Lichess logic makes more sense to me ngl

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

I agree, I once had one of these albeit more frustrating myself (knight vs rook pawn where I have the knight but still possibly winning) and my opponent flagged to a draw on chess.com.

@folming

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't. Black would have drawn if they gave their rook away - this is just stupid imo

@volodyadykun6490

Жыл бұрын

The mate requires active collaboration from black, so idk

@TemphinFD

Жыл бұрын

@@volodyadykun6490 no. Not always. Tactics could have a sacrifice to mate, but your opponent flags seeing M1 instead.

@lorcster6694

Жыл бұрын

@@TemphinFD what?

BTW, Lichess is not a company but a non-profit organisation.

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

The umbrella term company means that it has a separate legal entity from its owners. Therefore a non-profit organization is a type of company. (How I learned it anyway).

@m0taro365

Жыл бұрын

A non profit organization is also a company

@fuydestroyer1942

Жыл бұрын

@@thechessnerd isn't a company a commercial business though

@yai4486

Жыл бұрын

Non profit is not an entity type, it’s a tax designation. Non profit organizations are still set up as corporations or llc, sometimes partnerships

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

@@fuydestroyer1942 not necessarily (this is how I learned it so double check me with Google) A company is just the separation from the name of it’s owners. Meaning it doesn’t matter what the owners do with the money (i.e. for profit or give to charity or give back to its customers or refuses all revenue)

Wow, they actually explains it thank you.

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

Glad!!

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

Indeed

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

​@@thechessnerd25th like..... (I keep getting the nice round numbers lol)

@mihailmilev9909

Жыл бұрын

1.1k 25

@scottwarren4998

21 күн бұрын

The point is they don't wanna waste time, so that's why they see a "give up" as a win. But they should change the rule to that you lose, because you have yourself to blame for giving up.

A new example of the Us not following what everybody does just because.

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

just like weights and temperatures LOL

@AJ-vr9hf

Жыл бұрын

This time I think America actually did it right though. It wouldn’t make sense for the game to carry on if you had to get in one very specific place JUST to stalemate anyways. This isn’t really just because, it actually makes more sense.

@victorkao1472

Жыл бұрын

Also height and volumes. What are feet and inches bs? What is a mile? What are ounces bruh? Stupid measurements

@newplayer1313

Жыл бұрын

@@AJ-vr9hf it just goes on for 50 moves max, and you can't flag in lichess if you premove everything. You still have a chance to force draw(really small in some cases)

@AJ-vr9hf

Жыл бұрын

@@newplayer1313 That just seems stupid to me tho. There’s so many moves you can make with 2 pieces, it seems impossible to me that you could manage to make the SINGULAR move to draw the game.

I'm French, I play chess, and I knew nothing about lichess being from France 😅

@holomurphy22

Жыл бұрын

Pareil

@AJ-vr9hf

Жыл бұрын

@@flyboy746 where the hell did that come from

@aymericd.6126

Жыл бұрын

Lichess = "libre" chess

@eminkilicaslan8945

Жыл бұрын

Question: Is it true that chess sets manufactured in France come with queens and kings missing the top?

@GuillaumeT96

Жыл бұрын

@@eminkilicaslan8945 Yes, and the pawns riot all the time

Also lichess has the same functions, but for free

@scottwarren4998

21 күн бұрын

The point is they don't wanna waste time, so that's why they see a "give up" as a win. But they should change the rule to that you lose, because you have yourself to blame for giving up.

this rule feels so badass and cool in lichess time scrambles

@cyrilgeorge3201

Жыл бұрын

What is the rule couldn't understand

@BlitzWizard94

Жыл бұрын

@@cyrilgeorge3201 when theres no material left to give a checkmate it is a draw but on lichess if you have a knight left or something which allows it to be theoretically possible to mate, it is declared a win

@draganandrei5356

Жыл бұрын

@@BlitzWizard94 is there a table that indicate checkmating material? Because I don't think a knight and king can win against a queen and king (queen can always sacrifice itself to prevent a checkmate)

@BlitzWizard94

Жыл бұрын

@@draganandrei5356 king and knight can win in a very rare situation well not rlly but again its FIDE rules

@onniruusunen9444

Жыл бұрын

@@BlitzWizard94 not against queen I think

Thank you friend❣️

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure Satyam!

So basically if you sac the rook you get a draw, but if you get flagged with the rook still alive then you lose 🤔🤔

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

That is exactly correct

@notabene9630

Жыл бұрын

FIDE : if there is a possible mate = no automatic draw US : arbitrary rule that decides when a player is unlikely enough to make blunders it should be a draw. US as usual inventing stupid arbitrary rules for the sake of being different

@abcdef8915

Жыл бұрын

@@notabene9630 US rule makes more sense. I'm not American btw

@Xavier_Dimoff

Жыл бұрын

@@notabene9630, FIDE: Arbitrary rule that decides if there is a possible mate, but only if played incorrectly = you lose.

@mo1ya938

Жыл бұрын

@@Xavier_Dimoff How is it arbitrary though? It comes directly from the 50 move rule. The side with the rook has a suicidal rook and shouldn't really be flagging anyway. If they did they just made a blunder and lost the win just like how patzers stalemate K+Q vs K. The rules shouldn't arbitrarily come in and protect you from one edge case (K+R vs K+N) versus another edge case (K+Q vs K).

It makes so much more sense to follow fide rules.

Lichess is not a company. It is an organization.

i remember it happened to magnus and alireza otb.. alireza raged and complained to the arbiter i believe..

@thememaster7

Жыл бұрын

That wasn't about the rule per se, it was over a stipulation that says if a player can't get checkmate, but can if the other player helps him, for example, deliberately moves his king to the corner of the board, it is still considered a potential checkmate, so it is a loss not a draw.

@etaoimusic6595

Жыл бұрын

That's the rule though?

@elyas4637

Жыл бұрын

Alireza complained about Magnus speaking Norwegian, not about the rules.

@Baxitron

Жыл бұрын

@@thememaster7 that is literally the rule lmao

@thememaster7

Жыл бұрын

@@Baxitron The rule is that if they can't checkmate you, it's a draw. The stipulation is that if they can't checkmate you but could if you deliberately helped them (help mate), then it's a loss.

If you got flagged you should be be considered in the worst possible position so lichens rules are better

@uchihaminato3866

2 ай бұрын

Never seen someone flagged up 15 points of material? So it doesn't matter

yeah i'm gonna change to lichess

This is why I have both apps/websites on my favorites, because I like to switch between them

@DellConagher1

11 ай бұрын

You like to switch between them for just this?

I think lichess follows FIDE, but not becuz its founder is french but FIDE is the international chess organization

wow and I was so confused about that rule but in the end the reason is that I play on both sites

Imagine rook vs knight and the person with rook has 3 seconds and sacrifices the rook as much as they can but the person with the knight doesn’t take the rook and flags them 😂

@IndiaOnlineTournaments

10 ай бұрын

😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

@theophilussogoromo3000

10 ай бұрын

For this reason, the US Chess Federation rule is better.

@jacobg2394

26 күн бұрын

What is flagging even

@denizkenger52

18 күн бұрын

Fair game. Should’ve played faster.

@buggah_man

3 күн бұрын

​@@jacobg2394 flagging means you win because your opponent runs out of time

I think this happened to Alireza in a over the board game, a rapid tournament a few years ago. he wanted to claim a draw after his clock run out, but the fide police gave his opponent a win because checkmate was posible by his opponent only if Alireza helped him puting his king at the corner, which he said he will never do because he is so smart

@MasterShark19

11 күн бұрын

his "opponent" was magnus xD

magnus v firouzja in that one blitz match

Lichess is good, they are using FIDE so the real rules

According to fide in this type of position if you’re worried about losing on time you could call an arbiter and they’d claim it as a draw though.

@randomname9291

Жыл бұрын

@Ruhan not if the other player doesn’t let you.

@uribevaldezargenis8862

2 күн бұрын

both players have to agree for the draw, time is an important part of those formats so you gotta to for the mate if your opponent doesn't accept the draw

@randomname9291

2 күн бұрын

@@uribevaldezargenis8862 not according to fide rules in such a position.

Magnus vs Alireza controversy was based on the same thing.

I LOVE THIS PRELUDE it was one of my first Chopin pieces

Your videos singlehandedly keeping me interested in chess when my motivation lacking at times

Wow! Very insightful! I was entertained the whole time ngl

What does it mean to flag an opponent?

@vivaangupta1864

Жыл бұрын

It's when the opponent is winning but instead of resigning you keep playing and end up winning on time.

@golden_smaug

Жыл бұрын

thanks

Alireza, is that you? 😂

Can u reply pls I love your vids

This camera angle and stare is scary

Oh that's make sense i flagged my oppent with Knight and Bishop endagame and im so confused that i win

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

Also a great example!

@iamgroot3615

Жыл бұрын

Knight and Bishop is a win by checkmate . Unless you mean knight vs Bishop

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

@@iamgroot3615 I understood it like knight vs bishop yeah

@canna-b8718

Жыл бұрын

What does flagged mean??? I play chess but have no clue about this word

@thethug89

Жыл бұрын

@@canna-b8718 it means your opponent ran out of time

Lichess flexing they're one with the creator

Very informative! I play on both and noticed this difference. Thanks for explaining it! Could you do a video comparing the two websites in more ways, please?

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

Oooooooh interesting, what difference would you like me to expose 👀

@astronimite

Жыл бұрын

@@thechessnerd Maybe comparing their ELO system, the benefis/downsides of both, and their playerbase? (As in average amount of users at a given time) Thanks for the response!

@Mikhail-tal-the-GOAT

Жыл бұрын

@@astronimite yep even I want to know that Nice point tho

@Cowtymsmiesznego

Жыл бұрын

@@thechessnerd Maybe the number of ads, paywalls, and invasive popups trying to get you to subscribe/donate?

Nice Chopin in background good choice 🎶🎶🇮🇹🇮🇹🎉

@albanpohle3143

Жыл бұрын

Bro that's the flag of Italy and Chopin is actually polish (half French) 😛

@omsiravvel7805

Жыл бұрын

@@albanpohle3143 i mean I was from italy

@omsiravvel7805

Жыл бұрын

@@albanpohle3143 the flag means that i am from italy

@omsiravvel7805

Жыл бұрын

I am a former piano player

@jeremy0158

Жыл бұрын

Bro you’re completely lost

Fascinating... Thanks!

I actually knew this one before you gave the answer. USCF and FIDE have some very small but quirky differences.

Great explanation broski

So lichess allows flagging when it's clearly a draw

Guys lichess is non profit.I am surprised that it still survives because if you have seen lichess spends 40k euros per month for the servers.I hope it lasts forever

Interesting. Thxs for tip as to this difference in rules.

Lichess is usually pretty goofy ahh, but not in this case, “win by timeout if checkmate is possible” seems fair enough

@dogabutila

Жыл бұрын

Yea but it doesn't make sense when checkmate is only possible if the opponent helps you do it.

@ItsAsparageese

Жыл бұрын

@@dogabutila Opponents can theoretically always make any mistake. I'd argue that, if we stipulate that chess played perfectly leads to a draw, ANY checkmate innately requires your opponent "helping"/letting you do in some sense or another

@theaccordian9377

Жыл бұрын

@@dogabutila Going by your logic, all games should be declared draws right when the game starts, since you can't checkmate without the opponent making a mistake and "helping you win."

@dogabutila

Жыл бұрын

There's a difference between making an inaccuracy that can be exploited and purposefully moving your pieces so the opponent can checkmate you. If you can't understand the difference you should refrain from commenting.

@ItsAsparageese

Жыл бұрын

@@dogabutila Wow, what a dickish & useless comment, & ironic since your standards for your own contributions are apparently so low. Your "counterpoint" (calling it that is generous) boils down to an insufferably sophomoric "NUH-UH" 😂 Please, if you're so brilliant, enlighten us all by actually explaining this difference (remember, has to be a meaningful difference _in application,_ not "the difference is intention" which is definitionally obvious & doesn't affect the point the other replied & I are making). Y'know -- like mature decent human beings do, by being able to handle conversations when they enter a forum for having conversations. If this isn't just you having a cranky night (I think we've all been there), & you actually feel the need to be a douchey control freak when someone raises a point/idea that's different from yours, then you have some serious issues you need to go work on.

Zach you look good

Even these differences, I still prefer using them because both of their performance are great.

Thanks alireza

Good that you were smiling so much, made video much better

This is why I have been getting draws like nobody’s business haha. That and I need to work on my chess skills

Sorry what does it mean to have a piece flagged?

@wicked5999

Жыл бұрын

Players flag, aka run out of time

There is also one more diffrence you can do any numbers of puzzles without even joining any membership and for that you will have to pay but in lichess you can do countless of puzzles for free

You are on your way to the top Zach I can see it. Congratulations.

Very Smart Keep Going

Thanks 🙏 I prefer lichess because it's easier to sign up and user friendly 🙂

@surreal.1

Жыл бұрын

and it doesn't ask for money to analyze your games and solve puzzles

Nice to know

I still don't get it, what does "flagged their opponent's pieces" mean?

@wicked5999

Жыл бұрын

By "the black pieces" he's talking about the opponent

I think the uscf rule is better for the fast time controles.

Informative😀

Alirezah is so hardworking Plays tournaments , fashion designer and makes youtube shorts explaining stuff

It is a win because it is still can be checkmate , position example : black king on a1 and black rook on b1 and white king on a3 and night on c2 it is a checkmate

Crazy I found u first on twitch and u popped up on my shorts ! Good stuff man, and congrats to Juve haha 😂

Maybe there should be an elo cap for the FIDE rules because most players wouldn’t intentionally block their king to get mated, but if it’s under 1000 elo than anything goes really.

So lichess is better ?

US is like "I'm not like other girls. " of all the countries.

@Lankeu

Жыл бұрын

😂

Lichess changed now because I remember it happened to me once in lichess. My opponent was winning with an extra rook against me ( I only had a king) and their time ran out. But it was still a draw.

@finnfinity9711

4 ай бұрын

That's different, you can't checkmate with only a king

@Eight69

3 ай бұрын

Your situation is completely different from the one in the video.

@amarishikaanbalagan226

3 ай бұрын

@@finnfinity9711 I get it now

@amarishikaanbalagan226

3 ай бұрын

@@Eight69 I know now :)

Am i the only one I've been recommended this vide like 15 times even though i have watched it 7 or 8 times 🤯

I was also confused when I lost a game similar to this due to time. I think I had a pawn and the opponent a knight. My logic was that, if the king can't make any moves, then he can be killed by the other piece regardless (imagine white king and rook doesn't move at all and black have infinite moves, he can of course kill the king with the knight). Guess I was wrong.

what does flag your opponent mean?

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

losing on time / because of time :)

@hueycotton

Жыл бұрын

@@thechessnerd thanks, I actually heard it in another video after commenting this and figured it out from context clues lol Appreciate the response though

I feel like a draw is fair in this position. But technically you could still mate.

That's pretty interesting!

Same happened at Magnus vs Alireza

Lichess Ruleee

Hi sir what is the name of your board? It so cool i like greeny thing

Intresting

I wondered this. I thought it was a glitch now I get it thx.

i follow the fide of rules... yez... 🗿

As a bullet enjoer it is really frustrating for me, when I don't get a win on Chess com, with a single knight/bishop. So much halfpoints were missed...

Fide good, uscf bad

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

low key agree

Hello, my American friend you were supposed to say 'established.'

helpful video 👏

It s funnier with king bishop vs king bishop of opposite colors :)

So if you have a knight against a pawn and you flag you opponent if it is a a or h pawn you win and if its b-g its a draw according to lichess??

woah didnt expect i would learn any new difference.. but this is actually a great observation. btw, as lichess follows FIDE, it is a win for white if it's is played OTB? as in a fide or other tournament?

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

In a FIDE tournament this would be a win for white, yes. in USCF tournament that is rated FIDE you would have to check with the organizer before the blitz/classical tournament.

If Alireza Firoujza and Alejandro Ramirez had a baby...

Now i know thank you!!

احلى فياض 😂

France - FIDE and FIFA, what is next?

Wow i play chess for 6 years and i didnt know this 😄

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

I learned only a few months ago when it happened to me (chesscom it not being a win for me) after 10 years!!

Are you alireza firouzja

You don't just get to automatically win there is still a stalemate to consider. You have to win in the allotted time not just get close.

Another reason lichess is better

I don’t understand. What do you mean by flagging the pieces?

Is this alireza

yo bro looking kinda cute tho

@thechessnerd

Жыл бұрын

love you dawg

@austinbones

Жыл бұрын

pause

@abruhm

Жыл бұрын

resume

@selu7644

Жыл бұрын

power button

@Hopoy1

Жыл бұрын

power button on

Lichess makes more sense. If it's possible then it can never be a draw.

oh so thats why

I wonder if this also contributes to the inflated elos.

Place pieces on: Black - Kh8 Rg8 White - Kh6 Nf7#

If rook steel on the board there's one way to checkmate

Actually, that's not even quite true. I have seen lichess give a win to only a bishop and king vs. king. Even vs. a king and pawn, where mate is impossible. Annoying for the most part.

@Eight69

3 ай бұрын

I highly doubt lichess would give a win to the first position, and as for the second one with king and pawn vs pawn, mate is 100% possible.

What if we use a computer to determine the Strength of a position and only give a win if it's over some threshold? Saying a win is possible, when it's only possible if the opponent helps, seems silly.

Truly a chess nerd

I'm just curious why Zach doesn't use lichess