>"new" operating system >look inside >Linux

@Sebastian-bo7vj

Ай бұрын

Android Looks inside Linux

@thelateweeb2799

Ай бұрын

Why even make a new kernel when Linux is already great

@stefanengler772

Ай бұрын

@@thelateweeb2799 It's old and the core is bad in some senses. Windows NT main kernel: 90th, Linux core kernel 90th and MacOS core kernel 80th. It's time for a high level maintainable rewrite of a OS to go away from C for the core function to a more secure higher level language for the core functions. Windows NT, Linux and Unix aren't written with GUI in mind and old very old. There are more new security models in the the cpu which could be used at low level of the kernel. It's old, old coding style and there aren't poeple who know to maintain it forever. In Windows and Linux many core API functions are direct value or pointer functions and not the more modern pointer to pointer functions and not all classes in Windows use IUnknown for the start.

@walksanator

Ай бұрын

Why do you think linux is integrating rust

@mgord9518

Ай бұрын

​​@@stefanengler772What exactly are you trying to say here? The kernel has nothing to do with GUI, nor does it have to do with APIs. And writing a kernel in a high level language is a fucking awful idea, kernels are inherently low-level, it's the entire point of them existing. The kernel is meant to manage hardware, memory, processes, etc. How do you accomplish that when the language is trying to manage things for you?

Will it become the new meta?

@hunterbertoson156

Ай бұрын

Underrated comment.

@DeSpaceFairy

Ай бұрын

Take my like and get out.

@crazechill1

Ай бұрын

DataStealerOS

@cepheus3d

Ай бұрын

I think it's on the horizon!

@Emayeah

Ай бұрын

@@cepheus3d fun fact: if you asked someone what horizon os is a few months ago people will respond with the nintendo switch os. this is probably gonna make some confusion (yes the switch os is named horizon, i'm serious)

You mean the new backdoor.

@charlesdoesmore5488

Ай бұрын

Nope. Do you wanna build another android-based VR platform?

"Opening" up Horizon OS to other devs is the attempt of Meta monopolising VR-software (which is just an Android fork). Just like Google monopolised Android, by forcing people to have Play Services and proprietary Google APIs including SafetyNet/Play Integrity, which makes using AOSP Custom ROMs hardly bearable.

@purplemossclump5505

Ай бұрын

This. I'm EXTREMELY skeptical.

@4Bakers

Ай бұрын

it's such a coincidence that they did this right ahead of Google doing their own XR platform, hmmmm

@kameronb9934

Ай бұрын

Dude they litteraly allowed other stores unlike Google and apple

@Trahloc

Күн бұрын

@@4Bakers and google will graveyard the project in a few years like they have so many others. Google has the worst reputation on follow through. I'm constantly waiting for gmail to be shuttered.

this dude is genuinely grateful, happy and excited for an operating system designed by a guy who has a long history with privacy and surveillance cases .... what a world we live in

Valve has been working on a number of VR related changes in preparation for their next VR headset, they just haven't talked about it much so you only hear about it through sources like SadlyItsBradley

Data collecting will be galore!

Chill Zuck, the new Era? Way better then the Lizard Zuck we're used to.

@themangastand8475

Ай бұрын

Lizards just got better at acting, almost scary how you can barley see the green screen hiding the tail

@finfirun

Ай бұрын

He finally got enough money to pay people to help him look more human.

Knowing Meta, it’s likely to have more integrated spyware than windows.

SpyonMeOS?

@nonenothingnull

Ай бұрын

As opposed to micro soft and bsd rebranded.... yeaa...

@aqua-bery

Ай бұрын

​@@nonenothingnullwdym bsd rebranded?

@SimGunther

Ай бұрын

​@@aqua-bery It's Mac OS X, which is a mod of FreeBSD called XNU

@SimGunther

Ай бұрын

​@@aqua-beryXNU, which is used in Mac OS X

@nonenothingnull

Ай бұрын

@@aqua-bery macos is bsd stolen and rebranded

"Linux desktop never happened" - I'm on linux desktop since 2004

@braelinmichelus

Ай бұрын

"We are small but we are many" "We are many, we are small" "We were here before you rose" "We will be here when you fall"

@yewo.m

Ай бұрын

He said "the year of the Linux desktop". It's a specific term used to refer to years where people hope Linux would grow in popularity among the common masses It's almost kinda like "fusion energy is just 10 years away"

@jhonyhndoea

Ай бұрын

@@yewo.m sure. I think it's sarcasm also. Everything is running linux now. Android, ChromeOS, all Servers and even Windows is running linux. So unlike fusion entergy, we have been in the Linux era all along, they don't ask money for the linux kernel so people don't notice when they use it.

@635574

Ай бұрын

Nobody actually sells computers with linux. Its always windows or literaly nothing. SteamDeck is the only excetion

@dmtree__

Ай бұрын

There are dozens of you. Dozens!

If Meta make it, I'm not even going to watch a video about it, let alone buy it.

"or even google play if they're up for it" nawh marketing team must've told zuck to specially mention that part

headcrabOS - Dr. Breen approves

I don't trust Meta

@themangastand8475

Ай бұрын

You shouldn't trust any of the tech companies, not just meta

@tubeyou6794

Ай бұрын

especially Meta

@supriyomonndal6199

Ай бұрын

Idk when it comes to the developer type of things I really trust Mera.

@Me__Myself__and__I

Ай бұрын

Agree. Wish this was virtually any other company. I try to avoid all things Meta.

@lcyVR

Ай бұрын

As someone who uses oculus (meta) vr headsets I still don’t trust meta

now we can sell data on your eyes

Operating systems are always interesting but not necessarily better

Gotta love that the first sentence of their announcement unintentionally mentions the Vision.

One of my friends used to work at Onward before it got shut down. Meta actually ended up aquiring Onward for a few years and it gave them the ability to finally pay the staff well. The team got cut during the mass layoffs if I remember correctly.

Love tech, love information, subscribed keep it up man

Appreciated your retorts to carmack

Next year is the year of the Linux desktop

@4Bakers

Ай бұрын

with the moves VALVE is making for Linux software support, yea that's a possibility

@haroldcruz8550

Ай бұрын

People are too lazy for that to be a possiblity. They'd rather give away their private data free of charge than bother with basic knowledge of computers and softwares.

it’s a fresh perspective

Is it open in the same way that traditional OS’ are or we about to see the next App Store where it’s our way (and cut) or the highway?

@vxer

Ай бұрын

It's Facebook what do you think?

@Kane0123

Ай бұрын

I think they are a social media company like google is a search engine.

@cyangalaxy

Ай бұрын

I'm thinking the same. You can install .apk's on Quest (which uses Android), I don't think they'll disable sideloading, however I do think they want to do what Google does with the Play Store on phones. What bothers me about Android (on phones) is that you need proprietary Play Services. People say "Oh Android is open source", but only AOSP part is. Most apps utilise closed source Google Play APIs and call Play Integrity API (banking apps, Netflix, McDonalds-app, etc.), which disallows Unlocked Bootloaders + the use of Custom ROMs.

@Larathu

Ай бұрын

Since you can already install and run Sidequest (3rd party appstore) on Horizon OS i would say it stay's open, though they are opening up the quest store by merging it with Applab and reducing restrictions on what is allowed on it. So they are getting more competitive. As for why they are opening the OS up its simple, they have market share and app library now and can use it to sell the OS to others, if they wait until samsung releases their upcoming headset with Android XR on it, they will probably be to late since Android XR will have the Play store for 2D apps and the VR apps can be ported over with some work and incentives and Android XR will be open (and is probably the reason Google has so far refused to allow the play store on Quest even with Meta asking them)

@amazin7006

Ай бұрын

I think it will be closer to Google's app store than Apple's. Zuck has already said he wants to make the "open" software, so sideloading, custom roms, and other modifications should still be possible.

Oh no Mark's doing the small microphone thing

The question for me is... does support system wide vim mode?

Is the Horizon OS free software without licenses or permissions now, I could not find any info

now we need graphene for vr

I am impressed that the cheapest Meta goggles are only $200, but the biggest downside is the lack of rechargeable batteries. I think I would rather wait for Nintendo's new console released for their 40th anniversary next year.

So... it is based on Android. Android is based on Linux. Linux is under the GPL. Do you think they could have close-sourced it? While I do like that they push it... isn't it just a marketing move for something that had to happen anyway due to licensing? It kinda feels weird that you're advocating Android here but not in the smartphone ecosystem, although all the same (or most) arguments you make would apply. Also Meta bought the company behind Beat Saber, so when you played it on Steam, it prolly wasn't owned by Meta yet.

@finfirun

Ай бұрын

The kernel is gpl, yes. Also GNU/Linux. But everything you build on it can be closed source. No problem there.

@PaezRice

Ай бұрын

@@finfirun Android is not GNU/Linux as far as I know. And yes, of course you can build proprietary stuff on top. But the „news“ here seems to be, that they „open up“ the OS itself - which is still a MUST if being built on Linux.

@PaezRice

Ай бұрын

@@AnonymousGentooman i agree 100% with everything you mentioned. And that’s why „Meta opening up Horizon OS“ is probably no big news and especially not as generous as Theo makes it out to be, since they would have to do that anyway.

@finfirun

Ай бұрын

@@PaezRice Yes, I know. It was just an example. They are using android as it was intended. It's a good thing they build on it, instead of creating another incompatible OS.

@finfirun

Ай бұрын

Also they could release everything without their own software and sell their part.

Sounds really good, but you I think could also see it in a different way; they would have total control, if every company uses their OS, or not?

i don't know but i have faith in this project, just take a look at what they've done with meta quest, it keeps getting better and better

God, this is the fifth OS named Horizon OS

Theo, the face on the thumbnails is killing me 😅 The title says something important, but the thumbnail says I'm gonna get Rick Rolled by Mr. Beast

Calling it a new OS is kinda silly, the Operation System is linux or Android. They just added a new distribution to the already crowded linux world.

@Melvin420x12

Ай бұрын

It's as silly as calling Linux and MacOS different OSs though...

@somenameidk5278

4 күн бұрын

@@Melvin420x12 they are actually different implementations down to the kernel though, they are both based on AT&T UNIX but they don't have any actual code in common.

Dont trust Meta for anything generally. But this does seem exciting. I trust ANY product Carmack has to do with.

I think Meta is tanking. They can’t afford a mic stand.

Zuck grew up, and iam proud.

Isn't it another fork of Android?

@_____case

Ай бұрын

Yes.

@user-cy6vg4ju6v

Ай бұрын

Yes, it's android, it's like saying samsungs' one UI is an OS, or xiaomi MUI, it's just a fork, with it's own app store, with some tweaks for VR

@_____case

Ай бұрын

@@user-cy6vg4ju6v I think Amazon's Fire OS is a better comparison. Most people don't think of that as Android, but it is.

@Sebastian-bo7vj

Ай бұрын

Android is also just linux

@raidev_

Ай бұрын

yes, but with it's own ecosystem and ui

Wow

Really hoping this os will not be tied down to meta as much as any Apple os is tied to Apple. I would love to see companies add in their own little features and developers or us open source folk being able to enjoy custom spins without being connected to meta. Kinda like how android is now. Also, deep down, I am hoping for valve to release their next gen vr headset. I think it is pretty clear it is happening, and they also seem to be making meaningful improvements to steam vr on linux. I would much rather see a world where valve's steamos is the defacto platform for both gaming and vr.

I bet Amazon is going to get involved and make a super cheap set of goggles and sell it at a loss just to get on more faces. They already did that with their version of Android tablets.

Wonder what the HAL layer looks like for this?

0:40 Ackthually 2024 IS the year of the linux desktop 🤓

the think with valve is that they don't usually announce things unless they had been working on it and/or had something to actually show, one day seems like they don't give a f about it, the next day they just drop trailers and release things it a week later or some so yea, hard to tell

The problem with Android (and also one discutable advantage) is that the apps are for all intents and purposes Java based (unless they need lower level hardware access) this enabled phones line the ZenPhone 2 x86-64 based (Atom, same cpu as the Atomic PI for that matter) to run most Android apps at the time (as long as they did not need low level stuff) which were originally, and are nowadays, ARM target apps. This though is also a curse due to its negative impact on performance.

DarkViper

this is really cool, i still dont trust meta as for any corp, but this does a lot of good it is worth giving credit, also hate it when people criticize zuck for being "weird" because that's just ableism, not punching only up.

Its pretty obvious that they want to create the Android of the VR world and I think they're in a pretty good situation to do so.

This guys thumbnails scared me away from his videos but i finally tried watching it and he is surprisingly chill? smh

isn't OpenXR that vr multiplatform software basis?

@AngryApple

Ай бұрын

no not really is just OpenGL but for XR related input systems like hand tracking, 3dof/6dof head tracking and so on. Its a garbeled mess in theory it was nice but its still relies on way to many addons to even work and this again makes developing more work

An OS with a lot of annoying ads, actively tracking users activity. - For sure haha

I feel like the revenue of meta/facebook vs valve especially years ago isn't fair.

Can not trust the new os unless they open source it

I can image putting on a vr headset and playing as if im looking from the character POV , without having to do the whole running and jumping nonsense

If this isn't another Android-based OS, and it is in fact their own OS, they should really add support for a wide range of customizations so users can personalize their headset.

This made me realize: I haven't tried out VR in Linux using my WMR headset and controllers yet

@cyangalaxy

Ай бұрын

Speaking of Linux,.. my Meta Quest headset does not work on Linux, because the software is Win-only :) You know which headsets do work on Linux? Valve :) because ofc they f*cking do. And if you ask me, "opening" up Horizon OS to other devs is the attempt of Meta monopolising the software (which is just an Android fork). Just like Google monopolised Android sorta, by forcing people to have to have Play Services and proprietary Google APIs including SafetyNet/Play Integrity, which makes using AOSP Custom ROMs hardly bearable.

@specialfred453

Ай бұрын

@@cyangalaxy Your username just reminded me. I miss cyanogenmod

@cyangalaxy

Ай бұрын

@@specialfred453 So do I, my friend

@Sebastian-bo7vj

Ай бұрын

​​@@cyangalaxyyou might be able to use bottles to run the meta app, or just create a efficient VM of windows 10 to run only VR. ( I haven't tried yet so... idk ) it's worth a shot though

I think part of the issue right now is with the current state of the VR headsets, the cost is not justified. However, moving forward, these devices have the potential of providing incredible capabilities. When that happens $1000-$2000 cost just like high-end phones have today will no longer be unreasonable. I don’t think a sub $1000 price for a good VR/AR headset is sustainable for the long-term

Carmack is a genius dev; but I think opening the platform will prove best; best for whom, we'll see.

this is vr/ar/xr android moment

They spent billions on this technology but it's worth EVERY cent!

If I get all my favorite tools in one OS, no matter how terrible the OS is, i'll still use that OS just for the sake of having good tools. I rarely remember which OS I'm on these days, I hoped all Linuxes after leaving Windows and I figured out that I doesn't even matter what OS you're on.

All Meta wants is your data that they can sell.

when did meta and zuck become the good guys? Remember Cambridge Analitica?

Wow now I can use a VR brand I trust and still get spied on. Thanks -Facebook- Meta 💀

I can't wait to see a future where Steam comes out on Android and Horizion OS, there would be an entire Linux Based Gamaing ecosystem and you should even be able to play Windows game on it, how ironic, thanks to proton and a comaptiblity layer to play on ARM devices. We would only keep the gaem from windows lol.

@haroldcruz8550

Ай бұрын

We can only hope. Windows is only going to get f*up their customers more and more. "I know you're going to hate this but here let us put ads on your start button" - Microsoft.

16:07 the lack of a this sort of program was what doomed the Windows Phone

So, Linux 2.x kernel with proprietary other bits (a couple of non important bits open source).

people praise new Ubuntu and i completely migrated on Linux because all Ai development are made and easier on Linux

Now Meta should release React VR

I'm digging this channel. Subscribed.

I'm having a hard time looking at someone like zuck who had such a malignant effect on the global society with an open mind.

Isn’t Horizon OS the name of the OS on the Nintendo Switch?

Better meta than apple if it is an actually open eco system maybe I'll end up using it one day

Zuck puts his money where his mouth is, respect.

It's LINUX. It's just linux. This will probably just mean eventually more software will be compatible with Linux over time. From wiki: Kernel type Monolithic (Linux kernel) License Proprietary software with open-source components Apache License 2.0 for Android userspace software GNU GPL v2 for the Linux kernel modifications

31:32 living in denial

VR is going to be like 3D TV in the early 2010s. It seems cool but no one is seriously going to use it.

@cooltrashgamer

Ай бұрын

100% disagree, once they get the weight down it’s going to change the world again. If you’ve tested a headset like the high end varjo ones, you can’t help but be blown away. Media will be different, watching sports, playing games, scenery in general, new kinds of apps where you interact with things spatially, I could even see weird code visualizers that are a 3d thing that you interact with to see code paths. Also imagine a completely realistic setting where you’re sitting in your living room and it looks like Theo is really there talking to you vs watching videos like this that feel way more impersonal

@VivekYadav-ds8oz

Ай бұрын

Agree with the guy above. 3D TV was more of a gimmick than a serious tech. It only had one possible usecase - 3D movies, and people weren't interseted in that.

@themangastand8475

Ай бұрын

People have been using VR for a decade lol. Got my first VR device in 2016 and it's been a regular gaming device

@TurtleKwitty

Ай бұрын

Can't wait to see 3d movies brought to VR that'll be a funny turn of the tables

Nowadays, the OS doesn't really matter, the compatible tools are what do matter.

I just don't trust anything that comes out of Meta until we see that source code. End of story. I'll die on this hill, clutching my HTC headset and knuckle controllers.

Carmack is so wrong it should be painful. The cost of the hardware DOES NOT MATTER until there is a 'killer app" or a large quantity of good software to attract a large number of customers. Until lots of people have a good reason to buy into something prices will never go down, before then its all early adopters who are willing to pay premium prices for the experience. Likewise, until there are many potential customers software devs aren't incentivized put invest considerable time, effort or money into making software for a platform. But in the end its always the software that drives sales, the hardware is just what you need to use the software. So anything that promotes more and better software will increase the size of the market which always eventually drives down hardware costs.

There's no real reason for another operating system to exist. You can't iterate on the perfection of unix-like and I get the feeling even NT knows that by now.

Every video I watch I see more and more that Theo is a really big apple fanboy, but also to that point I will say that just because at apple stability isn't better than windows, doesn't mean that's always the case or that the openness of the software is the variable that changed the stability, I mean you could see how if apple was more open it could be more stable but apple could also just have an unstable OS and it'd be unstable no matter what and it being closed source made it even more stable, these aren't really things that you can just compare at face value since the two examples are so different and there's so much going on.

11:30 no, this is a terrible comparison. The open model worked well on pc because the manufacturers were largely agnostic to what OS and what you did on your system. The closed model worked for apple because they locked the bootloaders and actively prevented side loading.

Meta, with their rich history of spying and collecting data?! No way even to look at the OS.

Why the hell is Zucc doing the "hold the microphone" youtuber thing? He's a CEO of a multi billion dollar company, not Gabi Belle, for crying out loud.

This guy looks like the Joaquin Phoenix in "Her" lol

Meta have fedora that they give to someone forever

what is sounds like is that meta is not interested in the profit of the hardware and is looking to the software for their income. Offloading the hardware to a competitive space would drive the price down making it more affordable to the general consumer. More consumers to buy Meta software.

I personally would have hoped that they would have open sourced it, or maybe go the way of steam deck and used Linux as a base. If you make the base software free it and provide wide game compatibility (the steam deck has been expanding game compatibility to Linux) it makes it far more appealing to jump the windows ship when windows pulls stupid shit like adding ads to the os.

This is like Nintendo creating an OS for all consoles 😂

And all just to harvest more personal data

People hate facebook but developers know facebook is great, and i think its because zuck himself used to code, so theres a level of respect they give to the community and the products they release for devs

MetaDoorOS

Zuck is based, that's all there's to it. Like him or not, social media are net negative for the world, but them opening their ecosystem, especially ML stuff, is great.

now get targeted ads based on your micro-expressions, hurray for advertisers!

I'm game for new OS. It will likely be Linux based so all us linux folk will be able to jump right in and test/experiment.

talk about openharmony please. it is actually not based on linux and entirely is its own thing.

I’m just going to throw out a guess here - and I haven’t started the video yet - but based on what we know about breaking into the OS market share for a platform with a leader: the target market for Meta’s OS is “poor people” You don’t break into a market and steal all the affluent customers.

@DavidConnerCodeaholic

Ай бұрын

The “social layer is NOT made to bridge multiple platforms.” It will just be enshittification. Why? To fund anything related to VR, Facebook has to recoup a deficit by sucking money from other sources. It’s why they never really did anything with Oculus other than buy it to prevent the development of a platform where it’s difficult to gatekeep and censor people (VR interactions are tough to index and tough to monetize) One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them

The year of the Linux is literally happening right now. With Wayland stabilizing, NVK coming, KDE 6, Gnome 46, Cosmic DE, Steam and proton working, and the doubling of Linux desktop market share, it's hard not to think Linux is going to grow as a massive contender.

@cepheus3d

Ай бұрын

I like Linux, but I hope they close it up a tiny bit. For most users, the amount of distros and the culture in the community needs to change for mass adoption to happen.

@mgord9518

Ай бұрын

​@@cepheus3dLinux isn't some single OS managed by some single company, it's whatever people want it to be. Saying we "need less distros" is like saying "we need less types of cars" or "we need less clothes styles". Linux is open, part of being open means that people will customize it and distribute it as their own project, that's what a distro is. So no, there shouldn't be less distros, people should just understand that choosing a Linux distro is nothing but preference, like picking out a shirt.