Which Stalker do you prefer? Beta or HL2? I've had a bunch of comments stating I'm pronouncing "beta" wrong. I'm British and that's how it's pronounced here. The US pronounce it "bey-ta".

@Gulag_Official.

Жыл бұрын

Both

@Compwnter

Жыл бұрын

beta

@IBrokeMyFootOnAL3go

Жыл бұрын

HL2

@lol4zjake98

Жыл бұрын

Beta

@InFosver

Жыл бұрын

Beta 💀

My personal head cannon to why they’re still called stalkers: In half life 2 Alyx gives some exposition on the stalkers, before saying to one “God, I hope you don’t remember who you were.” I think that sometimes stalkers will retain some of there memories and “Stalk” people that they can still recognize

@shadowpoet4398

Жыл бұрын

Heartbreaking... Free The Stalkers!!

@teatanks6481

Жыл бұрын

hauntingly excellent, could probably make a horror mod based around that.

@HonestGhost21

Жыл бұрын

It's from episode 1 to be specific. Played through it yesterday!

@moltenren3439

Жыл бұрын

I thouvht it was because of the way they walk, a little rickety, very slow and unsure of their movements

@HOTD108_

Жыл бұрын

Canon is spelt with only one N. Cannon with two Ns is for when you're referring to those big naval guns you see on pirate ships.

The Stalkers were really the first body horror type thing that really scared me as a child. Such a great concept. The only part that does not really work is the moral dilemma for me. Being a Stalker is definetly a fate worse then death, which is why I think the only moral choice is to kill them anyway. A mercy killing.

@lotus7781

Жыл бұрын

my young mind wasnt sure what to make of it, i didnt see them as human untill i eventually found out, i didnt believe a human could function looking like that, truely frightening, also if i where to mod beta stalkers back into the game i'd have it so they have metallic and glowing spines that assisted their muscles via electrical stimulation, and they would be split apart once killed from the tension

@ghostface5559

Жыл бұрын

I'm confused why they don't suicide

@user-jb9nz2fs2u

Жыл бұрын

take out your misericordes

@lucre113

Жыл бұрын

💀 HUGE “nothing personnel, kid” vibes

@bigbeng6041

Жыл бұрын

It's a moral dilemma like any other. It's EXTREMELY easy to say "oh I would just do this in that situation" without ever having been in a situation where you have to make that choice.

Beta looks like a "The Suffering" enemy. The HL2 ones look more like a actual withered body and the broken/blank expression really sells that there is not an ounce of the person left after the transformation.

@helgenlane

Жыл бұрын

Also, the final version looks like something that could potentially exist in real life, while beta ones look like some creepypasta or scp character.

@LordOOTFD

Жыл бұрын

@@helgenlane Yeah the final version looks like something that could actually be alive, while the beta one makes me want to look for the combine necromancers.

@plumenommershpadoinkle7575

Жыл бұрын

Same. I find the final version scarier because it’s more believable

@solace2731

Жыл бұрын

i prefer the final version the beta version just feels out of place in half life most of the beta feels out of place tbh, i never saw half life as a dark game, but more of a grounded science fiction wth a dark background that's why i think the final version is better than the beta, it fits so much better it may not feel dark when you are running around gunning all those combines, but if you just stop for a moment and look around, you will see how dark, empty and sad this world is

@GravityGurus102

Жыл бұрын

reminds me of the zombies

I think the most uncomfortable thing about the beta stalker, for me at least, isn't that spinal column but instead the lower arms. They didn't just remove the hand at the wrist, they outright cut the radius and ulna in half. It's just horrific to me to see half of the lower arm. And the way it looks to me also makes it seem like they then adjusted them to make more space between the two bones, allowing them to attach equipment directly to the radius bone. I wouldn't even be surprised if they just bolt the tools on, with the stalker feeling it as the metal goes straight through their weakened bone.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

It's really uncomfortable when you look even deeper into it. Your comment has opened my eyes into an even darker side (if that was possible) of the Combine empire.

@stanleybochenek1862

Жыл бұрын

Jesus

@tychusenfieldlarsson206

Жыл бұрын

sounds like an implant procedure (metal bolt applied into mouth, jaw bone.)

@Man_Aslume

7 ай бұрын

Jesus that looks like it would all day every day

Remember how the manhacks were originally going to be controlled by children who thought they were playing an arcade game? Beta HL2 was absolutely brutal...

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

That was super dark!

@zestyzucc7645

Жыл бұрын

I kind of wish they brought these things back. Don't get me wrong, I love the unknown and eldritch horror half life leans into now, but some elements such as that would have been nice.

@spacecadetkaito

Жыл бұрын

Im actually glad they removed that. A lot of stuff from the beta sounds darker in theory, but are actually rather cartoonish and over the top compared to the retail version which is more understated and therefore scarier in my opinion.

@0BucketMask0

Жыл бұрын

@@spacecadetkaito they're cartoony by todays standards, but back then it was a fresh concept and extremely horrifying. The game would have been just as successful imo, but Valve would be a VERY different company today if they hadn't mellowed out and became more light and comical. As much as I'd love a full on horror Half-Life, I love TF2 and the Portal games enough to be more than happy with what we got.

@niono1587

Жыл бұрын

@@spacecadetkaito Perfectly agree. Theres no way you could take half life 2 seriously if it went in its original direction like all children being put to work in factories, air being entirely polluted, rebels being turned into spooky cyber assasins??? Wot the fuck is this warhammer?

I think that the biggest advantage that beta Stalker has over the one that we got is how much more uncanny they were. Obviously both feed upon body horror and the idea of twisting human form, but Stalkers that we got still look human. They look miserable, sure, but you could imagine someone evil enough doing something like this in the real world. But the beta Stalkers? They look like they should not function anymore, but they still do, and that pushes that uncanny feeling even further. Unnaturally thin spines, dirty skin, animal mask; it doesn't even look like they used good materials to stiches them up. Both look tragic and horrifying, but the beta Stalker looks just more degraded and humiliated, which puts into perspective just how little the guys at the top care about humanity: or, worse yet, how much joy they take out of actively inflicting misery upon sapient life.

@CheekyChan

Жыл бұрын

I honestly wish they would have stuck with the beta design. The part that gets me the most is the constricted spine with all the leather straps. To me, the beta stalker is the definitive way to show just how messed up the combine really are and their hatred of humanity. I think it just conveys better how much they hate humans by keeping their lives hell 24/7 and not letting them just die, constantly on the brink of life and death, constant suffering. And on top of all that, I'm disappointed that Valve hasn't expanded on HL hardly at all in the 20+ years they've had the IP. It is such an interesting IP with an amazing world and they've done fuck all with it.

@jeffumbach

Жыл бұрын

Only thing is the beta version is too gaunt, it looks like it doesn't have enough muscle to even sit up much less stand.

@OneReallyGrumpyJill

Жыл бұрын

@@CheekyChan Second that, I think they could've implemented them still. Just have docile Stalker workers and aggressive Stalker hunters; but yeah, beta Stalkers are a great piece of anti-fascist messaging.

@CheekyChan

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffumbach Yeah, that's some Clive Barker body horror shit right there but they also have like zero meat on them bones so barely any weight. I think just a smidge more muscle tone would make them perfect.

@childofcascadia

Жыл бұрын

@CheekyChan Totally agree. HL2 stalkers are just pathetic and pitiable. Beta stalkers are horrifying. That being said theres no way they are moving under their own power, they are too wasted. It would have been cool if they would have kept the look and behavior of the beta model but made them built more like the HL2 version so you brain doesnt go "wait, how is it moving with no muscle?" I also wish they would have used them more and they were more like the beta. It seems to me the combine would have showed them off to humans, instead of keeping them hidden away. Like "dont even think about fighting us. This is what we do to resistors.".

I love how you’re covering the beta lore. It’s really interesting thinking about what could have been.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

It's interesting but sad at the same time. I'll be doing more beta stuff

@HOTD108_

Жыл бұрын

@@Skyrionn Why is it sad? Every game has to cut stuff.

@codymcgrath2.3bviews3secon7

Жыл бұрын

Definitely wish we got to see a lot of what was in the beta, conscripts etc

@shreksnow1918

Жыл бұрын

Unfinished CGI I think he means within the context of the universe it’s sad what happened to the Stalkers, or because there was so much cool stuff from the beta that really should have made it into the final game. The beta definitely has its problem and various things definitely needed to get cut, but Valve stripped away too much making the retail game feel kind of bland in comparison to the original and after you know about what was cut. Don’t get me wrong I love the game we got. I just think it could have been so much more.

@shreksnow1918

Жыл бұрын

@Skyrionn That will be awesome! Good luck with that. I’m personally in the camp that HL2 was a great game but a bad sequel. My reasoning for that is the enemy/weapon variety is down, it didn’t carry over the dark tones/atmosphere of the original/expansions, the Combine just feel like they’re there as apposed to the beta where EVERYTHING shows the impact of their occupation, and the chapters were more unique. That being said I’m not one of the people who thinks it was flawless because it’s clearly not. There was definitely a fair amount of stuff that needed to be scrapped because it didn’t work, was redundant, and the passing/connection between chapters wasn’t really there. I just think that Valve took away too much leaving the game feel empty in comparison to the original/expansions and when you know about what was scrapped. Luckily there’s beta recreation mods (assuming they ever get completed), but those are showing their cracks due to problems in the beta or the modders making mistakes.

I think the stalkers in the final release are far creepier because they look somewhat like they could exist in real life unlike the beta stalkers.

@denifnaf5874

Жыл бұрын

Their appearance stalks you, and so does the fact that you can become one.

@fearlessdude6377

Жыл бұрын

@@denifnaf5874bro is NOT philosophical 💀💀💀

@fearlessdude6377

Жыл бұрын

@@denifnaf5874Socrates ah mf

@gardenfootcreature2925

Жыл бұрын

@@denifnaf5874 Bro thinks he’s socrates

@mediocrecontent2449

Жыл бұрын

You guys killed him. Lol

Why are they called stalkers still? Because every now and then combine personnel would get the feeling of being watched and followed. They couldn't say for sure but they were sure it was these beings, No matter the task they would fulfill it quietly, efficiently, but it always seemed like they were staring at you the entire time as if the only true freewill they had was the ability to look and observe as others lived a life they were denied, the only defiance against their torturers left to them.

@strawberrybaz

Жыл бұрын

This sounds like a great day in the life detail of combine personnel. I imagine a combine soldier who just wanted to survive but keeps being reminded of the consequences of his actions, portrayed by the stalkers. He passes by some stalkers, look for a bit, and go on. But as he turns and walks away, he hears the stalker move and he quickly turns around to it, and he sees the stalker continue on working. He felt as if the stalker was looking at him; he rushes out, feeling ill, as the horror of it all flashes inside his mind. Something like that... Idk

@zcgamerandreacts2762

Жыл бұрын

Like what Alyx said: thank god you don't have any memories. And like what someone else said: They stalk those that they remember and still have memories of.

I got this game for Xmas 2004 from my Dad. The game was awesome...but when I saw the production lines with these guys in em, and kinda figured out what they were...I legit cried in my bedroom as a young teen thinking about it. I'm not sure, but I don't think a lot of players fully ignored them, even though they could

I'm glad they didn't turn Stalkers into jump scare enemies. The Fast Zombies were more than enough to scare the you-know-what out of me for the entire game. 😬

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

The fast zombies were pretty terrifying!

@qwertyiuwg4uwtwthn

Жыл бұрын

@@Skyrionn ah yes. high pitched Wilhelm scream. truly the scariest thing ever

@Pashaok.

Жыл бұрын

tf is that profile picture

@cr1tikal_arc

Жыл бұрын

​@@Pashaok. watch out you might cut someone with all that edge you have

@Pashaok.

Жыл бұрын

@@cr1tikal_arc You can't go talking 'bout edginess when you have a Family Guy profile picture.

HL2, the beta model looks like it lacks the flesh required to move in a meaningful manner, and the HL2 model demonstrates a more real kind of body horror that leaves the beta model looking like an exaggeration

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

That's a good point - maybe it would have been great to see somewhere between the two.

@l0rf

Жыл бұрын

I thought so too. It looks horrifying but unless there is actual magic involved, the model just could not function in the way it does with that little tissue left on it. There's nothing to hold the spine up, nothing to allow the torso to twist, no connection between the hipbone and the torso, the legs have nothing on them. It's horrific but I am distracted by how absurdly impossible the body looks in an otherwise more or less believable sci fi horror game.

The original stalker is too unrealistic to accept that they could even be alive, the retail stalker is actually easily plausible that the human body could survive like that.

@hotlinemiami33

Жыл бұрын

i think that with the technology the combine possess and the knowledge they could push it to that point

@stanleybochenek1862

Жыл бұрын

you know tbh in the citadel can’t the stalkers just jump off and die cause that’s not a good fate

@nolol9217

Жыл бұрын

@@stanleybochenek1862 the stalkers have been pretty much programmed to do what they do, they are practically robots at this point

@TheEepyMagi

Жыл бұрын

@@hotlinemiami33 but at that point it loses the effect of an uncanny valley of sorts. You jam enough combine tech into a stalker at a certain point players meeting the stalker for the first time wont be as unnerved as they would be if they could recognize "wait, fuck... this thing used to be human, and its on the edge between man and machine against its own will." The beta stalkers look too artificial and geared up to hit that sweet spot of disturbance imo, if that makes sense. Just my take tho, yours is equally valid. Of course the retail stalker's implementation is less than stellar. I wish we coulda gotten something more action-y from them. That way they're less background dressing and actual disturbing worldbuilding

@fawkewe

Жыл бұрын

@@hotlinemiami33 we see snyths that would probably be in a similar situation to the beta stalkers so it does make sense in the game. Although i still prefer the ones we got

I prefer the HL2 stalkers. The design is more believable to me with the abdomen still attached but without the stomach. Also with the little amount of muscle mass and lack of legs, they wouldn't realistically serve any fighting function. I think keeping them in the citedal only is more realistic too. It's like they are myths/rumours/ghost stories of how horrible the Combine are. I think if the stalkers were known or openly public to the world, it would work against the Combines long game strategy against humanity.

@6Tainted1370

Жыл бұрын

Excellent point.

Beta HL2 just had a way of being so uncomfortably dark in a great way

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

It really was!

@stanleybochenek1862

Жыл бұрын

Yeah

@Yora21

Жыл бұрын

It feels like some Hellraiser or Event Horizon kind of game rather than a sequel to Half-Life.

I think the name in retail comes more from their physical appearance and haunting demeanor than the act of stalking itself. They slowly roam around the halls of Combine controlled areas like zombies with their thin, rigid, stalk-like limbs. It isn't hard to imagine why your average person seeing this would give them such a spooky name. When it comes to if I prefer retail or beta, definitely retail. While the beta stalkers are horrifying, they're just *way* to over the top for me.

@lordxilon

Жыл бұрын

Late but you also have to imagine that the resistance probably has either seen or heard rumors about the Stalkers, it's like the Synths from FO4. People disappear and all of a sudden, more of those *things* show up.

Man I love Skyrionn’s content. It’s very amazing and has a lot of live put into it

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

It comes from a genuine love of the series! Thanks for watching!

My dream was always that many assets and ideas for the beta would be used to tell a story around Adrian Shepard in a US city as it's mini citadel tower loses power at the time of the end of HL2.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

I would kill for an Adrian game or story.

@ScudX

Жыл бұрын

@@Skyrionn So would Shepard!

I love HL and all its iterations, beta content, books, comics, and everything. It is bar none my favorite series of any media, and I consider myself to be an expert on the topic and its lore. You continually impress me with both how engrossing you are able to make content I already know inside and out, and manage to sprinkle in tidbits from interviews that even I had no idea about. Tenouttaten, glad to be subbed!

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

It comes from a genuine love of the series! I'm happy to impress you too! This was my first video dive into a complete beta topic. From the reception - I think I'll be doing more.

@OGbluetooth_

Жыл бұрын

@@Skyrionn yes please! I never really got into half life, played it a few times as a kid, but your content on the games is really interesting and I'd like to learn more about cut content, it's a cool thing!

I think Valve moving away from it being as grimdark as possible during development was better I feel but the beta stalkers were fascinating A video about the Air Exchange or the Wasteland Depot and how they eventually functionally evolved into Nova Prospekt would be interesting

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

I'll add that to my list of video topics for the future :) Thanks for watching!

@jess648

Жыл бұрын

@@Skyrionn no problem! the 700+ maps of the leak tell us a really interesting story of how development had progressed up to September 2003

Lore I've never heard of? You took it up a notch my friend

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

Always aiming to surprise you!

@codymcgrath2.3bviews3secon7

Жыл бұрын

@@Skyrionn And you always do and that's why we come back!

@HOTD108_

Жыл бұрын

It's non-canon lore.

@codymcgrath2.3bviews3secon7

Жыл бұрын

Aware of that but still wasn't aware about the Beta stalker

I love coming back to old games and then still see a very much alive and active community. Keep on with all this amazing content!

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, will do!

@lucre113

Жыл бұрын

Bruh ofc half life is going to have an active community 💀 it is arguably the most important game ever made

@HonestGhost21

Жыл бұрын

@@lucre113 All things fade with time. It is only a matter of how long.

@lucre113

Жыл бұрын

@@HonestGhost21 give it a couple more decades

@dogman3362

Жыл бұрын

Cheers from the Oblivion and Morrowind communities. Still going strong.

I would like to see a video on all the cut enemies and what they might have been used for out of universe, and maybe even some speculation on what lore there might have been in universe, like the cremator or the Combine Assassin

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

That's a great idea. For the meatier topics, they'll get their own video :D

Holy shit the original HL2 really was going to be an endlessly depressing nightmare of a game in terms of atmosphere and lore. I like the ideas of the beta a lot in general but all in all I sort of prefer the final version due to it not being quite as dire and pessimistic.

@bombocrusty4251

Жыл бұрын

Also like, alot of the darker lore is just kind of over the top cartoonishly dark in my opinion. I prefer a version of the combine that is yes, fucked up, but not to the extent where it seems like they are doing the most fucked up shit imaginable for no reason. Idk eventually it just makes it feel less like a real alien empire and more like the contents of an edgy 15 year-olds sketchbook

@signs80

9 ай бұрын

​​@@bombocrusty4251It kind of makes sense in some way to have the stalkers as they are in the beta for psychological warfare purposes. I do agree though that they struck a good balance of horror elements in the final release without them being so ridiculously over the top. It seems like it could exist as a result of an uncaring alien empire focused on efficiency and not some overlord that enjoys creating horror for its own sake.

Ravenholm is my favorite level in HL2 I wish we had more levels like that but with Stalkers at night in city 17. I wish valve released some sort of directors which included that type of cut content.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

I'd be down for that too!

I never think of half life when i think of sci-fi and alien creatures, because youre just on earth most of the time and most alien creatures you may come across have been modified by the combine so much they just resemble machines instead. But these concepts the game has especially with its body horror aspect makes for some really awesome designs, i think taking half-life into other universes and seeing more of the combine would be amazing.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

I think that is the hope for a possible next instalment of the Half-Life series - a greater insight into The Combine Empire.

As far as Im aware, the stalkers in the cannon have essentially the same story. I wish they were explored much more perhaps destroying a smaller facility like Nova Prospekt where its far more apparent whats going on and perhaps with stalker variations. For example, the ones we have now are essentially technicians but maybe theres ones with blades on their arms and stuffed with various exploding things like poisonous gas or just explosives. Perhaps the visor would be closed until theyre needed. Thisd give the combine something to drop from drop pods like the headcrabs but more vicious and demoralizing. Maybe called suiciders or, for a slightly lighter term, berserkers. Theyd definitely fit a setting where the Combine are losing their grip on humanity and need to use slave soldiers instead of willing volunteers. Im thinking theyd run up to you and leap onto you like the fast zombies.

It’s very amazing to know that us humans only require very few things to survive, but it’s terrifying to think how other beings can take advantage of that.

I love seeing stuff like this talking about beta/cut content. Really intriguing ideas.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

Oh there's a lot more to come!

Hey bro, thanks for the video! Half life is one of my all time favorites and it's a tragedy that we never got episode 3 or even a third stand alone installment. Keep up the good work!! The video is on point, as always!

Would enjoy videos on other cut beta combine forces, like the super soldier, assassin, etc.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

So many topics to come!

Been loving these lore videos lately! Really hoping we get some sort of continuation of the HL/Portal story following the success of Alyx.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

There's more to come! I am loving the topics I'm covering more too! Beta content seems like a great way forward too!

I feel like the moral dilemma part was added into the Headcrab Zombies. Sure, they seem mindless, but they used to be human, and are implied to still be conscious. Considering the pain they're probably in, I usually just put them out of their mercy. Some might not, though.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

I would do the same. It would be an act of mercy.

this dude always creates the best lore videos on most interesting game aspects. very good for background listening!

The combine wouldn't call them stalkers, but it is likely the resistance could've coined the name. Owing to the staggering gait they have, they move as though they're stalking.

I enjoy so much this HL2 videos, since I replayed all the games these weeks.

In an infinite universe, such as ours, the Combine actually exists…

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

It's a scary thought

found you from the portal halflife lore video respect and props to you man and i think ill be sticking around :D

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sticking around!

thanks for the video!! that beta half life looked soooo cool honestly with that total dystopian theme, I'd LOVE to see some content that delves deeper!!

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

It appears you guys really like the beta stuff. I'll absolutely be adding more content like this to the channel!

Always loved the design of the stalkers, Both the Beta and the Release version That said perhaps we will see a shift towards the darker tone going forwards in the next installment of the series, HLA already had some slight hints towards that with certain story elements. As for content I would love to see you cover, I would love to see a video on the beta versions of the various combine creatures that got completly removed from the game.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

I pretty much agree with your whole comment. I'm excited to see what a potential future instalment would bring!

Hey @Skyrionn! Will you be doing more Half Life 2 beta creatures, weapons, and concepts? I think it would be interesting for you to give out the planned behaviors of npcs, how they would attack, and also even what they sounded like.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

It's currently the plan! There's more beta stuff to come :D

I love half life's early concepts and cut content its always very cool getting a behind the scenes of your favorite media

Dudeeee your storytelling is amazing as always

I think they changed the stalkers to sort of mirror the final stage of the headcrab zombies that you find in ravenholm, two paths to dominate humans, to make them mindless beasts, first by Xen's standards, then by the Combine. Either way, its horrible to look at.

Stalkers in beta are definitely a really cool design, but the much more subtle final design makes for a more believable piece of body horror imo. Even down to the way that the final design doesn't twitch like the beta but instead does a tiny swing from side to side that personally looks inhuman in such a way that it gets under my skin and creeps me out, but also again sells their believe-ability and the fact that they've truly become a husk of a human.

I hope you make more beta videos about characters and how areas used to be like during the beta!

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

A ton of topics have been added to the list!

Great video as always! Very sad and traumatic the Stalkers. Are you going to do a video on the story of the beta?

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

I am thinking about it. The issue with the story of the beta is that it went through a ton of different variations. It'd take some time to put something together. Maybe one day!

While I like the "body horror" aesthetic of the beta stalkers (they are utterly horrifying for sure), I feel as if the retail stalkers are more realistic and lore-accurate. The beta stalkers, although creepy, look so frail and corpse-like, it is a bit hard to imagine how they are able to live, fight or do anything at all. The retail stalkers feel more like what an actual "mutilated slave husk" might look like.

I like the fact that instead of being used to stalk and hunt down their former allies in the resistance, they become an integral part of the overall functioning of the combine that's hunting down their former allies in the resistance. It's just as dark, but in a more disconnected and subtle way.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

That's a great point!

The belts around the emaciated spine really gets to me. Super grim.

I think what makes your channel special is the little set pieces you make, those camera angles. It is inspiring stuff.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

Part of my process is trying to make the visuals as interesting and as immersive as possible. I could make this whole thing with generic gameplay footage but that would just take the passion out of it for me. Thanks for noticing the effort :) I do appreciate it!

More half life 2 beta videos would be awesome!

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

It seems to be wanted! I'll make more ☺

Would be insane to implement but I reckon the first few times we encountered them have the stalkers "recognized" certain npcs and have them try and interact with them before reverting to their mental conditioning and become wild again and leave them relatively ambiguous. Had they not chose to kill Eli have him "go missing" and then Gordon and alyx bump into some and a vaguely "Eli" stalker tries to recognize alyx and then when the pieces fall into place have some emotional story come from that. That way Ted's personal and emotional dilemma he wanted the stalkers to emmit can come true while keeping the visual story telling aspect of hl:2 alive

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

This comment. That would have been a super dark way to go if Eli or any of the characters we grew close to were turned into a stalker. I see this in a similar line to the Big Daddys in Bioshock.

@ackthegreat6697

Жыл бұрын

Bro if eli became a stalker in a hl game in the future i would uninstall the game and sit in a hot shower for 5 hours

@Jimmyknapp2

Жыл бұрын

@@ackthegreat6697 Raising the bar: no wait that's horrifying lower it a little

You make some fantastic content! Thanks for the video :)

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

That's really kind of you to say! Thank you for watching!

I love to add the beta stalkers to those places you mention I wonder if anyone can make a mod for that

I think the design of the retail Stalkers fits better into Half-Life, but the function of the beta Stalkers does seem like it would have been a lot more fun.

beta content hype!! now that i know about these beta stalkers i gotta agree; their original concept sounds so much better! i also like well thought out scripted events, makes the world seem more alive.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you. Looks like I'll also be doing more beta content!

Killer video, great job man

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Nick!

My man doesn't miss with this content. Absolute banger as usual

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

Thanks bud!

I like the retail ones. They look more realistic, like a gaunt holocaust survivor. The beta ones look like they should be dead and far too skeletal, which makes it kinda hard to imagine yourself as them, since they come off a bit "generic" imo.

@jess648

Жыл бұрын

something about the fixed expression of terror on the dried up almost unrecognizable muzzled face in that one piece of concept art is horrifying in a way that feels even too dark for HL2’s early development

I think they behavior as enemies eventually carried out to the fast headcrab zombies The stalker name still doesn't fit but i still like their presence and lore in the game, still find them extremely disturbing, it's tamer than the beta but still very dark and disturbing

Great vid! Stalkers were already a sad existence but this Beater variant manages to be even worst. So rusty and soulless husks. Creepy AF.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

They're honestly so sad to look at

Half the video I was wondering why you were saying beater stalker but I realized it was beta stalker. Anyways a really great video.

11:18 the retail stalker still has abdominal muscles to hold up its upper half. They might've erred on the side of realism for anatomy.

I like to think that the beta stalkers are still out there, Gordon and Alyx just haven't had the misfortune to encounter them. Maybe anyone who has hasn't lived to tell

I always enjoy your lore deepdive!

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

I enjoy you being here.

Which mods did you use to record the beta footage? It seems like there is a plethora of beta mods but not many seem finished.

13:02 - 13:15 You know how when Gordon enters Nova Prospekt by disabling the external defenses and it easily gets overrun by antlions due to said defenses (the thumpers) being offline. Well I thought maybe since you can hear the Overwatch voice saying sectors are overrun or containment breaches are happening left and right that perhaps the antlions could have breached an area where stalkers are kept and the stalkers wake up without orders or something and as a result have nothing to do except aimlessly wander Nova Prospekt and Gordon randomly encounters them during the level. That could possibly be an explanation plot-wise that could make your idea of encountering them in other levels work.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

That's a great idea tbh - it would have really been great if that was the case.

Please do more beta stuff, its something unique imo!

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

This is the response I wanted tbh! More beta content to come!

Dude videos like this remind me how much I love the world of Half life. Its to the point where I don't even care about a 3rd game anymore, I just want more of the world explored in more games. Like If valve released a Half life game that took place in a completely different city with new characters I would be ALL OVER that

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

Half-Life is truly a goldmine for Valve. It would be great for them to explore the rest of the wasteland. I'm always happy to explore more of HL and the games surrounding it.

As soon as he said "beeta" instead of "beta" I knew I was in for an experience

The half life beta was Dark and gritty.

I feel the retail stalkers are better overall, they look more human, and thus more disturbing. The beta ones look more like a robot than a person. The retail ones have more natural looking skin and the animations on the retail ones are way more fitting. No one in that state would have the energy to act like the beta ones.

@zestyzucc7645

Жыл бұрын

I do prefer the crude, rusted faceplates with numerous holes, as well as the tooth bars, implying they've gone feral with time and need to be controlled in that regard. But I agree, the retail stalkers are better.

This is the type of videos i love to watch before sleep

4:33 that's actually a combine soldier without his kevlar.

I think Beta stalkers were too edgy, like some sort of BDSM-themed "spooky skeletons" with their hand-stitched bone-tight leather, taken straight from something like Hellraiser or Silent Hill. The stalkers we eventually got reflect the ruthlessly pragmatic nature of the Combine: Process the captured malcompliants with the minimum of effort and put them to work within what could be mere hours.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

I've seen quite a few Silent Hill comparisons since posting this. I see it too!

The beta ones are really too immersion breaking for me. That kind of body horror might scare kids, and it might have scared me pretty bad when I was a kid (similar to those Zelda zombies), but as an adult with a fairly decent understanding of the human body -- just look at those things. You sneeze on one and it'd fall down and die. It would be highly unlikely that they'd even have the muscle strength to move those arms with any kind of metal bolted onto them. And we're to believe they'd have the agility and endurance to "stalk" anything. I think that's why they put the new versions in the Citidal and just had them being passive. Someone probably looked at them, and did the WTF emote, how do these work? They should barely be able to stand, let alone recognize or attack people. Which is also probably why they got more fleshed out with a more realistic looking body, and not just skin down to the spine. Body horror can be an intense scare, but take it too far into the uncanny, and it becomes a joke. I remember being really annoyed with the way Outlast did some of their body horror too. So many burly and muscular dudes running around when no one is eating right or exercising in the way that bulks up the body like that. Body horror that's half-assed just feels insulting. And there's lots of games that do similar stuff. I think the biggest offenders is when they have withered, rotting, or outright crippled people, and have them behave like Olympian athletes in the games. Like any of ya ever see what the flu does to a person's energy level? And we're to believe that some half-withered dude living in a cave for 20 years has the strength to punch someone? He'd break every bone in his arm if he could apply any reasonable force to it. Usually the best way around these kinds of issues is when games do something like magical zombies, magic can do anything! Or you have some kind of alien/biological influence like the plant-based monsters in The Last of Us. Headcrab zombies are borderline. You can argue that a headcrab can "control" a human body, but that body is still limited to its physical attributes. And if the human host is dead, all of that muscle is essentially rotting and won't be very effective after a few days/weeks. I'm not sure if the headcrabs actually mutate the body and enhance it. I think they mutate claws and stuff, so maybe there's some more biological melding going on. ================== Another big point I just wanted to drop, is that if you actually had stalkers like the beta ones in the game roaming the road. Their immune system would be absolutely shot, and any kind of infection, allergies, or contaminated water/fluid getting into those stitches would basically be a death sentence. Overall, the video is pretty good. I like learning about new game things. And I think games should be creative and try new things. But pseudo realism requires more surgery than butchery to get it right.

@JustinTK416

Жыл бұрын

About Outlast though, those dudes were pretty much mutated by the Morphogenic Engine… which is never really explained, but can be summed as pretty much a vaguely demonic influence with acute mutative properties. I forget how it all ties together, but it basically drives you crazy (if you’re not already), then starts changing you into some demi-human by screwing up your active biological functions. Whether it just makes you a bit uglier or into a hulking beast depends on both how much you were exposed, and random chance.

@nauscakes1868

Жыл бұрын

@@JustinTK416 Huh, I didn't know that. It makes sense! I remember watching a playthrough a long time ago when it came out. I think the machine thing was suppose to be like a spoiler/reveal at the end, so it makes sense that I would have forgotten about it. Now that I think about it. I think The Forest does something similar. ---- Would be nice if RL radiation and mutations could make people super strong instead of super dead, lol!

I love your videos. You have an amazing talent in narration, I watch your videos nonstop. Also can you talk about half life 2 beta gman.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

All topics from the beta have been added to the list of possible videos :)

I think it'd be cool for you to make more beta videos. I agree with the creatures I like the original intention and look for them. There's a lot of stuff that I don't know that they got rid of because of the leak. Also where did you get the file for the beta stalker model; is it on Gmod?

I think it's pretty clear that the Retail stalkers are much better designed, the retooling did a lot for them. The beta ones look way too "half-life 1" while the retail stalkers are actually more clearly "ruined humans"

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

I can understand your point there!

I think the retail version of the stalkers look more realistic in terms of implementation. The beta versions look more like skeleton monsters while in retail they retain an uncanny resemblance to humans, making it more disturbing to me

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

The resemblance to humanity may make them appear more haunting I guess! I can see that viewpoint!

I remember playing AirEx and these guys sent chills down my spine I was a little disappointed with the retail version of them not being as scary but I can understand why they changed them, It is a miracle they even kept them in the game and it is good that they expanded upon them in Episode 1 making them have a bigger role for the first few chapters.

One of the most intriguing characters thanks Skyrionn

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Keanu! Suggestions are welcome for future topics too!

I honestly prefer the look of the HL2 Stalkers. Sure they're not nearly as extreme, but the problem with the beta version is it's _so_ extreme it's hard to suspend your disbelief for them. It's horrible, but I couldn't imagine myself being turned into one because it wouldn't actually _work._ The HL2 ones are terrifying though, because they look like they could actually exist in real life. Their bodies look like real malnourished people, their skin looks like real illnesses. You can see more of their face and it looks human. When I look at them, I can imagine being turned into one. And that's _terrifying._ Not to mention, in this world where most things are trying to kill you, Stalkers don't. They just keep doing their job without caring about their surroundings. And you realise, when the Combine is defeated, the Stalkers won't become human again. They will keep doing their job until someone has the heart to put them down.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

That someone was us hopefully.

@grunch967

Жыл бұрын

That's why I find the ones we got more terrifying, too. On top of all that, I think the HL2 stalkers probably have to be more intelligent to operate the machinery that they do, and they wouldn't constantly be in some kind of "fight" mode, so they probably have a higher chance of retaining more of who they once were...

🤓🤓🤓0:17 aaamm You see accrully thats a gun ship🤓🤓🤓

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

Whoops 😂

Imagine having to put the video speed to 1.5 to make it sound like its normal speed, gotta love this time stretching to increase ad money.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

So close!

I can diffidently imagine or guess the beta stalkers that attacked the player evolved into the Fast Zombies we got in Ravenholm since thinking on it now eerily fits the description of the beta stalkers pretty closely, so maybe they were still planned into Half Life 2 but would've been more fitting as the zombies however seemingly going against what Ted wanted/visualized

The beta stalkers remind me of the slayer from The suffering. In future half life games it would be cool if they bring back the beta stalker but rename it the predator stalker. As always good video skyrionn.

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

I'll have to look into The Suffering. Always great to see your name pop up Hyperion!

too dark, too gritty!

@streetystuff

Жыл бұрын

make me hit the dark n' griddy

@hl2betafan

Жыл бұрын

woppa ganga style

@hl2betafan

Жыл бұрын

wop wop wop wop woppa ganga style

Another fine video Skyrionn. Can’t wait for next week’s video keep it up my guy. Sincerely your belgian neighbour

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy! Next week is something a little different. I'll see you there.

I would like to think there are maybe different versions of the stalkers or different stages of their torture. Also a bit off topic but the beta stalkers remind me of something you'd see in TimeSplitters.

God you know this is a great design when it's genuinely uncomfortable just to look at (in a good way I should stress). Like even some necromorphs don't look this horrifying.

Beta stalkers? They made twitter users a real thing!

In my AU, The “Stalker”s plays a role as Guard Dogs for the Civil Protection. Not sure about their abilities, but they look almost similar to the Beta Variant of the Stalkers.

1:19 Likely the basis for skellies from They Hunger.

I actually think the retail versions look a lot creepier. The ones in the beta are too cartoonish.

half life 2 beta was better

@9pop529

Жыл бұрын

some parts but not all

@SuspiciousAppleJuice

Жыл бұрын

nah, fits less with hl2 and too dark for most players to enjoy, also a lot of parts were scuffed and hard to find the right path

@hazzmati

Жыл бұрын

How do you even know it was never released.

@SuspiciousAppleJuice

Жыл бұрын

@@hazzmati ?????

@TheRealEnclave

11 ай бұрын

​@@hazzmati It was leaked, some German hacker posted it online in 2003.

You’re videos make me want to go and beat the half life series but I’ve tried so many times and I just can’t do it. It’s too before my time

@Skyrionn

Жыл бұрын

Maybe just watch some "Let's Plays" then? You get to experience it without the frustration :)

i just for the first time beat hl2 and i waited till the end of the credits to see if there was anything and there is you'll hear the guy yelling trying to find lamar so lamar drops down and jumps at the camera