The best advocate for M43 with the most holistic honest review

@nasserbrn

5 жыл бұрын

​@Mr Dominic New or old age lingo but its use to explain (didn't know we need to use old age lingo) I meant by holistic is covers factors that help you have an understanding of what to expect. It doesn't mean you are coming out of this an expert but you have a good idea in a nutshell what to expect. I look forward to seeing his reviews and believe he is one of the best for M43. This is an opinion doesn't make anything a fact if he doesn't meet your expectations.

@jojoaausone

5 жыл бұрын

@Mr Dominic I've heard that this camera has great ONIS ! Strange that DT didn't mention it. By the way, great review!

I bought the mark III after watching your video and love it, everything you said was pretty much spot on, although as a novice most of your negatives against the camera were of no issue to me particularly because I had never owned the mark II. 2 programable buttons is more than enough especially with the super control panel button, but that's my perspective. Either way your videos definitely help.

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

The smallest E-M10, whatever the Mark, always make me wonder why any camera has to be bigger. I'm glad the videos helped and if you are starting out the Mrk III is a great camera to do it on. In point of fact, outside of specialist subjects like birds in flight, the E-M10 III does pretty much everything you'd likely need.

I decided just under a year ago (after a brief discussion with you in comment thread) to go with the mkii over the mkiii and I’m really happy with it. I’ve pretty much stuck with that and the meike manual focus portrait lense. It has brought back the enjoyment I had shooting film 18 years ago on my old Pentax K1000.

Thanks for the honesty. I love that in your reviews.

@dr34mlucid

5 жыл бұрын

John Roberts me too, this one was blunt... a bit disappointed with Olympus.. but it is what it is..

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

@@dr34mlucid Yes, a bit disappointing says it well. I hope it comes across that this is by no means a bad camera. No such thing nowadays, really. But I do expect more of Olympus and I can't help thinking that they should at least have put the 20Mp sensor in to give a definite reason for someone to upgrade.

@raygeary1698

5 жыл бұрын

John Roberts well said

I have been waiting for this camera for over a year. Thanks for sharing. Gonna order one asap.Primarily shooting video. Wish they had left the camera alone and just added the higher resolution video modes.

Thank you. Great review. Loving my em10 mark 2 & sticking with it.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Mark. And the Mark ll, yes, I agree.

@audreypeters8921

5 жыл бұрын

Me too.

Keep them coming, David. Great review. Thanks again.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Robert!

We're still quite happy with our GX80. Excellent review, mister Thorpe. As always!

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, y'all!

Thank you, David. I really appreciate your expertise.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Jan

Thank you David for another great review. Best regards from New York City

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Harry!

Nice honest review. Your videos made me go for mft. I own a g7, and just bought a gx80 for my mum. Great cameras for size, features, image quality & price.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks - yes a very practical and effective system.

Miss this guy. 😔 R.I.P. David. Deeply missed

Nice video, I have both the Mii and MiiiS, love them both.

I loved your honesty! I wish I would have watched this video before I bought the m10 III

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

There's nothing wrong with the camera and you'll get the same great results as any of the E-M10. You have a very capable and up to date camera, I'm sure you'll enjoy using it.

Excellent review. I thoroughly compared the Olympus em-10 II and em-10 III, when I was deciding 6 months ago and decided to go for Mark II for all the reasons, which you mentioned...and a few more. I think the Mark III is developed for videographers. Thank you very much for your time and effort.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, Wahab.

Hi David, I'm one of your biggest fans and I was wondering if you ever do not like a product. So this is the 1st time for me hearing your professional disappointment in this new model from Olympus. You even sound good & polite criticizing this camera. I so much enjoy seeing & hearing ANYTHING reviewed by you. Happy New Year!

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Happy New Year to you! An unlikely problem recurs in reviewing Micro Four Thirds equipment in that there is practically nothing that is actually bad, by which I mean badly made or badly designed or poor value. I long ago learned that some attributes I value mean little to other people and some things I couldn't care less about are vital to others. What I try to do is evaluate a lens or camera dispassionately without my personal prejudices coming into it and then at some point let my opinions into the equation. The little Olympus here is a good example. In itself it is an excellent camera capable of stunning results. My fault with it is that I don't think Micro Four Thirds equipment at this level is ideal for casual users. Too complicated. A more casual user would be better off with a bridge camera while someone who wanted to get to grips with serious photography would find the E-M10 lll limiting quite quickly. The Mark ll would serve them better. That, however, is just my opinion which is why I remain polite in my criticism. I was particularly pleased to read a comment here from someone who had seen my review and decided this was the camera for them. I'd never be happy trying to persuade someone to buy or not buy an item. All I seek to do is supply a basis for making a decision. That all sounds a bit too grand, really. In the end, I just love handling these gems of digital technology and seeing what I can do with them. Thanks for the kind words and observations - it provided me with food for thought.

Can’t wait for your next video!

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I'm doing one right now :-)

excellent review as always

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mr.P!

i VERY much appreciate your thoughtful analysis. i am an appreciative subscriber. thumbs up.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much!

Thanks for the straight up, no nonsense review.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it, Shahan.

For the original price, you might think it's not the smartest choice to get the E-M10 III. But right now in Australia, you can get this camera for 850AUD (449pounds) with 2 kit lens + Free 25mm f1.8 which is basically a steal. (check your local Olympus website for this promo). For its target audience, the Mark III is a more sensible option because it's just a point and shoot on steroid. I have friends who use the Mark II complaining about how confusing the settings are and ended up not using all of the features and discouraged to use it. As an E-M5 II user, yes I can totally feel David's opinion about how restricting it is for a veteran/enthusiast to use this camera. So the plan: If you know what you are doing with an OM-D camera photographically and you have a main camera like E-M5 II/III or E-M1 II, get the E-M10 II, don't bother with the E-M10 III because it's gonna drive you crazy. If you have E-M1 II and video work is your primary, alright E-M10 III is perfect B-camera for you to get, double 4K run and gun combo. If you are new and learning how to use a camera, get an E-M10 III and later upgrade to E-M5 III (still so expensive right now) or E-M1 II if you feel the need to. Hope this helps P/S: I went a big round from Olympus to Lumix to Fujifilm to Canon to Sony and back to Olympus, that must say something ;) Edit: fix grammar and typo

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

Interesting comment, Dong Cap, thanks for it. You talk a lot of sense and i thoroughly agree about some of the deals, which are a game changer.

@glenjarvis9448

3 жыл бұрын

Hi. I'd be interested to know your opinion please in 2021? I have just sold all my canon DSLR gear and bought myself an Olympus em1 mark ii. I still have an em10 mark i. and plan to use as my second body. I have the 12-40 pro already which I now plan to pair with the em1 ii. I have the 17mm 1.8 which I plan to pair with the em10, plus the kit 40-150. I aim to save up and grab a copy of the 45mm 1.8 maybe (portrait mostly) and 70-300mm. This means I have a great combo in the 12-40 and em1 ii for about 80% of my photography, plus the rest to cover other interests I have in lightweight street photography and long zoom wildlife, sports etc. All this in a package a lot smaller and lighter than my original canon gear. My question is I have seen the em10 iii now for a very good price (grey import £329 body but from UK seller). Is it worth the upgrade from the mark I in 2021 if I plan to use as a second lighter body on occasions or as a backup? I know the em10iii has improved IS, AF, EVF and 4k video (which I don't really intend to use) but I do like the fact the original em10 is metal body, and more sophisticated apparently in its menus and functions etc? Just interested to know your thoughts please if possible, although I think I may have answered my own question? Thanks.

Still love my em10 MK1 😬 Thanks for the great review!

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Stick with it! And thanks!

This review is a heartbreaker! I love this camera. Maybe because I never shot with the ii and started with the iii. I have grown to see it's limitations through time but the camera has taught me a lot. It's given me confidence in street photography because of the small form factor. I've filmed vlogs with the video settings (although it took time for me to learn the best settings). Thanks for the honesty but there is real value in this camera, it's image quality and overall ease of use is great. I have some photos on instagram with this camera under @drixpics.

Just got one and it is so beast!

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

Enjoy it, Edwin!

A useful review. I doubt many camera stores will tell customers to buy the older model in preference to the newer version.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

True - a good one would offer the choice with an explanation of why you might prefer the cheaper one. A store that did that would have my future business.

With the em10 iii sporting the em1 ii’s cpu, how is the high iso performance of the mark iii, I wonder? I would assume improved a bit?

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I couldn't see much difference but the ultimate performance is set by the RAW file of course. In other words, the JPG output will always be a matter of what compromise the maker (or user) chooses between detail and noise. I prefer to shoot RAW and make my own choices but the makers know what they are doing and you can't go wrong with their JPG output. I personally favour detail over noise reduction more than the makers do, though even then they offer tweaks to their own JPG files.

going to buy this in july!using D750 now and the video settings are bad compared to any of the Olympus OM-D lineup!

Totally fair. Had the 10.II, looked up the 10.III but the spec sheet seemed uninspiring, so I finally decided on a 5.II (for weather sealing and super resolution). As you mentioned already, the 5.II is a bit cramped, but at least I'm not cheated on functions.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

The E-M5 ll is lovely and Olympus have done a great job with the firmware upgrades.

Thanks for the video! I'm looking at a bunch of m4/3 models, and this video might have tipped me closer to the Olympus camp for my next camera. Most of the m4/3 cameras have excellent quality photos to me, so I'm looking more at what a system provides ergonomically. I once owned a sweet OM-2 rig back in the film era (early 1990s). The motor winder was my favorite accessory for that camera. I used plenty of film... addictive piece of gear for action shots. I never got to try the behemoth 240 shot adapter. (Anyone remember that piece?)

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, Alex. These days the image quality of all Micro Four Thirds cameras is very similar so judging on ergonomics and features is the way to go. The E-M10s are brilliant in that they feel big while being very small, a best of both worlds scenario.

One think I do prefer from Olympus vs Panasonic is the focus point grid. Moving from predefined point to point is much quicker (for me at least) than waiting for the Panasonic small box to track all the way across the screen and certainly feels more familiar to my old Nikon DSLRs. Not sure whether this also applies to the G9 but they are very different price points.

I am looking forward to David Thorpe's review of the Olympus OM-D E-M1X camera. This will be worth watching !!

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not certain I'll be able to get one, they are just so expensive.

@DennisBloodnokPhotographyVideo

5 жыл бұрын

@@DavidThorpeMFT - I know that you have worked with Ephotozine.com with regards to some of your KZread videos. Can Ephotozine.com not supply you with a camera for testing purposes ? Or how about asking Olympus themselves to supply a test camera ?

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

@@DennisBloodnokPhotographyVideo Olympus don't even reply to my emails, I've tried many times. ePz have helped me out often but they don't have a lot of luck with Olympus either. Overall, I think Olympus prefer to give their equipment to their brand visionaries and ambassadors since then they can be sure they won't get any adverse comments. I don't agree with them but it's their ball!

Agreed when I pick up my one em10 mk2 it just feels right. It's like I'm using a OM4. I shot with my sony A57 over the weekend in some low light situations it was like carrying a concrete block around.

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, a small, capable camera makes a big difference to the enjoyment of taking pictures. Micro Four Thirds is good for that in general but the E-M10 II hit a very sweet spot.

Thank you for the review. Question: I am considering EM10 II vs GX85 kit. Kit lenses are olympus 14-42 & 40-150mm vs panasonic 12-32 & 45-150mm . Which one would you prefer for taking picture? I understand panasonic video is vastly more capable than olympus.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Personally I'd prefer the Panasonic option. The 12-32mm is as sharp as many primes while the Olympus 14-42 is not the best of lenses. Also, the GX85 is a class above the Olympus in spec - and price! Video, yes, no contest.

Excellent and well informed as usual. I would not go near Olympus at the moment because I find their menu system unintelligible. I am very happy with Panasonic. So even though this camera is of no interest the honesty and thoroughness of your reviews is always a pleasure to watch. Thanks.

@LexTNeville

5 жыл бұрын

1 week of shooting is all it takes to make the jump imho. Though I am also very happy with Lumix, but very glad to have an Olympus too.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Paul!

I took the dive into the MFT world with this camera about 8 months ago. I wanted inexpensive since I was testing the waters so not really disappointed knowing I was buying an entry level camera. I do love the look and feel of it and makes me want to bring it instead of the A7 even with the lesser IQ. All in all it has enough benefits that its making me question if I should drop FF and go full MFT.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting - the Sony cameras are brilliant but Micro Four Thirds does bring something very different to the table.

I think you’ve convinced me to save money and buy the mark ii. Especially by noting the metal has been switched for plastic. I recently sold an OM-2 which I enjoyed simply holding in the hand because of its feel.

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

Personally, buying now, I'd buy the Mark II. The E-M1o Mark II won't feel too different from an OM. Still the same character.

Nice honest review 🙂 The EM10 mark 1 was my wife's and I first MFT camera and it made me fall in love with the MFT system (though as a hybrid shooter I have switched to Panasonic). Out of curiosity I looked at the mark 3 in a store and found it to be overly big, ugly and uncomfortable to handle. To me it fails to be in the middle ground it's trying to be in: it's not as small as the mark 1 or 2 but it doesn't have to comfort of a Lumix G80. Cheers from Germany 🙂

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

You have a good point. Maybe Olympus were more concerned not to take sales from the E-M5 Mkll than to improve the E-M10 line?

@trembichmovingmoments8778

5 жыл бұрын

@@DavidThorpeMFT yeah that might be true. I think the fact that you can still buy the Mark 2 shows how little faith they seem to have in it themselves... It's going to be interesting what the 5 mark 3 may look like.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

@@trembichmovingmoments8778 It needs to have the 20Mp sensor, that's for sure.

you have great voice for radio or tv voice over man. realy. where was you when i was in school with crow voice teachers ? :) greatings from Amsterdam !

I make KZread videos as well and I have to say...you're awesome. I can tell a lot of thought and effort was put in to make this informative, easy to understand AND entertaining. Well done!

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

It is a lot of work but it's worth it when it is appreciated - thanks a lot, Joe!

I purchased my Mk III about a month ago! Its fab! I love it! What I would really like is all of those gizmos gone...all of them 1. Just manual colour and monochrome. Perhaps I need an old M8?

Great video, David (; But could we also have an encore on videos like your Portraiture-Naturally ? Would love to learn more from your experiences

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I'll try to think of something.

thank you good info the mk2 is the camera im looking at

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

You're welcome, Allan.

Couldn't agree more. They really did cripple the mark 3 - the only upside of it for me was that it's arrival meant I was able to buy a mark 2 for a very good price. Great review as always :)

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes, every cloud has a silver lining, as they say :-)

This is great.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

:-)

I’m not an Olympus user but I can’t imagine making the top and bottom from plastic is worth whatever cost savings. As you say, the feel in hand is important. I love my Fujifilm X100s because it feels like an old rangefinder. I always admired the design and solidness of the Olympus cameras. Extra plastic is a definite mark against them imo. Petty? Absolutely. But true for all that.

@eagleeyephoto8715

5 жыл бұрын

As Fuji Xpro and EM-10 mk1 user I am also disappointed with build quality of mk3. From all metal to plastic junk.They started downgrade at mk2 already ,so I will keep my em-10 mk1.

I cant decide between Olympus E-M10 mark II, E-M10 mark III or Lumix GX80. Which of these three cameras have the best auto-focus performance? Both AF-S and AF-C.

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

I'd say the GX80 overall.

Thanks for the great video. I have Mark II and after seen this I really don't see any point to get Mark III over Mark II even if you did not already own any camera.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. That's not to say the Mark lll is bad in any way, just not really better.

A nice review. I grabbed a Mk2 on the Black Friday sale in Australia. A nice little camera. Does the MK3 get warm like the Mk2 on the right side thumb grip area. Mine gets a tad warm, but from looking online this seems to be common. The Mk2 is nice looker as well, not quiet the PenF, but close.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

The Pen F is the Cary Grant of Micro Four Thirds cameras :-)

The Mark 3 also doesn't have the optional grip. The grip makes the Mark 2 so flexible! I use it with large lenses & leave it off with a small lenses...

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe a third party maker will come up with a grip?

I agree. I was EXTREMELY underwhelmed with the mark 3. So I sold my mark 2 to get a E-m5 mark 2 instead. Not a huge fan of the flip out screen, but all around more capable. Less focus points and no 4k video as seen on the 10 mark 3, but I'll be just fine until hopefully the 5 mark 3 comes out.

@LexTNeville

5 жыл бұрын

I'll swap you for my mk1, of which my only gripe is the tilty screen. ;)

@TischTosh

5 жыл бұрын

I made the same call about a month ago. My first noncompact camera is a lightly used em5 mkii. No regrets, Love how they updated the firmware to address reviewers issues (user issues were actively addressed, per update notes).

Hi. I'm thinking about purchasing either em10 m3 for stabilization over lumix g7. What do you think? Camera with this price point me thinks em10. but what do I know. thank you. Always love your reviews.

@gian3458

5 жыл бұрын

Imo the EM10 III is worth it for the stabilisation. It's a dealbreaker for me for taking photos and videos, it just really helps with shots longer than a second. As for video, IBIS works even in 4K which is nice. 4K output too is pretty good for Olympus' second camera to feature it (so long as you don't raise your ISO too much ofc), but the G7 might be better in terms of 4K IQ just cuz of Panasonic. G7 doesn't have IBIS though. But I don't have the G7, just the EM10 III so take my word with a grain of salt.

I have the 10 MK1 and prefer the knobs n dials over the mk 2 and 3. Agreed USB charging would be nice as would 20MP

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

The E-M10 was always a lovely camera and had a definite place in the range. The Mark lll seems to have blurred that.

Is it a great camera for Streetphotography in 2022 ? Need advises 🙏

Great video as always. Your review of the GX85 was a determining factor in my purchase of the camera. I've been using it for almost 2 years in a professional setting and I love it. I just want an E-M5 III: dual card slots, weather sealing and the new 20mpx sensor in a more attractive body than the E-M1.

mk iii was just a few months old when i was looking at the em10s. needless to say, i chose the mk ii over the new one since i'm more of a still photo person than video and i like the customization and micro managing all options and controls xD i thought the same about it being a step backward or more a simplification for this new generation Olympus thought to sell this to. But they sadly failed and miss the flip out screen and mic input as it seems like a simple vlogger's camera (none of the complicated 4-2-2 bit rate stuff)

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I was worried I might be on a bit of a limb with my views on this camera but most people seem to agree with you. There seems no real reason for Olympus to have brought out this camera. At a cheaper price, maybe but not at a higher price than the Mark ll.

Despite your very honest review, I just purchased the EM-10 Mk III from Olympus, body only. Amazingly, Olympus USA is still keeping the Mk II in stock, and they're selling it for the same price! They must not be selling all that well, because either body can be had, brand new, for just $450 USD. The one killer feature that might make the Mk III a better buy for my needs is the improved low-light focusing, which will certainly be appreciated. Sadly, Olympus is not the only camera maker to give their customer less when it comes to iterating new models, the same happened, sadly, when Nikon replaced the D7200 with the D7500....many features and options were removed in the "newer" camera, the only obvious improvement was, again, focusing. Thanks again for such excellent, honest reviews.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks you, Ron. I don't understand why makers would remove useful features from 'updates' to their cameras. It seems a perverse marketing strategy.

@ronzack4572

5 жыл бұрын

@@DavidThorpeMFT -- Sadly David, the digital camera market is shrinking rapidly, and the camera makers are cutting costs to try and stay profitable....even if that means "updated" cameras that cut back on features. I think such actions are only going to make things worse, as most camera buyers are going to be put off by these type of tactics.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

@@ronzack4572 You make good points, Ron. I know mobile phone cameras are good but they don't allow the creativity that purpose built cameras do . How the camera makers get that over to the potential photographers out there I don't know. One problem must be that the makers need to sell all the time yet the modern cameras have been plenty good enough for most photographers for the few 10 years. By introducing new models that have fewer features, the incentive to upgrade is gone so they have to attract sales new sales. If there was an easy answer I'm sure the big makers would jump on it. Maybe we'll see a consolidation - Panasonic's link with the Leica mount might be a way to go but maybe Canon and Nikon will be forced to merge some time. As the Chinese say, may you live in interesting times.

Dear David, I would like to ask your opinion about the Sigma 56mm 1.4 contemorary lens. Compared to the Panasonic 42.5mm f1.7 lens. Which one would you recommend?

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I am working on a review of several Sigma lenses including the 56mm at this very moment. Should be done in a week. For me, the Sigma is the choice, a bit faster but just as sharp - a sort of halfway house between the 42.5 f/1.7 and the Nocticron with a very good price.

@picicsoda

5 жыл бұрын

@@DavidThorpeMFT Thank you very much for your quick reply! Look forward to the test of those lenses.

What one would you choose this one and gx9?

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

I'd prefer the GX9, Chan. More up to date spec.

Would you consider upgrading from a MK1 to MK2 @David?

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I'd probably save my money up until something like an E-M5 Mark lll appeared.

If I'm getting an Olympus camera for the first time, should I go for the Mark 2 or 3?

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

I'd go for the mark II. Metal body and less learner oriented.

What is that at minute 3:39 ??

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

That's me!

Thx David for this review. Can't understand what they were thinking! This is a flagship camera! I already own the GH5 and am looking for my new camera. I'm not interested in the full frame that's coming this year as I'm heavily invested into the MFT system. If you would be so kind to answer this... is the image quality in STILLS better on the G9 than the GH5 and if you had a choose just one, would it be a G9, GH5 or GH5s?

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Richard! The image quality on the GH5 is pretty much the same as on the G9 - they have the same sensor so any difference will simply be in the JPG processing (not the GH5s, of course). My choice is the G9. I am primarily a stills photographer and the G9 is intended for that. For video, it is no slouch and will exceed most photographer's needs. Tilt the balance towards video a little more and the GH5 is better - and no slouch at stills either.

@IslandFilmMaker

5 жыл бұрын

@@DavidThorpeMFT TY 🍻

I replaced my EM10-I with a GM1, and despite missing some control, I am happy with the change. Don't see the point of more EM10s. I wish Olympus and Panasonic made smaller and more capable cameras like Pentax

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I like my GM1 - especially for video because you can mount it in awkward places where bigger cameras just can't go.

Enjoyed this - especially the fact that you seem to be happy using the 45-150 lens on it. I felt it might be too awkwardly balancde, as is the Panasonic 100-400 on the Mark ii! Will have to consider it more seriously now.

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

It seems to balance nicely because you take most of the weight with the lens hand and the camera just hangs there. The centre of balance with the combo is very close to the lens tripod mount and I tend to hold the lens with that. The 100-400's tripod mount throws a lot of the weight forward, being further back. Maybe that's why it feels less comfortable.

@isabel95

4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidThorpeMFT May I assume you are talking about this on the EM10 ii and not the EM5 ii. I want to be sure before I get one for the em10 ii. I really don't feel a need to get the EM5 ii and certainly not the iii.

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

@@isabel95 I mention using the 40-150 Pro in my review of the E-M10 Mark II - kzread.info/dash/bejne/nKytkrCDqbfadNI.html

@isabel95

4 жыл бұрын

@@DavidThorpeMFT I remember that...but I'm wondering if you find it awkward on the em10 ii and thus prefer to use it on the em5 ii. From what I read about the em5 iii that would give me pause because of the plastic construction - especially the plastic tripod screw (or the mount around it that breaks), as well as features that have been eliminated.

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

@@isabel95 No, it feels and works well on the E-M10 Mark II. It's a stubby, well balanced and non-tromboning lens. It will work and function well on any camera you can put it on. I use it on any of my camera bodies without a second thought. Not so the Panasonic 50-200 which is less comfortable on a smaller body like a GX9 or E-M10. As someone who started out using plate cameras , I find myself amusing sometimes. You could take the most uncomfortable of modern equipment and it would still feel like a dream to the young apprentice news photographer I was in the early 60s. Have I really become so soft and spoilt? I suppose so 😮

I love my EM 10 Mark II, to be honest all Olympus cameras are beautiful toy to carry around. They make you want to take them with you when leaving your house))) I got extra grip 12-40 f2.8 and 45mm 1.8. This is enough for me now I guess. Only downside is late night photos not so great. Do you think going up to EM1 Mark II or Pen F makes any sense?

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Ma'ruf In many respects the Pen F is an EM10 mark ll with a 20Mp sensor and a prettier body and I wouldn't see any real point in upgrading other than you preferred the form factor and looks. The 20Mp sensor is nice but you wouldn't see any improvement (is any needed?) in day to day use. The E-M2 Mark ll is a different matter and is the most effective Micro Four Thirds from Olympus so far. However, unless you plan on covering lots of sports and fast moving subjects or feel the need for technical add-ons like focus stacking and Hi Res modes, it won't offer any advantage to you and while it is not big, you will lose the sheer ease of use and portability of your E-M10. For late night photos, neither upgrade would improve things materially, certainly nowhere near as much as a good tripod would. The E-M1 does have improved stabilization which might help a bit but in very dim light a tripod will still give better results since you can use 200 ISO without a qualm.

Any plan for a video of the E-M10 mark IV?

@DavidThorpeMFT

3 жыл бұрын

My one just arrived this morning, so yes, as soon as I can.

@antimaterielrifle

3 жыл бұрын

David Thorpe Looking forward to hearing what you think!

This troubles me though. Have we reached the top for the micro four thirds and there is no more development possible here?

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I get that. I can see incremental improvements can be made now but maybe, like smartphones camera technology is at the point where most photographers don't feel the need for improvement. A new sensor with 2 stops better noise would be a draw - Panasonic taking on board PDAF might be good too.

@ofmetalphilosophy4837

5 жыл бұрын

@@DavidThorpeMFT pdaf is incompatible with their lenses. Panasonic declared they have no intention to starting dual pixel thing. Even the full frame cameras don't have pdaf

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

@@ofmetalphilosophy4837 Yes, I noted that with the FF camera. Panasonic lenses work as well with PDAF on the Olympus E-M1 Mkll as Olympus lenses so I don't see why they wouldn't work with Panasonic's own PDAF. The DfD technology relies on a database of lens out of focus characteristics which is why Olympus lenses don't work with DfD. There's no question that PDAF has more potential in my book, though it can't match DSLRs because of the relative slowness of the PD pixels having to be read off the sensor linearly. With a DSLR the Phase Detection continues working even when the exposure is being made because it has a dedicated array that is unaffected by exposure r mirror blackout.

OLY seem to be bringing out new cameras for no reason now, its a shame, the last camera I had from them was the E620 12mp slr 4/3 sensor, it still works but has 12mp soft images and is slow in todays world , I have bad experience with the Viewfinders in mirrorless cameras so until i try one i like ( i didn't like the OLY), I'm sticking with the DSLR ,thanks for the review as per usual a great honest look at this now lagging camera keep up the great vids

GX9 is the way to go!

Panasonic it is then, thanks. When you said “no in camera battery charging” I was done. I’ve come to rely on that for all my cameras now, I have a few USB power packs that I leave in my camera bag with super small USB cables to keep the batteries topped off throughout the day. As such, I only own a single battery per camera and have never needed more.

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

It's something I have come to expect, too. I like to be able to use the camera directly from external power too but that's not crucial.

I've never clicked on a video so fast

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

:-)

This camera can't charge with micro USB? How is it charged?

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

Take out the battery put it in the the supplied charger.

EOS 250d vs M10 Mark 3? Street photo

I thought the same when the Mk III came out - relieved in a way that my Mk II still holds it's own, but also disappointed that Olympus has dumbed down when it should be treating its customers with more respect. (Apple has done the same with some of its software and both companies should have more integrity)

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I find it hard to know what Olympus's reasoning was with the Mark lll - they are capable of much more.

Great video: you are pointing out the same problems Rob Trek has portrayed it it's video about "Cameras I would not buy", This is the problem with M43: they are small and some time not regarded as high capable instruments, but reality is that they are far better then entry level DSLR at the same price and can do so much more! As for any "professional instrument" you have to spend time with them and learning their quirks and their inner merits. Most reviewer shifting form this to that camera dismiss a 2 year old m43 because it's "Just 16Mp" and because it's "entry level" or "Not Full frame". They complain because menus are complex and "difficult to understand" (for someone which as spent just 2 hours with them), so they plauded at the Olympus Em10MkIII since it abided more to their idea of an easy to use entry level, which M43 as a system is not! My preferred camera, the one I always pick up, is the EM5MkII, albeit I own a GX9, which has 5 years less and 20 Mp sensor, but I know what that "old" olympus can do and I know it outperforms many of the modern cameras in such a small package. I learned the dreaded Olympus menu layout and I know how much control it gives to me. I could sell the GX9 with it's "Friendly menu system" tomorrow without regrets, but I would not depart willingly from my trusty Olympus because I know I would instantly regret it.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

You make a powerful point, that knowing a camera well and what it can do is more important than headline grabbing attributes. I disagree with you over the Olympus menus but you answer that point when you talk of knowing a camera well. With your outlook, the E-M5 mark ll will work for you for many years to come. It used to be like that with film cameras but digital made constant upgrading 'necessary' - note the quotes!

Excellent video. I think they’ve downgraded the EM10 MKIII to spread out the line for the new super-Olympus coming out later this month. The EM1 MKII will be their new prosumer camera and so forth. That would make sense to me... Sort of what Panasonic did with the GX8/GX9 when they released the G9... I love my GX8 but it is sort of a niche camera and the GX9, while a little over-priced IMO, can do the majority if not all the work the GX8 can do. If in just a slightly less attractive package.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ricardo! Maybe you are right about the Marl lll. From what I've read the new big Olympus will be a super price too :-(

@ricardorgomez

5 жыл бұрын

​@@DavidThorpeMFT Yes, I think the EM1 is going to be the Canon 5D Olympus equivalent while the super-camera the 1DX. That would make sense to me. From the specs I've read about, the super-camera looks to be worth its price. I think it's also going to pressure Panasonic to come out with their own super camera. I just hope its geared for picture quality vs. speed.

Good news is the mark 2 will drop in price.

I have em10, GX7, G85 and Nikon D7200 and I can properly say that in pixel to pixel photo comparisons, G85 + kit 12 60 f3.5 vs Nikon D7200 + kit 18 140 f3.5 and in JPG wins G85 in sharpness and I work at high isos ... only on Raw slightly exceeds G85 nikon ... but the most surprising thing is that in developed Lr I can raise more shadows on G85 (that I could not believe ... because it is supposed, nikon has more dynamic range!) ... only Nikon bag for nothing.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting - sometimes in LR I wind the exposure up and down for maximum detail at both shadow and highlight ends and then combine them with the standard exposure to make an HDR image. It gives a lot of control and can make the best of the dynamic range available.

@cristianfuentes8202

5 жыл бұрын

@@DavidThorpeMFT maybe it's interesting that you see what this man does with a simple gm1 and gf7 with panny 20mm f1.7 and sometimes the panny 12 32 f3.5 www.flickr.com/photos/gomera/with/39787300073/

Yes. The gx9 is def a better buy.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I'd have to agree.

I have a video idea for you David.. Perhaps YOUR list of "cost-effective" lenses? Not budget, just cost effective. For you. (;

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Good thought - I'll keep it in mind.

The Mark IV finally has a 20mp sensor, so that's something.

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

Yes - and about time too. I don't think it makes much difference in day to day use but it brings it into line with other bodies and there's no downside to it.

On the bright side I just got a brand new mkII with two lenses for 470 pounds. Moved to micro four thirds because of weight and size requirements (climbing and long distance trekking) and despite still having my full frame and apsc systems I've been using the olympus more often than not, even when weight isn't a problem. I absolutely love the mk2, the mk3 does look like a downgrade to me, especially for those well versed in photography that bought an E-M10 mostly for its great portability and similar features/customisation to "Pro" level cameras. Looks like this is lost with the mk3.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I get the feeling that Olympus didn't have the money to upgrade the E-M10 II so just rejigged it for marketing purposes. The MkII is a proper' Micro Four Thirds camera with all the facilities and customization you need - as you say -and in a beautiful small body. i can't imagine Olympus would be daft enough to discontinue the MkII !

I have the impression that this camera's target group are people that want to switch from smart phone photography to using a camera.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

You could be right. I think it would have been better in that case to have brought this in at a lower price and even more simplified. Olympus would need to keep the Mark ll going as the next step up in that case.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

@olysonic m43 They'd do well to keep it going, I think.

@nlanca1

5 жыл бұрын

I've read a couple of reviews and they take this view - an intro to 'proper' cameras for the iPhone brigade - and I speak as someone with a foot in both camps ;-)

Totally agree. I think this was a real let down from Olympus. Taking away a lot of the customisation and great features of the em10 mark 2. Just because you desire a small camera doesn't mean you are a novice. I really hope they get it right for the mark 4 version.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

If you take the Mark 3 as a starting point, the Mark 2 is the Mark 4. If you see what I mean :-)

Interesting critique although perhaps you're too advanced for this camera. I've had a Mk2 for 3yrs and never use most of its capability. For me the menu is too large. I agree about the auto focus going to the background, and eyes needing special treatment. I love the feel and look of it. Several deficiencies you mention could be fixed by update. 20MB and usb charging would have been the obvious but perhaps the body is too small.

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

My main gripe was that the Olympus E-M10 Mark II was just as good, if not better than the III at a lower price so I didn't see the Mark III as an upgrade. The III will have suffered in my review because it's predecessor was one the best all round models in Micro Four Thirds in my personal opinion. On the other hand, for someone coming fresh to 'proper' interchangeable lens photography this might be excellent for learning.

It is a shame. Let us hope the new X model will wow us all, with more than the price I mean! ;-)

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I don't like what I've been hearing about the new model's price. Maybe...I hope that is has been exaggerated.

Honestly as a first step up camera from a phone this camera still has the goods. Better focus system than the mk2, modern 4K video and a much easier to follow menu. They were on sale here in Australia over Christmas for $510 after $150 cash back that’s almost half of the release price and it had the 14-42mm pancake lens with it too. More than enough to keep a newbie entertained. Nothing else came close at that price and it has the great image stabilization too. Its not all bad. Think of who it’s aimed at. Everyone else will be catered for this year by Olympus from the rumours going around I believe.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I see Micro Four Thirds as more than a step up from a phone camera - a step up would be a bridge camera in my opinion. As a starter camera, this camera is just too expensive, especially compared to the cheaper Mark ll.

@Greggie_D

5 жыл бұрын

There’s a big sale here in Aus that started yesterday and the mk3 is cheaper than the mk2! I think it’s the perfect step up for a keen phone photographer looking to up their game especially with the easier to understand menu. It leaves the Canon and Nikon entry level cameras at the same price for dead.

Wholeheartedly agree. To add one more to the cons list, no grip available to the mark III version. The only thing i miss from my mark II, is that the mark III is finally able to record proper quality video, but all the rest of this camera is a big no no, i would definitely buy the mark II again, instead of the mark III.

@1883entertainment

5 жыл бұрын

There is a grip available on amazon for the mk 3

@asdfhun

5 жыл бұрын

@@1883entertainment *from olympus

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Most photographers seem to agree with you. Krisztian

Is this a repeat of the XA? Where the first two models were cool, but somewhat retarded from the third model onwards.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

We'll see - maybe the E-M10 Mark llll will have a 12Mp sensor :-)

I do not like it just because is not weather seal like my excellent OMD-EM5!!

The sad summary is that, like Panasonic, Olympus is intent to relegate M43 to the “intentionally kept mediocre” in order to kill the format. First the GX9 “idiot cousin” to the GX8. Now this. Sad really.

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

I do hope not :-(

how much us $

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

There's a listing here - amzn.to/2pxtJXy

My first thought when he showed the finish, was "Plastic"? Like Canon tried to fool us with on the AE-1. Very Toylike of Olympus!!!

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Yes. In fairness the plastics are probably just as strong but it just doesn't feel as good.

sounds as though Olympus can't be bothered. just cost cutting after more money. sad that there is no passion to improve the camera. Panasonic gx9 is better.

this is 1 year old

It’s not often you express a “meh” for a MFT camera! What a disappointment, I hope it doesn’t signal a shifting of focus away from the system. It’s the lack of 20MP sensor I find most baffling...

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

True - I find this camera underwhelming and that is unusual for me. I approach Micro Four Thirds cameras expecting to like them and this is one of the few disappointments. It's in no way a bad camera just 'meh', as you say. I hadn't thought of it as shifting focus away - I do hope not but bringing out a 16Mp camera at this stage of the Micro Four Thirds game is bizarre. Not a big deal in itself but indicative.

🙂👍Brilliant review, disappointing camera 🙁👎

@DavidThorpeMFT

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

What is wrong with you man, what do you expected for this money ????!

@DavidThorpeMFT

4 жыл бұрын

You can spend less and get the E-M10 Mark II. That;s what I expect, I suppose. The III is still a good camera and I do say that.

nice review of a garbage camera.

The format is dying, in fact it's dead.

@smiff4748

5 жыл бұрын

You're an idiot.