⚠️To all that come to this video after a year: The Barracuda X now has Bluetooth. Which means it is now compatible with iOS (Apple devices) That means this headset is compatible with literally anything! (They added it a while after the headset came out so now in the 2022 version and later the Bluetooth works)

@JayEnfield

Жыл бұрын

I bought the pre-bluetooth version. I ended up returning it on warranty, and have now ended up with two of the bluetooth version. The new ones have AWFUL sound integrity. The bitrate drops to robotic levels at least once every ten minutes. The old headset never did this at all, and both of the new ones do.

@walidnadir

Жыл бұрын

​​@@JayEnfieldro which should i buy then With Bluetooth or without? I want to ps5 for gaming Edit: It doesn't matter whether it's wired, wireless or any other brand, I want you to recommend a headset that is very good for me according to the game and goes up to this price

@krymox4461

Жыл бұрын

@@walidnadirwhats ur budget?

@krymox4461

Жыл бұрын

@@walidnadir try checking out Steel series headsets if u can get try gettin arctis nova 7 ot smthngg

whenever i hear these mic tests, i die inside

@WiIza_

3 жыл бұрын

Same dude. ModMic is the way :)

@aceofskulls2407

3 жыл бұрын

Every razer mic I have ever used is the most sensitive thing ever as well - I could hear things I couldn't with my own ears and with others the sound from the headphones can be heard in the mic

@illmetbymoonlight3318

3 жыл бұрын

@@aceofskulls2407 can confirm , I had a razer kraken headset and my friends were able to hear my game sound I had to lower my volume and they’re voices

@dpedrosoliano

3 жыл бұрын

want a good mic on a gaming headset. edifier g4 te. been using it for my streams. its amazing, it doesnt sound like a typical gaming headset where its so sharp/walkie-talkie ish, i was surprise, given the price

@tiramisu8359

3 жыл бұрын

why? is it that bad?

I really appreciate that you guys use EFT as your main game for headset reviews lately. It's easily the most sound-dependent game and I've really been trying to find info on headsets that work best for the game. You guys really pushed me towards getting the Blackshark V2 Pros from my Arctis 7s and I absolutely love them.

@uslph.

2 жыл бұрын

nah its shit, its dual channel audio. 0 3d audio aspects

@COBMapler

2 жыл бұрын

@@uslph. I wasn't saying it had the best audio quality. I said that the game is extremely sound-dependent because it is. Every eft player knows the audio is shit but that doesn't take away from how important it is.

I very recently got the HyperX Cloud Flight wireless for about 80$ on sale, seems to be pretty solid so far. Surprised that wasn't in the lineup of comparisons for this price-point

@orenji13

2 жыл бұрын

not the same price point, flight is a bit higher, even on our country

@laszlopinter8847

2 жыл бұрын

I had a cloud alpha for 1.5 years. I had to return them and I got a refund. It electrocuted me many times. Last time I got very bad headache. It's a common issue and there are quite a few people on reddit and tom's hardware claiming the same issue. Even with their keyboard. I loved my cloud alpha, but if my health comes into the situation, definitely no. I do not recommend them anymore to my friends and anyone I talk to. That's why I even wrote this down. Be very careful with that headphones man.

@link-kun5974

2 жыл бұрын

@@laszlopinter8847 Do you feel the electric shock when get electrocuted?

The best thing about this headset is its mic’s ability to block wind noise. I have my stand fan right next to me and it can block like 80-90% of wind noise. Good job Razer 👍

@whitewolf5886

2 жыл бұрын

My friends tells they hear me really really well, but toooo low volume. They can hear me if i talk really loud, putting the mic touching my mouth (the closest posible) I don't know how to fix the sensitivity

@pijen

2 жыл бұрын

@@whitewolf5886 I never had that issue with this particular mic. have you turn the volume level all the way to 100% in windows sound settings?

@darrenjk5438

2 жыл бұрын

@@pijen maybe he plays on Playstation

@reptilenature

2 жыл бұрын

@@darrenjk5438 probably switch

@wassabie2738

Жыл бұрын

im on pc, same for me its really quiet. Bullshit Microphone tbh, my Blackshark V2 X are much better. Dont know if its with all BT headsets but this one has a really bad mic, gotta stick with cables i guess...

Considering I'm an old school wired guy for the price I'd rather some monoprice retro's and a decent USB mic, but I don't play fps games so not sure what the positional audio is like on the retro's for that kind of gaming. Nice to see a lot of these headsets aren't the ugly RGB mess they've been for the last few years though.

It we be beneficial if you provided you rating of what you heard in those sound samples. You mentioned your least favorite, but not specifically the rank of each. It would be helpful to gauge your rank against our own to better judge headsets reviewed here. Thanks for your review!

The type c dongles are a must now imo. Specially for using with a quest 2 or switch. Just so much nicer of an experience than a short 3.5 cable that you have to hook up every time.

@NeroNyte

Жыл бұрын

My current headphones have a micro b connection, which is why I'm looking for a new headset, I've burned through so many of these cables cause they break so easily. Everytime after a few weeks they start disconnecting and popping and screaming in my ears lol

Bought these today (Aug 2022) - coming from Cloud's that I've had for 5 years - Love these! They changed the usb-c dongle to having the plug off-set to the side so now when plugging into a laptop it will only cover 1 port rather than 2(and being "reversable" you can flip it over depending on what port you want or don't want to block)

@ayyankamil5582

Жыл бұрын

how are they?

@Sam-de8tc

9 ай бұрын

whats ur opinion after 1 year

I still have my Razer Barracuda AC-1 Gaming Audio Card from 2008! It’s PCI, so I can’t use it with a modern motherboard, but it’s still an awesome piece of technology! Glad that Razer is revisiting its older product lineup.

For some reason I love the design. It's just clean and simple but still very cool to wear.

As someone who uses an Arctis 1 wireless the one thing I wish these had and the Arctis 1 had is Bluetooth. It's kinda annoying having the receiver in your phone and you can't charge your phone and have the receiver on the same time

Thank you so much for reviewing this model!! love all ur vids theyre always so useful and informative you pull it off every time :D maybe you could review the 2022 model one? :3

Woah. It's my birthday today and my Logitech G Pro has decided to die on me :( Searched a bit for a replacement and came across your channel. The production quality of your videos are on another level, everything seem so clean and crisp. Love it. And btw thanks I ordered the Barracuda and it's arriving tomorrow :D You got a new sub!

@hhga_

2 жыл бұрын

So, how is it?

Haven't tried but like razor is adjusting their esthetic. Aswell as most companies making them multi platform yet retaining full features. Big plus.

This one competes directly with the Steelseries Arctis 1 Wireless

@MekaniQ

3 жыл бұрын

Totally

@axle1337

3 жыл бұрын

and loses :(

@MekaniQ

3 жыл бұрын

@@axle1337 F

@lazypanda1493

3 жыл бұрын

It’s pretty much the same except the look

@dcon1891

3 жыл бұрын

@@axle1337 depends. For big heads and ears, razer seems to be the better option lol. I returned the Arctic 1 wireless because my ears rubbed against the drivers. Headset is tiny imo

I like peter quill here doing reviews. Love u vids!

Built my gf a PC a while ago and I went with a BeQuiet! Shadow Rock 3 and it's been amazing. Really great offset design where it avoids the RAM and gets the end of the fins up quite close to the rear exhaust fan, creating a bit of extra airflow around that part. Cool seeing it in a sponsor highlight!

Thanks so much for these videos, honostly went through about 5 of your reviews before landing on this one, really appreciate your honesty with reviews as I've spent 250$ on my previous headset just to send it back due to comfort issues. I'm pretty excited to try these out when they arrive! :D

@Sam-de8tc

9 ай бұрын

hey ,whats ur opinion after 1 year

@rickshawthe3nd112

2 ай бұрын

​@@Sam-de8tchey wsp, i only used them for like 1 day so i dont know abt the battery, but the mic is actually pretty solid and my friends liked it, the sound stage is a bit high but u can still pick up on footsteps easily so in games like r6 its good, and its really comfy with a really nice amount of clamping force

@Sam-de8tc

2 ай бұрын

@@rickshawthe3nd112 bought two of them. For me and for a friend. Solid headphones 👍🏽

Sad to see Steelseries Arctis 1 Wireless wasn't mentioned for comparison. They are exact same price, even have a similar look. Would have liked to hear the microphone comparison.

Hope it comes to India asap All the specialities/diff he said after comparing all those headsets made me more n more wanting to get those. All the requirements checked as per my requirements. Except for the mic tho it never gets the required level as like the vmoda boom mic or somethings like that Just hoping for the best

Great review and roundup

What is the best headset that can be wired (when wanted for voice quality) or wireless (for convenience)???

I don’t know how and where are you recording the mic tests but as far as I have tested and heard all of the headset mics are far better sounding. Especially on the Kraken TE the mic is much more clearer and better sounding than in tests. Using OBS or razer synapse side tone is also a where I can test my mic and I can tell that it is perfect.

I'm here a couple years after this video was released and im pretty sure the headset has a larger rotation now and can be rotated inwards. The headset now has an app which can be used to adjust settings and see battery and the battery life now reaches over 50 hours.

Hi there! Congrats for the excellent content! I'm gonna buy a new headset soon and i'm in doubt between the barracuda X and the hyperx cloud flight. Can you give me a tip of which one is the best? Thanks!

I bought these recently and used them a couple times, and I've boxed them back up and taking them back after work tomorrow. Not the most comfortable, but ok for a couple hours. My biggest gripe is the Mic, I coudnt hear myself, nor could my guildmates. If i more or less stuck the mic against the corner of my mouth it was marginally better. I had the setting maxed out. Going back to my old Turtlebeach P12 Earforce I used with my PS4.

@HemiJB91

Жыл бұрын

Lol cry some more

I tried arctis 1 & barracuda X both pretty good & comfy they are at the same lvl, but i prefer barracuda. What lacks from arctis 1 is the pads thinner so my ears can touch the speaker & the mic ofc. Anything else than that are same. Pls take a note i'm not a razer fan boy.

they should've had added the cooling gel infused cushion earcup though

Bought these a week ago for £40. I don't need the bluetooth as I use it for my job and occasional gaming. It's worth every penny so far, comfortable, good sound, and even better sound with the 7.1 surround. If you're in the UK, jump to Curry's as it's on sale now.

I just tried this one on at a local Best Buy and it was super comfortable. It felt better than the cloud flight. I also like the Logitech pro headset but they are heavier.

I ain't no audiophile but, to me, that mic sounds a bit muffled and sludgy. The HyperX Cloud II easily sounds the best of the bunch; while not especially rich in sound, it's clean and clear, and that's what matters most when communicating with teammates. Is it worth the extra $40? Maybe? Probably. I think I'd still lean toward wired headphones and a proper mic at that price point, but as a decent wireless option, I could see myself choosing the Cloud II over the competition. Still, props to Razer for taking steps in the right direction and (seemingly) listening to consumers and taking cues from the criticism.

Great review buddy. Thanks a lot.

The only thing that's missing on this headset is an internal microphone, which will provide an option to consumers to not carry the detachable microphone on the go. Otherwise, this would be a huge winner.

@jasonthompson2406

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, I found myself comparing these to the Arctis 7p+ but heard the arctis didnt have as much bass, less battery life, its more expensive, and it only comes in white

I wish it has a built in mic as well. Who has the time to find and plug in a mic when a phone call comes in.

Super useful review since these are actually a budget set of headphones

Just ordered one! Thank you. Also it was on deal I got it for $65.

Just bought this for 55 Pound Hoping for the best it comes on Tuesday :D

You had me at " You don't have to deal with Razer Synapse".

@Laggyness

2 жыл бұрын

Just bought one. Its great.

idk if there is an updated version but I bought a barracuda X and it has bluetooth...can swap betweet audio from my pc to my phone very easily.... they are very straight foward. really like it and the price point is surprisingly good

@iamhoeman

Жыл бұрын

Hi! Where did you buy? Thanks

I'm currently using the Blackshark V2X and are currently looking to upgrade to wireless headset. Do you the Barracuda is worth an upgrade ? Or do you recommend something of a similar price point like the HyperX Cloud Flight is almost the same price as Barracuda here in my country. Need your advice on this, thanks~

Is it me or it is just the Steelseries Arctis 1 wireless but with a Razer logo? (I wonder why he didn't mention it since they are extremely similar with the same usb-c dongle)

@Scullydawg567

3 жыл бұрын

Thought i was the only one that noticed that. Its literally the exact same concept.

@phenic5761

3 жыл бұрын

BadSeed Tech also pointed that out in his review so he compared it directly to the arctis 1

@DonRade

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah weird that he didnt even mention it. I was looking forward to the mic comparison. They are also the same price...

@clawson32104

3 жыл бұрын

It's funny as I've watched 2 other reviews and both mentioned these being a Arctis 1 Wireless clone.

@sophoclesgabrielides

3 жыл бұрын

seems exactly the same maybe worse than arctis 1 ... Razer has kaira pro too...

The Hyperx Cloud II wireless Mic, was the one that sounded better to me.

Lucky that my Corsair 4000D airflow case have usb c port on the front 😆

Just got the white pair off of Amazon for $69 bucks. For the money...not bad at all. Snag them if you are looking for a backup pair or are on a budget.

Compared to HyperX Cloud Flight, which one is better and more comfortable?

I really wish gaming companies would make headphones without a mic, i'd love some gaming headphones that can compete with my Senhieser 560s. Although this a big jump in quality for Razer these headphones just don't do that, the software and the look sure is tempting though..

I'm confused why you missed the entire Steelseries stack here? They have 3 different wireless headsets in the price range you looked at as competition, and their Arctis 1 is basically the same headset as this.

@silversrayleigh1399

3 жыл бұрын

I know right? I clicked this video because I was thinking of switching from my Arctis 7 to this one, so I hoped that he would do a comparison. But tbh, I see nothing special with these, my Arctis 7 is working just fine and the battery life is exquisite!

@HardwareCanucks

3 жыл бұрын

Hmm you're right, it is oddly similar in features and the identical USB-C dongle plus the same "4-in-1" marketing lol. I haven't tried the Arctis 1 but thanks for bringing this to my attention. -D.

@zane4006

2 жыл бұрын

That's not true, there is only another headset for this category, the Arctis 1 and for this price a wireless headset is pretty solid. Im not a big fan of Razer, I usually don't like their build quality but we have to be honest here, they did a really good job for a 99 €/$ wireless headset, and NO, they did not copied the Steelseries, a company that places a product in a category where other brands are present is not copying, it is called marketing.

@NostalgicMem0ries

2 жыл бұрын

steel series only have bluetooth, while this has 2.4ghz dongle that is way superior in signal strength and almost no latency compared to steel series around 100-300 ms lag

@sjneow

2 жыл бұрын

@@NostalgicMem0ries the arctis 1 wireless uses a USB-C dongle like this one.

Bro you should try Logitech G pro X wired or wireless, the microphone with Blue version is soo so amazing. Unbelievable

I use the Razer Kraken II nearly 5 years. I love how i can just replace the ear cushions for small money, because this is the only thing what disintegrate from using it. No RGB, No Bloatware, cable is ridiculous good and also the whole build quality is compared to others great. I tested in the meantime several other Headsets from the usual gamer scheme industry. Just to see if it makes any difference to spend double or triple the money. And it's clearly not. Even on the Epos 603(sic) with "broadcast quality mic" for $200 it's nothing what i must have, the mic is even worse. I learned that if you use your mic very often in games or for chatting, streams you name it, a $30 Table microphone usb-c will do a much much much better job than everything you could buy with a so called "Gaming Headset". Therefore, it's better to look for comfort, ergonomics and build quality, of course the sound should be good too, but the build in drivers in most of this gamer headset came out of the same chinese fab, there is not much difference technically. The point is, i would not recommend choosing a headset only on behalf of the microphone quality. Anyway, i guess i'll get me one of this Baracuda Headsets, to see if its as good as the wired kraken.

@jaykenarn6223

Жыл бұрын

and how was the barracuda headsets in your opinion?

Yes please, I love these simple and less gamer designs

Great review👍🏼

just ordered the hs70 pros, so hyped

@Skyzerz99

3 жыл бұрын

I’m using one rn! Love it, switched from hs60 to hs70 pro

Ty. Um gonnq buy the shadow rock 3

I just this headset because my new phone didn't have a headphone jax. I was kind of disturbed that it's sound was better (or at least I like the sound more) than my HyperX Pro cloud 2-something I bought 8-9 months ago for $30 more. The barracuda's mic is kind of flimsy and it falls out kind of easy. I think the hyperx mic sounds better judging by this video. I like the earcups. The hyperx uses these nasty leather cups and they feel sponges when you pc causes you to sweat. I rarely charge the barracuda x and haven't had problems power wise. I use them for work so 2-3 hours of listening to music and a couple of hours on the road so I don't come near 20 hours of usage. I do like USB C doggle for allowing to control from a hardware side and not internal software. I am a little paranoid about losing it or breaking which adds a little more stress. $99 for this headset is really the best part. It's a lot of bang for buck. I've spent 140 on a previous senniheiser years ago and it doesn't compare.

If you install the razor app for phone you can see battery level and change EQ

random question, but where did you get those fluorescent tube looking lights?! Like in the thumbnail and on the shelf behind you.

Since you guys made me aware of the Antlion mic, I'm just using proper headphones.

@katzicael

3 жыл бұрын

Same. Sennheiser HD560S here haha.

@GrandSil90

3 жыл бұрын

What a good for nothing comment. Nothing to add. Hey guys, I also got a new TV this week!

@ekasism

3 жыл бұрын

@@GrandSil90 chill, gamer. Truth is that gaming headsets suck, just get decent headphones and add a mic to it.

@Clobercow1

3 жыл бұрын

It's so much better, that I can't get over it.

@superblitz2274

3 жыл бұрын

@@ekasism no they don't,not for their price.Definitely "decent headphones" sound better,but the fact is that gaming headphones are good enough for the vast majority of people

Hi. Where do you think this fits against the Turtle Beach Stealth 800s?

I bought these on amazon im excited for them they will come in a month

I commend you for mentioning the sound quality of the headset when playing Tarkov. As someone who has an Astro A40 with mixamp and planning to build a "cheaper" gaming rig for our second home, I couldn't find a wireless headset that is ultimately cheaper than the A40 but can still deliver sound quality. I am 100% certain there are better wireless headphones than this but it's nice to know this can be "good enough" for Tarkov. Adding this to my list before finally deciding which one to get.

The voice quality of Barracuda X is possibly (or maybe it is) affected by its foam cover around its mic. The audio output from its mic makes it sound like you're underground.

of those mics the Cloud 2 was the best/clearest

@soul0merk

3 жыл бұрын

Not even close Edit (because of confusion): cloud 2 was the best. Looking at upgrading from my excellent wired clouds for a wireless pair of headphones - thinking about staying with the same brand after this video.

@gandalftheantlion

3 жыл бұрын

@@soul0merk idk I thought it sounded pretty clear to me.

@Mayushii3

3 жыл бұрын

@@soul0merk clean out your ears then, lol

@xaydada

3 жыл бұрын

agree

@soul0merk

3 жыл бұрын

@@gandalftheantlion I was agreeing with op - I can see looking back it sounded like I was saying the opposite

this is history omg i dont even need a headset but without rgb i might have to pull the trigger on these

How does the Headset performe in wired Mode? I noticed an huge diference on my SGH3 in Hunt Showdown between using it in wired mode an using it with the included USB soundcard... And why is the SGH3 Not included in your round ups?

4:25. Lol I never noticed that until you told that. Your left ear is big 🤣

dang amazing video, btw, is this 2021 version? what is the difference between 2022 and 2021

@timmckinnon3325

3 ай бұрын

The dogle is off set, battery life Is more and has Bluetooth

you got a like already for that background track lol

How to charge it ? With a adaptor ? How much time it takes to charge full ? Will the green light off when fully charged ?

I got one, and its amazing, but the only issue that i dont understand why its there, is the shakey power button when u move your head u can hear it shaking, its kinda annoying the other buttons doesnt have this problem, but still awesome headset

I’m looking for a (preferably) wired, planear magnetic driver headset compatible with the X box series X. So far I’ve only seen the penrose X. All the others I’ve seen have connection issues with X box series x.

still rock with my hyperx cloud ll wireless, sweet headset

How about the JBL quantum headset? I wish you would do a review on them.

I have a Razer Blackshark V2 and it has an unbalanced sound for some reason (when adjusting using the knob at 80%, it is balanced but now, it is really unbalanced...tried using windows sound balance settings, doesn't work either and not really balanced for me). Since the Barracuda X is the same price as mine...I think it is a good buy and I wish it doesn't have that problem.

Love this head set. It feels great on my head and looks nice

The dongle looks like that so it is compatible and sits flush with the new console controllers.

It's in fact an Arctics wireless headset... which it's kind of a shame cus there must be plenty of other options to make a rebrand of.

Do you think the barracuda x is better than the steelseries arctis 1 wireless since they're both in the similar price range?

well, despite being subscribed this is the first video I've "found" in years...all for 3D PS5 audio

What do you think is the best over ear headphones for gaming and music under 30$?

js bought one today and theres a few changes to it, i got it for $79. the dongle usb-c connector was moved to the side, giving more space for other USB ports. the battery life is 50 hours. and removing the soft foam on the mic makes the sound clearer. also the ear pads are kinda good cause its not those type of fabrics that peel off after a few uses. i like it, and the video helped a lot!

If you compare the sound to normal headphones in that price range does it still compete? I don't really care about the microphone but the wireless solution would work perfectly for the electronics that i own. So i want to know if the pure sound quality holds up to the price.

@skfl7014

2 жыл бұрын

Sound quality is terrible if you look at the sound graph

Perfect timing for this to come out since my Corsair hs70s are starting to die on me.

@gyurmagyuri6440

2 жыл бұрын

What is your experience with that? Is that comfortable? Does it sound good? Is it a huge con htat you can't use it in wired mode?

@ReksratYTB

2 жыл бұрын

@@gyurmagyuri6440 tl;Dr The HS70s sound good to me, they're comfy, and the lack of an aux mode doesn't bother me. I've gone through 2 pairs of HS70 headphones over the course of almost 3 years now. The first pair had the battery die completely right before my warranty was up to I got a replacement for free. After a year I'm noticing this pair is losing a bit of range. They're very comfy when at my desk but laying in bed is almost unbearable. The sound is good on the "pure direct" setting but you can EQ in the icue software if you don't like it. I only use them at my PC so not being able to plug them in with an aux cable (3.5mm Jack) doesn't bother me since I have other headphones for my cellphone. ONE LIFEHACK I'D SUGGEST: buy a magnetic usb cable. With the magnetic cable you don't have to take the headphones off to plug them in, just snap the magnets together.

thank you. I'm sold.

compared to wired Phillips SHP9500 , wireless aside do this Barracuda X consider as an upgrade in sound quality?

Can you pls review the corsair virtuoso xt please!

So the HyperX Cloud II has the best sounding mic in that comparison which is kind of funny. I would say the G733 sounds the second best. The Razer headsets just make everything sound too nasally.

If we use Synapse does it have any kind of battery indicator in the software like battery bars or anything?

Please review the Thermaltake Argent H7 Stereo wired headset if it worth the price and features or is a fail

For the most part, I have always been disappointed with anything Razer has ever made. I love the feel of their Death Adder mice only, but those have huge durability issues like everything else they make. Literally have gone through 8 Death Adders over the last couple decades because they only has about 2 years before usually having their switches go bad and double click constantly. Anything else they've ever made is worse. Also the Cloud 2 mic sounds the best.

Dam it , just bought the Arctis Pro wireless, could of been another option, it's one of the only gaming headsets that's has great audio and doesn't have a ridiculous mic permanently on show. I would of gone with the one of the Sennheiser wireless headsets, but they look ridiculous and don't want people in my house laughing at me!

Best price and that usb c dongle with extension.. Omg.. future proof. Sweet jc. Placed an order right away for 60$

@daricefarmer2

Жыл бұрын

where’d you find one for 60?

@insidecrypto5931

Жыл бұрын

@@daricefarmer2 I got mine at a Best Buy a few days ago for $50

You should review the new Logitech G335 gaming headset

emm easily snap that plastic and the rotation will weaken the wires after 6 month i would recommend taping that up so they dont rotate

I did this in my Razer Kraken X it snapped! 3:19 I asked for a warranty on razer they didn't approve.

Can these headphones be used with the company's sound system like thx spatial audio? and is there a software to adjust the sound or not thank you very much

Please check the Dell AW510H. I would really like to know your opinion on that one

I need to ask since i'm not an expert on these things but can i just plug the charger in the headphones and continue to play without it loosing power? because wireless headphones although being nice are so annoying when they do loose power when you're in the middle of gaming.

Does the headset have some kind of microphone for phone calls and what not if you disconnect the Hyperclear Cardioid mic?

Does it has internal mic just like Strix Go 2.4 or just external only?