The Imperial Army always made the Empire feel more grounded. Keeping the stormtroopers as a sort of marine-corp/republican guard analogue makes them scarier and elite. Seeing Stormies should be a one-in-a-ten or twenty thing, with recruited or conscripted grunts being the main force just makes sense.

@Llarbauc

7 ай бұрын

For real, seeing stormtroopers all the time really takes away from their character overall. It just makes them look like another foot soldier, nothing special.

@TheMrPeteChannel

6 ай бұрын

Agree. It makes no sense for stormtroopers to be guarding far off distant prisons like we see in Rouge 1.

@ArcticWolf00Alpha0

5 ай бұрын

Goes to show how little the writers actually think about how Stormtroopers should be previewed in this universe. When the Imperial Army is seen the good guys should be reasonably cautious but still confident that they have control of the situation. When the Stormtroopers arrive the good guys should know that they are screwed or really poked a bear. Just like the Death troopers turned that tide at Scarif in Rogue One, Stormtroopers should be the guys in oh bring in when things really go south.

Worth noting that even before Fel many warlords would put their Army troopers in stormtrooper armor for "Intimidation factor" which steadily backfired as Stormies became something closer to their unearned meme status in our world.

@TheKingofbrooklin

Жыл бұрын

It was mostly because most warlords did not have access to training and recruitment centers of the Stormtrooper Corps but still had the armors.

I really liked the Armt Troopers even if WEG basically invented them to make Stormtroopers scarier. Having Stormies to storm positions with a side of fear based policing while these guys hold the line is an interesting dynamic. Even if Nucanon made them a "Temporary measure to use clone era PDFs as fodder before a full transition to stormtroopers" I appreciate their inclusion because the one team not slacking at Lucasfilm is the props department. And god DAYUM do they look sweet.

There was also another really cool branch of the Imperial Army: Army starfighter pilots. Yes, the Imperial Army had their own TIE Fighters and bombers (usually the older model whose name I forgot, which needed a second specialised TIE for targeting - this model of TIE Bomber was too bad for the Navy, so they gave them away to the Army) which assisted the ground troops in combat and guarded Imperial planetary installations. I think there has never been an official picture of Imperial Army TIE pilots, but I like the idea that they have different uniforms than Imperial Navy pilots.

@vinhphucnguyen4695

2 ай бұрын

Isn't Han Solo wearing that type of uniform while he crashed into the Imperial ship in Solo?

@wilhufftarkin8543

2 ай бұрын

@@vinhphucnguyen4695 In Solo, he's wearing a training uniform for Naval Academy cadets. It makes no sense that they would wear different uniforms than "proper" TIE pilots, but I'm almost certain it's an homage to the Legends comic that was about Biggs Darklighter's time in the academy and how he defected to the Alliance. Back then, the artist gave him and his fellow future rebels TIE helmets with a see through visor, so that we can recognize them and see their emotions

@vinhphucnguyen4695

2 ай бұрын

@@wilhufftarkin8543 ah ok

Interesting that you cover the Army trooper corps than the well-known Stormtrooper cops. Since the former are lesser known in mainstream Star Wars media.

@Manda-LORE

Жыл бұрын

My higher tier patreon folks get to commission a video topic of their choosing, and this is what one chose. Besides, I have more fun researching and writing videos for the more obscure content anyway

The Imperial Army is awesome, hope to see more of them in future Star Wars projects

YOU NEVER DISAPPOINT, DEAR TADD

As much as I dislike the Disney canon... I'm glad they gave the Imperial Army proper infantry units. Just wish we saw them a lot more than the Stormtroopers.

real shame the Imperial Army gets almost no screen time and it's all stormtroopers getting increasingly incompetent until the Mandolorian literally turned them into jokes.

cool inclusion of the imperial army trooper's appearance in andor, i think they look great just like in legends

@wilhufftarkin8543

Жыл бұрын

They already appeared in the Solo movie, which made me very sympathetic towards it when I saw that scene. I'm no fan of the nucanon, but I do think that the Solo movie is really underrated. Most people didn't watch it just because TLJ sucked so massively, but prior to Mandalorian, Solo was the only nucanon thing that actually felt like Star Wars.

@wilhufftarkin8543

Жыл бұрын

However, I do think that their blasters look really stupid. I don't get why they couldn't just give them E-11s. They aaaalways have to introduce some new transitional stuff, which doesn't even make sense.

@fizzy4877

Жыл бұрын

@@wilhufftarkin8543 i liked the E-10 blasters for the imperial army troopers because it felt like they get the lower quality blasters compared to the superior stormtroopers. what i didnt like, which was in andor, was those e-10.5 blaster rifles that the imperial army troopers had which was just an e-11 with a solid stock slapped onto it.

@wilhufftarkin8543

Жыл бұрын

@@fizzy4877 Yes, I really don't like these solid stocks some E-11s have in the new canon. In Rogue One, some stormtroopers carried those, too. I mean the E-11 has a built in foldable stock, but it's never used by anyone.

@fizzy4877

Жыл бұрын

@@wilhufftarkin8543 yeah

Great video! I'd like to add one small detail: The ORSF wasn't the only military force in the Republic. Most sectors and systems had their own security forces (like for example the Naboo forces we see in Episode I). They all were unified into the Imperial Army. Also, I'm not sure, but I've always been under the impression that the Judicial Forces is what became the foundation of the Republic/Imperial Navy, not the Army. That's where all the non-cloned navy officers came from.

One of the good things to come from Solo was it's depiction of Army Troopers, literally something pulled straight from the Guard of 40k and an element of the movie that should've been expanded on. Hell, the entire movie could've been spent on Mimbam with Han slowly transitioning from Navy pilot to a criminal, with Army Troopers galore on screen.

So good the imperial military is getting it's due after being sideline by stormtroopers for 30 years.

Great video, also always nice to see some art I commissioned long ago make an appearance.

@wilhufftarkin8543

Жыл бұрын

Which one did you commission?

@grandadmiralzaarin4962

Жыл бұрын

@@wilhufftarkin8543 the Grand Admiral Pellaeon artwork at 13:58. It was one of the first artworks I had commissioned in 2013 from MiketheArtist, who I think has since retired.

@wilhufftarkin8543

Жыл бұрын

​@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Cool! I've already seen this picture somewhere else. Is it based on an actor or something? But anyway, he looks exactly what I would imagine an old Pellaeon.

@grandadmiralzaarin4962

Жыл бұрын

@@wilhufftarkin8543 as far as I recall, I don't believe we based him off an actor, mostly the descriptions from the NJO novels where he's older and an ally to the heroes. There's also another artwork floating around of Grand Admiral's Zaarin and Thrawn playing Djarik that the same artist did that I'll have to track down in my archives.

more EU lore videos, I am happy

Army medics also had a nice teal/aqua ish armorm

FOR THE GLORY OF THE EMPIRE!

Another detail at the end, i read separately that the army troopers were not replaced, but augmented in legends with stormtroopers during the Fel empire. Thus allowing them to continue to serve as the main backbone of the imperial army, just with a few stormtrooper units sprinkled in.

Another awesome video! I started watching your channel ab 2 years ago right before I left for boot camp for the us Army. Glad to see there’s an in universe version of what I’d be lol

WEG will always be gold. If only they managed to last longer and make Clone Wars era material.

@Jackelmandingo

Жыл бұрын

They did. The last edition of WEG's Star Wars RPG was 2014. But they didn't get to publish it because of Lucasfilm selling to Disney at the end of 2012. Then they pulled the RPG rights away from WEG and gave it to WoTC. That's how we get the D20 Star Wars games. WoTC is owned by Hasbro, and Disney owns Hasbro.

@kapasian9009

Жыл бұрын

​@@JackelmandingoI don'twant to be rude, but where this information comes from? For what I know WEG went bankrupt in 97 (or 98, not sure), and from 99 onward (till the Disney takeover) Wizards of the Coast were the ones to write roleplaying materials. When the Disney took over they handed the license to FFG. Therefore, there is no WEG Clone Wars material, only fan conversion from the WotC one.

@TheMrPeteChannel

6 ай бұрын

Didn't WotC buy out WEG?

This was a excellent video! Very detailed and well written. I would like to request that a video covering the imperial Navy be done as well. If that is already a project, then I am eagerly awaiting, but if it is not, I believe it would be an excellent endeavor. Keep up the great work!

I’d choose the regular imperial army troopers over the stormtrooper corps or the imperial navy any day

Oh good, a video that doesn't mix the 2 SW Continuities together, really irks me when that happens. But nice write up, though should add, even without the external chest plate worn, they were also wearing perhaps a blast vest underneath their suit, this was standard issue. Their goggles can also have vision enhancements, along with IFF(Idenfity- Friend or Foe) system.

@wilhufftarkin8543

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I hate that, too! Especially when they don't even say which information is from Legends and which is from Canon! A pet peeve of mine is when in lore videos specifically about Legends, people still say kyber crystal!

@wolfscar5557

Жыл бұрын

@@wilhufftarkin8543 It really is annoying, it spreads false information as the 2 Canons are completely different if one actually reads into them. This video is clearly one such for the Imperial Army, the Stormtrooper Corps is VERY different in the EU compared to how Canon has them now. In fact frankly the entire Galactic Empire as a whole is very different. As in the EU GE isn't treated as a complete joke. Which is...you know important for the narrative, if you portray your opposition as a joke, then that kinda hurts the narrative that's trying to be told.

Another great video

hey Manda-lore I really love a technical guide and history of the super battle droid video! my request is a technical guide and history of the b1 battle droid | Manda-lore

Great work. However, judging by the Andor show, a single squad of Army troopers is made of 4 soldiers, not 9 (as said and showed in ep. 6 of the show). Also, not concerning the Army, but in ROTJ, a Imperial officer send 3 squads for reinforcement outside the bunker. Then, we can see 6 Stormtrooper, 1 officer in black uniform, 1 officer in grey uniform and 8 Navy troopers. The only way to solve the problem is to consider that 1 squad of Navy troopers is made by 4 soldiers. We then have 2 squads of 4 Navy troopers, 1 squad of 6 Stomtroopers in armor lead by an Officer in black uniform. Those 15 trooper are lead ny a Officer in a grey uniform. It's consistant with Andor: regular Army and Navy have 4 soldiers in a squad. 7 (6+1 chief) for the Stormtrooper corp.

@Manda-LORE

10 ай бұрын

This is Expanded Universe, not Disney canon. Also sources are listed in the description, all of the organizational data comes from the Imperial Officers Handbook

@Delerane

10 ай бұрын

@@Manda-LORE Yes my bad, I have forgotten to say "now in Canon" ^^. Thank you. The scene in ROTJ is still the same 😉.

We need the Imperial navy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love the channel! If I could make a request, could you do a video covering Janek Sunber, Luke's friend who never left the Empire?

I love this part of the empire's lore as realistically speaking this is what most of us would end up as in the story lol.

Goood... goooood.... 😎

Now let’s have the same video about every faction who opposed the galactic empire For the mix of warfare used against them. The current gaming media of Star Wars has everyone believed that the rebel alliance only fought surface forces with stationed turrets and tripod blaster cannons

@wilhufftarkin8543

Жыл бұрын

I love the Alliance commando troopers, the ones who basically look like Rebel stormtroopers in black. You know which ones I mean?

would be cool to see a band of brothers like show but with imperial army troopers

i have to draw them again . i have the line ,heavy and the sharpshooter already drawn

I wish we got to see more of the Imperial Army in the EU.

Goggles also have vision enhancements and IFF, so the headgear over overall is pretty advanced

Fr the imperial trooper is the closest you will get in starwars to a Wehrmacht soldier, I still think it looks cool and I CAN because it isnt technically a Nazi

What vehicle would the Repulsorlift squad deploy in? I have been looking but can’t find a concrete source

So one would say they look similar to general veers uniform? Imperial officer battle armour I think it was called in canon. Not sure in EU

Wasnt the IAT's uniforms recently changed from the jumpsuits to tunics? In Solo and Andor they wear Tunics similar to the officer corps. Or are the jumpsuits solely for light armor cav?

@Manda-LORE

7 ай бұрын

See video description

@TheMrPeteChannel

6 ай бұрын

These are the army troopers from the old EU. A major difference. Disney Army Troopers wear lower leg armor. EU Army troopers do not. All Disney Army troopers wear shoulder armor. Only some EU Army Troopers wear shoulder armor.

Another fine example of the trope "Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale".

@Manda-LORE

Жыл бұрын

In most cases, yes, but I'm not too sure this is entirely innacurate. In the infographic portion of the video, I show up to the size of AN army, not THE entirety of the Imperial army altogether. I couldn't find stats for the size of the entire galaxy spanning imperial military, but in the video, I do go on to explain that systems armies could contain up to 3 armies and sector armies contained multiple systems armies depending on the size of the sector, and there are at least a thousand sectors under Imperial control. One also must remember that planets with the populations of say Corusant, get increasingly rare as you travel outward from the Core Worlds, and it's not too uncommon to see some worlds out on the Outer Rim with dinky populations under a million.

@Malekith227

Жыл бұрын

@@Manda-LORE Never said you were inaccurate, I believe you are and conform to what I remember about the The Essential Guide to Warfare. One must remember that here on Earth we have failed invasions involving armies that dwarfs SW sectorial armies. There are more casualties in the Vietnam war than there are soldiers in the first batch of Kaminoan clones. That's absurd and the explanation is obviously that the authors did not have even a remote military background. Realistically speaking you can't invade a planet, albeit a very underpopulated one and yet that's a common trope in Science Fiction. Of course we usually dismiss it by inventing some ad hoc justification for our suspension of disbelief, and that's fine. But it's correct to point ou that it's another case of the "Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale" trope.

@Manda-LORE

Жыл бұрын

@Segmentation Fault the GAR is a whole different animal that we can thank Karen Traviss for lol, 3 million clones for the whole republic was absurdly low, so I agree with you there. The Imperial army doesn't specify how many are serving in it so it's potentially a far more realistic number and like I said there's multiple armies per star system and I'm sure armies work in conjunction with one another with detachments being sent to aid other forces where needed and so on, thats all I was saying.

@Malekith227

Жыл бұрын

@@Manda-LORE Yes there is multiple of retcon or justifications to make this mess more believable. For the GAR it's not just Karen Traviss and her 5 million clones. Salvatore in the novelization of AoTC states that the first batch is only 1.2 million strong, Lucas in RoTS with Yoda stating that one bataillon is enough as a reinforcement for the entirety of Kashyyyk. The disneyverse tried to retcon these absurd number by saying that Lama Su, when referring to "units", was not talking about single clones but regiment-size formations... For the Imperial part we have Palpy stating that Endor was defended by a whole legion... While in the meantime the Imperial Handbook was stating that a Legion was roughly the size of ancient Rome ones (around 10.000 strong). Retconing all that to make it consistent is hard...

@wilhufftarkin8543

Жыл бұрын

​​@@Malekith227 I condider the Imperial Handbook to be a bad source, because it contains a lot of lore errors and its information is very dumbed down for casual fans. However, I've always been under the impression that there weren't that many Imperial troops on Endor. I always assumed much less than 10.000. After all, their main concern was guarding the area around the shield generator, the rest of the planet (or "moon") was of no interest to them. They also didn't view the Ewoks as a threat, so they left them alone.

about about the legends imperial army swamp troopers?

@wilhufftarkin8543

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean the actualy Army WEG swamp troopers or do you mean the Stormtrooper Corps Imperial Remnant swamp troopers from Jedi Outcast?

@fizzy4877

Жыл бұрын

@@wilhufftarkin8543 yes, the ones from WEG's planet of the mists

I would perfer the regular imperial army over the storm troopers. Never liked those new guys. *AT ALL*

11:33 if i did my math right, a battle group is roughly 9000+ men on paper, not including support elements like logistics. How are 9000 men suppose to be able to conquer a continent? Unless your talking about a VERY small planet with a non-existant population?

@Manda-LORE

11 ай бұрын

One thing you have to keep in mind with Star Wars is that planets in the outer rim are not as densely populated as planets in the core worlds and these figures don't factor elements from the Imperial Navy or the Stormtrooper Corps which are usually opporating in tandem with the Imperial Army. Add to the fact that most sci-fi writers have a shit sense of scale lol. These figures were provided by the Imperial Handbook and I list it as one of my sources in the video's description.

@geemanamatin8383

11 ай бұрын

@@Manda-LORE Fair enough, usually when i encounter scaling issues in a universe, i just add my own numbers to make up the difference, but you are also correct in that i failed to take into account support from other branches of the imperial military, so thats fair.

@Manda-LORE

11 ай бұрын

@geemanamatin8383 the sourcebooks have never been reliable for giving realistic unit scales. The essential guide to Warfare states that the Grand Army of the Republic was only 3 million strong for example, which is ludicrously low. Alas, these are all we have for canonically confirmed sources.

EU is so much better than anything Disney can come up with.

The last episode the bad batch sucked

I personally don't think it makes sense for the empire to have a smaller army considering we are always seeing the stormtroopers being depicted as the main military of the empire and the idea that the imperial army are a lower level military doesn't make sense because the imperial military favours quantity over quality so logically they would want most of their infantry to be put on their stormtroopers with them doing everything infantry related whatever the army does is pointless and redundant and is something that is supposed to be fulfilled by the stormtrooper corps

@Reach_of_the_Astronomican

Жыл бұрын

We don't see them depicted as the main military, they are only around when there's Vader involved or aboard the Death Stars and in the shield generator garrison

@wilhufftarkin8543

Жыл бұрын

​@@Reach_of_the_Astronomican Jup. Most people forget that most stories we read/play/watch are about extraordinary situations, which is precisely the speciality of stormtroopers. However, I do think that Imperial Army troopers are underrepresented (and even more so Imperial Navy troopers - although you could shoot them in Dark Forces 1).

@emilianomartorell3587

24 күн бұрын

@@wilhufftarkin8543Exactly. It makes sense that we never actually see the Imperial Army in the Original Trilogy because almost all the battle scenarios we see involve Imperial troops being deployed from ships. Similar to the Marine Corps, the Stormtrooper Corps functions as shock troops deployed from naval vessels. The Imperial Army is responsible for garrisoning Imperial planets, and we never see any of these garrisoned worlds in the original trilogy. All instances with Stormtroopers (and their variants) in the OT: A New Hope: Tantive IV ---> Troops deployed from ship Tatooine ---> Troops deployed from ship Death Star ---> Well the Death Star is a kind of ship. Its think its part of the Imperial Navy Empire Strikes Back: Hoth ---> Troops deployed from ship Cloud City ---> Troops deployed from ship Return of the Jedi is the only film where it might make more sense to have the Imperial Army instead of the Stormtrooper Corps. However since the Endor garrison and shield generator bunker exists to protect, maintain, and operate the shield for the Death Star, it would make sense that the garrison there is under the purview of the Imperial Navy and so naturally the only troops we see on Endor are Navy troopers and Stormtroopers.