I’ve completed my first two sets of first Saturdays - thanks to KZread! I’d never have heard of the first Saturday or First Friday devotions without KZread!! God bless 🙏❤️🙏

@TheFatimaCenter

2 ай бұрын

That's the best comment! Thank you very much for sharing with us! Please continue to practice these devotions and don't forget to include them in our spiritual bouquet we are trying to complete for Our Lady: fatima.org/100by100. God bless you!

@user-yp2oc2mv8m

2 ай бұрын

Keep going. Never stop. It’s a life long devotion.

@robertranieri6493

2 ай бұрын

That's is a great accomplishment continue to do them. Many people don't realize that our Lady said when enough Catholics repair for the crimes against her Immaculate Heart, then she will intercede for us. Always remember that the promises for the Catholics who do it is secondary, to the intention of sincerely making reparations to Our Queens Immaculate Heart. Not by any credit to me, but Almighty God has allowed me to make 123 First Fridays and First Saturdays, I thank the Good Lord for His help. You can also do the First Wednesdays 9 months in Honor of St. Joseph, Protector of Holy Mother Church. It's done in the same way First Friday's and First Saturdays are done. And have a great devotion to the Holy Souls in Purgatory. Remember after Vatican 2, the Holy Souls have been abandoned by the Church Militant, Almighty God's accidental Glory is increased every time a Souls gets to heaven, this as living Catholic is more than a devotion, IT'S AN OBLIGATION. be well

@Linda37JMJ

2 ай бұрын

@@robertranieri6493such good suggestions. Wish you had a KZread video! I’m going to try to do the 9 First Wednesdays in honor of St. Joseph. I am committed to First Fridays and Saturdays and the Holy Souls.

@celticmist14

2 ай бұрын

@@robertranieri6493 NO I think you are wrong. our priest always remembers the holy souls especially in November and he encourages prayers for the souls

I have received my copy in the UK. When I first saw Sister Lucy in 1967, I said to myself, " That is not the same person as the Sister Lucia I first saw."

@celticmist14

2 ай бұрын

What other woman would dare

I wish Fr. Mawdsley was given time to speak.

@weemouse1959

2 ай бұрын

Agreed 💯 Kind of disrespectful as far as I see it. If you invite someone on your program please let them speak. 😢 💖🕊️😇

@teresaoftheandes6279

2 ай бұрын

It didn't seem that he had much more to say than he did.

@ScriptureandTraditionFrJM

2 ай бұрын

@@teresaoftheandes6279 This is how it was. I was happy to take part, to represent people who don't know much about it, who are a bit sceptical of the worst case theories, but having huge respect for Fr Rodriguez and for David, to listen to their more informed take on the subject. Blessed Feast of St Joseph to all.

@user-yp2oc2mv8m

2 ай бұрын

Fr. Mawsdley was given to speak.

@carmenmariacortesmarin2664

2 ай бұрын

@@ScriptureandTraditionFrJM well said Father Mawdsley. I have heard you in other talks where you intervene a lot more because the subject at hand you can teach to us. It is humble to admit Father Rodriguez and David have been more immerse in this matter than you. I enjoy listening to all of you. My respects to the three of you.

It was INEXCUSABLE for the Vatican to have done this...

@Annabanana727

2 ай бұрын

@DJamesLaSalle The Vatican has done a LOT of Inexcusable Things! Infiltration in the highest levels!

Sister Sasagawa of Akita is being silenced. No one from the outside is allowed to meet her. To be honest, I don't trust anyone anymore. Too many conspiracy theories have been proven true, however I do believe in the Fatima messages. God bless you. From Sydney Australia 🇦🇺

Yeaaa Fr Mawdsley! Keep him here state side!

Considering what we've seen & heard coming out of the vatican, I don't think anyone would be surprised anymore.

The best we can do as an individual Catholic regarding Fatima is to convert, pray the rosary daily, consecrating yourself to Our Lady and offering the merits to Our Lady and the Sacred Heart of Jesus.

@janettedavis6627

2 ай бұрын

Get out of the Novus Ordo Church the Counterfeit. The Jews will wipe it just as Rome demolished the Temple in Jerusalem in 70A.D. Scripture tells us Shortly after the Jews gain Israel the Perpetual Sacrifice will be removed and the Abomination of Desolation replaced therin then comes the end of time for the Gentiles for Salvation comes from the Jews (War) .

@pawewu4546

2 ай бұрын

Yes, definitely. We also have to preserve Catholic Faith and know about different kind od deceptionm.

@813infinityfilms123

2 ай бұрын

Amen! Jesus, Mary & Joseph, we love you, save our souls! 🙏❤️🙏

It's unbelievable how much almost all prefer to be confused and say "I dont know, it's not important if there's an impostor or not"! No wonder why the problem is BIG, these people are afraid to take a 100% strong stand and let their YES be YES or their NO be NO!

Neil Armstrong and his buddy were all FREEMASONS

@user-yp2oc2mv8m

2 ай бұрын

How do you know that?

@joanjust8241

2 ай бұрын

Research it.

"Losing Credibility" happens most when a trusted someone contradicts herself to the extreme

@celticmist14

2 ай бұрын

Who would are trick with Fatima and its message

I was at Fatima in 1995. The first thing i noticed was a section of the berlin wall was encased in the Sqare of Fatima. As if the consecration was down and the section of the berlin wall was proof. This is an insult to ou August Queen, Mary Most Holy. I was a parishoner at an FSSP parish in Pa. I was serching for a Mass at an SSPX Chapel in Fatima , when i asked a Portugese woman about the Latin Mass , she was visibly angry, and said the Latin Mass wass abolished. It was obvious to me that Fatima was being controlled by Free-Masons and the status of our beloved Church was controlled by Luciferians

@robertranieri6493

2 ай бұрын

Truly sorry to hear that. My great grandfather and grandmother were from Louth and Monahan, forgive my spelling. And all my Irish Frandsen from Catholic High School have abandon the faith as well as my Italian friends. So saddened by this, but I continue to pray for their returning to the faith but there has been no movement. My heart crystal at the thought that these Truly Catholic Countries are in the state they are in . The US has never been a Catholic country and is run by Luciferians. We're living in evil times, I pray that I can persevere through these times... God bless and keep you always

@celticmist14

2 ай бұрын

You can pray and priest can say Mass in any language she probably meant. You pray with your heart.

@RPlavo

Ай бұрын

How is consecration of Russia to him working out for Ukrainians

I believe that there is an impostor, and the evidence is overwhelming.

@l77ho14

2 ай бұрын

2 impostors, Lucia 2 and FALSISCO.

When they first presented the new Sister Lucia I knew and felt in my heart of hearts that she was an imposter. I have followed the children of Fatima for several years.

@CatholicMailman

2 ай бұрын

They are evil and demonic. I don’t know what they did to the real Sister Lucia Dos Santos but they are definitely displaying the impostor lucy.

Look at the side views of the younger versus older sister. She does not have the same profile!

Isn’t it obvious that there was a fake Lucia when she purportedly stated that heaven had accepted the consecration as done by JP2? Obviously it was not done properly. None of them were otherwise there would not have been a continued call to do the consecration again. And as Father stated, the fact that she was silenced speaks volumes.

Who wants to admit that our shepherds have failed us but they have. And they had the nerve to try and make her a liar as well as to replace her public face. The devil is beyond delight at how he has beat up the Lady who is the Mother of God.

@Annabanana727

2 ай бұрын

My father used to say that priests (shepherds) do not become Communists, but Communists DO become priests.

Wow, a small child can easily see they are not the same person. I guess the Holy Spirit has blinded their abilities to ascertain facial recognition?

I also wish Fr Mawdsley had been given more time to speak . 😢

Everything is posible. Never thought that in Youth Day in Fatima the church would have a priest DJ with weird music. Why not Christian music? They are leading in the wrong direction.

@CatholicMailman

2 ай бұрын

Freemasons have taken control of the Catholic Church even in Fatima?🤷‍♂️

@avarmadillo

2 ай бұрын

That music was/is trash.

@CatholicMailman

2 ай бұрын

That shows that the Catholic Church is now run by demonic freemasons!

'Looking forward to Fr. Mawdsley's assessment of this controversy once he has thoroughly investigated it himself.

Why would the Vatican read a message that implicates the ones the message is about , squeal on themselves V2 me thinks

You are all good faithful priests

Fr. Mawdsley, " They're not over the moon, as you'd expect " 🤣🤣🤣

@MsDormy

2 ай бұрын

A wonderful analysis of the post moon landing interview was made by Peter Hyatt, a really good speech analyst (and fine human being) He went into the project believing they did walk on the moon, and had to re evaluate his beliefs afterwards.

Love this convo and I definitely think the biggest question is, what is the 3rd secret and why has the proper consecration NOT been done.

Yes. Thank you. We keep this information close, but need not change major assumptions from our Lady's message. It seems the message is about the corruption (and a division) within the Church. Today we see the revelation of corruptions being issued by the Vatican. The prayers of the Fatima Children given by the angel need even greater emphasis today. Reparation is greatly needed. 🙏

Gentlemen, Thank you for an interesting discussion. You are all great!

For those of us who believe there was an imposter we still believe in the message. It doesn’t change anything. In fact it makes us pray the rosary more. It’s obvious a different woman. They did all the tests to prove it. If you don’t believe in the science and other people do it’s no reason to caution them not to listen to it. It is what it is. That is Gods will. Just make sure you pray your rosary everyday.

@douglasmargitza1210

2 ай бұрын

how about sister lucia justice n why an imposter if the real message is out.

Thank you , Father Rodriguez, for finally speaking the truth. I know this will mean a lot to faithful, traditional Catholics. God bless.

Truth is always divisive. That woman with JP2 is NOT the Sister Lucia.

@avarmadillo

2 ай бұрын

Obvious on its face.

@lucillejerome5511

2 ай бұрын

Specific evidence, not opinion and not conspiracy. Are you a genuine Catholic or are you someone trying to cause calumny? We are ruining her chance for sainthood someday with this conspiracy talk. As for silencing Sr. Lucia, just maybe over time it's a good idea to keep the miracles of 1917 etc. pure instead of like at Medjugorje with continued talk/intercessions etc. Who is the one who even fostered the idea there was a false St. Lucia? I have to look that up. Re: Fr. R, he hedges too much with ''possibility' and 'careful' for example. As he said "stay focused". Good idea: we Catholics need to remain focused and alert for anything and anyone that diverts our attention for our Lord.

@CatholicMailman

2 ай бұрын

pope jp2 is part of the coverup as all modernists vatican 2 popes were.

The thing is - would the true sr Lucia have been silent re receiving the holy Eucharist on the hand ??

@weemouse1959

2 ай бұрын

Definitely not. 💖🕊️😇

I remember when I first saw the 'new' Sister Lucia in a photo with Pope JP2 feeling somewhat repulsed because it was certainly not the original one I saw photos of earlier.

You act like people won’t believe in Fatima if we know the truth. Give people more credit than that please!

Trying to hide things will not be the solution to this huge attack on the person of sister Lucia. Our lady's message must be obeyed but we need to know what happened to actual messenger. My heart griefs for her disappearance. . Truth. Truth . Truth. The world needs to know the truth......

I was sooo relieved when I came across something about the fake Sister Lucia. Pics of her always gave me such a bad feeling, I'm not even sure how to describe it. The real Sister Lucy has a good holy face.

@Wintergreen-gt3mq

Ай бұрын

Yeah, she seems like the type to do dark witchcraft, like Hillary Clinton. And a narcissistic psycho.

Yes I believe there was a fake Sister Lucy

this really baffles me since I found out about the secret of Fatima why? Why doesn't the Vatican want to release the 3rd secret and why through the years the Popes had a hard time consecrating Russia.

I trust Fr. Mawdsley, but I am skeptical of the 2 Rodriguez guys. They did not give Fr. Mawdsley a chance to speak. They dominated the chat with their denial and coverup of the impostor lucy.

@ginna2luv

2 ай бұрын

Maybe because David Rodriguez wants be right about the first video he made about the fake sister Lucia. He was totally wrong, and the Fatima Center got a lot of backlash. So now they invite Fr. Mawdsley, and don't let him make his point

@ScriptureandTraditionFrJM

2 ай бұрын

@@ginna2luv To be fair, I was happy to take part, to represent people who don't know much about it, who are a bit sceptical of the worst case theories, but having huge respect for Fr Rodriguez and for David, to listen to their more informed take on the subject. This video was made at the same time the conference took place, so nothing to do with any feedback on the talk at the conference itself, which I found perfectly reasonable -- i.e. something stinks, but there is no need to assume a worst case scenario (assassination), rather that Sister Lucia was ordered to keep silence, then letters were forged in her name and an imposter used a couple of times so that Cardinal Bertone (I think) could secure his version of events in order to sideline Our Lady. It is pretty clear that many in the Vatican have been doing such (rejecting Our Lady) for decades. Anyway, bBlessed Feast of St Joseph to all.

@ginna2luv

2 ай бұрын

@ScriptureandTraditionFrJM , thanks for letting me know. You're probably right, but when I watched the first video, I didn't really like how Mr. David Rodriguez explained it. It made it look like as if the whole idea of an imposter Sister Lucia was insane. I honestly don't have any crazy speculations about what happened to Sister Lucia, but for someone to go to such an extent to silence Our Lady, I do believe they are extremely evil.

@carmenmariacortesmarin2664

2 ай бұрын

​@@ScriptureandTraditionFrJM Thank you Fr Madswley

@lucillejerome5511

2 ай бұрын

I agree 100%, and I want Fr Maudsley to be careful. I pray for him.

Holy Face devotion is powerful

Years ago, when this issue was first raised someone posted a screenshot of Sister Lucia listed as deceased by the convent, which was changed shortly thereafter. At that time something respiratory, maybe pneumonia, was listed as cause of death. This seems quite credible. If she died and they wished to have a Sr. Lucia who said what they wished, then replacing her might make sense.

Comparing filmy from 1946 and 1967 is event more convincing that photograps.

Que viva Cristo Rey!🙏💚💛🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷💛💚🙏

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I don’t believe the Consecration was done by Pope Francis. In addition to spiritual preparation, families must materially prep for the great chastisement, very likely to come soon through world war. Store food and other supplies to survive long term, hunt, and garden, etc.

As for the part of the 3rd Secret, graphologist confirmed that the handwriting is sister Lucia's. It was reported by Dr. Chojnowski.

No creo que el querer saber sobre la suplantación de la hermana Lucía, nos aleje del mensaje, para mí es todo lo contrario, el ha er esa suplantación y haber despatrecido a la real hermana Lucía (tan solo la quijada de ambas denuncia a gritos que no son la misma persona) habla de la IMPORTANCIA del mensaje y del interés sobremedido de quienes se ven perjudicados con este mensaje. Perdón, pero se me hace muy tibio ante la evidencia, como lo menciono arriba, tan solo de la quijada de ambas para saber que no son la misma persona. Tan solo después de la entrevista con el padre Fuentes, como callaron a este y de ahí desaparecieron de la escena a la hermana Lucía.

Let us please hear from Fr Mawdsley and point out how Vladimir Putin asked for Russia to be consecrated and was it done then? No!! It still was not done according to Fr Paul Kramer. This deserves more time and depth than was given here.

The True will make you Free

Amen

Mary wants to lead us to Jesus, Holy face devotion NOW

Unless Sister Lucia had braces, then it is not sister Lucia (the originally Lucia had a very bad crooked teeth. The new one has straight teeth)

@alicetalbot5899

2 ай бұрын

The gum line is totally different also .. so unless they“fixed” her gums

@weemouse1959

2 ай бұрын

Facial reconstruction would have to be done for someones face to be changed to that extent. Even the eye and chin shape looks different when comparing the two. I hope someday the truth will come out. 💖🕊️😇

@avarmadillo

2 ай бұрын

@@weemouse1959 Not sure such radical reconstruction is possible.

@pamelatidwell9810

2 ай бұрын

The fake Sister Lucy has a protruding chin, that cannot be changed. It's part of her skull. And her demeanor is very different than the real Sister Lucia, who was humble and shy.

I wish I could get that exact statue of St. Joseph in the video...oh my!😢 It's too exquisite O how I love St. Joseph...pater mea , fiducia mea❤

They forget the ageing process

Neil Armstrong was disappointed with people saying there was no moon trip also another Astronaut that was with Armstrong says they definitely went to the moon. He was the chap that converted to Christianity after the trip.

Respectfully, it certainly concerns me and I think it should concern us all. The woman presented at a Mass with John Paul ll around 2000, ( video can be sourced online and it is the same as I saw it all those years ago ), was an obvious fraud to me. Her demeanour was smiley and a bit goofy, nothing like the solemn Sr Lucy of the 1957 interview with Fr Fuentes, and her appearance looked nothing like Sr Lucy. St Lucy looks like her mother with the high cheekbones etc. As a result, people can be influenced to not take the message seriously as the imposter certainly didn't appear to. She also kissed the hand of JPll right after receiving our Lord in Holy Communion at the Altar rail! Then proceeded to stand next to him whilst he gave our Lord to others! This is scandalous and misleading the Faithful who need to take the Fatima message very seriously. As if the real Sr Lucy would treat our Lord so frivolously in Holy Communion. Watch the Clay Speaks for the best comparison. m.kzread.info/dash/bejne/dWqiqtqBfLrWYJM.html

Yes. That's not Lucia. It's obvious.

@paulperla4813

2 ай бұрын

It is obvious that this is not the same Lucia that appeared with PAUL VI at the 50th anniversary of the apparitions. But to that point, the main message of Fatima was already previously stated. The Third Secret was read by various persons who stated it had to do with apostasy at the top. Given today's Vatican climate, is that any surprise? Furthermore, the modernists infiltrated potentially with the help of the Freemasons; but I digress, I could go on and on along this vein.... Still, the false Lucia is only more proof that the modernists were/are desperate to silence Our Lady and her all-important message for faithfully bringing about the salvation of souls.

Maria Horvath PhD “The Two Sister Lucys”

How is this a conspiracy theory? If you have eyes and are honest about it, then no, they are not the same person. Go look at a picture of your family from 20 years ago. You can see similarities.

@Wintergreen-gt3mq

Ай бұрын

Yeah, they have to admit it now with all the forensic evidence but are trying to gatekeep it and prevent us from asking questions like who did it, why, when, how, what did she suffer from the people who disappeared her?

I agree with Father Mawdsley.

The vatican Was stupid to put forth a different person., they must have thought that no one would notice? Someone should lose their job for such a ridiculous choice of a different looking person

🤔This discussion may confuse some people even more.

@avarmadillo

2 ай бұрын

Disagree

Pray to Our Lady and have her respond ,Our Holy Mother is alive and she will guide all who will spend time in her presence.She is appearing now in Medjudgouri so be at peace her Holiness is over us.

@patriciatremblay2058

Ай бұрын

Medjie is fake..those who say that Medjie is a “continuation of Fatima” greatly insult our Blessed Mother. 😢

The consecration was done

WE NEEED FRS. COLLINS AND KOPCZINSKY RRREEEIIINNNSSSTTTAAATTTEEEDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!

It would be a good thing if The Fatima Center would just stay focused on the message of Fatima. Please leave the children of Fatima, especially sister Lucia alone. Dear Lucia, Francisco and Jacinta, pray for us. ❤❤❤

All you need to know is in Scripture I have given you some of that in a previous comment.

Fr.Maudsley is like Beckett

What about the convent ( or place) where the true sister Lucia resided? Could those who were close to her, and spent days on end in her presence? If she was silenced there must be some people alive today, who would have been privy to this information. Is there no one who could investigate Sister Lucia’s later life surroundings? The moon landing, look at the video of Neil Armstrong making that famous one small step slogan, who set up the camera.

I would like to know if JPII revealed the truth about the impostor before he died. He suffered greatly atoning for things. I hope that it comes out to the public admitting that. No one doubts the credibility of Fatima or the messages, that stands on itself. The real Lucia died in her convent before the fake one appeared and there is a death record showing that

i believe everyone believes in 1st Fridays n Saturdays, conscreation of Russia, etc...but so many comments saying what makes the difference as long as the message is out...with all love their is a significance if your sister Lucia, this saintly woman was a seer of the holy heavens, she deserves earthly justice n truth..and 2nd why a imposter if the real 3rd message was told??? that would make no sense...either their was no imposter and all is true or their was imposter and something was not the truth,..cant have it both ways just cant sweep the injustice under the rug...thru the immaculate heart of mary to the sacred heart of jesus ..AVE MARIA🙏

Moon landing stuff makes a guy skeptical.

The simple question is: WHY?? Like... Whats the point? This one is more preposterous than the fakr Paul VI

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What is the third secret? Does anyone alive know?

@ShoJ369

2 ай бұрын

All you need to do is Google what JP2 and Pope Benedict XV1 have said. Also listen to Malachi Martin as he was present when it was read too. They all say, We can't divulge the secret, but it does concern ..... Best to read the rest yourself, but it is frightening !

@VictoriaLepantoFatima

2 ай бұрын

@@ShoJ369 Thank you very much. Yea, I have listened to Malachi Martin many times. I’m wondering if it's pointing to the great apostasy and the V2 pastoral “ecumenical” council.

@CatholicMailman

2 ай бұрын

The Freemasons and the st gallen mafia had been suppressing the third secret because it is about them. Look up the messages of Our Lady of the Good Event of the Purification of Quito, Ecuador, Our Lady of Lasalette and Our Lady of Akita.

@Annabanana727

2 ай бұрын

@@ShoJ369 Pope Benedict once stated it is the same message as Akita

@TheFatimaCenter

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your question. There are two parts to the Third Secret, but only one part has been published, while Vatican authorities continue to deny that the other part exists. The part that has been published is Sister Lucy's account of a Vision of a "Bishop dressed in White," that is, presumably of an anti-pope, and also of the true Holy Father and other faithful Catholics being martyred under a hail of bullets and arrows. We believe this to be a genuine part of the Third Secret. The still-hidden part is the continuation of Our Lady's own words given in connection with that Vision, beginning "In Portugal the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved". This text is known to consist of about 25 lines, warning explicitly of an evil Council and changes in the liturgy, and describing the generality of Catholics being led into apostasy by the highest level of the Church's leadership. God bless you. fatima.org/about/the-third-secret/

Then original message is authentic. Anything later take with a large grain of salt!

Where is Santa Lucía burried?

@TheFatimaCenter

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for your question. Nothing is publicly known about the time or circumstances of the true Sister Lucia's death and burial. God bless you.

Does it really matter? Doesn't change the messages of Fatima.

@Annabanana727

2 ай бұрын

The fake sister changed the message

@CatholicMailman

2 ай бұрын

@@Annabanana727 can we call it indentity theft? The impostor lucy stole the indentity of the real Sister Lucia dos Santos! 🤷‍♂️

@Annabanana727

2 ай бұрын

@@CatholicMailman Absolutely!

@aussiemark01

2 ай бұрын

@@Annabanana727 what exactly did she change? And how do you impersonate someone for 40 years and not be found out?

@Annabanana727

2 ай бұрын

@@aussiemark01 She originally said that the consecration of Russia had not been done as Our Lady requested, then, soon after, said it had been properly done. As for the 3rd Secret, there was no report of it's contents prior to the modern woman taking over.

I can’t believe you guys are so hung up on a so called private revelation

I think the notion of a fake is propoterious.

@wynbrown5985

2 ай бұрын

Why?

@lorih9182

2 ай бұрын

It's not a notion. It's been investigated by many. A maxillofacial surgeon stated the teeth, gums, facial structure of the imposter did not match and could not be the original Sr Lucia.

@Annabanana727

2 ай бұрын

If the modern one was NOT a fake, then the message itself looks preposterous

@CatholicMailman

2 ай бұрын

Dr. Peter Chojnowski of Sister Lucy Truth channel has presented solid evidence and testimonies of experts proving that there is an impostor lucy. I hope they don’t delete this comment like my first one. 😇

@GAUROCH2

2 ай бұрын

Unless that was intended solely to the specific time-frame of the bolshevik revolution, I do not manage to understand why not reproaching France, where it all started, the revolution, all the massacres, the execution of the 21 nuns of Compiegne... Then the suspicious silence...our Lady said the secret should be revealed around 1960...why desobeying? Francisco conveniently died shortly after... There is more then meets the eye... many, many will have to answer before Our Lord for their despicable actions... Great is His Mercy...but not so much for insults on His beloved Mother...

Stop saying or implying there was a Fake Sister Lucia please.

I've seen a program on the comparisons and there is no possible way the photos of the two women presented as Sister Lucia could be the same persons. It's perfectly obvious.