This is the first solution to climate change I have ever heard that actually seems sustainable.

These speeches are always so good

Very interesting talk Lisa, thanks so much. Good luck to you all xx

what a great and hopeful presentation. I can't wait to try the flour and oil made from the food item she discusses. outstanding

Lisa Dyson should talk to Google about vertical farming.

I wish there were more details... I learned all I needed about her whole speech in the first 4 minutes... Not that it's a bad idea, but I just want more information about this technology. It seems really interesting, but I was a little disappointed that the speaker did not go into any great detail about how this technology works.

Soylent green is people!!!

Great idea !:) this would be a important thing now and in the future !!

Amazing! This discovery / innovation has revolutionary possibilities for our humanity and planet 🌏

This could save a lot of lives, keep in mind what happened when Norman Borlaug helped people when he created a better kind of crop cultivation in his day and is estimated to save over a billion lives. It also sounds excellent that they might have a solution for palm oil deforestation, that's fantastic!

This is actually revolutionary!

Brilliant TED talk!

@AvailableUsernameTed

7 жыл бұрын

+

Very interesting and informative.

Not enough details, too many stock photos. I'm intrigued by her technology, but this talk is too watered down

@iluan_

7 жыл бұрын

I haven't read her work, but from her talk and what I know of biochemistry I can give you some insights. Those hydrogenotrophs she mentioned are organisms that can use hydrogen as a source of energy and to fix carbon; this can be done either as CO2 + 4H2 → CH4 + 2H2O or as 2 CO2 + 4 H2 → CH3COOH + 2H2O. This way of fixing carbon is more efficient than photosynthesis, and because the process is done with microorganisms it has the advantage that one can grow them in a vertical tank (just like we already do with yeasts ad bacteria in bioreactors), thus saving space. Now unlike photosynthesis this process doesn't need light, it just needs a supply of hydrogen, which can be obtained from breaking water using an electric current or using photo-catalytic water splitting. This is why she says it is location independent, because it can be done anywhere as long there is electricity; no need for the fertile soils and good weather that people look for under rainforests. Also using simple genetic engineering one can make the cells produce basically any biological compound (like in this case palm oil), again with better efficiency than plants. The catch is that the energy to get the hydrogen must come from something that doesn't have CO2 emissions, otherwise the process would emit more Carbon than it sequesters. Also, as far as I'm aware there isn't any reliable technique to do generic engineering i hydrogenotrophs, and there is very little info on their physiology.

@MrHansiping

7 жыл бұрын

This is a great explanation. Thanks!

@P1ranh4

7 жыл бұрын

+iluan Hernandez To make this carbon neutral or even capturing however, the electrcity to produce the Hydrogen has to come from neutral sources as well. Burning coal to grow food is a bit insane, but luckily carbon capture is not the only benefit of this technology.

@iluan_

7 жыл бұрын

P1ranh4 I agree, that's why I said "the energy to get the hydrogen must come from something that doesn't have CO2 emissions, otherwise the process would emit more Carbon than it sequesters."

@noviceprepper5397

7 жыл бұрын

to me her presentation was an introduction and an overview which I liked. the audience response was odd though

great talk good job!

I have a hard time trusting people who say they can fix all your problems, but they're the only ones who know how, and they want to charge you for it.

@MUXmrk2

7 жыл бұрын

welcome to capitalism brother

@Zahlenteufel1

7 жыл бұрын

capitalism is bad. communism is good but it doesn't work with humans because we are bad. gg wp ff20

@MissMarinaCapri

7 жыл бұрын

. I do not trust her smile. We can't all get along with 4 billion. What makes you think it's going to be any better with 10?

@JustOneAsbesto

7 жыл бұрын

Aviri Char Nothing to do with the science content, BRUV, she just seems like a snake-oil salesman.

@JustOneAsbesto

7 жыл бұрын

Aviri Char You're reading far too much into my initial comment. I never said anything about the validity of the science.

Its too bad she only spoke in glaring generalities but this reminds me a lot of the company TerraVia (formerly Solazyme). Their "platform" is based on algae instead of bacteria but they produce a variety of specialized oils for applications from food products to cosmetics. They are able to vary the properties of the oil to fit the specific needs of a client. Back when oil was $100+/barrel they were regarded as a potential fuel play but pivoted after the price collapse. Lately they are focusing on food products.

Thank You

Wow, I had no idea. What a great idea. A truly symbiotic relationship, not that we aren't already full of those same types of microbe symbiosis inside and outside our bodies, so why wouldn't it work on an industrial scale. Smart thinking. REALLY !!

This would have fascinated me six years ago when the talk was given. But today, hearing that the company she founded, Air Protein, is getting lots of venture capital backing, and is making a really credible looking series of meat alternatives, on top of all the things mentioned? Yeah, sign me up. Like, to be able to buy some stock.

quick question, how much would this cost so I could set up a small version in my own back yard

Thanks for your brilliance, perseverance and thoughts about recycling carbon. Let's hope that people don't go off on a tangent and think that the only thing they need to do is recycle carbon on one end while we waste, war and wither because of our own arrogance, greed and mistreatment of our planet. Stop putting plastic in the oceans or the trees for example.

The ancient Jewish writings about the 40 years in the desert described a device that produced what was called manna and was used for food. I think this device was reproduced based upon descriptions in the writings in the 1960s and is (probably) the experiment she describes in her talk.

Good idea overall, but first we need to address the fact that roughly one third of the food produced in the world for human consumption every year - approximately 1.3 billion tonnes - gets lost or wasted, often on purpose. This might sound crazy, but how about before we start looking for space age ways to grow more food, we begin by eliminating the wasteful nature we already have? www.fao.org/save-food/resources/keyfindings/en/

We really have to change the mindset of "how are we going to cater for an increased population" and start focusing on how to prevent a population increase in the first place. It is awesome work people are doing with these sustainability projects but how about the minds of the world start looking at the big picture and collaborate on the root of the problem instead of focusing on just their individual niche projects and putting a band-aid on a broken leg. Cutting the population is the only way to remedy the deep seeded social issues that plague the world, the reality is the major problems have been caused by the scientific minds themselves, progress has skewed the balance of life, more people living better healthier lives, more babies being born, more sick and old living longer, more resources being used by all. This is only going to result and already is, by more strain on the resources, more people not being able to access them to live a healthy life, more people getting sick an suffering, more people in poverty, all because because of progress and many many many more times the number of people suffering then there ever was before this progress. People need to stop having so many babies, nobody needs a litter of children to make them happy, have one and raise them well even if you have the funds to raise an army. We should give those who are terminally ill the option voluntary euthanasia while they still have their dignity, we should stop prolonging suffering through medication which does nothing but extend life without improving it, we should stop being selfish and start thinking of what is best for us as a whole instead of what is best for us as individuals.

@jacklynyeh4893

7 жыл бұрын

unless you do the whole mass genocide thing i don't think you're gonna stop population growth. and really; population growth isn't a big issue. it's wasting resources that's a big issue.

@alichi101

7 жыл бұрын

People automatically stop having many children as they get richer and more educated. Having many children simply becomes too expensive, too timeconsuming (gets in the way of career, education etc.) and unnecessary. As thirdworld countries get richer and more people get access to education they will have fewer children. Sure they will be the outliers with over half a dozen children anyway but they will be just that, outliers.

Excellent! What a low energy audience, disappointing cuz one presumes these are folks who have the smarts to help save the literal planet and the lives on it. Correlates to why we are in such dire straits, mayhaps? Thank you for standing up and out, very exciting, a way to feed us and keep the earth!!!!

9:27 and the guy on the right at 9:31 xD

Could anyone please give me a link to the NASA papers which she is talking about?

super cool. hope you get funded

Super charging process can be highly involved...

im in lets go!

this is an amazing idea i think that we should go for same

does anyone know of any literature that exists on this topic. I'm curious about the hydrogen - eating bacteria.

Wow!

I plan on only eating carbon dioxide and hydrogen now, floating off into the atmosphere, ascending into a being of pure energy and exploring space. While these ideas are great and have their place in industry or some of my favourite sci-fi novels, the devil is always in the details. Like the sources of feedstock containing macro and micronutrients needed to culture the specific organisms, to the genetic evolution and/or design of the organisms that produce the compounds efficiently, not to mention the energy needed to maintain the facilities. Or the fact that food is not just nutrients. That in one leaf of Spinach you can be eating at least 800 endophyte organisms that live inside it, not to mention the others that come along for the ride on the surface that people try to but don't actually wash off. This type of thinking is a boon if you're into reductionist food, and would make for a great source of Soylent ingredients. Who doesn't want a home-based Soylent generator that lives in the basement or under ones house?

The real solution to the ghgs emissions and food problem would be to stop breeding animals since it takes much more resources to produce 1Kg of meat than it takes to produce 1Kg of vegetables. Not to mention that much of the grains we cultivate is used to feed those very animals

Nice idea..

Erhm.. slight problem? On a spaceship, turning water into hydrogen is not a problem since the sun is always shining so until you get to Mars you'll always have lots of electricity. How, exactly, is it you propose to turn water into hydrogen on a rainy day in December in Ohio? Just that as far as I know, most methods of doing this require either a lot of electricity or a lot of coal. Which is not surprising, really, I mean for humans to get energy by eating food that energy has to come from somewhere, and if you're not using the Sun... So yeah, hydrogenotropes might become a good way to produce carbon neutral food without sunlight once someone works out how to make electricity without carbon or sunlight (say through nuclear fusion right here on Earth), but really, once someone does that why not use algae and growth lights to produce carbon-negative food? It's probably more energy efficient (after a billion years of continuous optimization), can be turned into the same food-like products, and requires a far smaller PR budget to convince people it isn't unnatural. Or you could use the same growth lights with hydroponics/aeroponics to grow grain, vegetables and fruits in vertical farms. Less efficient, but better taste.

@IrisNebula7023

7 жыл бұрын

You couldn't have said it better. This is one thing that struck me as I watched, she says hydrogenotropes need no sunlight but completely ignores the fact that they do need energy input to do their work and if we are talking food production on a global scale then that is a significant amount of energy. The other thing that hit me was the moment she said current agriculture is the largest producer of greenhouse gases. This is a very common misconception but for someone who starts her talk with how a closed cycle system works, you would expect her to be able to tell the difference between the carbon cycle happening in agriculture (atmospheric CO2 -> plants -> animals -> CO2), which by the way adds zero carbon to the atmosphere, and transportation releasing fossilized CO2 that has been long gone from the atmosphere. So, as she is obviously trying to KNOWINGLY promote her idea based on false facts I call BS on the whole concept.

@TheAnnoyingGunner

7 жыл бұрын

The thing with artificial lighting is that you will loose energy. Much energy. You have about 1700 kWh/m² per year in sunlight (which equals nearly 200 W/m² in average, at the northern inflection point of the sun), which has to be turned into electricity. With an efficiency of in average 14% concerning the current tech solar cell itself and 75% concerning the usual fixed angle of the solar cell, the resulting overall efficiency of solar cells is only about 11%, resulting in an average of 22 W/m² of the 195 W/m² daily sunlight. Then, your average plant will take up about 17,5% of the midday sunlight spectrum, which is about 34 W/m² (assuming 80% chlorophyll a and the rest b; you'd have to numerically integrate the spectra for yourself). The most important factor you are able to choose now is the use of the wavelengths of your lights, as the different types of chlorophyll absorb differently but also seem to have different roles in the plant metabolism. The better your LEDs are specialized, the better your energy efficiency, here you can expect roughly 60% (usually broad emission spectrum) or up to 90% (small emission spectrum) efficiency. And then there is the LED power efficiency that may change with further improvements, at the moment you can expect about 10-20% efficiency in the range of lights for growing, the shorter the wavelenght the worse the efficiency. Recap: Your plant gets 34 W/m² under sunlight. Your sun2LED2plant conversion has at best an efficiency of 2% with 4 W/m². At the very best. The other side is of course, that growing your plants via hydroponics and especially aeroponics reduces your energy demand in the other places drastically, though it's hard to calculate any actual numbers for that. Which include factors that are individually different and rather hard to grasp in hard numbers, like use of fresh water, mineral efficiency and recycling-potential.

@Runiat

7 жыл бұрын

***** From a green house gas standpoint, the problem with agriculture is that cattle and pigs produce a lot of methane gas, which is a much stronger green house gas than carbon dioxide, and while unstable in the atmosphere the extra production increases the equilibrium point. Of course, at no point did she say "we've figured out how to make meat and milk", so really, hydrogenotropes does nothing to help fix this. TheAnnoyingGunner Except the LED-specific part, all of this is true for hydrogenotropes as well unless using fossil fuels directly (and even then syngas production requires you to burn coal to coke and boil large amounts of water, and then cool the resulting gasses to a temperature where they wont kill your hydrogenotropes). Difference is, until we figure out a way to produce unlimited free energy (or at least large amounts of energy that don't require sunlight or fossil fuels), my algae tanks can be put into roofs, motorway bridges, oceans, deserts, and really anywhere the sun shines and the wind blows. Hydrogenotropes need chemicals that aren't readily available in teh Earth's atmosphere.

Where will the phosphorous come from? We are running out

Those in the comments reaching for reasons to dislike this speaker, this talk...WE SEE YOU. You're not fooling anyone.

preach! :-)

This was great! So glad someone was given a platform to speak of tangible ideas that don't involve an idiotic carbon tax. Canada's Trudeau should take note of this.

nice stuff, but there weren't any real numbers, like how much they can produce over how much time... we made oil, we made proteins... yeah yeah but how much over how log and how much it cost compared to convetional approach... i fear this is just another bullshit like making plastic from air

@monogenetic7880

6 жыл бұрын

It's an eleven minute speech. How much detail do you expect in such a short time?

As joke, for years I said that these big brains should be used to fix our more pressing problems before thinking how to go to Mars. Otherwise once you get there you won't have an Earth to go back to.

I would be interested in the energy needed in the total system. Does this take energy or does it produce energy

does anybody know any books on this subject

@itwasapleasuretoburn7236

7 жыл бұрын

***** yes but if shes talking about it then somebody can write about it

Sounds too good to be true

a diet of yeast and mold(solely of yeast and mold) would have a really bad affect anywhere.

@roidroid

7 жыл бұрын

nah

Needs more specific details and demonstration. Sounds theoretic...

@007Bigbob

7 жыл бұрын

I think it's dumbed down....I barely understand it when its dumbed down ok :( halp me understand

@roidroid

7 жыл бұрын

I empathize. But this is the sortof thing that can be deployed and scaled very rapidly, and is really only an evolution of already existing Algae bioreactor tech. If you want to visualise it: Look at large scale Algae bioreactors, and then remove the requirement for sunlight. edit: Hmm, an algae bioreactor is simply an industrial chemical plant with a sunlight component (which greatly complicates it). Remove the sunlight component and you've basically just got a normal industrial chemical plant. Like a factory that produces bread yeast, beer, or medicines. It's just a normal chemical plant, looks pretty standard & boring.

that is really real? that is like the movie transendence?

Can I get these in doritos flavoring?

she had a lovely smile. That dude @ 2:16 has a creepy reaction. 😧

SAVE OUR PLANET #PROFIT

liked before I watched.

@Rapha5019

7 жыл бұрын

why?

@callofduty4702

7 жыл бұрын

MineTipping Time I love anything to do with innovation and space. I think too many people have their heads in the ground.

@Rapha5019

7 жыл бұрын

***** me too, it's awesome to watch this stuff.

@AvailableUsernameTed

7 жыл бұрын

+

A lesson I learned from my advances into aeroponics: Scaling vertically isn't something neccessarily benefitial. You don't change the intensity of the sunlight.

@kokofan50

7 жыл бұрын

The microbes not need sun light. Why don't you watch the video again and listen more carefully.

@TheAnnoyingGunner

7 жыл бұрын

kokofan50 I wonder where you think the chemical energy will come from.

@roidroid

7 жыл бұрын

in deep space? Nuclear energy.

@TheAnnoyingGunner

7 жыл бұрын

roidroid And on earth? I mean, radioactive fuel seems to be pretty abundant, but getting rid of the products is the general problem... After all, the chemical energy of educts used by microbia has to come from somewhere.

@roidroid

7 жыл бұрын

On earth you could use solar. This situation is a bit different to normal vertical farming, as the solar power collection has been decoupled from the vertical structure. So problems of crowding & shade have been moved outof the city to wherever the solar collector is (ie: the desert). Basically, this vertical farming could scale down underground rather than upwards.

If I understand correctly, these bacteria get their energy from hydrogen, right? So it is a closed cycle for carbon, but not for hydrogen. Then the question is, how do you supply the hydrogen to the bacteria? Electrolysis? Then where do you get your electricity from, solar? If yes, then vertical farming with led light might be a better option because at least it produces the food we know, not some tasteless looking stuff.

this is just one giant AD for her company

@jacklynyeh4893

7 жыл бұрын

ok so? if it's useful and good, then it's not a bad ad.

i am wondering where did that microbes, the hydrogenotrophs come from?

@rolfw2336

5 жыл бұрын

Good question.. I appreciate her talk for the inspiration, but I am missing any technical details of these little organisms.

her PowerPoint looks like it was put together by a US eighth grader.

This tech has a problem, which the speaker did not mention. Hydrogenotrophs consume hydrogen gas (H2). Hydrogen gas is not common on Earth. We make most of our industrial H2 from fossil fuels. So it is potentially interesting for food production, but it needs energy from somewhere - it is not a miracle solution. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogenotroph en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production

@MGATTHETV

7 жыл бұрын

I'm really glad you pointed this out! There's always an energy balance. If the hydrocarbons aren't getting that energy from the sun (photosynthesis) then it must come from somewhere else. Yes, producing elemental hydrogen is energy-intensive. And currently we get our energy from fossil fuels. This technology is like turning fossil fuels directly into food, to a far greater extent than we currently do. (Most fertilizers are currently produced from fossil fuels.) It wouldn't make sense to use this technology unless the energy source to make the hydrogen was carbon-neutral.

There's plenty of food! We just waste so much of it...

"They grow in the dark, ..." How it could be? For photosynthesis you need light.

@jacklynyeh4893

7 жыл бұрын

it's not photosynthesis! it's using hydrogen to get energy!!!

@smsreferat

7 жыл бұрын

Where it gets H2? And using H2 it burns it in O2 and gets H2O? So it waste O2 in this case?

@jacklynyeh4893

7 жыл бұрын

+Victor Polezhaev (Smart Subtitles) H2O is the most common place to get hydrogen from, and... We breath oxygen. There's no overabundence of oxygen in the air.

@smsreferat

7 жыл бұрын

ok then )

how would we build those millions of containrs for reactors? Could each community dig a large pond and use it? wouldnt other bacterial species latch on to the food and spoil it? On a really large scale, it does not like such a perfect solution. of course, i would be happy to live on patties made of the protein powder, oil, a little potato or flour binder, and plenty of greens..

Compared to what this would mean (not just ingredients for the food industry, but replacing the source of any and all organic compunds) this presentation was not hype enough.

I loved when she has to dumb up her speech to remind people we already consume microbiological byproducts as food. I bet she gets a lot of "eww. Microbes, gross!" from the ignorant.

Zenn Exile, clearly you're unfamiliar with the intricacies of nanotechnology. We are swiftly approaching the capacity for molecular manufacturing that will allow us to build atom-by-atom, totally eliminating waste and variation in manufacturing processes. We can make sustainable, clean, carbon neutral systems. This is very much in our toolkit, out just isn't appealing to billionaires with a few exceptions.

@brobrah4595

7 жыл бұрын

yes in a lab probs but we need solutions for the near term too.

@AegisNova

7 жыл бұрын

+Bro Brah David S. is talking near term. 3D printers are becoming cheaper, every year.

Came here for NASA, instead got all life as we know it. Eh. Still good. :)

Future: "Were Grandfather, you ate animals!" "Not me, your Grandma and me were vegan.""Ewwwww, you ate plants that grew out of the ground! "

Like micronutrients are the problem.

this talk has amazing implications for the production and consumption of humanity, yet people look so bored while listening to this. hopefully, I'm wrong and they're actually just thinking deeply about the idea presented here.

its like sci fi stories coming to life. when you don't need farmers. when robots take over manufacturing ...........

@jacklynyeh4893

7 жыл бұрын

that's kinda already happening. it's not bad, it just means that humans will do other things. the future is now.

@TehPompkinHead

7 жыл бұрын

+Jacklyn Yeh there are some bad sci fi out there, but I'm fairly optimistic of this revolution coming about for the globe

I notice she said nothing about probable prices of these "air products"

.........or we could just reduce animal agriculture since it's the greatest contributor of greenhouse gases 😑😑😑

It pisses me right off knowing I won't be around to watch new tech and new knowledge come to being in the future😡

#GoChemistry !!

Survivalist preppers, space enthusiasts, environmentalists and vegans unite.

that would be sketch waking up and going downstairs to a ton of food being done....

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

but those pellets do not look appetizing...looks more like chicken feed

Great idea. Unfortunately the presentation doesn’t match it - especially towards the end.

6:44 Muh diversity!

people eat way too much...if all of us would follow our minimum nutritional requirement ..all will be healthier including the environment

-spoiler: she's talking about ALGAE.- edit: well... she also mentions hydrogen-eating bacteria, which is a bit different. But most of what she's talking about with growing protein, harvesting carbon, producing oils, is done with ALGAE. But i guess the tech is branching out from that into hydrogen-eating bacteria, cool.

she's nervous

@jacklynyeh4893

7 жыл бұрын

yeah if i was performing for a HUGE science platform, i'd be nervous too!

@konchus2

7 жыл бұрын

+Jacklyn Yeh lol good point

this is INCREDIBLE! the future is vegan

Did I just hear similar to? That sounds like synthetic food. GMOs are already problematic

@captainheat2314

7 жыл бұрын

why? give us a non bias source

@nnannaotuh1834

7 жыл бұрын

+FOXER Really? Non bias? I am surprised you would be asking for a non biased source because all sources are biased. I hope you know that it is banned in most countries in Europe and Russia. If it wasn't a problem I don't think that will happen.

@captainheat2314

7 жыл бұрын

Nanas O with enough dump people you can get anything banned though

@jonas6259

7 жыл бұрын

No GMOs are not problematic. Synthetic food is also not problematic. Interestingly, there are studies that show that people who do not want genetically modified food also don't want DNA in their food. What just proves how uneducated the majority is.

@nnannaotuh1834

7 жыл бұрын

+FOXER If you are familiar with history the same argument was made for lead and the truth was suppressed using so called scientific evidence, until it became obvious that it was poisonous.

Humans...

first

🫶👏🙏

Sure miss when Ted put out sound scientific material they've completely lost it with the sjw talks. Hope they make a positive change back into talks like this one.

These microbes could be cool to put in a catalytic converter for cars... I want 10% of the money for this idea

but does it take as good as meat...

@crimsoncorsair9250

7 жыл бұрын

gud point lol.

FFS don't say hydrocarbons with that tone, I know you're thinking of fossil fuel replacements that won't fix any of the smog problem and will at best keep recycling the surplus of CO2 that natural carbon sinks can't deal with, on top of needing resources like water and minerals that could be used to make food. The rest I can support, no problem.

50% of all food grain and 90% of soyabean is used to feed animals that we eat. According to FAO if everybody on planet becomes vegan we can feed 14 billion people right now. Animal agriculture is responsible for 14% of all greenhouse gas emission, 91% of amazone rain forest destruction. Transportation account only 12% all greenhouse gas emission. More than 50% of all agricultural land is used to feed animals that we eat. Our oceans are dying due to overfishing. 80% of all antibiotics are used in animal agriculture which creates antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria kills 700000 people every year. So easy solution is go vegan.

talk talk talk saying already obvious things... Everytime I hear a speaker use the term "we" and mean all of humanity - "we should..." "we can...", I know they have achieved practically nothing.

Hard to belive, hard to accept.. something here is fishy

@dutchoven8583

7 жыл бұрын

"Similar to..." That's the fishy part.

@Runiat

7 жыл бұрын

"Uses hydrogen from water" is the fishy part. No sunlight means no photosynthesis means you have to split water into hydrogen and something else before sticking it in the tank. That takes energy.

@roidroid

7 жыл бұрын

It's much easier than the previous strategy tho, which was to grow algae using the direct sunlight. This new way, you can harvest the energy via solar cells and transport the energy via wires, which is a much easier (and more efficient) strategy than pumping algae around roofs. It's better to transport electricity over long distances, than to transport liquids over long distances. (ie: large solar installations can be in a far away locations where they don't get in the way, but your chemical plant can be right in the city where it's products are needed). It also allows you to use alternate sources of energy such as geothermal and nuclear, if needs be.

@Runiat

7 жыл бұрын

roidroid It's not easier than the previous algae in direct sunlight strategy, solar cells are nowhere near as efficient, transporting electricity over large distances is absolutely not better than transporting liquids over large distances, and it doesn't allow the use of any energy sources that wouldn't work just as well with photosynthesis and artificial light, except burning carbon into syngas, but then you're burning coal.

@roidroid

7 жыл бұрын

solar cells are nowhere near as efficient as what?

Jesus christ what's with the smiling

It's true, there is a new law that taxes cow farts!

Imagine this, imagine that. I love the Idea, but where are actual photos of where they are with the study at the moment? What about risk assessment? This must be at a very early stage of development. Also I'm surprised NASA would abandon such a useful idea... Smells fishy

@Fennek90

7 жыл бұрын

i agree...

Matt Damon beat this ted talks to the punch