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There was clearly a fake Sister Lucy. Yes, the message of Our Lady remains!

@anguslean4058

2 ай бұрын

You never got the real third secret

@waffleman1299

2 ай бұрын

@@anguslean4058hand writing analysis experts believe that the published third secret was from the real sr. Lucy. The theory is that there was a second envelope that explained the contents of the vision, which was never released

@anguslean4058

2 ай бұрын

@@waffleman1299 either way we were lied to.

No one wants to downplay the message of Fatima, except the people who put a false ‘Lucy’ in place. She was an impostor, and said things that insinuated the third secret was no big deal….. she also swore in Jesus’s holy Name, audibly on camera. She was the ‘SrLucia’ pictured with JP II. There is a scandal here, no doubt. If anything, knowing how desperately ‘they’ have tried to downplay the real message of Fatima actually makes the desire to pray in the ways Our Lady has asked even stronger.

I believe what is a big deal is that people with in the hierarchy of the Church have done something evil and have been trying to squash any message from our Blessed Mother and it appears that they will go to great lengths to do this. Jacinto was deeply worried about souls being lost and going to hell due to incorrect guidance.This is serious and needs to be stopped souls are at risk. Pray for the Church

@Ken-bj9uy

2 ай бұрын

Why would a Catholic go to hell for following a leader of what turns out to be a false doctrine being taught by a priest? Who decides what us false? We may not learn what is false until we die.

@jameshustoles87

2 ай бұрын

@@Ken-bj9uy we have been told that it is now written on our hearts and that was given to us from God if a Preist or anyone in the hierarchy misguids us because of their personal opinion, that does not give us a pass God gave us an intellect and will that we must use

Yes there was a fake sister Lucy. You know how I know? Because I have eyes!

@CatholicMailman

2 ай бұрын

Exactly! This guy is a tool of the modernists!

whoever may be behind this hideous act , completely dismissed GOD and acted as GOD ..i dont believethe faithful will in anyway deviate fr the Fatima message but theirs is a matter of justice due to this saintly woman sister lucia ..and a imposter not only stealing her identity but she spoke of the message as a imposter....yes to me its a big deal because this great lady needs justice...AVE MARIA🙏🙏🙏

It seems apparent through scientific expert analysis, not to mention the evil intentions of the modernists, and just observing the two women in questiom side by side, that there was indeed a replacement. There is no intention here to impugn anything to do with Father Gruner or the true message of Our Lady of Fatima.

Her Immaculate Heart will Triumph

It is prudent to keep and live the message of Fatima, but it does not mean we discredit the injustice done against the real Sister Lucia. Simply discarding how the enemies of Christ were able to covertly remove the real Seer of Fatima, this mindset puts our guards down on how the modernists can modify the message of Fatima and intertwine it with lies. God did give us intellect that we use it appropriately to combat evil, and defend Holy Mother the Church. And furthermore, correlating erroneous novel devotions, such as the Divine Mercy according to Faustina, with the Fatima Message needs to go. I know if Monsignor Perez or Fr Gruner were around, and if they both would see the latest research data from Dr Chonoski, they simply would not discredit that new information. What is causing more division is the lack of incorporating these new findings into The Fatima Center’s mission where the proof is in the pudding. And, in charity, the Fatima Center should stop entertaining modernists as I sure know the late Monsignor, Fr Gruner, and Fr Hesse would have the same level of constructive criticism for our erring brethren. There should be no mixture of modernism in an apostolate in which Our Blessed Mother originally came to warn us of… the suicide of altering the Faith which is modernism. God bless and Mary keep you.

I have no doubt it was a fake sister Lucia.

Read murder in the 33rd degree, and Wind Swept house and you will have your answer

@Kevinakletva

2 ай бұрын

CATHOLIC CHURCH knows second sun is coming - third secret of fatima leaks in "Night in Zagreb" series by Adam Medvidović in the form of a novel...epstein island, using double, etc. SNAKE FROM THE EAST

This was done to prevent the Third Secret’s revelation of the Great Apostasy at the highest level of the church -i.e., where we are today.

100% fake sister Lucia.

I've always thought this, because of the contradictions in the messages and attitudes. But, after hearing from Fr. Gruner, I tried to ignore the issue.

I would like to see a pre 1960 pictures of the True Lucia in Fatima and no picture taken from 1960 on.

@reginasong5733

2 ай бұрын

She might be murdered before 1960.

It is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer that there is something fishy going . . . Who, what, where, & when is not known, but something deceitful & evil was done. 🙏🙏🙏

Sure! It doesn't change Fátima's message. What changes is your respect, or rather, lack thereoff, for the Curia.

Holy Mary Fatima pray for the world and conversion of the poor sinners 🙏🙏🙏

I believe there wrre two fakes sisters

Amen too many of us worried about little things like this in these distractions all we need is sacred scripture, magisterial teachings of the church, writings of the saints and church fathers in the root message of Fatima and everything will be okay this fake Lucia thing and worrying about is just another distraction

❤

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus. Do the Holy face devotion !!!

Thank you for the insight that though there was an imposter, the real Lucia was probably really interviewed and alive. Do you think she's alive now? It matters because if she died, she may intercede for us. Or she is old and perhaps in bed, we can pray for her.

@annap7678

2 ай бұрын

I think Sister Lucia would have been born sometime in 1907-1909. Even treated gently, she would certainly no longer be alive in 2024. We would have to assume at this point that no living person knows what happened to her or where she was housed after 1960-or where she is buried. But Lucia is undoubtedly a saint and martyr for the Faith. I don’t think anyone should discount or downplay what she must have suffered for Our Lord and Our Lady in her efforts to make the Third Secret known.

I totally agree. The reason we are going down the road we seem to be on is because we are too distracted by who is who and what is what. Satan loves that.

No fake, so silly.

This guy is all wrong. He seems to not realize that he is causing division within the Catholic church. Jesus said, (about his Church), you are either with me or against me. He is not at peace with what he is saying. God bless.❤

@reginasong5733

2 ай бұрын

@1773jc I pray your eyes open to see what is going on to the Catholic Church. Vatican 2 is responsible for the division and downloads of our Holy Mother Church. This fake church produces all kinds of fake stuff. Fake mass, priests, sacraments, catechism, Rosary, popes, etc. Study and wake up!

@third_secret_of_fatima_1917

2 ай бұрын

There is already division in the Church or what’s left after this pontiff

@DavidRodriguez-er4rq

2 ай бұрын

@@third_secret_of_fatima_1917 exactly. He's just trying to show the truth. The stonecutters are the ones causing division by their infiltration. They publicly stated it in St Peter's square by banners stating Satan will rule in the Vatican and the Pope will be his slave.

@giovanninabucci8716

2 ай бұрын

He is only trying to find out the truth… too many lies and evil nowadays.

@1773JC

2 ай бұрын

@@third_secret_of_fatima_1917 yes there is division ...because of people like this guy who think they figured it all out. They become Catholics just to rebel against the church, after they profess loyalty to it's teachings always nosing around to see what they can find. If they would invest time in studying Catholicism and remain loyal to Rome, they wouldn't have time to be little busybodies using Fatima, Our Blessed Lady, Mary, and the dear children of Fatima to cause division. Our Lady of Fatima, ora pro nobis.

It's obviously an imposter. They have completely different jaw structures.

@helviov

2 ай бұрын

The same happened to 4 of my family members who had all of their teeth removed and replaced with a prosthetic, many decades ago. I should visit them, maybe they are imposters!

@r.m5883

Ай бұрын

@@helviovthey grew a chin after? LOL impossible

@helviov

Ай бұрын

@@r.m5883 Maybe there were 4 miracles! Or maybe I had 4 imposters in my family, planted by the Vatican! Or maybe you have more online than real-life experience (and tourism is not it). I am Portuguese, and my grandma, who lived until almost 100, she looked very much like Lucia in her last decades. Fatima conspiracists are setting themselves for a divine surprise. But you do you.

@helviov

Ай бұрын

@@r.m5883 Btw, for decades in Portugal, I never even heard of this idea until I logged in to KZread and was exposed to American Fatimists, who cannot even pronounce her name right.