spanish subs. Although I've only read secondary sources, I'm still puzzled about how much this has been misunderstood. I've also read the pieces the Sokal squared team has been writing during the last 3 years or so, and it truly strikes the layman as if traditional media have been advertising two very different -one would say incompatible- versions of postmodernism. Of course, very few people will take the time to try and understand beyond the surface, but it seems even knowledgable people in literary theory and philosophy have different/opposed takes on the basic tenets. As a professional biologist I've seen actual denialism and I do understand it must be an oversimplification. The political and social understanding of this branch of philosophy is sooo poorly understood as Darwinian evolution, to be honest. We're basically stuck with the Postmodern Condition, and to many people that means the can dismiss both thick books like the ones you quote and thick proof from -you name which branch of the natural sciences! One is past the time when we'd expect people to get rid of things like Social Darwinism (social survival of the fittest in a capitalist context) or Lysenkoism (denialism of genetics in a forcefully "egalitarian" society), but those interpretations remain in full force today. One gathers that well, politics and social determinants of knowledge do have a tremedous impact in how most people perceive and act upon beliefs, narratives, and several sources of knowledge in general.

Thanks for the Anti Oedipus reference. I always loved Foucault’s preface in that book. It’s absolutely brilliant and has quite the revolutionary thrust.

Philosophy and the mirror of nature is a fantastic book and I'm happy to see Rorty talked about in this video. I feel odd being analytic that reads Heidegger, Dogen, and Pragmatism. Oh well.

Do you have a Patreon? Because honestly I would pay money for these videos and more. For years I’ve been trying to find someone to explain postmodernism as thoroughly as you have done here.

Maybe we could use the term “postmodern philosophy” to refer to an era of philosophy rather than a type. Renaissance writers didn’t think of themselves as being part of the Renaissance (the term was coined after the fact) and they certainly didn’t organize the movement collaboratively, but organizing them into the same category is useful. We can point out similar themes, styles, their patterns of influence on one another, and so on.

@hedgehog3180

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think you can really show that such commonality really exists though. On that scale post-modernism is still a relatively new thing and there are many philosophers alive who clearly reject it and I don't think you can say that they're just unwilling to admit it because they do clearly base their stuff on the principles that post-modernism rejects. I think you can do this with modernism since there were some commonalities that we can identify afterwards and maybe in the future we can very clearly say that this was when post-modernism started but that's something only time will tell. It's hard to know whether the philosophers who reject it are supposedly the last embers of modernism or this is just a debate within academia and who knows maybe in the future people won't even see it that way and instead see this entire period as a rough continuation of the same culture that has existed since the start of the industrial revolution.

The way I've come to think of it is that morality is to ethics what strategy is to tactics.

I just finished a couple phil classes at my university under Todd May. Great guy. will miss his classes.

Dude, you are TREASURE, may the world watch your videos more widely!

As a possible answer to a connection between PoMo and Buddhism, people interested should learn about the Madhyamika interpretation of emptiness promoted by the ancient Buddhist philosophers Nagarjuna and Chandrakirti and still advanced by much of Tibetan Buddhist philosophy. They come to much the same conclusion, my understanding of the main distinctions may be that they apply the contextual and relative framework to all of reality rather than just language or ideology and they take the added step of avoiding a nihilistic worldview by affirming the lawful, orderly functioning of the relational conventional world. They even tie the "Two Truths" (conventional, or relative and ultimate, or things as they actually are) together and say that they rely on and enable each other.

@greggfiller1

4 жыл бұрын

Jamie Dorsey Nice addition. Ken Wilber has a lecture (in the “Integral Spirituality: A Cut Deeper” series) where he describes Nagarjuna as a progenitor of (aspects of) Postmodernism, and he explains Nagarjuna’s distinction of Emptiness, Form and Nondual that you are referring to here in other terms. He also talks about how many American Buddhists are interpreting Nondual realization erroneously, mistaking it as Postmodern relativity, thus throwing out Emptiness and Nondual realization altogether.

Excellent job. Definitely going to recommend this as the go-to vid for my students who want to know about Postmodernism.

@bodbn

5 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't you direct them to actual texts written by post modernist.

@MichellePfan

5 жыл бұрын

Nah. That makes too much sense.

1. Incredulity towards meta narratives 2. Anti foundationalism 3. Anti Essentialism 4. Anti Teleology ( anti-inherent-purpose)

This actually cleared up a lot of things for me. Thank you.

Pretty much my only reference for your accent is the voice samples used on Mylo's 2004 album "destroy rock & roll", which I'd view as an endearing positive xD ... enjoying your video content! - it's great stuff

In the next video, could you speak about the relation between postmodern philosophy and postmodern art? It's a tricky topic to talk about because the uses of the term postmodern in both contexts is similar at first glance, but also have important distinctions. Namely in terms of how both relate to the term modernism. It gets confusing because, in philosophy, modernist and postmodernist mean two entirely distinct things. Modernist means relating to the Enlightenment and its legacy, while postmodernist means relating to a critique of certain absolutist modes of Enlightenment thought. While in the arts, modernist and postmodernist actually sort of mean the same thing. By which I mean, postmodern art and literature is a continuation and elaboration upon certain artistic and literary tropes which came from modernism. They're both concerned with the subjective experience of the individual in response to industrial capitalist society. Much of what's called modernist literature and poetry (e.g. Joyce, Conrad, Pound, Elliot, Beckett, Bergman) have all the traits now associated with postmodernism: fragmentation, subjective experience prioritised over objective knowledge, self-referentiality, intertextuality, and plurality in meaning. In the arts, postmodernism might be better called "late modernism", as some critics have suggested.

In response to the Q. at 23:31 about postmodernism and religion . There is a school of theological thought in Christianity called Radical Orthodoxy that has described it's project as "Postmodern Critical Augustinianism" it engages constructively with postmodern & poststructuralist philosophies and has many similar critiques of modern and positivist foundationalisms. They also tend to be Socialists ;) not that those are inherently related (sorry Mr. Hicks) There are plenty others too but this is one I'm most familiar with.

you really got me at 17:20 with Derrida quote

"Christmas with the Kranks: A Libertarian's Struggle Against the Pressures of Social Conformity." You should do it.

@ornos3133

4 жыл бұрын

“Christmas with the Kranks: The Jolly Cult of the Season or the tyranny for the pleasure of Christmas.” Happy holidays

Very clear about something which often seems obscure. Thanks.

🅱ost-🅱odernism

@bjarke7886

5 жыл бұрын

Kayla Klimas 🅱️etersons 🅱️oogiman

This was a real treat. Thanks 🙏

I'm in grad school and have heard academics (historians not philosophers or sociologist) refer to themselves as postmodernists, and criticize other older academics for not identifying as such. I'm not sure how to quantify how the term is always used, but its probably closer to 50/50 between those who identify as POMO and those who don't but approach their academic discipline from that perspective. Just a thought. Keep up the good work.

I enjoy listening to this while I draft. Thank you for doing this.

Good video, really clear explanations

Gimme More Dude! Very clear explanation!

Yoooo Todd May will be visiting my class to have a talk on postanarchism next week, hypeee

Hey, thanks for the video! I linked it for my undergrad philosophy class where we've been reading really vulgar accounts by analytical philosophers on the claims pomo allegedly makes. Do you consider making this or any other type of video on the Frankfurt school's Critical theory? I study in Germany where I get to read a lot of the originals but rarely hear about international or popular reception of it.

Great answers ! I'd like to know, what do you think of Spinoza's philosophy ? Knowing that he greatly influenced Deleuze and that there a lot of similarities between him and Nietzche (even though they're very different at other levels), I thought that you might find him interesting.

A lot of the problems, imho, come from the fact that there are three post-modernisms (which is itself a post-modernist kinda thing). There is the post-modernism of the philosophers. There is the post-modernism of the supporters of post-modernism. There is the post-modernism of the detractors of post-modernism. It's super important to understand the philosophers, as they crafted the actual arguments and ideas. However, it is the supporters of post-modernism that cause the ideology to act in the world. Therefore it is the supporters version that is, ultimately, most important. The detractors version is an attempt to mirror the supporters, and then claim that this mirror is exactly what the philosophers meant. So Jordan Peterson is crafting a version of post-modernism and then attributing it both to popular post-modernism followers and post-modern philosophers. My first interaction with post-modernism was in college. I was introduced to Sokol and the book "the science wars" in a philosophy of science class and was introduced to a number of post-modern sociologists in my sociology degree. I then accidentally took a conceptual art class (on writing) which is related to post-modernism. The problem that Sokol is calling out is that many of the sociologists who acted as post-modernists do have some absolutely crazy ideas similar to what Jordan Peterson calls out. My personal bugbear was the sociology reader (a selection of small articles) which came right out and said that some tribe's belief in reading entrails was equally valid to the western belief in object permanence and to claim otherwise is colonialist. I've read a number of the post-modern philosophers and, on the whole, they were on the money. But the problem is how these ideas are disseminated and implemented. I'm not sure how best to solve this.

omg i just came back from travelling and finally watched this, thanks for including me!!

@nospmohtracso

5 жыл бұрын

- just one follow up question, by 'the entropy of the universe' i wasn't just referring to the truism 'everything is made of atoms' but the narrative that everything in the universe is driven by a constant entropic breaking down of simplicity -> complexity - which i think would qualify as a grand-narrative, no? it is often used a framework for understanding history, culture, science, blah blah blah

Would also take a look at "Continental Philosophy: a Critical Approach" by W. R. Schroeder. Oversimplifies somewhat, but it's definitely worth reading if you're new to this stuff.

marble surf jumpscare. i knew you liked arty punk from the suicide (band, hope youtube doesnt zap me for that word) mentions and ferraro definitely makes sense as philosophically interesting, though obviously intentional vagueness is a large part of his aesthetic (which is very interesting with the topics he covers too), hadnt gotten around to this channel until someone linked the deleuze drum machine video which was an odd enough concept for me to check out, loving most of the more pure philosophical stuff (the more pop culture based ones are hit or miss for me, the kpop and hellraiser ones i found excellent, found the simpsons one a little repetitive and relying on obvious modern leftist citations but i expect it was made with a more general audience given its topic), here as a life long lover of abstraction, including pure math which obviously includes logic and godel and axiomatic systems and such which border on philosophical doctrine & of abstract art, related here being modern painting, poetry, and literature (though w my ferraro mention, i am a huge music fan over those at the moment), i'm familiar enough with a lot of philosophical concepts or at least mappings from my experience or manners of thought to get something out of the slightly denser videos here and... agh i'm rambling, but hey yeah enough to say that i am getting something out of these and appreciate the frankness in presentation and such

Awesome video man! Ever since your critics on Jorden Peterson, I began taking an interest more in learning Postmodernism, Post-structuralism, and Marxism a little more despite my disagreements with it. I especially as a fan of Nietzsche, enjoy finding that much of his work became an inspiration aside from Existential Nihilism. Speaking of Nietzsche, will you cover him on his philosophy considering much of his work has influence philosophy in the 20th century and today still?

@LewdConnoisseur

5 жыл бұрын

Nietzsche wasn't a nihilist. In fact the first chapter of The Will to Power is a critique on nihilist thought.

@jonasceikaCCK

5 жыл бұрын

I'd love to do a video on Nietzsche in the future. I'll just have to wait until I think of a unique way of applying him to some piece of pop culture, since he's been talked about so much by everyone already.

@amaimon1494

5 жыл бұрын

Gonzo Lewd Nietzsche was more concern about the state nihilism in which he was worried it would turn people to a passive state of being. Those who lose their creativity and self-denying of life which he calls the last man in Thus Spoke Zarathustra. On the other hand someone in the state of nihilism can become active and redefine their life and values to make a meaning for themselves which he calls the Übermensch. Nihilism is a way point stage.

@voltairinekropotkin5581

5 жыл бұрын

It's funny that Jordan Peterson claims to be influenced by Nietzsche. Because Foucault and Deleuze, two of the philosophers most commonly associated with his prime hatred, postmodernism, were themselves die-hard Nietzscheans.

@amaimon1494

5 жыл бұрын

Voltairine Kropotkin yeah it’s funny and kinda weird at the same time. If he took the time learning about it (or maybe he’s intentionally vilifying it and he knows exactly what Postmodernism is) he probably would find some aspects to that would help his ideas. Like when he talks about Carl Yung and Archetypes.

On topic of postmodernism and religion: I think the painter and occult writer Austin Osman Spare, who inspired chaos magic, was pretty postmodern and had the same idea about binaries as derrida. But I do not know if that guy is counted as postmodern.

What you are saying about "structuralism" and "post-structuralism" rings true with what I have found on my journey looking into neuroscience: either in terms of trying to understand and isolate the relevence of biological differences, and/or, in terms of the effect of the more abstract meanings you discuss in this video (for example "dreams" don't occur in isolation from the biological workings of our brain and body... ...or scientific bias relating to cultural meanings of such states as "anxiety" or "fear"). Also self-correcting markets/economies xP

Absolutely beautiful explanation.

When will the next video be posted?

@jonasceikaCCK

5 жыл бұрын

Not sure yet. Hopefully in the first half of december

For the question on postmodernism and religion, I would recommend anything by John D. Caputo, especially his book 'The Prayers and Tears of Jacques Derrida: Religion without Religion'.

You are so great, thank you!

@endofjourney665

5 жыл бұрын

@@thotslayer9914 no

@endofjourney665

5 жыл бұрын

@@thotslayer9914 fine, and how r u?

I see you with that James Ferraro Marble Surf clip

This was excellent, thank you! I’m still a beginner with PoMo/poststructuralism/etc, but I’d like to add a couple sources I found very useful for understanding these concepts/thinkers: first, I second the notion to listen to *Rick Roderick’s* lectures (I’d recommend all of them, not just the PoMo and Nietzsche lectures), second, the podcast *“Philosophize This!”* has spent the whole of 2018 working its way through structuralist, poststructuralist and PoMo thinkers and has been invaluable in helping me understand many key concepts/thinkers (I suggest listening to every single episode of 2018, in order, as they build off one another), and finally, I would highly recommend the *Nov. 16th RevLeft Radio podcast episode, “Post-Structuralism, Postmodernism, and...Metamodernism?”,* in which philosopher Austin Hayden Smidt joins Brett (RevLeft, The Guillotine) to talk about these topics and their intersection with leftist politics and Marxism (also, I recommend Austin’s podcast “Owls At Dawn”, an excellent philosophy podcast). Hopefully, this is helpful to someone. For me, these have all been excellent sources for getting my feet wet with these concepts, which I had previously avoided based on a perceived contradiction between leftist politics and PoMo. Granted, there is some contradiction, and I have found myself rejecting some PoMo/PoStruct concepts, but there’s a lot of insight to be found with many of these thinkers, even when you don’t agree with their conclusions, and I gotta say, I think leftists would do well to incorporate some of the ideas of PoMo into their theory, even if you’re still a Marxist at the end of the day... ❤️🏴♾

Hey, after watching this I might actually start to understand post modernism.

@bodbn

5 жыл бұрын

You are not supposed to understand Post Modernism. There is no one right way any interpretation is as good as any other. Clearly you do not understand Post Modernism is you think you understand it and missed the entire point of this analysis.

@lizucavictoria

5 жыл бұрын

@@bodbn lol, you're right I guess, it's my fault for making a comment before watching the video :(

@tomasbeltran04050

3 жыл бұрын

@@bodbn There is a right way an interpretation is good. The thing is that we can't know it.

Thank you for making these videos which correctly explain what the philosophical positions. There is just too much misrepresentation of ideas in popular culture.

How do modern linguists tend to feel about concepts from structuralism and post structuralism? I’ve been skimming the Wikipedia page on linguistics, but am having a little trouble getting a clear read on it. It mentions that generativists consider Saussure to have been refuted by Chomsky, but it doesn’t exactly mention what the points of contention were or how they were refuted, and then everything after that seems to mostly be about different schools of thought arguing over whether or not there is an innate universal grammar and what the best ways to represent syntax in a formalized way are, which seems to almost be an entirely different project all together from the structuralists and post structuralists rather than something running counter to them.

14:47 What did he / do you mean by "criteria of content"?

I noticed that rare James Ferraro sample. Nice!

Rick Roderick also has a lecture series on “Philosophy and Human Values”, which is also available on KZread. It was the first lecture series he gave for The Teaching Company. So in total there are three popular lecture series: see rickroderick.org/.

But.... but... does that mean JBP has sold as all a lie? :O

@jonasceikaCCK

5 жыл бұрын

Well, either that or he's massively misinformed on this topic and is suffering from severe dunning-kruger effect

@oaxacachaka

5 жыл бұрын

Not exactly. JBP is talking about a specific movement which has taken post modern ideas, dumbed them down, and put them in a social justice framework.

@vaultsjan

5 жыл бұрын

@@oaxacachakaDidnt Derrida talk about the need to have some kind of central narrative to bind groups together? Example language, nation, religion

@oaxacachaka

5 жыл бұрын

vaultsjan I can’t say I’ve memorized everything he said but is there a specific point you are getting at?

@vaultsjan

5 жыл бұрын

@@oaxacachaka While criticizing Derrida, JBP (with his need for meta-narratives) seems somewhat similar to Derrida to me. I must say Derrida is over my reach so i could be wrong.

Good stuff, very helpful video.

Hi, can you explain in a later video what is the difference between “There is nothing outside the text.” and “There is no outside-text.”, as I think the first one is a mistranslation? Thanks.

This is amazing! Thank you!

I love this. I dont know why but I'm obsessed with these post modern ideas.

@bodbn

5 жыл бұрын

good for you little man. Post Modernism will help you immensely sit in your bedroom and not do anything with your life. if anything postmodernism is environmentally friendly as it reduces people's carbon foot print.

How do Ya resolve the contradiction's between Dialectical Materialism & post-modernismm

@tomasbeltran04050

3 жыл бұрын

You don't resolve contradictions. Make sure they are, though.

So satisfied with your lecture

Sometimes I forget how important Lyotard is. Need to pick up Libidinal Economy one of these days

17:08 I nearly had a heart attack!

Great video, this certainly seems like a good way of introducing people to postmodernism and clearing up misconceptions about it. Unfortunately I don't feel like all my questions were answered but I hope that they will be in the next parts. Lastly I must point out that I think that the distinction between ethics and morality is nonsense, but I suppose that this is an issue I have with those postmodernists who make this distiction rather than this video in particular.

What about Lacan? Wasn't he a postmodernist as well or at least powerfully influential? Didn't several of the post modernists attend his lectures before they had fully formulated their theories? Thanks again for your suberb scholarship and nuanced commentary.

Can you delve into the cultural/entertainment impacts of postmodernism? Such as in major post-modern fiction (Gravity’s Rainbow by Thomas Pynchon, Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace, or White Noise)

@jonasceikaCCK

5 жыл бұрын

I will talk about the culture part of things in part 3

Brilliant video! I am going to enjoy all of your postmodernism videos with a notebook later tonight. They will be really useful for my methodology chapter. ...anyone into existentialcomics? Since I read those, I cannot for the life of me imagine Derrida without a power armour.

@moch.farisdzulfiqar6123

5 жыл бұрын

Me too 😁 It's suit him well tho

RIP Rick

@nikolademitri731

5 жыл бұрын

The Modern Hermeticist RIP indeed... His lectures were what turned me on to wanting to explore PoMo; I love all of his lectures, really. I recently downloaded a .pdf of a book he wrote on Habermas in the late 80s, who I believe he did his dissertation on. I’m definitely excited to dig into that, bc I’ve watched his lectures so many times, and need more Rick! ✌🏼

@bramsanjanssan4908

5 жыл бұрын

About 10 years ago I used to listen to TTC lectures and made a t-shirt that read: RIP Rick Roderick.

Hi there, I'm writing this comment as a sort of bread crumb for those following a similar path to mine. My first introduction to post-modernism was through Jordan Peterson, and I largely spent the next year believing what he had to say about it and assumed that it was a correct summary. Over time however, I began to poke holes in his theory because the inconsistencies and the rabid nature of his quick rise began to set alarm bells off in my head, I hate cultish behaviour. After completely extricating myself from the Peterson worldview which more properly is Jungian worldview, I began to see his limits as perhaps a useful clinical psychologist for his patients but his extension and understanding of philosophy, economics, and science in general is largely invalid. Since this time I have begun to invest what little free time I have learning what post-modernism really is, but also trying to understand the intellectual origins of claims like the one's you have show tounge in cheek "the while phallo logism influences white sciece" etc. because these are used by real people in all seriousness. I am not a White Man, but I find the continuous reference to white male privilege in every situation even when it is unwarranted odd. Anyway I want to thank you for making these videos, as they will help me continue my journey.

I like your videos a lot. Thank you.

Lecture on Davidson and Rorty please

Please do a video about Nietzsche and his relation to postmodernism

I love your french! It sounds so... natural

At 11:27 there was a brief statement that seemed to equate the ideas that all meta narratives are about power and all matter is made of atoms as being on equal footing. It was very brief so maybe I'm misunderstanding and maybe it was indirectly elaborated on in another part of the video, but these two things don't seem to carry the same evidentiary and predictive weight to me. Am I missing something or is there an actual false equivalency going on here?

@jonasceikaCCK

5 жыл бұрын

Those were simply 2 examples of claims that are intended to be universal (everything is power / everything is composed of atoms) while not being metanarratives, I wasn't comparing their validity

Sonic Adventure 2 is indeed a great source of study for the deconstruction philosophy.

Thanks so much for clearing up the massive misunderstandings that most people have about Postmodern philosophy. Keep up the great work!

@bodbn

5 жыл бұрын

Most people aren't even aware of what post-modernism is it's a very small niche philosophy

What is your critique of postmodernists / poststructualists? Where are postmodern biases, is there lacking something of importance and with which views / theories postmodern philosophy can be supplemented?

I think William James’ pragmatist approach to religions that he spells out in “Varieties of Religious Experience” would serve postmodernists well in an analysis of religion

oh and isn't it funny how the right has just caught up with theories that are literally 40 years old and now we have to respond as if it was brand new information... hey kids, have you heard about that hip new thing called poststructuralism? i mean if it wasn't for Zizek, Jordan Peterson would literally argue only with dead philosophers. (not a critique of you making that video... just think it's interesting to see how incredibly long it takes for some theories to become widely known)

@oaxacachaka

5 жыл бұрын

Albert Sirup, that’s kind of a ridiculous statement. Peterson is arguing with people who still entertain dumbed down versions of post modernism and have used it to back their simplistic political views. He just attacks their readings of their sources.

@AlbertSirup

5 жыл бұрын

@@oaxacachaka But he makes it appear as if he is directly referring to the theories of people like Foucault instead of just arguing with people who misread Foucault. For him "postmodern neomarxism" is synonymous with poststructuralism (plus additional, explicitely marxist theorists like Marcuse who he puts under the same label, despite the radical differences between a postructuralist and a Frankfurt School / critical theory approach). Please guide me to a lecture where Peterson is actually defending Foucault or Marcuse or Derrida against those people who misunderstand them? Or just a lecture where he is actually engaging with the theory of poststructuralism without linking it to the projected downfall of western rationalism?

@oaxacachaka

5 жыл бұрын

Albert Sirup I’m not sure there are “misreadings” except in relation to other readings. It could be that Peterson has the same way of reading them as the people he is arguing against. I don’t really like that he lumps post modernists in with the Frankfurt school. As Chuck Philosophy says, post modernists are all over the place . Even the Frankfurt school members differ on certain points. Really Peterson seems to take issues with how modern Marxism is expressing itself. He should just call it that. But these “neoMarxists” will use Foucualt’s concept of normative behavior and the types of social pressure used to enforce it to then make the conclusion that norms are solely oppressive by nature. This is then labeled as “bad” and something that must be overthrown. At this point things have shifted into a Marxist narrative. So that’s what Peterson is arguing against. It is a train of logic that starts with Foucault and then ends in a kind of Marxian dialectic. I don’t think Foucault made any really hard claims about overthrowing all power structures leading to some progressive Utopia as is apparently advocated by modern leftists. I think he was more on the lines of “this is how it is and it kind of sucks”.

@jblue1622

5 жыл бұрын

Albert Sirup when have Zizek and Peterson responded to each other??

@AlbertSirup

5 жыл бұрын

@@jblue1622 they haven't met in person (as far as i know) but they have both responded to arguments of the other... but i guess it was more zizek criticizing peterson than the other way around.

*DIS GON B GUD*

The deep connection with structural linguistics is interesting. Are there many philosophers who have tried rooting their thought in more current linguistics, computational linguistics, or perhaps even theory of computation. Especially interesting would be approaching philosophy from something more akin to a PAC framework instead of the Gold paradigm of learnability. Yeah, Dennett pops to mind, but anyone else? Especially anyone who philosophers of the sort who would mention Derrida repeatedly might actually listen to?

@mitjellk2186

5 жыл бұрын

Wittgenstein, Frege, Kripke

Appreciate the timestamps

"This is going to be a three part series . . ." Fuck yes.

Just wandering on KZread and see this update. Never click this fast.

23:24 Daoism reminds me a bit of Post-Structuralism, I would say the Daodejing contains a lot of deconstruction of language

How about a distinction between the bad argumentation propelled by laymen Phil 101 conceptions of postmodernism and the larger framing of postmodernist thought. Need a label for that. Because there is some truth to criticisms regarding the abuse of postmodernist thought in broad society or colloquial discussions (whether it is recognized in this criticism as a kind of abusive half-assed implementation of postmodernist framing or not).

3:00 And a similar case could be made against the use of the term "string theorist" in physics, too, which has become somewhat of its own variegated postmodern community, in which the modern standard of direct experimental evidence-sometimes even conceptual falsifiability-are set aside as second-rate constraints on the awesomeness of high abstrusification. For those situated on the inside, string theorists come in every flavour of ice cream; for those on the outside, barely a single flavour can be reliably distinguished without four to eight years of arduous study. Those on the outside therefore end up lumping all the string theorists together out of pure self-defense.

Did the structuralists address the claim that the signifier sometimes has a similarity to the signified? Signs used in some alphabets are derived from small drawings of the objects. There are words that are onomathopeic, i. e. they make a similar sound to the object ('the lion *roared*'). This undermines the notion that the sign is completely arbitrary.