It's really sad how people who seemingly have no knowledge of Thomas, can make a better series/episode, than longtime hardcore fans. Look at John Oliver's spoof of "Henry the green engine". That was hilarious. Sad that it's so much better than all of Season 5. I also never noticed your point about the dialogue. Victor barely uses any dialogue in some episodes and it really shows. He also focuses on one location for most of an episode (Barry, Derek, Mickey, and Rob in the works talking). Your critique/review was much better than mine because you go into detail about certain issues that I completely forgot about. Like I completely forgot about Halifax, Postman Pat, Bulgy, and Kate, and the whole Mavis subplot went wayyyy over my head. It's crazy how forgettable most of the episodes, considering this is the season where Thomas the tank engine gets blown up. I feel like Victor is treating his characters more like tools, instead of actual characters. I do think Victor could remedy these problems, but only if he rewrote the whole damn season. I doubt he will and that's really up to him, but I could forgive these issues if he did. I think his combination of Thomas and Tugs was good in the first few seasons wasn't bad, but it got really old really fast and doesn't work anymore. Also kinda off topic, the Sodor Shorts. At first I kinda looked passed them cause they aren't cannon and he makes them for fun, but I'm genuinely starting to worry. I feel as though his mentality is taking a nosedive, maybe this is just me speculating or trying to give myself closure. I have a feeling that Victor will make a follow up video reflecting on Season 5 and why it wasn't good/bad or whatever. Basically this season is NOT overhated. To be honest I think it's UNDERhated. I think people are just trying to find reasons to defend it, which I understand but it doesn't change the fact that this season is factually bad.

@GoldenOne131

6 ай бұрын

Victor Tanzig hater

@arenjtumastens

6 ай бұрын

I highly agree with much of everything here. Especially that underhated part. This Season WAS really bad, and even worse is that some people are trying to defend some of the messed up stuff from it, which is just aggravating. If they paid more attention to what made the season stupid, then they would think differently about it and make sure these mistakes are remedied.

@jessebourgelas8811

6 ай бұрын

@@arenjtumastensSo no one is allowed to have an opinion different than yours?

@arenjtumastens

6 ай бұрын

@@jessebourgelas8811 they are. But some just have to make sure they understand mine as least, while sticking to what they think.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

He's talking in the objective.

>trips over macaroni >fucking DIES BRAVO VICTOR

@Canadiansteamer43

6 ай бұрын

And that was Geoffreys death in a nutshell

@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory

5 ай бұрын

this is the best way it's been described

What I would do instead of having Thomas dying, would be to make him lose a lot of his memories, so that later seasons can build on it about his road to recovery

@conductorjr374

6 ай бұрын

hes gonna come back idiot. ever watch tugs? munitions was a parody of the episode munitions from tugs.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Cool it. (Comment I was replying to is missing)

Thomas died for nothing, and his return is guaranteed. How do I know? He's still in the intro. You'll notice that Geoffrey was replaced by Dudley in the season 5 intro.

@fanofeverything30465

6 ай бұрын

It's called avoiding spoilers

@Soundwave3591

6 ай бұрын

@@fanofeverything30465 then why did he remove Geoffrey?

@fanofeverything30465

6 ай бұрын

@@Soundwave3591 He didn't remove until after his death though I do agree that Thomas will most likely return

@ArxCyberwolfPC

6 ай бұрын

On top of being sent to the Woodham Brothers scrapyard. It's not even going to be a surprise when he returns.

I completely agree with you. Every death in this season is the equivalent of “oh no anyway”

@robotx9285

6 ай бұрын

Yep. Jeffrey just kleens over. Zarro literally only appears so he can die. It paced far too suddenly for that, not to be the case. Army D bag just explodes and dies. Mickey retorted about him needing therapy Hella intreasting to me yet absolutely nothing comes of that. Thomas feels like he should of died instantly if he wasn't gonna say anything. The killer should of gotten an actual character cus as it is, he' literally just a plot device.

@Kirkrownan12

6 ай бұрын

@@robotx9285 not to mention how he doesn’t even say anything

@robotx9285

6 ай бұрын

@@Kirkrownan12 I don't think he needed to say anything. All he had to do is show Percy, Edward or Toby were with Thomas when he dies. Like Edward can be at shed talking to the others, and he talks about how Thomas behaved, Percy says a bunch of stuff, and Thomas merely react with silent expressions. Maybe have Thomas goes out with a smile on his face. Maybe even have Thomas interact with Derek and have Derek try his best to comfort him. Maybe they could've become proper freinds through Derek's compassion, and Thomas's wisdom.

@MohammadKhan-lv5vz

6 ай бұрын

Kinda reminds me of "So anyways, i started blasting"

@thesovereignsudrian

6 ай бұрын

me when wendy williams "oh she passed away.....mhmmm...... alright. 🥴"

Character: **Dies** Literally everyone: Oh no! Anyway. Basically S5

It took a year and a half for Victor to make the fifth season, yet it feels like he made this all in a day and a half (at best).

@commodorezero

6 ай бұрын

He made the SCP season in the interim which was basically a darker spinoff. It was very good set up amazing plot points.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Pretty sure everyone woulda understood if he waited.

@thomasawl

6 ай бұрын

Well duh, -lighting your blunt takes a while-

@tristankawatsuma8962

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 I have to admit that as a Star Wars Canon fan who thinks parts of the fandom are too harsh in Disney, I kind of have to agree with your comparison. I mean, look at Templin Institute’s videos on the New Republic, First Order, and the war in the Sequels. Honestly if I was a Star Wars writer, I would write stories set after the sequels referencing it because I hate breaking Canon, but I might get annoyed with having to write in an era that’s nearly a mirror to the year between the Battles of Endor and Jakku. It would definitely take some work to avoid copying novels and games set in that year. As for Thomas, if Victor’s really going to bring him back, his safest bet is with what he did with Arthur. It’s the only way to bring back Thomas and would explain why the TV Show writes Thomas as a young character despite being very old. However, the death of Thomas made me think of a certain issue yet to come up. The Tv Show basically makes Thomas the main character, but what has he done in Stories of Sodor to earn such a role? You can’t say his death because plenty of engines have died, even in heroic sacrifices. It makes me wonder why Thomas got a funeral and no one else. I mean, Thomas doesn’t have a close friendship with Awdry, his Branch Line is no longer a regular part of the railway, and even before Beeching, nothing was special about Thomas’s Branch Line. Edward’s the closest thing to a main character in Stories of Sodor while Thomas was just one of the guys. So why would Britt Allcroft name the show after this Tank Engine who died a few decades ago. Why does Awdry keep including Thomas in stories after his death? You know, now I’m wondering why Victor went down such a different route in the first season and had Sodor divided between the LNER and LMS? At least the LMS actually owned Barrow. Sorry to say this, but your rewrite kind of sounds a little too depressing at the end. It can feel a little overboard to have their rights fully revoked on top of everything else. Maybe instead the politicians who want to revoke these rights are able to get the ball rolling for a national referendum on the issue. Basically, the rights of the vehicles are to be settled by the people and the politicians who want to revoke these rights are ready to start a brutal campaign to get folks on their side, starting with using what happened on Sodor. Maybe also have the memorial set after the murderer commits suicide so that we can see the island take the first step towards recovering. Thus Season 6 is set up showing the rest of this recovery and on the referendum that can decide the fate of the engines and all other vehicles in England.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

@@tristankawatsuma8962 The ending I came up with is brutal - I'll give you that. The main takeaway is that it still would have more of an impact than what we got, and it would have come full circle on many plotlines from not only this season but the previous season as well. Honestly, yours sounds much more methodical and would have also made for a better ending + build up to S6. Also, that's exactly what I was thinking. If Thomas is dead, why would the RWS continue to use him, and the impending TVS? That's the kind of worldbuilding that was destroyed.

I feel like the real reason season five dropped the ball so hard was the reduced runtime of the episodes, like seriously? Why are they half as long as usual? And I’d also like to give him the benefit of the doubt, because you can’t walk a guy in a room for a few years and expect him to keep coming up with gold all the time. Eventually, he’ll just start repeating material or any new material he does make I’ll be lackluster.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

I see what you're saying, but does that really make it any better?

@newstarkiller

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 I feel like Victor is suffering from burnout form working on this series for so long

@arvinrufo7061

6 ай бұрын

​@@newstarkiller I agree. I think us fans should let him work in a way that best suits him.

@DergGamingYT

6 ай бұрын

​@@MilesL.auto-train4013No, it doesn't make it better, but it does make it seem less like Victor is lazy, and is still attempting to bring us his stories despite being tired and suffering from lack of inspiration.

@DergGamin

6 ай бұрын

As a reply, I think Victor's biggest mistake was confining this story to a singular year, and as such, episodes could no longer have consequences that lasted for long periods of time. Even season 2, which only lasted 2 years, was better because of the freshness, the wealth of ideas, however.. There is a limit. New ideas are not going to appeal to everyone. And he is struggling. He's also gotten more consistently busy because of Reddit Railway, SCPs, and weekly shorts. On top of his personal life, no wonder his content is lacking quite a bit.

I personally don’t think SOS Season 5 was that much of a letdown, but it could have been better. If they weren’t rushed and didn’t feel too similar to Sodor Dark Times, I think it could have worked. Great video btw! Edit: I rewatched the season, and yeah… it’s pretty fucking awful. Most things I hated is pretty much what everyone hates about it. It’s confusing, there’s almost no dialogue, it lacks in locations, it’s slow/rushed at parts, etc. I think this video sums it up better than I ever could though, great overview on this disappointing season!

I think another issue is that unlike say the Stories of War or the SCPs of Sodor: Season 5 treats itself like a regular season instead of what it actually is, an event. Instead of focusing all of the non essential episodes (they could have been saved for the following season if there is any) it could have focused on say, some of the engines taking matters into their own hands and do their own investigating into the saboteur or something like that. But no, instead we got: Here's another season, many dead, stay tuned for next time. And I know that's a gross oversimplification but c'mon.

The fanboys need to understand that he has opinions. People can always criticize, stop whining and understand

I LOVE all your suggestions on how to improve the season. I think you perfectly fixed everything wrong with it. Yes, there should be some rocks where Geoffrey crashed to explain why he died and Henry didn't. And everything you said during your how it could have all been done better segment, and that bit about engines losing their rights, something that was mentioned in SOS before by the narrow gauge engines, I forget when exactly, and retconning that diesel conversion thing as just oil burning, chefs kiss, beautiful. Here's hoping Victor will take your suggestions on board and re-do season 5 accordingly. That's the only way to save this, completely overhaul season 5 with the improvements you suggested.

As someone who has stopped watching Victor a while ago, (for different reasons I might add) I cannot help feeling sorry for him. His own piece of art which came from him is now being deeply criticized like hes some kind of narcissistic Hollywood company. But then again, he's the one whose made a full time career of his channel and after all the controversy, one of the only reasons people stuck around was because of Stories of Sodor and now his content's quality is dwindling one does have to question, why? Has the pressure of full time KZread got to him? Is it that he doesnt care anymore? Its those standard questions with scenarios like this. It really is a shame. Personally though, one thing I defend him on though is the abruptness of characters' dying and there being little emotional reaction to it. SOS is a historical series, it takes a very specific lens of the canon that takes us through the history of Sodor rather than telling a story. Its almost like a historical drama in that sense. Then again, there were times in the past where he balanced emotional impact vs historical integrity perfectly such as Adam's death in Series 4 so seeing this downgrade in quality is baffling and disappointing. All that controversy, just to make content like this

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

I disagree on that last half, but I can only agree on the first. I truly don't think Victor is meaning to be harmful in any way, but he's let his status in the community (if you can call it that) dictate what he makes, no matter how bad or offensive it is, and it seems that he'll be rewarded for it anyway. And he already has.

@fanofeverything30465

6 ай бұрын

​@@MilesL.auto-train4013You need to respect other's opinions

Thanks for using my comment in your video! I agree with you that killing Thomas isn’t a bad idea, but it was such an emotional letdown. This is the face of the entire franchise, this should’ve been the most emotionally gutting death and funeral ever put into media, and all we get is ANOTHER MONTAGE!!!! The best way to describe this entire season for me is, “I like the idea, hate the execution.” I also agree that Thomas shouldn’t come back that being said, I don’t want Victor to go back on his choice and reckon the death, because then it’ll make even less sense.

Killing Thomas off is basically ending the series without ending it

Not to mention, Victor only killed off Thomas for shock value. We learned about this from a post on Twitter that was Victor responding to a fan’s email. Which means his death is for NOTHING. This is why I don’t understand why people say that Victor Tanzig’s work is still amazing.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Link me this post

My main issue with season 5 is that nobody acknowledges the events and the deaths have no purpose or legacy to carry. Even the characters' actions have no sense and Victor's reasoning boils down to "Just because." So many missed opportunities with this season. Example: Rob should have seen his brother BEFORE commit suicide, that way, he would have confront him before he shoot the bullet at himself and see the brother's views on each other. It would have made sense too because he bought his old house back. But nooooo! He had to set the timer lower on the oven in fear of his fans getting impatient. I will at least give him pity points because he did hit a writer's block. But MAN, he really wanted to overcome his writer's block. You don't overcome a writer's block by rushing it, you take a break and think it out on how to get over it. It's called a BLOCK for a reason.

@bentheg9793

6 ай бұрын

(slow 👏) (fast clapping) BRAVO! BRAVO! ENCORE!

@bentheg9793

6 ай бұрын

Seriously. This comment is unironically great

@bentheg9793

6 ай бұрын

That last paragraph in particular said everything I was thinking

I liked your version of season 5 a lot, I think that woulda made a much more interesting and satisfying season. Frankly it’s a shame, I really enjoyed seasons 1-4, stories of war and SCPs. Kinda sucks how things like steam-diesel conversion removes any tension from the threat of modernization. I don’t really see where the series could go from here but I am really disappointed, I was so excited for Season 5. I wish Victor the best, this is his job after all so as long as he’s making enough money to keep himself a float; then fair enough, I hope he continues to have this success so he can continue to live comfortably. That being said, I will really miss when I enjoyed watching new episodes of this series.

I agree with you on mostly everything here. I also feel many of the plot points feel VERY underutilised. But I still cannot believe Victor was lazy enough to just copy Munitions straight from Tugs. Like, why? This is meant to be this season's magnum opus but all the lines are stolen from Munitions and many of the shots are bad. I understand its the sortware or what not... but its really noticable here. As a reminder, these characters are not Tugs characters, Edward isn't Hercules, Toby isn't OJ and every single time Victor has made these characters talk like Tugs, its so out of place. Look at Season 4 Storm for example. Now, imagine an episode with everyone talking like Tugs despite the fact that these characters do not talk like that, oh wait. My absolute main point of disappointment from this episode is Benson. Character assassination. Benson was already shown to be able to reason and show actual empathy for others. He is also very proffesional. He barks orders and all, but the guy still has a heart, somewhere, and understands. For example, the Season 4 episode of Lamp. Benson is NOT Bluenose. Yet, this episode throws all of it out the window. Pretty dam disappointing indeed. So much build up for arguably the worst episode this season.

@jessebourgelas8811

6 ай бұрын

He’s copied TUGS stories before.

@fanofeverything30465

6 ай бұрын

​@@jessebourgelas8811Yes many of the flaws in Season 5 were present in seasons prior

Victor wasnt the only KZreadr to blow Thomas to smithereens whether he was alive or not. Sodor's Dark Times Shed 17 Bosher's 1st Alfred video Sodor: The magic within Henry also has had a killing degree in KZread content to. Sodor's Dark Times Shed 17 Sodor's Dark Times: A Frenzy Payback EP53 Railway Tales #6 Tidmouth 1936 Sodor's darkest days

I think something to really consider is an audience perspective of SOS. I was obsessed with it when i was 16 and that was 4 years ago. I think at a certain point, the things you mentioned, and the posts from TheBuriedTruck begin to reveal a lot about the series that I don't particularly appreciate. I don't think having certain innuendos- relationships, social stratification, etc- be a part of a community with such a young audience should be a good idea, and that is kinda what had me drift away from SOS very quickly. I think its great an all that content creators introduce mature things into the community- I myself have that goal in mind with my own work. However, like you explained with the analogy from "The Flying Kipper", you gotta show, you can't just tell a story. Playing with tone is a crucial part of storytelling, and its why the TV series did so well with its own stories. This just feels like you smushed TUGS and a bunch of other things together. I've been waiting for a time and space to properly share these thoughts, and I honestly appreciate you creating this video. I hope that this in no way hurts Victor- this is just a college art student sharing his thoughts. Tone is something I take very seriously. But yah! Great video!

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

I was unaware of these tweets by buried truck you mention, is there a link to them by chance?

@thesovereignsudrian

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 oh lowkey they were in your video 😭

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

@@thesovereignsudrian Ah, I thought he made tweets in regards to Victor's storytelling aspects as a whole - not just in reference to Dudley.

I feel like Thomas’s death should’ve been the main focus of the season. He’s practically the face of the franchise so I think they could’ve done more with that aspect of the series losing its most iconic character. I’m already thinking up an alternative S5 in my head where Thomas’s death is the main event and the engines having to track down his killer. _The Stories of Sodor Season 5: Who Killed Thomas the Tank Engine?_

If I had to theorise, I would bet that the reason Victor thought the steam-diesel conversion thing would be plausible is because of those steam-outlined locomotives you see at amusements parks and such. Sure, those do obviously exist (I even once saw a website where you can buy them, although I've heard from some people they'll set you back for about the same price as a used Camry), but they're mainly a gimmick aimed towards kids and tourists, not an effective means of powering a nationwide railway service.

@DanielChannel57

6 ай бұрын

There's also steam-powered ships being converted to diesel power, but like with steam turbines, some things that work on ships don't work on trains.

@LivingWRailfan

21 күн бұрын

It wouldve made more sense if it was a steam-oil conversion

I just thought of a way to make Peter's death have SOME KIND OF IMPACT. You have to move the order around of some episodes to make this work but here is my idea: First, Geoffrey dies. we get notice that the roads are now carrying more stuff by rail, set up the conflict of Bulgy, Lorenzo and George later. Then we get a few episodes mentioning Peter pulling lots of heavy goods trains to make up for Geoffrey's death so the railway keeps traffic, Then we get an episode of Peter being rewarded with passenger trains, during one time he meets his killer to be, speaks with him, and lets slip his past but he's learned his lesson. Killer says "You've not learned a thing," leaves... and that's it for the episode. Then in the very next episode, Peter gets killed. He's feeling weaker than normal (hinting at his metal fatigue that's slowly forming) and he's told by STH after this passenger run to report to the works. Maybe even have some engines say "if it's metal fatigue, Mr. Hall will be able to fix it. He's done wonders before." Then have the killer come out and attack Peter, screaming vengeance. The shots do hit Peter at his most vulnerable part and he dies suddenly; confused, and begging for mercy and forgiveness before he goes out forever. The consequences of this: the roads now look ready to take over the island. Next episode is "Competition" where the road makes great strides, but the railway manages to claw some customers back. Because of the deaths, the railway gets a big contract for the navy, and this is make or break here. And instead of Benson, make the prat who sets it off another military machine. Why not a military truck or something who feels the military should get rid of Benson as the military makes more use out of road than rail. It leaves Benson's character as this one good character who's trying to police another member of the military, and pushes road vs rail to it's complete limit and both sides lose.

I agree with everyone here. Victor dropped the ball big time. I only discovered his series in 2020 and it did kind of wierd me out. GOOD LORD, this series was so rushed. For gods sakes, if it was this bad, I’d rather him just not make new content for a bit. Also he apologized for it and said he’ll do better.

@GoldenOne131

6 ай бұрын

Hater

Here’s some things I would change in S5 Munitions: Like I would have it when the tanker catches fire, (btw the fire was caused by the explosion so bensen hasn’t already died) Bensen would take the tanker to about where Thomas took it and then it explodes and he dies. He does a hero. In the scene where Mickey dies, Donald doesn’t break down for “plot convince” so Mickey is still alive. Fallout: Here, for the most part nothing changes. Accept for Thomas’ death. Bensen would take Thomas’ role in being taken to Barry island, his remains would be loaded into wagons like Adam. (Also that scene with Donald and derek never happens) Revenge: I would have Peter be in every episode prior to this which will show him straining due to metal fatigue. Also he is t shot, he dies by struggling up Gordon’s hill with Francis’ train. Vandalism: The only things that really change are how Geoffrey does and the re-introduction to Wendell and William. Geoffrey would die similarly to how he did, accept when he comes off the rails he crashes into a large rock (about the size of a car) and it hits his boiler causing his death. As for the re-introduction to Wendell and William, I would have a flashback take place that shows how they got bought, why, and how duck and Oliver’s old branch is doing. Enthusiasts: I would keep the episode the same, only that James stops at welsworth (where the guy (can’t remember his name) is standing taking a picture when the trucks roll down and hit the enthusiast). Competition: Oliver and George don’t have that goofy scene where they ram into each other. We would also see the blue lorrie (also can’t remember his name) have an arch by putting his differences aside to warn oliver that a car had broken down further up the line. Preservation: Everything is the same. Rescued & Experiment: Barry is converted to run on oil. Also he is at the far end of the scrap yard so even if he yells for help, no one could hear him until Neil bumped him. Training: Kate doesn’t come to the Farquhar branch.

@ttteproductions7609

6 ай бұрын

I wish thomas didn't die

@stupideronjupiter

6 ай бұрын

Honestly, even though Benson is a character that I'm sure we love to hate, he died... really, for nothing. Your version is better because it gives him SOMETHING. Love it, can't word atm. The other stuff's pretty interesting too.

@renown16

6 ай бұрын

Maybe Benson knows Alfred, they are the same class Afterall, and those acts you mentioned are the exact same both b12s rush out an explosive wagon.

@ThomasOfSodor_1

6 ай бұрын

@@renown16I wasn’t thinking of Alfred when writing my thoughts, but I like how Bensen dies like Alfred. He dies a hero and will never be forgotten

And i think the next season will have percy fall into a depression after realising how much he actually misses thomas

With Thomas, I have a feeling that my theory (which I've noted on a couple videos) may be the true answer, but as you said, it was executed very poorly. For context: My theory is that Victor is setting up for a story with Thomas that's a case of mistaken identity. That Thomas didn't actually die, and it was another engine which did, and Thomas is found later on to have actually survived the explosion. To expand on that, I'm thinking that, perhaps, we're going to find out that Jinty (who in the canon is noted as looking very much like Thomas) was one of the engines brought by the military to help with loading the ship. While Thomas did take the fuel tanker away, Jinty (unknown to anyone) coupled up to it and moved it further away. When the explosion happened, it was he who had the tank car explode in his face, and the resulting damage (along with Jinty's similarity) is what caused everyone to think it was Thomas. Meanwhile, Thomas is at the bottom of the bay, and isn't found until several episodes in, if not the very end of season 6. NOTE: I also theorized that Victor would start killing off characters that are 'original' characters of his own creation, both in an attempt to keep the series closer to the Canon, while also trimming down the overall cast he has. Meaning that the deaths (other than Thomas, who as I note, I doubt is actually dead), is in line with. This would allow him to 'weed out' characters that were 'one off' type characters, or who don't see as much use, while providing more story. Though yes, you'd expect the main cast to see more impact on the story.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Interesting, although I seriously hope that isn't the case at all. There was no setup for anything of the sort, and to have hat actually happen would be a bit of both a rugpull and pulling it out of his ass.

@KibuFox

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 I think though, knowing what we do with how this season is being received, that it's something entirely likely. Now, if I had to write it, using what we have as S5 as a jumping off point, personally here's how I'd pull it off without it seeming to come out of left field for the viewers. S6-1 Revolve the story around how the other engines are dealing with the loss of Thomas, with a sub plot about further investigation into the explosion. Drop hints that Benson and Thomas weren't the only locomotives to go missing after that. S6-2 Give some of the other lines, like the narrow gauge, or little western some screen time. Continue with the investigation sub-plot with Joey, centering around the munitions factory. Imply that Hall wasn't responsible for the explosion, as is assumed. S6-3 Spend more time with the branch lines, include a flashback to Thomas, and in the background have 'Jinty' present, but not with a speaking role. Further start to drive home the subconscious idea that there was a second locomotive that looked like Thomas. S6-4 Filler episode. Use this to give the viewers time to process the hints and info dropped in the first 3 episodes. No new info is presented, and the investigation seems to stall. Perhaps include the move to revoke rights from the locomotives, at least the steam locomotives. Start that primarily on the mainland for now. Maybe even take that part of the story out of the UK. Such as mentioning that the US has revoked this right to choice from trains, and BR is looking to it as a cost-cutting measure. S6-5 Filler episode expanding on the question of locomotive rights. Joey's investigation turns up a new lead, pointing to another culprit for the explosion. Someone equally angry with the railroad, but in particular, angry with the military. S6-7 Rosie centric episode. Introduce Neville as a replacement for Thomas. Further expand on the "Jinty" side of things with Neville mentioning that he worked with another military locomotive (have Neville be ex military) who vanished some time before. Neville doesn't know the engine's name, but that he was on Sodor at least for a time. Joey starts investigating further, but is blocked, as the information is classified well above what he can access. Rosie and Neville spend some time working together and reminiscing, while the main cast are hostile toward him, seeing him as a 'replacement' for their friend. (sticking with some of the canon dislike of Neville) S6-8 Introduce Marion. Marion is brought on to help with rebuilding of the harbor, and cleaning up the mess. Joey's investigation turns up a possible culprit in the form of a previously sacked railway worker. Emily's crew perhaps? S6-9 During the removal of rubble, and the sunken ship, Marion makes a strange discovery. Something buried in the rubble, or at the bottom of the harbor. By the end of the episode, that object is revealed to be a locomotive. Joey, Neville, and Rosie 'recognize' the engine as the missing Jinty. That locomotive is badly damaged, but servicable. This reopens the old wounds about losing Thomas, and also further plays into the 'removal of rights' story. S6-10 Flashback episode. Presented as memories of the locomotive. Always shows jinty and Thomas together. The episode presented in a way where it's not clear who is remembering it. As the decision to administer black water to the locomotive is being made, that locomotive 'wakes up' from their coma. Sir Topham, and other engines present tell "Jinty" that he's in good hands, and they'll rebuild him. Episode ends with the locomotive saying something along the lines of... "That's not my name. I'm Thomas."

@Canadiansteamer43

6 ай бұрын

​@@KibuFox I will pay 100 bucks to see that

@KibuFox

6 ай бұрын

@@Canadiansteamer43 I know he won't go that route, but it's safe to say it'd be a good season.

A very great video you had made. Your revision to the season is much better than I watched (I only watched the first few episodes of it before stopping) there. I feel the only way to fix this, is for victor to remake the entire season or completely make it a different story if he can’t. In full honesty, I don’t know what’s going to happen next. Like you said, keep Thomas dead. Bringing him back from his fate makes me, you know mad. I don’t how to explain for myself. I confessed that I stopped watching when there was a lot of dark humor and so much train shipping (I’m personally not a fan of it). This season was a big slap to the face from previous seasons to me. Like you, I lost hope the series. I probably stay away from the series for while to cope with the disappointment, especially it was one of the most known series I watched when I was younger. That breaks my heart to do this.

i swear back when i watched fallout i saw the happy ending at the end of the video it was like whiplash, i thought i was sleepy and accidentally watched a sodor short video but no its the right video i clicked, that just shows how out of place the ending was compared to thomas' and mickey's death.

I stated this before but I feel like Victor should take a good break from the series to recover from burnout so season 6 doesn't suffer the same fate season 5 did

On a somewhat related note, the moment I disliked the most before this was when he decided to put Peter in Jail for 15 years for something that at least at the time would have not gotten him charged for a war crime since it became a military target since the Germans were fighting in it. There’s a reason I’ve often said that he did nothing wrong. Also he didn’t give Geoffrey any further development during Peter’s absence (like maybe he could have been a old associate of Johnny Cuba from his criminal days) and also the fact that it would be dumb to basically store a perfectly working steam engine for 15 years without giving any work (like community service).

@richardthefox3412

6 ай бұрын

Although with the rewrite I would have not killed off Thomas and either have him survived albeit heavily damaged, or swap him getting killed off (preferably instantly) with say Peckett or Sheffield. I personally felt he went too far with killing off a canon character since all the characters he killed off up till now have been OCs and it was then when I decided to leave TSOS.

@richardthefox3412

6 ай бұрын

One more thing: I would have had Shaun at least leave a note explaining why he did what he did, or better still have him be held accountable for his actions and sentenced to death (since it was still around in Britain at the time). I just prefer stories where the villian loses since it’s FAR more satisfying

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

If all the fan theories are to be believed, Thomas isn't "truly" dead. I hope they're wrong. As for the other points on the rewrite, fair enough. They were just suggestions of what could have been, and weren't meant to be 'what absolutely should have happened" ... There's more than one way to equal 4, or whatever they say.

@richardthefox3412

6 ай бұрын

That’s fair, I did like most of your ideas with your rewrite though

While I don't like the whole steam to diesel conversion thing either for the same historical issues that you brought up, it HAS actually been mentioned several times in the series that non-faceless vehicles cannot be scrapped. The season 1 episode Scrap talks about it at length and it does come up from time to time in the series. In fact even in this season it's a major plot point for Barry that as a non faceless vehicles he should never have been sent to the scrapyard in the first place and it has everyone question if any others were accidentally cut up. That being said, season 1 was a long time ago and some people may not have picked up on all the times the legal protections were mentioned in the series, I can only remember a handful myself, so it absolutely should have also been brought up in the episode itself but there was no mention of it whatsoever. There was even talk in season 4 about the government wanting to repeal the protections for non faceless vehicles so this could have been a way to stop them from doing that but again it was never brought up. I feel like Rob should have been like "hey guys so you know how the government says we can't just sell you all off for scrap and buy diesels? Well BR is getting pissed off having to keep all you around and is lobbying to government to remove your protections so I have an idea that might dissuade them and keep you all alive!" That's my biggest issue with this season is technically it does deliver on a lot of stuff Victor set up previously BUT it's not really explained that it was previously set up so you're just kind of expected to make those connections yourself. Like with the whole scrap thing if you're going to call back to something in season 1 we need a little refresher on it so it makes sense.

I can still bet Victor will bring Thomas back somehow as an exact replica of Thomas or something. or he will return like a jinty

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Honestly, I hope it's just Jinty - but they don't use him as an outright replacement FOR Thomas. I.e., don't have the characters immediately forget Thomas and just treat him as if he _was_ him. Remember how they treated Edward when he left Tidmouth?

Your rewrite does something that would have been hyper important in the series, specifically at 48:18, the engines losing their rights. A plot point that was brought up but then completely dropped even though for the mass scraping of engines it would have been perfect, especially for the faceless engines. The law could have allowed scrapping for 20-30 years before being once again inacted and by that point most of the non-faceless engines would have been gone. During this 20-30 year gap, Sodor would remain adamant on not scrapping non-faceless engines unless they absolutely had to aka the final firing.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Damn that woulda been great. Instead we get fuckin SDC.

4:20 If Thunderbolt 1000 Siren Productions does a video on that, I'm definitely going to watch it

I think that SOMEHOW, Victor it's going to pull something like what happened with the New Spider man trilogy. Remember that literally everyone HATED the first two movies. Then someone came up and by the third one, he manage to work the bad aspects of the last two movies, into something, really cool if I'm being honest. I think that something like that could happen. Victor probably will fix some stuff, (At least... I hope so) and even, if Thomas won't return alive to the series, knowing how he handled other characters deads, then... I hope Thomas at least returns as a Ghost. Give him a proper closure, and at least recover from what happened in this season. This season was definitely a downgrade from last seasons, but a good writer knows how to work whit bad stuff. And I think, that Victor it's an amazing writer.

Your original video inspired me to make my very first Sodor Theory video, so I owe you thanks for the motivation. Also, I'm looking forward to this. I've half kicked around the idea of doing season reviews for the series, so it's nice to see someone else do a similar thing. Though, I pretty heavily disagree with your opinion of his edgy humor.

Victor be like:"1965 was a bad year" *proceeds to make a bad season* He killed off so many characters in weak ways, Geoffrey dies and is forgotten, an accident that in previous seasons other engines survived, maybe even survived worse. He kills off Thomas like nothing, the season feels only partially baked. And nothing gets connected correctly, Steam-Diesel Conversion never made sense and it confused it that it was used as a plot point, and it didn't help that Coal is still in the tender (you could argue it's fake or there for aesthetics but that's like putting a car in ). I liked it at the time but man, it's mediocre compared to what came before and it has no improvement from the previous seasons in writing quality.

I have a theory that Thomas isn't dead. I know good' Ol Victor would pull something out of his back pocket.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Please no.

@E2ForLife

6 ай бұрын

​@MilesL.auto-train4013, he's Comfirmed it in emails

@robotx9285

6 ай бұрын

Thomas was literally turned into toasted metal. Half his face was gone. He essentially died like Collin, Lily, Mickey and that military jackass, but he was far enough away to not be totally obliterated like they were.

@stupideronjupiter

6 ай бұрын

Like, they didn't even use black water. Using green water is a way out in the case that Victor wants to bring him back.

@robotx9285

6 ай бұрын

@@stupideronjupiter Dude. Thomas ate an explosion. He's dead. Accept it.

I have personal hopes Victor just retcons the whole season! Start over, write it out better, reshoot and re-upload. We didn't mind the changes we got in the first season, but this one is beyond disappointing

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Well, there's a difference between completely redoing the season and then reconning it all in the next season.

@22Tesla

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 Hmmm true, different terms

I really like this in-depth analysis of Season 5. I still stand by what I said about steam-diesel conversion but I think most of your points -and especially how you'd rewrite the season- are spot on. Granted, I feel more optimistic that Victor will learn from this but I do agree that it's gonna take time before everyone starts simping SoS again.

I was watching this and my view on S5 completely changed, you are so underrated bro. Literally, Victor was just sitting at his chair for a *FUCKING* year and a half just writing the script and thinking some shit ass ideas (No hate to him his writing is way beyond mine). Edit: Also the happy ending just pisses me off, we should of just had Shawn kill himself then it cuts to Thomas’ funeral and the episode ends with a Black and White filter with sad music, maybe I would of actually felt some sadness then.

So is Steam-Deisel conversion Victor's excuse for why the engine still work in the modern day? Because that just raises so many more questions.

You’re chill for liking the series, at least you’re not an extremist who defends his every breath. Top quality vid, I really liked it

To your inquiry as to how to continue the series, I think the best move for Victor at this point is to make a mini series revolving around the reactions to each individual major death that occurred. Episodes could be as follows: 1. The Redeemed (Geoffrey) 2. Guilt of the Past (Pat Clifton) 3. Two Sides to War (Peter) 4. How Leaders Fall (Mr. Zorro) 5. Fallen Number One (Thomas) Would fit the bounds for the mini series, and in the final episode perhaps give us some closure as to what happened to Thomas. It was never said he was scrapped, so..

Peter and Mickey's death broke my heart, especially Mickey who is one of my favourite character's from the Series. I also did not like the scenes without conversations I thought they was over used.

The only reason it is call fallout is to reference Sodor fallout due to the types of injuries Thomas has

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

That has never crossed my mind and I hate you now for planting that thought. Thanks XP

I fully agree with this entire video, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought this season sucked; a small issue I have personally is now off-handeldy mentioned Edward's SDC is, at the end of the episode it's literally just a "i also did that" and it's never touched on, mentioned or any of the like again

I didn’t know CRfan76 returned. Good to you see your doing good brotha💪🏽

Very well thought out and analytical, some may be put off by over analyzing something like this, but honestly I enjoy hearing different perspectives and opinions. Always good to have a variety of thoughts. As for this season, yeah SO many things were introduced and finished before they had any time to breathe. The deaths were very rushed and dumb, there’s little to no huge character development and a lot of moments just felt like copy and pastes of their source material. (Titfield Thunderbolt and Munitions) I thought there was gonna be a lot of build up between Edward and Barry, cause as it’s hinted at and shown in other videos these 2 are married. Now it’s not like I was urgently waiting to see them have deep romantic chemistry or anything like that (that be just weird), but it was at least an intriguing idea I wanted to see explored and give more insight into Edward and how Barry would react and accept it. I don’t think Thomas is dead, if anything it seems like he’s physically turning from 10 Cents to Sea Rouge, maybe after sitting in Barry’s Scrap Yard the same instance with Barry happens to Thomas and he comes back with amnesia and has to wear an eye patch. Also it’s said almost every time a character bites the dust that their remains are taken to scrapyards and melted down, that doesn’t happen with Thomas. And when we see the line of dead engines in the last 2 shots of the prologue there’s no E2 seen.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Where the Hell are people getting the idea that Barry and Edward are gonna hook up lmao, I'm genuinely curious now

@jacksprofessionalproductio9403

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 In the SOS Episode where Brian and Peter come back, Edwards says “females” aren’t his type when he hears Daisy likes him and in the Q&A asking if non faceless vehicles can run for presidential power, it briefly talks about marriage and 4 engines are shown. Reginald and Samantha (who we know are married) and Edward and Barry (who haven’t been established as a couple yet). The ladder might be seen as random, but Victor did give Lady and Diesel 10 names in the short Rival LONG before they appeared in the series. So it naturally to assume Edward and Barry are gonna be together in later seasons.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

@@jacksprofessionalproductio9403 _Oh._

@ianp1745

6 ай бұрын

@@jacksprofessionalproductio9403 The biggest reason why I think Thomas isn’t dead is the scrapyard he is going to, Barry Island. Of all the steam engines sent there, only about 30% of them were actually scrapped (84/297). This is what I am predicting will happen. Once they arrive at Barry Island, Thomas wakes up from his coma. Both Francis and the workmen involved in handling Thomas are spooked by him waking up. News gets out about Thomas still being alive, and someone buys him and restores him to working order. Engines being repaired from the brink of death has already happened twice this season, with both Henry and Barry (not exactly from the brink of death, but from being inactive for 7 years), so Thomas being repaired in theory is not impossible. And Henry’s crash was similar to Geoffrey’s.

@newstarkiller

6 ай бұрын

@@ianp1745 Well it's either this or Jinty comes and replaces him but everyone still remembers Thomas

i feel like victor will treat thomas's death like how they did rick in twd bring him back in the end

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

please no.

@Canadiansteamer43

6 ай бұрын

Victor has said that he will come back

7:14 I find that “show don’t tell” only applies situationally, and the clip you provided will help me prove that point. If your show is made with an intended audience, that barely comprehends how every day life works (like a young child) then you can do what you like. seriously, imagine how silly it would be to apply “show, don’t tell” to Little Einsteins or Dora The Explorer. That being said. Victor’s intended audience is adults. Adults who spend their free time analyzing the workings of complicated machinery. with this in mind, the rule can safely be applied.

You know, going into this I was rolling my eyes cuz I liked season 5 a lot but, you brought up some very good points. The only thing I disagree with is Mickey’s death which I thought was cool but yes it was a reused Henry and Lily moment.

Just remember THE E2 class steam locomotives where scraped in 1963 1964 so he kept the last remaining one and cloned it with a face and a year later he’s no longer here so basically it means he’s the last one of the E2 class steam locomotives

It's funny you mention Rise of Skywalker because this season reminded me of that movie. It was a good story, but painfully rushed. I liked s5 of Stories of Sodor more than you did, but I also think it's the weakest so far. I sense that Victor put too much pressure on himself to complete it faster; even if he'd taken another year, I'd still be there watching. I'm sure I speak for most of his other fans too.

Just outta curiosity, which episode do you think best sums up Season 5?

Can I just say this, I was a big Thomas fan as a child. It was my comfort show, especially being on the spectrum. So, I love seeing fan series on KZread, especially ones (like Victor’s) that tend to lean to the very mature side of things now that I’m in my 20s. I have always enjoyed SOS. And I truly did enjoy this season. I understand the pacing, especially the Training and Munitions episodes. But… I feel like there are people being wayyyyy too hard on Victor for this season. This video included. No offense intended at all, but I don’t understand grown adults having this much intense reaction for a Thomas fan series on KZread. Again, no offense, and I do appreciate the effort put into this video and understand the critiques and upset. But, I feel like Victor’s viewers in general are doing a bit too much. And by a bit… I mean a lot. There were definitely issues with this season and there are numerous episodes in past seasons that eclipse the episodes in this season. I also felt like there were lots of highlights this season, even with its downfalls. Like you mentioned in this video, Thomas & Kate’s reconciliation and friendship as well as the S&M trio retiring were really nice gems. I really did appreciate that episode. I love when we introduce new paint jobs to existing characters and the fact that there’s a fun new little railway on Sodor makes sense. I think, considering this is a fictional fan series, things such as the Steam-Diesel conversion are acceptable. Thomas already exists in its own universe, so it makes sense that Victor’s series takes place in yet another universe, even if it is supposed to be similar to our reality. I don’t think your complaints are “nothing”, but I think it is pretty interesting to be honest. I wish that Edward hadn’t mentioned that he did it himself, because that itself just feels weird. Overall though, I just feel like all series have some seasons that don’t compare to others, but I think Victor’s fans are getting a little too heated about this. Again, no disrespect, but it’s just a little… much. I hope you and everyone who reads this understands where I’m coming from.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Hi - glad you enjoyed Season 5. I disagree with your points. Thanks.

@badmanicpower

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 👍🏼

@spide2424

2 ай бұрын

I agree with this!

I'd say that "Fallout" dropped the ball the most. As a season finale, it fell flat on its rear end and the whole twist about his twin brother was predictable and ended anticlimatically. Though, the bit with engines coming to see Thomas off was an emotional moment for me. Just felt hampered by the fact that the episodes didn't well-paced and the writing has taken a dip in quality as well. I didn't like the abruptness of Peter's death, nor Geoffrey's felt like an insult to his character. "Enthusiasts" was well-written but the entire conflict near the end and the fact that Kate, Emily and Henry were told off for the reckless trainspotter's actions rubbed me the wrong way. James was right to be punished though. (Technically, he committed involuntary manslaughter, so the fact that he wasn't sent to Railgate astounded me.) I liked the focus on the Scottish Twins playing a part into the investigation. Very good display of deductive thinking and drawing every card in the deck to pinpoint who the culprit could've been. Emily's crew being pricks was an unusual choice but I suppose it was realistic too. "Vandalism" was a good opener. But as I said, I didn't like how Geoffrey was killed off. Just felt too sudden. Mickey's death was the only sacrificial one that hurt me the most, the other being Thomas. I'm glad to see that Benson was killed off though. (Good riddance, you bad excuse for a naval engine!). I found the subplot with Neil and his brothers to be a good bit of world-building, bringing in Smokebox Syndrome added an extra layer to how vulnerable the engines are. Steam to Diesel conversion was an interesting subject to delve into as well. All in all, I'll have to give this season a full rewatch before I give my full thoughts. I wouldn't say it was bad. Mediocre to Good at best. Not amazing when it comes to his earlier works. Also, this might be an unpopular opinion but I like his darker sense of humour and shock content. Not a lot of Thomas content creators would have the balls to say the things he does.

Everything you said about "Experiment", I can tell, was ABSOLUTELY true. I really agree with all that was described in your viewing toward it. It IS completely not right for them to do such a conversion, especially when it was already shown to be a failure back then. I really believe that they shouldn't go with making it a thing. At first, I thought that it was a rather good episode, due to nothing really entirely bad happening in it, but now that I heard your overall opinions and explanations of what is messed up about it, I feel like I myself have second thoughts on that episode, which are just about exactly what you mentioned.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

I can't take all the credit for the research. Or any for that matter. That goes to my friend, stephenhawley113. Also, that's exactly the reason people say Experiment was the 'Least Worst' episode of S5, lol. Which, fair I guess, but I'd say that title should go to Training.

@arenjtumastens

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 Training, though, was not a bad episode for me, though. Neither was "Competition". That one was rather funny in quite a few ways.

I reallly liked this review of the 5th season. I’ve seen others but this one is probably my favorite. I was wondering if you could do a review of my second series that is almost done. It would help with the next season.

48:00 I have a feeling that James would do this. We could have a flashback to his best memories with Thomas, and James causes a crash with the express, with a fatality of 3.

Steam-diesel conversions exist, but they're literally just the locos' frames and sometimes cabs being kept, while the boilers and pistons are replaced by diesel engines and motors. Plus, they're incredibly ugly and only happened in certain places, and no engine from those times survive to this day, to my knowledge.

Honestly my only real gripe with s5 is diesel being at brendom docks as even for people that don't watch the season previews, if they watch all the main episodes it cut the tension in half as hes guaranteed to survive another 50 year's

If you're reading this Victor, if you're unhappy with the season maybe you could release extended versions of the episodes just to fill in some of the gaps? But overall, don't worry. It was still an impressive work in many ways and speaking as a writer myself, we all have our misses. Put it this way: SOS s5 is miles better than some of the dreck I've written over the years!

No, it's not overhated. And please don't bring Thomas back. Also ignore GoldenOre131 and the other (toxic) fanboys, there's no reasoning with them.

@MrTerrier673

6 ай бұрын

Honestly true Especially when you consider that all the deaths in season 5 have literally no impact on the story whatsoever, nor are they that emotional considering these characters have not done anything of importance in recent seasons. Mr. Zorros death is the only one I can really say that furthered the story (the bullets leading to them identifying the gun), but apart from that the others deaths are quite literally for shock value.

@chandlerbranchrailfanprodu5928

6 ай бұрын

I mean for the love of Christ, can’t Victor just not make something new if he has nothing good to add? I swear he’s just like Disney now.

@GoldenOne131

6 ай бұрын

Good cuase what you said is disgusting stop hating

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Give your mommy's phone back.

@Tnpt_studios

6 ай бұрын

@@GoldenOne131 what do you mean "disgusting"? Are people not allowed to critisize?

Tbh I don’t mind others dying but I just couldn’t sit right with Thomas dying at all. And hell what you said about the tank not being coupled and I was saying the same thing when the scene played out. If Victor brings back Thomas I’d be happy, but that’s just my opinion. And I do kinda hope less deaths because there seem to be way many in this season. As much as how some characters aren’t in the original Thomas series and all.

Meanwhile, this video gave me a suggestion to rent that season 15 special of thomas called Merry Christmas thomas lmao

The season had aspects that hinted that maybe thomas is in a coma like barry i dont think victor would just kill thomas like that

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

please no.

@Canadiansteamer43

6 ай бұрын

​@MilesL.auto-train4013 Victor has actually sayed that Thomas will come back

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Can you stop responding to every single comment about this

One thing I wish you'd elaborated on was the complete bungling of the "who is the killer" mystery. Robert is obviously clear of any chance of being the killer before even the halfway mark due to his efforts to save Henry, with the IMMEDIATE revelation of Peter's killer not being Mr. Zorro's killer ruining any potential for a red herring and meaning it HAS to be Sean, as virtually everyone correctly guessed by episode four. OF TEN. Furthermore, the idea that the killer is specifically targeting Henry seems to be dropped halfway, despite knowing that he survived the previous attack and clearly being able and willing to cause damage and harm to unrelated parties, yet after blowing up a munitions train Henry is nowhere near, he just offs himself without even trying to take out Henry again? I get that the non-satisfying ending is supposed to be a kick in the sack but not if it goes against a character's entire motivation. Did he just... Give up? Get bored? Decide fate or some higher power had elected to spare Henry and he wasn't going to keep trying to kill him? I also feel like the complete absence of Sean using his identical appearance to his twin brother was wasted potential, as was what I initially misinterpreted as a season with themes of brothers and more specifically twins, thinking Douglas had been killed shielding Donald and possibly Henry and bringing his story arc full circle, though that's admittedly fan-wank based on the initial trailer. Still better than the underbaked crap we got instead...

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

If I may be honest, I completely forgot/didn't realize that it was supposed to be a case of mistaken identity that it was the brother, lmfao. I guess just goes to show how fumbled this season was.

@leokicklighter8287

6 ай бұрын

I listened to this entire video before looking at the original; holy shit, YOU wrote Sabotage? No WONDER you're so upset, you essentially threw a perfect Hail Mary pass and Victor inexplicably tried to catch it with his face.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

@@leokicklighter8287 _Exactly._ And people WONDER why I'm so miffed, lol

Season 5 was a bad season, which even Victor himself has acknowledged. However, it was also the first season not to incorporate any supernatural elements such as the lucky lamp and old bailey, whom in the SCP season, he has explained why they don't really be used anymore. But it also introduced the ability for people to time travel via the standing stones..... so not out of the realms for a supernatural return to occur for thomas.... That said, this season needed better pacing, structure and emotional engagement to tie it all together. Given he scrapped the first iteration of the series, shows he struggled to resolve issues with the storyline. Also i know that he has been involved in various other projects which likely have drawn his attention away from the final product. How to fix it; Hard given everyone's own opinions (not focusing on the hardcore fans rather the critics), but i would think he would need to focus on the aftermath of what happened this season. This is what i think should occur. Early season; BR temporary stands down Sir Topham, bringing in a controller who starts to sideline engines for cost cutting and modernization bringing in desiels, which some work out (Bear, D199, desiel 10, and class 37, and a works desiels) for "trials". Berthram Hatt is introduced working as a BR manager for Scottish Region. After the Sodor council finds out the manager has effectively ruined the effectiveness of the railway, Sir Topham is reinstated, and Duldeys arc occurs.... Mid Season, Sir Topham and the Sodor Council start planning to separate Sodor railways from BR's control as more engines are delayed with maintenance issues. Duldeys arc completed but the non standard desiels who were harrassed by duldey start to fear thier own demise, seeing even desiels start to appear in the scrapyards. D267 decides to be scrapped than be preserved, with dudley being cut up in the background. A court case is started to separate from BR and NWR. Late season, The court case allows NWR to separate but it means that BR cuts from the greater network as a reiterating measure to make the new railway fail.... large amounts of cargo dries up and barrow is reduced to a frieght hub. Many people see Sir Topham Hatt as a villian, and he suffers a personal loss as his wife passes away, and he suffers another mental breakdown. Passenger numbers and reduced frieght means many engines feels that they will be scrapped, but due to a new government whom finds that BR had been swindled by the temporary manager and who had lead for the changes to nonfaceless engines rights to be ignored, reinstates the frieght and passengers, bringing the island back to prosperity. Berthram Hatt is the new controller, and it is discovered that Sir Topham hid the fact that he fought for their rights to be restated but at the cost of this job. Planes and an airport are introduced.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Could use some polishing, but honestly this is what I expected Season 5 to be. I thought we would finally get some hint of the engine's being threatened with the changing times. I love history - and that's one of my favorite aspects of this series. It evolves with the times and shows that evolution. It could have been so much better, but in this season it just feels like it's all been shoved to the sidelines.

@NZHazard

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013, thanks for your comments and placing my own in your video. I prefer series which use their history good or bad to tell good stories... and I love both Richard Jordan's and Buried Trucks stories as they allow for creatively in each for others to tell it in a different way. Mainland Studio's, NWR1991 and many others have used their own history to expand the Thomas and stories franchise. DemonofNowhere's take of Alfred being removed from Sodor and his personal struggles is fantastic as it shows growth of Alfred in a way that no one expects. I'm writing a similar themed idea (mainly to relive mental stress, but may publish it online) where someone has managed to start rebuilding the Sodor & Mainland co in 1985, interacting with engines of Sodor, but introducing some desiel classes and lost steam engines to the island where they will be trying to compete against the NWR company after the aftermath of the NWR separating from BR. However, I have set rules regarding how they have survived, and use ideas from my study of UK & NZ railways history make it believeable to the reader.

thank you for bringing up the show don't tell thing. this is my biggest complaint about this season, it feels so lazy

@TylerBonenfant

6 ай бұрын

nearing the end of the video now, I still don't think I'm going to watch season 6 if there is one. I guess I'm just going to go back to trying to find good ttte horror stories around Halloween and leave it at that

Season 4 was the best Stories of Sodor season, change my mind

To be fair Season 5 is probably getting 10 more episodes like how Season 4 was.

Already commented on the previous video, so I'm just gonna add one thing to do with your points at the end of the video. Benson was killed in that fashion, similarly to Micky's death, to mirror TUGS and the events within Munitions. This however does not make it any better. I would argue that Mickey and Benson have far surpassed their TUGS counterparts and this just comes off as contrivance.

The no dialgoue thing I was noticing a lot because what I would often do with his episodes after seeing them the first few times is just play them in the background. I could easily do that for most of them and enjoy them, but a lot of season 5 has those gaps that I flat out cannot.

@TylerBonenfant

6 ай бұрын

honestly my least favorite part of season five. I could live with everything else, I wouldn't be happy with season five but I could live with it. his overuse of show don't tell just feels so lazy

Victor should’ve done more for the fallout of Peter’s death. I mean one of the main heavy goods engines dies and yet in the next episode it’s like it never happened. How did that not leave a gap in the oil deliveries?! Peter was the engine running the oil trains and now he just dies and nothing happens to the gap in the work load. Hopefully season 6 will be better than the disappointment of season 5. And hopefully in season 6 there is a returning character like Murdoch to run the trains.

Bravo. You basically said everything that I would’ve said about this season. I really love Victor’s stuff. From the first four seasons, to even the Sodor shorts. I personally don’t mind the edgy humor as I have an edgy sense of humor myself. But Season 5 was a rather weak season for all the reasons you mentioned, and the finale was what annoyed me the most. Personally, I think the best course of action would be to remake season 5 and fix all the problems with it. Remove all that stuff that would mess up future seasons like the steam to diesel conversions and Thomas’s death, and add in scenes and dialogue to make the season feel more connected, and make certain events feel more impactful. I would also remove most of the character deaths as certain ones didn’t need to happen, especially Peter’s death since he barely did anything after coming back from railgate. I really wish he would’ve gotten a redemption arc of sorts instead of this. This season had great potential and I would honestly rather see him fix all the problems with it first, rather than move straight along to season 6. I’ll continue to watch his content no matter what, but I won’t be rewatching season 5 anytime soon.

@GoldenOne131

6 ай бұрын

Hater

@TheTrainTheoristOfficial

6 ай бұрын

​@@GoldenOne131Shut it.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

​@@GoldenOne131 Check out a dictionary at your local library, expand your vocabulary, and get a life.

@bentheg9793

6 ай бұрын

I admire you defending him, despite him having a different opinion on edgy humor than you. @@MilesL.auto-train4013

@GoldenOne131

6 ай бұрын

@@TheTrainTheoristOfficial nah YOU shut it 🤡

31:06. Union pacifc 4014 is one of the more recent example of that I can think of. they actually gave it 3985's tender to speed up the process

I do have to agree, with too many filler episodes and the lack of character reactions from deaths that should've been handled better. Victor Tanzig should've spent a lot more time and tried to ask for help from others to help him with some episodes. And you're right, Season 5's nothing but a jumbled mess. I think he should redo it to make it much better!

They have lost all their heavy goods engines, no one's crying about that, how are they going to run, they don't even mention that they need to find replacements. But I think that will be the reintroduction of the orange space ship to they fleet.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Wow, I didn't even realize that. _Yikes._ Woulda ALSO been good to elaborate on the negative ramifications of losing some of your BIGGEST and HARDEST workers.

If Thomas is gone then how victor tazing makes his videos without Thomas

@paisleepunk

6 ай бұрын

two words for ya: BARRY ISLAND (that's where thomas went, and i suspect he will come back after being saved from there)

@greatwestern57

6 ай бұрын

Thomas isn’t the main character is stories of sodor, its an ensemble series

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

@@paisleepunk please no

@GoldenOne131

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 wow hater

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

@@GoldenOne131 Again, stop responding to every single comment. Just learn to cope - not everyone is going to like what you like.

It's very crazy and sad how Victor didn't show the intro in an episode which means shit is getting real. He kept killing or doing worse suffering damage to his characters like geoffery Peter and Thomas mickey (and the Wellsworth and suddrey engines) I have to say that geoffery getting death because of a pipe was wrong. Peter dying because his victim shot him 3 times AND he had metal fatigue caused it speaking of metal fatigue here comes Adam... And Colin died because of sacrificing himself so the fuel tankers wouldn't hurt his friends. Lily died because she saved Henry. Mickey sacrificed himself for Donald/Douglas like Lily did to Henry. Because the Scottish engine broke down but was derailed due to the sacrifice. And then there's Thomas... He got injured by an explosion which made his face burn in half. And to mention Henry's accident him and geoffery killed the driver, fireman, and the brakevan person. It's very depressing.

What names has Victor been called?

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

I've seen 'racist" tossed here and there.

this man is in a steady decline.

@connorwilson8981

6 ай бұрын

Facts

@anotherlegendarysaiyan4171

6 ай бұрын

@@connorwilson8981 We're watching (arguably) one of the best story writers in our community fall and its honestly sad

I have a theory if Thomas is restored after being damaged he will come back to life and seeing as he is going to bary island he’ll probably come to life

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

please no.

@Canadiansteamer43

6 ай бұрын

​@MilesL.auto-train4013, but Thomas is going to come back eventually

The thing with Season 5 that ticked me off like as you put it with Peter and over a gun too ugh then again if the next engine to die would have been Reggie but Thomas out of all engines but then this hit me what if this entire season happened when they could get the treatment Mr Star got of his revival that could happen but yet probably could revive the engines who died and mr zorrow or whoever else if so then they would have to find something Supernatural to save those engines but the only twist is they will still have those memories from before

@fanofeverything30465

6 ай бұрын

I thought Reginald was going to be the next one to die

Chill guys, Victor STILL worked hard on this; even if the season wasn't as good as before. Come on, we're all better than that. Be a little nicer about your critiques.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

I'm afraid that's not how this works.

@LittleOwl2003

6 ай бұрын

I’m on the fence about this to be honest. On one hand, this is fan content after all and this is one person’s creative vision that is being ripped apart simply because he had the balls to make his vision public. However, Victor does this full time, meaning he should have more time and resources to fully complete and refine the series and the fact he rushed 12 mediocre 15 minute episodes with little to no development is a slap in the wrist especially considering the hype and anticipation surrounding this season. But good on you for recognising that this is someone’s creative vision and should be somewhat respected despite the circumstances ^^

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

​​@@LittleOwl2003 There's merit to what you are saying, yes. The distinction to be made is that 'Victor was rushed by his fans" is not a valid excuse to put out something sub-par. And the criticism comes from fans who enjoyed the series and only wanted the best for it, so to see it fumbled so badly is a letdown to your audience and those who defend it, despite the glaring flaws. Victor is not under any contract or absolute obligation to make the series, as some have said, he is not a studio. He has full control of his stuff. So the result of the product being bad is his fault and his alone. I'm not saying that to attack him, not at all. But it's the truth. HE made the script, HE recorded it, HE edited it, HE uploaded it. So, to those defending him with terrible excuses (looking at you, Zanchu001) or their own personal biases are only doing more harm than good.

@LittleOwl2003

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 I never said anything about Victor being rushed by anyone. I’m saying there’s still a reason he continued making this season and started doing KZread full time. What that reason is is a question only he can answer. Everything has motivation behind it, so whether Victor produced such a sub par season because of lack of motivation or creative choice is something that we cannot answer. All we can critique is how it came across to us and you thankfully made it clear it’s not an attack on Victor which honestly is the type of miscommunication that has destroyed the Thomas community which I personally believe Victor has played a part in but that is neither here nor there. Everything has choices behind it, it’s a matter of how aware you are of it, and it just appears from an audiences’ point of view that zero thought was put into it, that’s all we can do

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

​@@LittleOwl2003Wasn't meant to be a remark about you or anything you said - I was utilizing the opportunity to clarify the bigger picture of said defense.

Can someone tell me why the f#"* the express coaches are non-corridor ones? Okay, nice reference to The Mohawk That Wouldn't Quit.

The video is way better than the original more ranting one. Though I will say the irony is that the entire video could have been built around the central issue which causes all these sub-points to be more noticable and in kind more "destructive" to the story telling and that main central point is Pacing. Pacing of the stories has caused essentially the distortion and outright warping of all other points mentioned cause there is not time to explain, rationalize and just both show and tell what the heck is going on. Like a big issue many have is the steam diesel conversion. Which is ironically not the most outlandish thing to historically distort to make sense in this "alternate world" of ours. Let's not forget there is literally a whole series where the engines are practically a pseudo combat unit, something which logistically and militarily makes no sense. Even during World War 1 the use of trains, while more common in the cases of narrow gauge, was still used purely for logistics and very direct and limited forms of troop and supply efforts to central hubs in the overall front. As for the "death" of Thomas, anyone who watched the episode Fallout a 2nd time and a vague understanding of British rail history can easily see that a reasonable conclusion is that due to the intense situation of the literal face of the railway and subsequent children's series being dead, not only that but a friend to many for over so many decades was critically injured, they likely overdid the green water. Derrick does state in rather a calm manner that "he didn't suffer, we filled him to the brim with green water to ensure he was comfortable". So this is what is the most likely course of events that happened with Thomas and what most reasonably could happen in the future. Thomas trying to get the tanker as far away as possible from his friends misjudges the distance he's gone and the tanker overheats locking the brakes, getting this sign and feeling the heat Thomas tries to run but was too late in this realization and is blown from the tracks and severely scorched and scarred from the heat, blast and likely impact to the ground. He's found after the main fire is dealt with, in the process moving him he is shaken awake, extremely fatigued he's only able to just open his eye. In this sudden shock they rush him over to Crovan's Gate works and immediately get to work on him, overfilling him with green water to make sure he's in as little pain as possible they work on him while the docks is being rebuilt. Eventually they get to a milestone in trying to restore him however when they go to drain the green water they likely only got whatever base amount is usually in the system as such they've indirectly induced a green water coma causing Thomas to not wake or react when they go to check his direct status. Thomas is proclaimed dead and everyone that wants to see Thomas off and just be there for the "final time" pay respects and watch as Francis takes Thomas away to Barry Island Scrapyard. The island will recover and eventually will attempt to move on in a variety of ways engines and people who were friends with Thomas will attempt to cope. Eventually the preservationist movement will sweep the nation like it did in our reality and reach Barry Island Scrapyard. In the efforts to save old and left to rot steam engines some of these people may start climbing around engines and eventually start climbing around and checking Thomas out, the amount of time passed would allow for natural evaporation of any green water or fluids in general in Thomas's system cause essentially a more shocking version of what happened to Barry in Rescue, due to the state of Thomas there are many doubts about what can actually be done about him, however with the amount of time passed many metallurgic and other technologies have advanced at quite a pace, these would be used to bring Thomas eventually back to working order. Now as for the specifics about how he's eventually rebuilt brought back into a serviceable status is up to the story telling as there are a couple of ways to branch out such an event. But yeah in the end, pacing was the main problem with this season in general which compounded creating every other issue which arose. Thomas's "death" is a shock considering he's a Audrey character however this understanding as well as historical and in episode contexts allows us to rationally understand the likelihood and reason for Thomas to not be truly gone.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

A. And people are saying _I_ was overanalyzing XP B. Don't bring Thomas back, period. C. Until ANY of that is put into the series, it's non-canon. D. You know there were real engines that served in WWII, right? While Victor's is exaggerated, it's still more plausible (but just barely) than SDC. Also, never said Stories of War was good or that I fully agreed with having Thomas and them serve in that capacity.

@thewildwegonian92

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 First point, people say you're over analyzing cause of the subject matter, it's funny talking trains and so supposedly you should just take it and "like it". Which I disagree as everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I think you make a lot of valid points, but they can just be traced back to an origin point which is the pacing and run times of the series. 2nd point, that's not going to happen and you know it, the context is to obvious and Victor has already given a slight hint with the "no spoilers" youtube comment you put in your video. While a similar position as Arthur is possible, the likelihood of exactly what happened with Arthur and his "doppleganger" is impractical due to the the fact of the E2s in general so it's either going to be how I laid it out to some effect or it's going to be a new build type locomotive for his class like how a lot of the new projects are coming about in the UK and US these past 5ish years. 3rd point, discussions about anything on the series is not canon, it's speculation and opinion, so this is more of a nothing point and it's just indirectly giving attention to those that want to be conflict seekers over semantics. 4th point, yes armored trains were a common thing is ww2 and in ww1, however they weren't many and they were impractical since it drew unnecessary attention to the very same infrastructure that most heavy logistics needed. Even the famous examples of the armored trains in Russia during ww2 were only really good in the moment before the infrastructure was targeted and either the train was destroyed or forced back cause it didn't prove to be strategically useful. Besides that most armored trains carried independent cars that has either infantry based field guns or were literally just tank tops slapped onto a metal boxcar as a mobile gun position. Victor's portrayal of the engines being a combat unit only has stuff that references Dora from its use against the English coast and in the main naval city in the Crimea to counter ship gun bunkers that were defending it. The only other major reference those guns have would be the Paris guns the Germans used to fire massive shells occasionally at Paris during ww1 from some 14km away. So when you look at a historical and overly serious perspective, yeah the Stories of War mini season is arguably the most outlandish thing in the entire series as a whole.

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

​@@thewildwegonian92 That was rhetorical and I was referencing something else but cool 👍 Also I dunno, I'd hardly call constructive criticism a 'nothing' point. Almost sounds like you're putting words in Victor's mouth.

season should have started with thomas's death to get a clearer emotional picture and have the other deaths happen after making the season a murder mystery

I agree that the season could have been executed a little better but about steam-diesel conversion - I was wondering if that would be how Victor explained Sir Toppham running a railway with so many steam engines despite the impending coal shortage and increasing pressure to reduce CO2 emissions?

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

How is that even a defense?

@cameronbradley3679

6 ай бұрын

@MilesL.auto-train4013 I wasn't defending it, that was just my theory as to where the show is headed, and I wanted to hear people's thoughts.

I have to say I came onto your video expecting to be quite critical but you raised some very good points and your recreation I think is a lot better than season 5 but a few critiques I have is Peter is killed with 9 mm Luger not parabelum rounds and that steam to diesel conversion was relatively common in new Zealand however it took a much different form than the one presented in season 5 where steam locomotives were stripped of their boilers cabs and cylinders and they were replaced with a diesel engine and appropriate body and as a diesel mechanic myself who has worked on both steam locomotives and various types of diesel engines I agree with what you said about victors portrayal of sdc it’s incredibly hard to do and the cost would be prohibitive

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

Fair enough - like I said, I don't know weapons enough. Still, a good perspective to consider. I woulda gone into specific detail about the 'real' SDC projects in history, but I thought the Kitson-Stills project was enough for the context.

Victor has a lot of work to do to get the trust back after Season 5, and I mean a TON! Damage control never works well, and take it from Disney and their failures in 2023. If Victor is going to make Season 6, he needs to make sure to take his time and think it out. There’s a lot to unpack after Season 5 and that gotten a lot of people to distrust him, but after seeing his previous seasons before, he can make a good story, but like I said before, he’s got a ton of work to do

I think for Thomas, they would probably make a replica of him when the TVS of Thomas becomes successful, same shell, same face, probably sound the same but a little different from his original predecessor, and of course, his name. The only thing that is different from the original Thomas, is that he won't remember any of his friends because he's not THE Thomas they know and loved

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

That sounds campy af

@j.j2998

4 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 I know, but to be honest, if Victor was about to bring back Thomas from literaly getting burned alive, how the fuck did geoffrey died from that tube in episode 1

@MilesL.auto-train4013

4 ай бұрын

Fair enough

@j.j2998

4 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 All I can say is this series is in trouble, and would get even worst after this season, unless he changes his theme back to season 1. I already stopped watching Stories of Sodor and Unsubscribe Victor Tanzing

Season 5 has more random deaths than a lord of the rings book

It kinda feels like victor just killed fan favourite characters to brew publicity

The thing I'm most upset with is not what they did, but what they didn't. we have been getting teased by the arlesdale railway since season 1 and if we just got some breather episodes, maybe we could have had ANYTHING from it.

If being silly in the comments is allowed, every time I hear the name Benson in this video, I keep thinking of an ill tempered gumball machine trying to motivate a blue jay and a raccoon into getting ready for the day's work instead of the copper colored B12. Putting that aside, I think you managed to give an excellent critique of this season. It took me a while to really think about what was wrong. But upon reflection, this was indeed the weakest link in the Stories Of Sodor. Experiment was indeed where I jumped ship. That was just...ugh!

@MilesL.auto-train4013

6 ай бұрын

*F I R E D* Can you believe some people are trying to defend SDC? I had one try and say 'it makes sense because of Tobias and the Half Pariah!!1!"

@NessWithABeard

6 ай бұрын

@@MilesL.auto-train4013 You know, I was also thinking about Tobias And The Half Pariah when you were discussing that. The only reason I can imagine something like that would work in that movie is the simple fact that Tobias was a film that was made specifically for entertainment. It didn't care what was real and what isn't. You were there for the thrills and the spectacle. Putting that aside, allow me to add that if they want to argue that such a conversion worked in Tobias then converting diesels to steam would too. It happened to the Half Pariah, didn't it? But I doubt that would be just as likely as the whole "Oh, let's turn the steamer into a diesel. *Pop* Every problem solved." No. There's only so many hurdles you can jump before the magical realistic story just becomes full on fantasy.

I agree with everything said here.