Unless I'm mistaken, the "history never forgets" speech is the only time Picard uses a Shatner pause for dramatic effect. At the very least, it's the most memorable.

Wesley still being on the bridge makes sense to me: in a war setting, you need soldiers to fill the ranks. Wesley may have been drafted.

@TALCOLMINTHEMIDDLE

6 ай бұрын

They had cadet Nog on the bridge of the Defiant, so it seems to be Federation policy in any timeline

@Cailus3542

6 ай бұрын

Given that the Federation was on the verge of defeat, that makes even more sense. The alternate Enterprise is also very crowded, suggesting that it has many more crew than the normal Enterprise.

@Jalu3

6 ай бұрын

​Having plenty of crew is helpful when conducting damage control, as well as filling billets at General Quarters, and yes being able to backfill necessary positions if your fellow crewmembers die. No minimal/optimal staffing.

@zephyr8072

6 ай бұрын

Traveler: "Wesley is such a genius, you have no idea. He's like super Mozart x20. No really." Picard: "Yeah yeah yeah. Crusher, put this uniform on and warm that seat. Don't mind the scorch marks, there was no exploding console that fried the last guy to sit there don't be silly."

@kevinkeeney9418

6 ай бұрын

Which also explains why he's already a commissioned officer.

Your jokes of Worf and Honor inspired me years ago to talk like that in regards to my cat. His name was Kisse, which means Kitty in English. A Warrior's Name! x3 He was a true warrior though, even had a scar on his ear and was an inspiration to the younger cat and even taught the dogs how to be. A true warrior cat! Lived to 21-22 years old. I like this episode a lot because I like Tasha Yar, and I always hated how pointlessly she gets killed off and no one barely bats an eye at her loss. Here, she gets the recognition deserved. And the Ambassador class is real nice!

@boobah5643

6 ай бұрын

It's rather a shame that they apparently broke/lost/destroyed the _Ambassador_ model without getting to use it again. There's also a kind of odd implication that Starfleet went a decade or two without an _Enterprise_ in commission, since _C_ was destroyed back when Worf was a little tyke and _D_ was brand spanking new for "Encounter at Farpoint."

@strategicsage7694

4 ай бұрын

I don't get the nobody bats an eye assertion here. That's ... not at all what happened, they made a rather big deal out of it. I find it hard to blame TNG, since it happened because the actress wanted to leave the show.

Star Trek Online has it that in this timeline, the Klingons enjoyed a few years of being at the top before being ROFLstomped into fine powder by the Dominion. Which is just... so appropriate.

Yep this is it my favorite TNG episode. Definitely one of those I wouldve loved to watch on initial broadcast given how this is retrospectively seen as the major turning point for TNG becoming the great show that it is.

@L33Reacts

6 ай бұрын

I bet watching this on first run syndication was revolutionary for our fellow ST nerds of the 90s.

@digitaljanus

6 ай бұрын

I'm one of those. Even in a season full of banger episodes that ends in one of the greatest cliffhanger season finales in TV history, this was a standout.

Fun fact to know and tell. Captain Garrett returns to play a few roles on Trek such as the female Klingon scientist in Crusher's "Suspicions"

This episode has always been the peak of what made TNG such an amazing series to me. Everyone is supremely in character, there is sadness and strength and hope, and a story that could've been utterly ridiculous is instead pitch-perfect and leads to some wonderful future episodes.

A detail I never miss is that Picard's motivational speech is delivered in a very routine tone. Patrick Stewart is a master of delivering a dramatic speech, but here he delivered a dramatic speech while playing a character who's had to say those kinds of things too often, and knows too well that he's just building up the crew so he can take them into death and destruction. His simple orders in the wake of proper reality's return had more life and promise to them than his alternate history self's inspiring speech.

@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812

6 ай бұрын

Patrick Stewart would have made a great Doctor Who

@zephyr8072

6 ай бұрын

@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 With Ian McKellen as the Master.

@ShadowWingTronix

5 ай бұрын

@@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812 I've always wanted to see Kate Mulgrew as The Rani.

This was one of the first TNG episodes I recall watching as a kid. It made a huge impact on me and it still hits home. Love how you can always seem to find new nuances: never realized the Enterprise-D fighting the Klingons mirrors the mission of the Enterprise-C.

The one notable comment missed is Geordi’s last scene where he is still wearing the alternate timeline uniform.

“Golden State Warriors, a basketball team of honor.”-Worf

This episode was awesome. It is of course a pity that this was Tasha's only appearance in the "Not Suck" era of TNG.

This is one of my favorite Star Trek episodes of any series. Fantastic breakdown, Chuck.

Funny fact about this one, is that it was the last episode before xmas season... Nobody had any good scripts, so as SFDebris said, they took w/e they had in the closed, mixed it all together while redoing the seasoning on top and it turned out delicious. It came from being exactly in the perfect situation at the proper time (everyone already in "vacation mode" with enough leftover ideas to cook something awesome). Enterprise-C is one of my favorite looking ships. I'd really want to see more of it, including the interior.

One of my all-time favorites from TNG as well. Plus it's good to see some good mileage out of those monster maroons. I only wish the damage to the Enterprise-D could've been seen, but I can understand the FX team not wanting to damage the model. 🖖😎👍

This is easily my favorite TNG episode and maybe my favorite episode of television, ever.

I watch these over and over because SF Debris is so good with words, it's uncommon and very watchable.

@11:15 Granted that's a worst case scenario, the destruction might be in fact be very localised limited merely to their own galaxy

Great tribute to a great episode. That Trek episode really shook me up the first time I watched it I’m not even sure how to explain either, but it caused me to start journaling about my life and even a few of the shows I watched on TV.

This was a great episode. With a little more time it could have been an amazing double-episode. It was a nice parallel of the two Enterprises fighting their own unwinnable battles. My favourite comment was regarding Garrett, I saw her as a competent Commander but I never saw her words as her channelling our Picard. The Lost Era is a fascinating time in Star Trek that deserves some attention.

@Vespuchian

6 ай бұрын

I would love to see a series set in that era, with the Excelsior and Ambassadors as Starfleet's leading edge, Mirandas and Refit Connies as second-line ships, and the Monster Maroon uniforms as the norm. I think there are a lot of parallels to be had in the post _Undiscovered Country_ era and NATO after the fall of the Soviet Union. Moving from a war footing back to Starfleet's roots in exploration, diplomacy, and peacekeeping. It's also an opportunity to have fun with the Romulans before they go all isolationist until _TNG._

@jamesabernethy7896

6 ай бұрын

It's a perfect time. Those older starships, still being around. A more Cold Wart Military feel to the wider situation. A delicate situations with the Klingons, Romulan being sneaky and Cardassian presence with them being a younger but ambitious species. A lost era for their ships too. Numerous species who weren't a threat yet in Kirk's time but no longer a treat in Picard's because of what happened during the Lost Era@@Vespuchian

Picard's famous line paradoxically means that they expect no one to remember what that version of the Enterprise D did there as they think the Enterprise C crew will not survive their battle 22 years before. The Enterprise C's name is the one that needs to be remembered by the Klingons.

Hiw Tasha Yar died originally was kinda disrespectful. But this episode gave her a better end, one that emphasized what a person she was. Then they shat the bed again with Tasha, but that's a tale for another day Also, it showed how one change could make people different. Harsher, colder, but still basically the same at the core. It is a truly an episode that hits you deeply.

Guinan had already won her bet with Picard claiming that she could make Worf laugh before he made Lieutenant Commander in this episode. See Redemption part 1 for reference. 🙂

The Vulcans becoming an aggressive expansionist empire is an interesting idea. Maybe that version of the Vulcans were subverted by the Romulans or maybe the aggressive Vulcans won in their civil war thousands of years ago.

@zephyr8072

2 ай бұрын

IIRC the idea was that Surak was assassinated before he could spread his ideals of peace and logic, so to fix the timeline, Sarek would end up going back in time to become Surak.

Very good analysis of a very good episode!

Love your channel man.

I always remember the scene where there's an explosion on the bridge that blows rocks everywhere. WTF?

I love this story. Everybody dies, but it has a happy ending 🙂

Notice the similarities with the bridge lighting in this timeline and the USS Titan. Plot twist..

Given that the Tasha from this timeline continued existing in the past, it seems Star Trek time travel works on the same rules it does in Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me, where there are now just two Austins running around ("Technically it's not cheating, baby.")

@BobNinjaCat

6 ай бұрын

I mean, we did get an episode with multiple Chief O'Briens, so it's actually the most likely explanation.

One of the best episodes of st tng ever it great to see Denise Crosby back even if it was only for one episode it felt like tng season 1

This is literally my favorite TNG episode tied with best of both worlds.

Yars back and she wants revenge... YARS REVENGE.

"If you can ignore a couple little issues with the logic of it..." Multiple vulcans would like a word with you

Arguably, you could say the universe WAS destroyed. Technically, it was destroyed twice. The first time was when Enterprise C came through the rift and destroyed the universe we had been watching the past two+ seasons. When Tasha chose to go back with the C to fight with them, the universe we witnessed this episode was destroyed in favor for our original one. For a further mind bend, had this incident not happened, then perhaps the Klingons would not have thought the C fought honorably enough, and an entirely new third timeline would have formed that was somewhere in between the two we see here. So everything we know from this point forward about the trek timeline only exists the way it does because of this convergent event.

@noblehelium3794

6 ай бұрын

In general, time travel only makes logical sense if it's actually alternate universe travel.

@boobah5643

6 ай бұрын

@@noblehelium3794 Or if you've got a closed loop. Mind, the closed loop is most interesting when it's not certain that that's what's going on; you rather lose your dramatic tension when you already know how it's certain to come out. Which has, of course, been played with, when a loop somehow fails to close...

About how Shooter McGavin became a Starfleet officer after defeating Adam Sandlerr at the golf course and stealing Robin Williams fiance .

@myriadmediamusings

6 ай бұрын

Cadet Sandler could've been made an ensign if it weren't for the fact that he punched and got his rear handed to him by Admiral Bob Barker.

@fredrikcarlstedt393

6 ай бұрын

@@myriadmediamusings Agreed .

This episode makes me wonder: What did the Enterprise do during the Dominion War?

Star Trek Online built on this - Spoilers; The Enterprise C didn't /quite/ make it back - they got captured by Tholians (see also ToS:"The Tholian Web", and Ent:"In a Mirror Darkly" for Tholians and temporally displaced ships). The player character in *this* alternate timeline (largely controlled by the Tholians) is a freighter captain, who must work with Tasha, Castile, and a Vulcan NPC admiral to free the C from the Tholians and send it back properly. In a much later mission Sela managed to get intel that (despite her father having told her Tasha died) the survivors of the Enterprise C had been kept on a remote prison planet (and may still be alive). Lethal temporal anomaly puzzles aplenty on the planet, and the only one left alive is the Vulcan admiral, but you do find Tasha's grave. The mission ends with cutscene of Sela (now in a federation prison) asking Data(?) about her mother.

I would like to make a suggestion (one that I would happily contribute to your patreon for a few months, at least 😅) Maybe one day you could work it into yoru schedule to review some of the 'Adventures/Story Lines' from the MMO 'Star Trek Online". A couple of those 'adventures' deal with Tasha Yar and now 'Empress' Sela of the New Romulan Empire 😁 I won't give any spoilers, but in my own humble opinion they are almost good enough to be considered 'canon' (kind of like how "Yesteryear' from the Original Animated Series was considered 'canon' by many fans, including myself 😅)

Ha. They reused that line in Generations. Guinean causes coolent leaks

Alternate reality shows of Trek, are like the Time Travel Episodes. Can so easily be overdone they are needed just at the right time and the right amount often once per series, and only after a few seasons as well, where we can actually know the characters, and compare them to their alternatives selves or really see them outside their element.

Braxton the secret hero of the universe

7:45 She is usually jovial and joking when she tries to get someone to make the right choice. Not today. Today she sends people to their deaths and no one will ever know. She can't even take responsibility for the people she is about to sacrifice. The best scenes with comedic characters is also the serious ones.

Shouldn't Worf get a Lazarus of the Week for being erased from Starfleet through temporal shenanigans, but brought back through temporal shenanigans?

@sureshmukhi2316

4 ай бұрын

Worf could still be alive in the alternate timeline but not with Starfleet.

@myriadmediamusings

2 ай бұрын

@@sureshmukhi2316in I believe it’s been hinted at but not fully confirmed that the commander of the opposing Klingon vessel in the final act was in fact alternate Worf.

@sureshmukhi2316

2 ай бұрын

@@myriadmediamusings was that in a book?

This one of my favorite episodes in Star Trek but there is one thing I've hated about this episode is that at the end of Star Trek 6 the Klingon Empire was dying there is no way that they could fight a 20 year war and be winning against the Federation

@boobah5643

6 ай бұрын

That was their situation most of a century in the past. The one thing that stays the same is that things change. Besides, the folks who stood to gain the most, politically, if Khitomer had happened the way it had been planned, were the Duras family, who were in bed with the Romulans already at that point. It seems probable the Klingons, with a Duras chancellor, were backed by the Romulans in their war with the Federation.

this is the episode Tarantino wanted to make a movie about

Somewhere, in this timeline, Tom Paris has invented a gravimetric warp drive and jumped so far away with his lover, Harry Kim, that no one will ever find them, the pair happy to have finally escaped the insane whims of 'The Architect' who is not only controlling Star Fleet AND the Klingons from the shadows, guiding them to grind each other down until she can take her rightful place at the head of both Empires, but also has inroads with the Cardassians, Romulans, Bajorans, and she's even reverse engineering some cyborg upgrades she found from some drones that apparently came from the future to stop, 'The Ascends of the Galactic Lord'. That last was almost as big an ego boost as a cup of coffee, black.

My small quibble about this episode was that, if the Federation is at war, why is the Enterprise D not designed to be more of a combat capable ship? It seems completely unaltered in this episode's AU and doesn't last long at all. If the crew is now soldiers and not scientists, then the ship should reflect that as well.

@boobah5643

6 ай бұрын

How capable she is is 'not as capable as three of the Klingon warships.' How that compares to base-line _Enterprise_ is not something that comes up, for obvious reasons; the only ship we see in the episode that is the same as base-line is the _Enterprise-C_ and even if we had a chance to compare it's combat ability with anything else in the episode it's still a dead end. Why does _D_ look the same? Because the differences are all inside the hull. Phaser arrays with greater throughput; greater energy generation to power those phasers, stuff like that. And, of course, modifying physical models is _expensive._

@bubblesculptor

23 күн бұрын

Yeah in 'reality' everything would have been different. Federation's flagship warship would be designed different, and highly unlikely the crew members are basically all the same. But obviously TV show has limitations. Definitely one of my favorite episodes

Might be my favorite episode of Trek, regardless of the series.

And they literally copy and paste, that seen of the what core breach from this episode into generations warp core breach of the enterprise D

She shelly longed herself. Whiny actors are the worst, especially when they are whining about not getting enough attention in an ensemble cast. Im glad Dexter cancelled her O2 subscription.

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Hi Mike, hi Rich - I know, you guys are watching this warriors comment! ;)

I never really loved this show much. I found it was too episodic for my tastes and got fairly repetitive after a while. However, when it was clicking on all cylinders, it produced some truly marvelous episodes and this one remains near the top for me.

@Daniel-mw7pu

6 ай бұрын

The reason why TNG is beloved is that a lot of “average” episodes are still good. There are standout episodes from every series, even Voyager and Enterprise, but TNG was just consistently good.

it's really funny how those "one change" stories always change a dozen things, like making the Klingons into a threat instead of dysfunctional bozos that can only prey on the weak. was this written by Ronald D Moore? reminds me of For All Mankind.

@L33Reacts

6 ай бұрын

lmao this comment 😂

@KianaWolf

6 ай бұрын

History is a tapestry of myriad interconnected events. ...Doesn't excuse stories where changing something in the past alters wholly unrelated events, though. [insert pointed glare at DC's Flashpoint here]

@digitaljanus

6 ай бұрын

"The Neutral Zone" established the TNG Federation hadn't had to worry about the Romulans for decades, and if they weren't currently at war with the Klingons at the start of TNG, who was the peer military power Starfleet had to contend with? They would have been less prepared for war after the Enterprise-C's disappearance than the Klingons, since military expansionism is not default Federation policy.

@Cailus3542

6 ай бұрын

​ @digitaljanus The Federation did have border conflicts with the Cardassians and Tzenkethi during this period, even if neither power could hope to match the Federation in an all-out fight. It goes unstated in the episode, but I can easily see all the Federation's enemies, including the Romulans, gleefully taking advantage of the situation. Starfleet would struggle to win a war on two fronts, never mind three or four.

@zephyr8072

6 ай бұрын

Ron Moore didn't invent alt universe stories you know. Nor did he invent stupid spiritualist luddite endings. He just runs with them.

The ship from the past should have had a different name. There was no reason it had to be a previous Enterprise. This would have removed one more coincidence from this already improbability-laden episode.

I want to love this episode but i actually dislike. The Yar story line ruins it for me

(14:38-14:44) Certainly not when you keep pronouncing it like that.