Do you agree with my analysis? Are the 7th and 8th picks mistakes? Let me know below! I'll respond to as many comments as possible!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

@Zoe Lang Indeed! Hurray to you for paying attention!

@OkabexKurisu

3 жыл бұрын

First spot is even a strong mistake I think. You need to take the 4 8 10 as first. Agreed with the 5th spot. Disagree with the road on the 4th. To stay actually competetive vs these strong ore wheat players he had to hope for some ore at the 11. He shouldve put the road on the 5th downwards to the 4sheep if he place that spot. and well. 7th spot is crazy. Even 3 6 11 all on sheep would be better and 8th spot is just a complete blunder.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

@@OkabexKurisu I think the first spot I would take the 8-4-10. I'm pretty very careful in my wording in general for this matter. I don't want to directly call it out as a mistake since there are a lot of strong reasons to go on the 5-8-10. I think the 4th position on this board is the most interesting. There are a lot of different options for 4th and surprised no one has suggested any. To me, the 7th pick makes sense and at least he has a plan. The 8th pick is... yea.

@joostopteynde4975

3 жыл бұрын

I think the first position actually makes sense if you place out the rest of the board. And he indeed ended up with a great spot for settlement 8, he just didn't take it.

@OkabexKurisu

3 жыл бұрын

@@DyLightedCatan yes there are reasons for 5 8 10, but the 4 8 10 is just so much stronger. and there are many options (e.g. 3 6 9 plus 3 6 11) for red sure but 5th spot on 2 9 10 would be best position for him to go for. 7th pick is crazy in that sense to go for that move in a final round. It's way to risky with options like both 3 6 11's to go full ows. well 8th pick is an emotional pick I think. It wasnt thought through because he didnt expect the 9 12 from white. edit: sorry I am german. I try to point out the mistakes directly, but of course I can be wrong, too.

I need someone to tell me why this was recommended and someone else to tell my why I watched and enjoyed the whole thing lol

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Haha thank you! I do this full time and post every week so make sure to subscribe :)

@maxim9875

3 жыл бұрын

THC

@greedow

3 жыл бұрын

idk... can you tell me why this channel was recommended to me today, but wasn't recommended like 2 years ago when I was basically binge watching board game channels? the youtube algorithm is weird :p

@StevenQDeadrock

3 жыл бұрын

But why did you watch it to the end....now it was recommended to me. Even worse now that I've watched it to the end how many more people will have this video recommended to them??

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

@Qualquer gamer I didn’t have my channel back then!

You really went out and roasted some world champions, and I fully support it

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣 Hahaha I’m not too sure on how to respond to this. Thanks I guess?

@jhozthron4415

3 жыл бұрын

Roasted? Its always easy talking afterwards when you had an infinite time to analyze every play.

Thanks for the analysis Dylan. And I pretty much agree with everything. Please do it for the entire game and feel free to ask me everything 😊 I still would pick 9-12 every day. The only thing I regret is that I bought two dev cards at some point when I should have built a city - and actually made a rookie mistake by paying for both at once instead of one at a time. What one or two guys mention in the comment is that you totally forgot about that ore port. Imo it makes up for the lack of brick and made me comfortable I would have won the race against Quetzal. I also predicted that he only would try to compete for that sheep if he had all 6 resources needed in one turn. Else he would have pointed his third road elsewhere, going for the grain- or a 3:1-port. And as you point out yourself somewhere around 14:00 It would be “most likely that white wins the race.” It was a gamble and it didn`t pay off. But if you want to compete at this level you must take chances sometimes. And that could be another lesson to some of the people here, who are arguing about the poor decisions in this game and the “poor players”. I played 1000+ games IRL. Of Markus (red) I know that it was his second Worldcup! And he qualified in Germany! So relax a little please if you haven’t yet played with 50+ people around a table watching your steps 😉 *not to forget the 13 people who watched the live stream.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Jan! Thanks for commenting! I think if I was Orange, I would probably hold a road if I ever got it to potentially take the 6-3-11. But you’re still right that committing a road is dangerous for orange. Overall I liked the plan but didn’t like the risk for the reward. You’re right you get the ore port, but generally the ore port is one of the worst ports in the game. Porting for ore is always painful, but I guess it can be an exception if you win the race. I totally understand you mean about playing in front of a lot of people! Whenever I do live streams I play 3X as bad and it’s a lot harder for me to focus. Lastly, If I had to be a bit honest, putting up the 9-12 serves better for clicks 😝.

@lostinkbh

3 жыл бұрын

@@DyLightedCatan Yeah, but the one thing that bugs me is that you totally overlook that port. If Catan is a numbers game (something I actually don´t believe in but that could be the topic for another thread) I would get a brick around every 10th roll. That should be enough to secure the spot, you and most commenters wants me to take in the first place, after only 3 or 4 rounds. Maybe it would slow me down but you know that being behind everybody else isn´t such a bad thing as you can fly under the radar. Somebody here picked out that Orange would have been in the best position no matter where José and I build our 2nd settlements and he is right. That is why defensive play would have been completely wrong, and I really don’t understand why you or anybody are suggesting that. In the semi final (sadly enough they chose to stream that 3 hours thing instead of our very interesting match) I made two decisions where the audience oohed and aahed like they did when I placed on that port cause they didn´t understand it. The two decisions gave me the victory over Ryo from Japan who was the top player after the first 4 rounds. If you want to win IRL you must take some chances. This is not casual online gaming. That is why I chose the 9-12. That took me 2 seconds to decide and 2 years later I am still convinced. PS: Really good video; mighty smooth editing!

@Ohrami

Жыл бұрын

It is objectively a bad play to pick the 9/12 and DyLighted went through many of the reasons why in this video. One of the reasons he didn't even mention is the 1/6 chance that blue rolls a 7 and he will definitely rob you since you getting that spot is pretty horrible for everyone. That means a guaranteed 1/6 that your game is almost definitely ruined and you can't win, even if he does go 5/4/11. You continuing to disagree that it's a poor move is just you choosing to be wrong.

@jozokrstanovic9040

Жыл бұрын

I'm quite a newbie, can somebody explain why settling the 6-11-12 and pointing road towards the ore port doesn't work? Sounds like an inverted situation.

I think blue just got caught up in the excitement. Sitting at home, thinking about this logically, yeah the 4-5-11 is clearly far superior. But in the heat of the moment, with the crowd egging him on, I reckon he just couldn't resist the allure of the 6-11-12.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if that was part of the reason why he went there!

@weckar

3 жыл бұрын

It's not that unnatural to jump for the red numbers either.

I have never heard of Catan in my life but it looks interesting

@chromiyum6849

3 жыл бұрын

Dude, you have to try it! Its so addictive game, my family plays it at least 4 times a week lmao. And one game takes about 2 hours.

Alright I've had a few of your videos recommended to me. I've never played this game before. But I've watched a few of your videos and finally have decided to subscribe. You being passionate about this game, having really good editing and explanations for the game have won me over.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard! Thank you so much! I truly appreciate it.

Man, Markus really had a tough position to place as pos 4 this game. 3 strong spots and then there's just nothing good left. Still he made the best of it. Must be super frustrating to be handed such a shitty position and then see your opponents completely mess up their placements.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

4th position is a tough one for sure! I can imagine Markus being quite frustrated for sure. Though there are quite a lot of creative options for 4th. Try to see if you can think of any!

@DanielSong39

3 жыл бұрын

Point towards the desert and build on the 5-10, you still have a chance

@gunnarandersen6570

3 жыл бұрын

@@DyLightedCatan My first instinct was to go 8-3 port along with 6-5-9 (and obviously point towards the 5-10 with increased wheat production. This way you will get good production on 4 of the 5 resources and you will be trading or porting for brick. I would be quite optimistic about my chances, frankly.

@Max_Griswald

3 жыл бұрын

@@gunnarandersen6570 - That was my thought for Red as well.

I have watched many of your videos out of entertainment and have unknowingly picked up so many strategies. I sometimes hear your voice in my head when I notice mistakes my opponents make haha. Awesome content!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Haha I’m so glad I could help you out Annie!

Great stuff man, the quality really shows!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I put a TON of time into this one.

Don't know anything about Catan so I can't make my own analysis or anything but I really love your videos, it's super interesting and educational even though I know next to nothing about the game! Keep up the good work =)

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much! Glad you like them! I really tried to make this video a bit more beginner friendly :).

Excellent analysis. Catan is one of my favourite games, but I haven't played it in years; although, watching this video really makes me want to play it again.

Great video and analysis! I love the editing and in-depth info that you give! Keep the good work up dyl!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Much appreciated! I'll do my best!

holy shit wtf? I didn’t know how big this game actually was to have a world championship... me and my family got into it during recently and it’s a freaking amazing game

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

It totally is an amazing game! It’s full of depth and strategy! Subscribe if you want more content like this :)

@ze-phyr1780

3 жыл бұрын

google is hearing you...

your videos are showing up in my recommended and I love it and making sure to tell all of my friends

I love the edits! Looking super professional man.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It looks like my hard work is paying off!

This was a very well made video! The points were well thought out and well delivered. I was excited to see your upload in my subscription feed. :)

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I really tried hard to make this video as organized and professional as possible. Thank you for watching :)

Your videos keep getting better and better! Great job.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate it man! I’m doing my best!

i remember watching this game, it was one of the most painful experiences of my life

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Some choices were certainly unique indeed!

@martinmevald8766

3 жыл бұрын

Actualy the video you analyze was one of my first videos i watched, because i didnt knew you and i just googled "catan championchip" and half of the video i was like "wtf how those people can be champions? Even my younger sister plays better". Im glad you pointed out those mistakes. I personaly think then even the first pick is mistake and i would go 8/10/4 OWS first (lower production but strong devcard game and i can live without those bricks..). Just my opinion

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

@@martinmevald8766 In general I don't think the Catan tournament scene is very developed, which is part of the reason why I made my channel. I think as my channel gets bigger, the competitive scene will get better and bigger too. Thanks for the comment!

I don't know if you took my advice but this video was paced very well. It seemed like you took the anxiousness and turned it into excitement for those crazy placements. Now this is a channel I can get into.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I certainly did keep your comment in mind when making this video! I appreciate the feedback you leave me!

I dont really think that 7 bad a bad choise at all. He had an ambitious plan that had a chance of winning. I do 100% agree that 8 was a wrong choice

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting! I think that 7 made more sense than pick 8, but overall I still believe it’s too risky. It makes a lot of sense what he was going for, but I still disagree. However, that’s what the comment section is for! And yes, I also agree with you 8 is 100% a mistake.

@miguelmorais501

3 жыл бұрын

Yea I think 7th position was not that bad! It was a bit risky but without that risk he couldn’t beat orange OWS game! 8th position was just a huge mistake and Although his low 10 wheat compared to the 8 ore he could‘ve problably win because of his strong brick!

@user-gs6uo7mp8d

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@scikick

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. 7 is also okay because that's 2:1 ore which he could use to get brick.

@NoisqueVoaProduction

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, the port helps a lot to get the variety of resources he is needing. He can get massive piles of rocks and build cities. The bad thing it is that it is much reliable of the 8 for rocks, so he needs to think about production of other resources before being focused by other players. If he had won the race he would also have a great sheep production, which means a lot of cards that can take the burglar out of its squares and 2 points for biggest cavalry

Thanks man, your videos are really helping me to improve. I've usually been the loser in game nights, but just won two games in a row!!

Very interesting analysis, it always helps me learn more about catan strats!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! I appreciate the comment too!

Thank you delighted for making this video

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching! I appreciate you for commenting!

I love this game! Super cool to see an analysis of it, tbh I didn’t even know there were tournaments :)

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mary! Not too many people knew about the scene and it’s super cool to see it grow!

keep up the good work more than happy to watch n learn from ur content

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate your support! I’m only going to be doing more in the future!

As 4th position, I would lock down the 9 wheat by placing on the 2/9/10 (road to the 6 wood) and the 3/4/9 (road to the 8 ore). 1. Racing for the brick port is unwise, as you're last to roll. You explained well all the ways you lose the race. 2. It is unlikely that the other players settle on the 8/3 coast. Everyone is already on an 8 ore! 3. This sets you up for a mediocre road game. 4. With the 5/9 wood tiles, it is unlikely both coastal 6 wood spots get taken. This means you can wait a bit to settle on the 6 wood, since your placements section off the top left side. 5. The 8/3 + 3:1 port is a MONSTER 3rd settlement spot. Allowing a road player to get up cities quickly, which can be hard. Early cities makes up for your low early production. 6. Lots of open settlement spots on the coast, great for a road player. 7. Strong wheat to trade with blue, by locking them out of the 9 wheat. 8. Sharing the 8/3 with white may help keep the robber off the 8 ore in the mid to late game. Mediocre sheep and brick? Kinda bad, for a road player. But better brick than Orange and White. Weaknesses 1. No wood outside of the starting road in hand, which is VERY vulnerable to the robber. Low wood makes the early to mid game tough. 2. If anyone places on the 6 wood, this position loses half its strengths. 3. Blue is poised to play a strong road game and has stronger production early, making it possible they snowball faster than you can catch up. 4. Total of 17 "dots" worth of starting production. That's weak to average starting production. 5. Someone could take the 8/3 and you basically lose the game. 6. Poor city quality. 7. Building a city on the 8 ore in the mid game will attract the robber. This setup needs cities to make up for low production. 8. Allows white access to a 6 sheep spot, putting them in a great spot to play OWS. You won't be building lots of dev cards, so its up to the other players to contest them.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Wow! Great analysis and well written. As you already noted, I think the biggest issue is the poor city quality. I really like the idea and concept you're trying to get at, but I think a slightly better variation of your setup is the 5-6-9 and the 3-4-9 headed towards the 8 wheat. Another option is the 3-6-9 and the 5-6-9 which is a bit weird, but if you are going to do this then you have to trade HARD for brick and get on the 8-3 asap. The reason for this setup is defensive play and you lock out most of the wood. Keep in mind you can induce a race once again. By not taking the 2-9-10, you allow your opponents to have the free road option Now they can choose if they want to race. And if someone does choose 2-9-10, there's another open spot for the brick. More brick in the game means higher demand for wood.

Amazing video as always. Keep it up. The 8th pick is the most minds boggling to me

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Indeed, the 8th pick was quite mind boggling. I think most people in the room was quite surprised.

You are such a nice guy and an amazing catan player!!! Good job! Great video!!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks so much for this video !

Oh I have watched this final on youtube before, excited to see your analysis!!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!!! I hope you enjoy it :)

@nabalienalien

3 жыл бұрын

@@DyLightedCatan I did! The extra effort put into this video really shows. I hope the youtube algorithm gods bless you again haha

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

@@nabalienalien Thank you! Hahaha that's what I'm really hoping for! My last video like this did super well and I'm hoping to recreate it!

editing is smooth, makes it even more enjoyable to watch

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Most of the time on this video was spent editing, so I’m really glad the hard work paid off!

I see your passion for this game my friend. I will do my part to support your endeavour towards making this a full time career. Have my Like, comment and subscription.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Tiger. This means the world to me.

Thrilling stuff! Made it now into a habit that instead of watching a 45 min show I'm doing a catan session. When I was younger me and my friends each bought one expansion pack to have the uber setup, but the classical one is still the most fun.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! And hahaha I totally get you on the Catan session. Slowly I was replacing things I do in life with more Catan sessions.

Love these analysys

Great video!

Your insight that you are only hurting one player - the player who would have won the race - is amazing. More than that, you are helping the players who would have lost the race, who don't waste resources on eg useless roads, or opportunities to steal from the strongest player.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Yes this! I totally agree and glad you understand. Thanks for the comment!

I recently found your channel and it you deserve more subs

Hi, DyLighted. Thank you for your great, high quality videos. Regarding the game and the decisions, all four are strong and proven players. The real strength of a player shows when she/he is in an adverse situation where no obvious good choice can be made. I like your more advanced reasoning such as "induce your opponents to race each other".

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It takes a lot of time to do these but they are incredibly rewarding when I see everyone's feedback. Thank you so much for watching.

Great analysis.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate it!

My sisters and myself ADDICTED to this game; our whole extended family been playing since my own kids were able to roll a dice when they were about 5 years old...we are nearing 60...and still playing strong! Competitive? You Bet! My husband won't play as it is way too stressful and full of angst!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha so glad to see so much passion for this game! Thank you so much for sharing. It seems like such a fun family!

I've seen troll moves but usually it's for a 2:1 port with at least 7 points of production paired with a resource that you have at least 5 of. Getting the initial port is strong, at least strong enough to forgo ~2-3 points of production.

Big Brain stuff right here, ladies & gents. Many lessons to be taken from this video. Take notes!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahah thank you Hayden! There's definitely a lot to be learned from every game, but especially this one.

I don't hate the 7th pick as much as you do. With an ore port, a road and good OWS+1 of wood/clay you give yourself a chance. I mean, it looks like he didn't even do that poorly on the finished board. I'm assuming he had d cards, was at least in the largest army race + whatever VP he got from d cards. When he gets the 6/11/12 like he should have (more on the 8th pick next paragraph) he becomes extremely strong and the favorite to win. Orange is a problem but Orange is a problem anyway. Let red and blue (who absolutely should have picked 4/5/11) fight for the longest road. It's a higher variance pick then 4/5/11 but if he gets 6/11/12 and the sheep port he's in the drivers seat. Two 2:1 ports with 7+ equity of said resource = great chance of winning. Oh and the potential race with Orange, a bit worrisome but again it's high varience. Orange doesn't have any clay so he's not in a great position to race either and if I was him I'm building towards the coast anyway. 8th pick is a disaster for every reason you said. The most important rule of Catan is making sure your game fits together. His doesn't, at all. What was he thinking? That the clay port will act as his wheat? His clay isn't even that strong and he's going to need them because he needs the road to have any shot at winning. That he'll be able to trade for some wheat? I know i'm not giving him any of my wheat if im any of the other 3 unless it's a great offer. He needs trades to win and that's a bad strategy. He has to be good to be in that spot but Jesus what a choke.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Well written. Truthfully I don't think the 9-12 is that bad either, I just think it's a sub optimal option. You pointed out perfectly why the 9-12 still can work. Also, yea I really don't have much to add on the 8th pick. My thoughts exactly.

I always say you have to help yourself first and foremost, screwing someone else's opportunity up with a move that offers yourself little benefit is not a smart play most of the time. I can see the logic of pick 7 somewhat, still don't think it was optimal, but that last pick was absolutely silly. Good analysis.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Agreed with what you said.

Here's why I would say he picked the 9/12, in this order of importance (entered before I heard his reasoning): 1. It's a 2:1 on his 3 way tie for 8 Stone 2. It provides 2nd best Wood production number on the board 3. It is the ONLY option to have both Wood and Brick possibilities for roads other than the 2/5 Harbor for Brick 2:1 -- WHICH would have been an even LARGER "poke in the eye" in my opinion(!), as it cuts off BOTH players 1 and 4, and you point towards the 6 to improve wood later! ...but of course, having a 2:1 for an 8 Stone, is better than a 2:1 for a 5 Brick... BUT, you would have heard an even LARGER GROAN!!! 4. It sets up a race for 6/11/12, which would give him best production of Wool in the game, and add more Stone with the 11 for the 2:1 5. The race in #3 cuts off Player 4, always a good thing in my book.

I liked the 9-10-11 pick over 2-9-10, because it locks the 10-stone field for a third settlement, making brick even more scares/valuable during the game, and give more trade options.

Love the video and the analysis! What do you think makes these players make these mistakes at this high level of competition? They're clearly great players to reach this stage of the biggest tournament, so what gives? Heat of the moment makes them try the "risky" move that hurts their opponents instead of going through their process and placing well? Keep up the good work!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Good question! I think overall the competitive scene is still a bit underdeveloped which is why I started making these videos. To give some context, other smaller countries don't host regional tournaments, only a single National tournament. Even at the national Catan tournament, there may only be 20-30 people. So therefore you don't have to be very good to win nationals if you're located in a country where Catan isn't very popular. I think post Covid-19 the Competitive Catan scene in general is going to be a lot more strategically and become a lot more popular.

Thank you for this. I agree that 8 was probably the biggest mistake as an individual to make since, as you said, that they would compete against each other. 7 could have done it, even with low production, but it’s just as he said, it’s a bold move.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment! I think it’s slightly too risky for the return reward, but overall I understand his plan and why he went there. And I agree with you - pick 8 is 100% a mistake.

Keep those videos coming! Always looking for the notifications!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Will do! Thanks for having the notifications on! Performing well in the first 24 hours of a video seriously helps!

Man ive played catan before abd nevee thought this game would have had a competitive scene. I honestly have a two emotions when i watch your videos since i found them. 1 you really love the game 2 This dude needs to chill but thats what makes the video good is how much you care

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I absolutely love and adore this game - so much so I’m trying to make a living off of it. Thank you for watching my videos and supporting me. Seriously.

Great video Dylan! I really agree with your analysis. What are your thoughts on 693 and 569 as fourth position?

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

I like it a lot. Here's what I said to one of my viewers when asked directly. "Something slightly riskier I would do is the 3-6-9 and the 5-6-9 which is a bit weird, but if you are going to do this then you have to trade HARD for brick and get on the 8-3 asap. The reason for this setup is defensive play and you lock out most of the wood which gives you strong trade options. It seems crazy doing Wood Wheat Sheep only but it works if you can get the 8-3. It also seems so weak you shouldn't be getting blocked at the beginning. By not taking the 2-9-10, you allow your opponents to have the free road option. Essentially you can induce a race here if your opponents choose to race. And if someone does choose 2-9-10, there's another open spot for the brick. More brick in the game means a higher demand for wood. It's also important to note for this setup to work it's essential that whoever is on the 5-8-10 is a loose trader and is willing to trade you bricks."

Unpopular opinion here for the first pick, but I actually would take the 5-8-10 instead of the 8-4-10 OWS. There are quite a few outs with either strong wheat or strong wood, and the brick port with that much brick is VERY strong, as it can be used flexibly for any strategy, whether it be longest road or largest army. With that much brick and the brick port, not having wheat is fine, especially because you can get NICE brick trades, especially early, from all 3 players as it's so rare on the board. What ended up happening, the 5-4-11 being open, is a monster setup that allows first to get all 5 resources (after expanding to the 5-10 on the desert) and have the very useful brick port. Another reason I'd take the 5-8-10 is because looking at the board, the 8-4-10 and the 8-4-3 on the other side are essentially the same spot, except 8-4-3 is one point less sheep. If I take 8-4-10 first, then 2nd likely takes the 8-5-10, which leaves 3rd/4th position the 8/4/3. Relative to first position, they only lose out on one production point of sheep (really not that big of a deal) and get to place their 2nd settlement 2 or 3 spots before first can, resulting in a much better overall setup! Even worse is if 2nd takes 8-4-3 after first takes 8-4-10, and at the cost of 1 point of sheep, they get to place one spot before you, which isn't that big of a concern. But 3rd getting the 8-5-10 (more raw production + being near the port) AND getting to place 2 spots before you is a big concern. Generally, when two spots are essentially the same or exactly the same, I opt to go for something different, unless those 2 are clearly the best 2 available spots. In this case, I don't think it's clear enough to be worth taking the 8-4-10.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Love the analysis Aaron! I think both the 5-8-10 and the 8-4-10 have their own advantages and disadvantages. You highlighted a lot of strong arguments for the 5-8-10. Overall I think you've made a lot of good points, but I don't necessarily choosing one over the other is a "mistake."

Vert interesting analysis ! One question about the 5th position, I agree that Markus needs to take the position on the 5/6/9 for his first colony but I think it could be interesting for the second colony to take the strength port 3/1 on the 8/3 because Markus takes good stone and a bit of wheat. This port could be promising if he collects lots of wood. Moreover, effectively, I think he should have put his road toward the 10 of wheat for his first colony. Finally, Markus would have a quite good position on all ressources except clay.....what do you think dylighted Catan ?

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment! I actually talked about this exact situation in another one of my videos, the Live Catan class #1. Check it out!

oohh, maaan! The first time I watched this video I was amazed! White definitely was out of the game after blue's second settlement. I think that blue not only screwed himself with that last settlement, but also made an enemy out of red and white! This situation put orange as "the good guy" to trade with, which ultimately led to his victory. If blue had put the second settlement on the 4-5-11 I think that the game would have gone a different direction totally. Glad to see more of these videos from you! Keep up the good work!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with your thoughts! I would’ve loved to see what would happen if blue went on the 4-5-11. Thank you for the kind comment!

A great lesson teaching that interrupting your opponents when they are making a mistake is an even bigger mistake

wow! Go dylighted!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks bud.

I keep watching these videos and yet, I have absolutely no idea what's going on

TIL there are Catan world champs...huh. This is pretty damn awesome!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed! The competitive scene is still quite unknown but I’m doing my best to make it more popular with these videos!

DyLighted, you gotta realize these guys don't have as much time to analyze as you do hahaha. But great video!!

Love these videos, just started using colonist.io to play with my family while I’m at college- so fun!! Keep the vids coming!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them! Hurray for using Colonist.io!

Honestly quite surprising that some of these picks were made in a world final, because it seems so obvious Orange is a monster from their 2nd pick based on the board strength. If 7&8 pick wanted to sabotage, it’s odd they went for anyone but orange

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! If you're going to play defensively, do it against someone with a potential strong setup. Well said.

@lostinkbh

3 жыл бұрын

As I wrote in my comment are you totally right with Orange being a monster. That is why a defensive pick for me as white wasn’t an option at all.

@nathantrickey1

3 жыл бұрын

@@lostinkbh yeh. Your pick has merit, I wouldn't personally have done it. Pick 8 was the one that is totally baffling

@lostinkbh

3 жыл бұрын

Trickey 18 well, I was chocked as well as you can imagine 😆 What can’t be seen in DyLighteds analyses is how long it took José to make that decision and how much talk there were and I made all the arguments also made here. I think actually he was too afraid that I might win the race against Quetzal and - as I also say in the video -would have been nearly unstoppable. And that kind of messed it up for both him and me and gave Orange the upper hand 🤷‍♂️

@nathantrickey1

3 жыл бұрын

@@lostinkbh the table talk often explains a lot you can't see on the play back!

I love going 4th, as it lets you not only uniquely guarantee your picks can work in concert but make it highly likely you can cut off some opponents. So, paused at 06:00, I would have to say: Settlement on 6/9/12, pointing my road to the 11, with a secondary game goal of reaching the 2:1 Wheat and doubling down on the 12 for Brick. I especially like doubling down on weak numbers, because they don't paint an obvious target for the robber. 2nd Settlement on 9/10/2, pointing my road at the 5 for a race with Player 1 and with then getting the road resources already in hand for my primary game goal of the 2:1 Brick. To beat me there he'll need to go both before me, and get a lucky roll to beat me there as there are no Wood/Brick squares for him to build his 2nd on. I'm solid with 4 out of 5 resources producing and odds on favorite to end up with 2:1 for both Brick (with a BOARD BEST 5/10/12 producing it!) and 2:1 for Wheat which together should handily fill the Stone gap. =============== OK, after seeing his picks, here's why I like mine better: His 9/10/11 mathematically produces better than my 9/10/2, however, I like that mine "hurts" Player 1 by the cutoff to the 2/5 Brick 2:1 as mentioned, besides being a huge capture of all 3 Brick resource locations for 2:1 trading. Reducing an opponents options often helps me more than a tiny bump in resource production. The more of my opponents I can block to have few options for expansion, and, ideally get two of them in a war over limited contested locations, the better off I am. Brick is my 2nd highest production in my initial setup, but will catapult to #1 when I capture the Port, and by it spanning 3 locations, a Robber cannot shut it down even 50%, so the 2:1 for it has arguably BOARD BEST value. This is just a huge opportunity missed not seeing this Brick play on the board: he has no options for good value from harbors with his setup. His 5/6/9 I believe is a poorer choice than my 6/9/12. Again, mathematically superior, but not strategically in my opinion. It over-delivers him on Wood with little chance of even reaching a 3:1 to trade it with. And it only sets him up to either go for the 2:1 Stone, which is almost certainly useless to him the entire game, or, the 6/11/12 to get some Stone and double down on his 6 Wool but painting an obvious Robber target on the 6 Wool. And, it turns the Wheat 2:1 into a really crappy option now, as a single resource Stone build. The only way to avoid that is to spend for another road to get to the 2:1 Wheat at 11/12. OVERALL: I come from a competitive Chess background, so I'm very concerned about opponent options, so willing to sacrifice a bit of resource production if I can "hurt" their chances for board expansion... As in chess I "play both sides of the board" and look for where they're hoping to build and NOT GET CUT OFF, and see if I can work cutting THAT off into my strategy! But mostly, I think NOT SEEING the whole 3 Brick "domination" available here was a huge oversight.

I feel like Markus should've started on the 6-9-3 and built road towards the 3for1 port. And then placed on the 6-9-12, gotten a road and reached the 11-12 wheat port first turn. He can control 2 ports. He would be a little low on brick and ore but then he'd have more wood and wheat to trade than anyone.

Wait when did you get 15K subs? I thought you still had 700. Congratz

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sticking around since the beginning! I appreciate it!

I actually burst out laughing when blue placed on the 6-11-12. Such an unexpected placement!

Great analysis, Dylan. The (seemingly) poor placements had me wondering: are these really World Championships or just some random dudes playing a game, who are maybe more than a little high?🥴

nice analysis. The interesting part is that they think too much. they think they already know what will happen in the first few turns. However, what people pick, what gets rolled a lot and therefor who wins races are not sure beforehand.. A weaker player that just follows his instincts would always know he needs wheat, or just go with high production. But because they consider themselves as good players (and likely are) they think they know when they can break rules (like no wheat equals defeat) when they clearly don't know that.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I would like say all my tips are "generalizations" of core concepts. You can definitely win games with no wheat, though it can be more difficult. Thanks for the comment!

@theegyptiangamer2530

3 жыл бұрын

@@DyLightedCatan I know, I have won games without wheat myself, but they seem to do that too easily

@theegyptiangamer2530

3 жыл бұрын

@@DyLightedCatan Also, about that last pick from blue: you said build 4-5-11 and build to the wheat, but isn't that a bit risky? If white/red gets a road building or some lucky rollsthey might cut you of. I think I would just go 5-10 immediatly guarenteeing wheat and prefering 3 points of wheat over 5 points of sheep. you have a good chance of building to 4-5-11 with your coordinated roads, but if you don't get that spot you can still win the game with getting longest road or by getting army by trading with the brick port to get sheep. Just something to consider

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

@@theegyptiangamer2530 yep! Doing the reverse is also an option, but I expect you to get some trades from orange. I think overall there is some risk for both, but I would still choose the 4-5-11. I didn't mention it in the video since it's already pretty long.

5:59 - the 3,6,9 on the left and the 5,6,9 on the bottom right. I don't get brick or stone, but I have a lot of good numbers for resources and I can get to the 3:1 port to trade it. (aiming for the 3:1 port on the left, where I can maybe add stone to my resources

-spends all my time with friends playing catan- -spends my alone time watching videos of catan-

@hungdragon

3 жыл бұрын

That too

Hi man! I agree with you, the only thing that I would have done if i were red, knowing that my game will not be based on development cards, I would play it on the roads, putting in the 2,5,9 looking towards the port of bricks, having a road on my first shift. I know it's a risky move, but if I beat the blue brick port, I secure good numbers for roads and that brick port could give me the rocks I need. Probably creating another story.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Hello! I think it’s risky but it can pay off well! Overall red thought it was too risky and decided not to do it. But it makes sense going for the race!

Question from a casual player who aspire to become better: Is the board randomly generated (following the instructions in the manual, of course)? If yes, are the frame pieces randomized as well, or are they placed by their numbers?

6:00 I'd probably take 9-3-4, road pointing down to try and get that 8 ore, and 6-9-12 (to get the free road and get to the 8 ore asap), road pointing down to try and get that 5-9 wood for production

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Love it! Another option is to simply take the high producing 5-6-9 with the 3-4-9 and point towards the 8-3. You have to trade for an extra bricks at the beginning, but you get more value through the additional production.

As 4th player I would've chosen the following two settlements. 1st settlement on 6wheat3wheat4sheep and point my road to the 8ore3wheat 3:1 harbour and 2nd settlement on the 6sheep9wood12 brick with my road heading to the 11 ore. My logic is as follows. a) I have a road to start with. b) with the road I can either to go for the 8ore spot or the 11ore wheat harbour. Either way I get something good. c) It is quite possible that the 8ore port will be free as players one, two and three already have an 8 ore. d) The wheat port also works well with my 6 and 3 wheat. In short, my game is variable, I have a choice of great ports and I may get both. I will be weak in bricks, but then so will everyone except for player 1.

You could argue that in a finalist table, you can assume strong play, and so risks are more acceptable than usual. Against weaker players, you should avoid risk and try to rely on your skill to win a disproportionately many games. Against strong opponents, you might imagine that in a vacuum, you have a 25% chance to win. However, if you have a choice between a safe play that makes you almost certainly get 2nd place, but not a good chance at 1st, and a risky place that is likely to get you to 1st or 4th, you could argue for the risky play. This makes moves like the 7th settlement more plausible at the final table (but probably not earlier). That said, I think the production was still too low, and the need to *double* race was still *too* risky. You need to win both races, and then you just have a strong game as a reward. You'd want a totally crushing game as a reward for that kind of risk.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Well said! When putting it this way it makes a lot more sense why red would take such a risk.

Great Great Great analysis as always. Thanks for sharing. Yes I hate the 8th pick especially, it is so strong to get that coordinated wood/brick. I mean why do you even start with a double brick if you are not going to get some wood with it.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly!! The 7th pick at least had a plan that made sense. The 8th pick was just suicide.

While I doubt I'd be able to play competitively, I think in this case, I would have put the 8th on the 10/5 to try and get the 4/11/5 at a later date, and while it'd be a dead weight settlement, getting that 3-1 by the desert could prove useful and I imagine it'd be virtually uncontested, and I feel like I'd have a good chance of getting to the brick(?) port as well.

As Red in the last position here, I may have gone with 3/4/9 point to 8/3/ 3 port . And 6/9/12 point to wheat port. Free road to start, to get to a port and ore. Strong wheat sheep and wood. 3rd settlement gets you strong ore. A 3-1 port and a wheat port

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

That’s not a bad option! Though I would consider taking the 5-6-9 and skipping on the free road. I think I would sacrifice the starting brick for a lot more future production and just try to trade hard for the 2 bricks at the beginning of the game. Just personal thoughts though! A decent setup nonetheless!

@williamhustwit8078

3 жыл бұрын

@@DyLightedCatan if you take the 6 9 5, you will be 2 spits away from the wheat port, and I'd say much less likely to get there, also that opens up the 6 11 12 for someone else to take

Jose actually trolling with that 2nd settlement

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure how I can reply politely without being too harsh on Jose 😂. Let's just say I disagree with his move.

@gregorylu

3 жыл бұрын

@@DyLightedCatan i think for a guy in the world championship, its fair to give some harsh criticism. he fell into the classic trap where you feel like you do more by stopping your opponents without advancing your own board state. his setup yields him only 3 resources with no wood/wheat, he also loses the 5/5 wood brick for a road every 5 rolled. all around besides you blocking 2 other players, you arent getting anything else so everyone else can smoothly advance your board while youre sitting there with useless resources. the only thing jose can do is wait for trades with all his brick.

The smoothed graph shown at 0:36 is pretty useless IMO. The distribution is discrete, and it’s a perfect “triangle”, as shown by the dices in the background: the delta in frequency between, 3 and 2 is the same as the delta between 4 and 3, between 5 and 4, and between 6 and 5. The smoothing is misleading.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

I wish I paid more attention to my stats class lol. Could you clarify what you're saying? I was just trying to help out the beginners with the production points!

@Soupdude338

3 жыл бұрын

The chart suggests that the probability of rolling a decimal such as 6.5 is higher than the chance to roll 6. However, Catan works indiscreetly, in effect meaning in whole numbers, not discretely, in effect meaning with decimal numbers. So, in Catan, it is illogical to suggest that a decimal number has a higher chance than a whole number, because you can't role the decimal number. The poster is suggesting that the chart be updated in the future to showcase this, by making it more jagged and only going up when it gets to the next whole number, instead of using the smoothing effect, which suggests something that isn't true for Catan. This is best seen in the visualization of the dice that go up in singular momentums. Instead of an upside down U They want (and pardon the poor representation) |_| |_| |_| |_| |_| Hope that clears things up somewhat. However, I think it could be a discussion as to what helps new players more. Great video, keep them up!

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

@@Soupdude338 Ohhhh that makes a lot of sense! I see. Thank you for clarifying! Next time I'll show a different chart or simply have the production points. I appreciate both of you!

@luc4662

3 жыл бұрын

DyLighted - Catan thanks for the reply! Yeah, all I’m saying is that you can delete the curve: the little pyramid with the dices is, I think, perfect on its own. To get a bit deeper (optional read): We’re really used to see a Bell curve (aka Gaussian distribution) like this when it comes to stats, and I guess that’s why whoever produced this chart added it here. But it does not have its place in this visualization. This curves comes when you take averages of random numbers: this is called the “strong law of large numbers”. What you are plotting here is just the probability of getting a specific number at EACH roll; there is no averaging, and so no Gaussian distribution either.

@michaelbodell7740

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the curve makes sense if for some reason you wanted to show what was the likeliest average value over many different roles. But in Catan that doesn't matter. What matters is the integer roles. But @Samuel Aston, discrete math is the math of separate integers and the like and the type of probability that we are talking about here (and hence @Luc's correct use of term in his OP). The curve shown in the video is for more continuous distribution (rather than discrete) and is the sort of probability density function that you'd see for continuous variables. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_distribution#/media/File:Dice_Distribution_(bar).svg is a picture of the dice that is more the representation being asked for. Personally, I don't think it matters too much in terms of the video and value, but the "dots" on the numbers in some Catan printings is a really quite useful short representation of the relative weights of the numbers as is talking about the number of "points" of value.

5:59min 8(ore) on wood port and 5/6/9(wood/wood/sheep). It's no competition to afterwards get 5(brick) and then 5/10/desert(wheat/wood).

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Great thought! I think by doing this though it might leave open too much open space for your opponents. However, I totally get why you would place there.

I wonder how hard it was for Orange to contain his excitement when he saw those last two placements.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

I'm sure it was a lot!

@quetzalopodo

3 жыл бұрын

Contain? Man, if you see the final, you can see me smiling, screaming and talking all the time, when Miguel did that last placement i almost fell from my chair.

What about taking 4/5/11 as white and pointing to the 3/6/11? It puts blue in an awful spot and I think they have to choose the 5/10 (or 3/8?) meaning the 3/6/11 will be open for you. You will be racing against orange but you start with sheep which you can trade to blue for brick

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Wow! Pretty creative and strategically defensive. I didn't think about this move before! I like it, but I find it very risky and potentially a bit slow. The biggest issue is that you need 4 bricks. 2 bricks to win the race and another 2 to get on the sheep port. That's a lot of trading and sheep is somewhat plentiful on the board. However this is certainly unique and creative. Thanks for point it out!!

Thank you, I played for the first time with some family and I sucked lol.

Imagine 2 players teaming up to troll another play at the beginning when placing settlements lol like player 1 puts on a good space with players 2, 3, troll player 1 by cutting off all areas leading out lol

Can someone explain the points of production when he says “8 points of production”?

As a Dane this will forever hurt my relationship to Columbia

Yeah at the of the video, I looked at the starting positions, and thought: Well Orange is winning this game. And sure enough he did :)

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Great guess!

who else doesn't know what catan is but still loved the video anyway

An interesting question you left out is: in what order did they choose their starting positions? And what position was best to choose?

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Ahhh! Great question! Honestly I don't know. I'll have to rewatch the match and get back to you. Also, I'm not too sure if they even will tell you in the video. We'll see.

@quetzalopodo

3 жыл бұрын

It is for standings: first day, you play 4 games, top 16 pass to the semifinals, everyone is paired in first against 16th in the first table, 2nd against 15th and like that. For the finals the best standing after the 5 rounds choose if wants to go first, second, third or fourth, the same for the color of preference, then the second in standings chooses any of the remaining seats. The last place in standings just take the place and color everyone else left did not choose. Lucky me, third position and orange are my weapon of choice.

Jan really blew his ore wheat sheep set up with that 7th pick. IMO placing in the 3-6-11 is much stronger for his game. Not only you block red from getting to the ore spot but u also get plenty of sheep you can 2:1 if u place a settlement on the sheep port.

@fantasmadelab5585

3 жыл бұрын

One thing i forgot to mention is that if u make that move u prevent orange from placing in a high producing sheep spot such as the 6

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Yep! If I was in Jan’s position I would more so place on the 6-3-11 as a defensive option instead of the 6-11-12 because that leaves open the other 6-3-11. Well said!

@fantasmadelab5585

3 жыл бұрын

@@DyLightedCatan keep up the amazing work, man! You can tell the amount of effort these kind of videos take! Abrazo desde Argentina!

As fourth position I would place on the 5-6-9 (wood, sheep, wood) and then the 9-10-11 (wheat, brick, sheep). Of the placements available to fourth position, this is the setup with the highest possible production that still includes brick. Some downsides to this choice are the imbalance of brick and wood and the difficulty getting a relevant port.

@julienrodriguez4439

3 жыл бұрын

Just finished the video, great analysis DyLighted and very questionable playing from a world championship. It makes me wonder if the players would have made different choices against regular people, but decided they needed to pull tricks out of their sleeves to take down other experts.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Well said! When I was watching this my jaw dropped on the placements! There were certainly some questionable moves!

seeing 0 dislikes puts a smile on my face:) also love the detailed analysis

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It puts a smile on my face too. It let's me know I did a good job. Thank you for the kind comment!

@YtubeUserr

3 жыл бұрын

Loved the video but, I disliked it because of your comment.

@tanishshroff7050

3 жыл бұрын

YtubeUserr well there's 5 now anyways can't do anything about it :(

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Haha no worries. You commenting was enough! I just appreciate the fact that y’all watched it.

@YtubeUserr

3 жыл бұрын

@@DyLightedCatan your are welcome and thanks

Is this game available to watch anywhere? it seems like despite the fact a lot of the players were missing vital resources there was still a bit of expansion.

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

It is! Look up Catan 2018 World finals on KZread!

I love doing moves like the 7th pick that’s ballsy tho to do it in the championship

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Free road cutoffs are always super cool! Though it can get risky when you have to win 2 races and have a 12 brick and only a 9 wood.

I think as 4th pick I would probably try to go 5,6,9 9,10,2 and plow blue to the brick port and play a wood-brick game. getting up those 3 settlements early would probably make it fairly easy to trade for some ore to get your city while the ows are trying to expand. After getting on the brick port and getting a city I would maybe try to build to the 11 ore to get a little ore income. the main disadvantage is if a 7 rolls and you get stolen from first round losing your road. Not getting on the brick port means your game is over. (written before your analysis btw)

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for commenting! I think the biggest issue is that you share the 10 brick with blue and that blue will most likely start off with a wood. This might make the plow a lot likely to occur. However, this is exactly what Markus took and he's a pretty strong player!

Where can you see the full game?

I might be better than world championship finalists haha these guys need to see DylLighted's videos asap

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure a good chunk of them do watch my videos. I know Queztal and Jan do. I haven't ever spoken with Markus or Jose though.

@riquelme54181

3 жыл бұрын

@@DyLightedCatan then I'm sure they got much better by now :D

@ryuuzaki24

3 жыл бұрын

no wheat= defeat is my new life motto

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

ryuuzaki24 Hahaha glad I could help you with that 🤣

@lostinkbh

3 жыл бұрын

Anytime anywhere, buddy 😉

I actually really like lights split there I thought that was a high risk high reward situation but Blues last pick was a mistake he went for all this guy is going bigger he's going home so I need to shut down his plan instead of trying to become the strongest. Bold isn't necessarily a mistake though. If blue pay laid smart I think it would have panned out for you white in the end

4th pick, id take strong wheat and minimal brick, assuming I can trade with a wheat or wood low blue. So need to take 6,9,3, wood wheat wheat heading to 3:1. With that I’d probably go 6,9,12, going towards 12,11. Although that leaves 6,5,11 spot for 3 which I’m not really happy about, although they’re easily blockable on ore and don’t have the best wheat

@DyLightedCatan

3 жыл бұрын

Certainly an interesting pick! Thanks for explaining the reasoning!