Guys please check out the other videos in the playlist! #OperationOdysseus kzread.info/head/PLDb22nlVXGgd2rdNu1C44t-hoYXA9bL2M

@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719

5 жыл бұрын

Who settled the places in the west, like Massalia?

@ericconnor8251

5 жыл бұрын

@@nathanaelsallhageriksson1719 That was the Phocian Greeks from Anatolia. Unfortunately Archaia Istoria doesn't cover that at all, the Greek settlement of southern Gaul and for that matter eastern Iberia.

@pnyts

5 жыл бұрын

I suggest you put a graphical time line during the full duration of the videos, as a reference. It will clear things up.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

@@pnyts I usually have the date put in the bottom corner in my Philip II videos.

@garethsmith3036

4 жыл бұрын

Archaia Istoria what about Marrsalia

I'll make a follow up to this video on the Western Mediterranean colonies and the early history of Magna Graecia for you guys since there's a real demand.

@leoniddraginsky412

5 жыл бұрын

When is that gonna come out

@NikosReegas

5 жыл бұрын

@raspoutin I doubt he is going to give a straigh answer judging on how he shows the ancient map at 0: 21! This guy clearly seperates Macedonians from Greece,he goes as far as to consider them as something diferent than a Greek city state! Policaly correct maybe? Communists dictated our present back then when all that started thanks to TITO!

@Ups_downs_life_funny

4 жыл бұрын

I liked that you also talked about mainland Greece but I'd also like to see more about Epirus and Macedonia which at the time weren't so important but still

@christopherzantiotis

4 жыл бұрын

Archaia Istoria It is a bit ridiculous you cut out half of Hellas! I’m not sure if you’re trying to be politically correct so as not to conjure the anger of the Vardaskan/North Macedonian Nationalists. Did you know that?: * There was no ethnicity called ‘Macedonian’ under Ottoman occupation. The identity only really took off after the textbooks were changed and an irredentist movement was developed by Joseph Tito. * The newly called North Macedonian was actually called ‘Vardaska’ or ‘Vardar Banovina’, not ‘Macedonia’. * The so-called Macedonian language is actually a dialect of Bulgarian. * Slavs didn’t arrive in the Balkans until the 6th century AD. * Until the 6th Century AD, the Balkans was actually very genetically homogeneous from Greece/Hellas to Dacia, being mainly EEF genetically (Early European Farmers). * Ancient Macedonian geography (before the time of Phillip II) was 100% located in Modern day Greece. No part of Ancient Hellenic Macedonia before Phillip II’s expansion was ever located in what is now ‘North Macedonia’/FYROM. The Historical Capital of Macedonia is Aigai (Vergina)/Pella, which is located in Greece not Vardaska. Only during Roman times did the Romans change the contiguous area of what they would call ‘Macedonia’, which only then encompassed what is now the modern boarders of Vardaska/North Macedonia. * Original ethic Macedonians spoke a dialect of Greek (just like the Spartans, as an example). Alexander III (The Great) would be the one to create a uniform Hellenic language called Koiné Greek. * Ancient Macedonians most importantly considered themselves Genetically Hellenic, claiming decency from the Argives, some of the original Hellenes! * Ancient Macedonians had a Hellenic culture and practiced Hellenic customs. * The Ancient Macedonians were able to prove their Hellenic decent and compete in the Olympic Games in 504BC, a competition strictly reserved for Hellenic/Greek men only. In 504BC, it was the first time the Macedonians wanted to be included in the games, and they were allowed. * The Ancient Macedonians used pan Hellenic symbols like the Vergina Sun, that were used throughout Hellas extensively, in Hellenic art from the Archaic period through to the Classical and Hellenistic epochs. * There were groups around the area of Macedonia called the Illyrians and Thracians. Those groups knew who they were and never claimed to be Hellenic, nor did they adopt the Hellenic language, cultural practices, customs, religion, philosophies, arts or Sciences. But the Macedonians did claim to be Greek/Hellenic even though according to some Vardaskan nationalists, they were ethically different and spoke a different language called Macedonian... Even though the Balkans was Genetically pretty much the same before the 6th century AD; and there is no record of this ‘Macedonian’ language, only Hellenic has been discovered. The only major thing that made the Macedonians unique, and to some extent culturally non-Hellenic, was in terms of their government, and a few customs like they drunk wine straight. Understanding the Zeitgeist of that time period is important, because during that time, be a civilized Hellene one needed to live in a Polis with ideally a democracy; but one could have an Oligarchy or Aristocracy too. Tyrannies were frowned upon but were still tolerated in some respects. A feudal monarchy at that time was ‘seen’ as a barbarian form of political government, which Macedon did have. The ones who most often labeled Macedonians non-Hellenes were the Athenian elite, who were quite snobby and centered their world and identity around their democracy, even when it deteriorated. However, what the Hellenes of the Classical era forgot was that their ancestors, the Mycenaeans, did have Kings and likely Monarchies. The Mycenaeans also originated from the area where the Macedonians were from. According to Herodotus, the Macedonians were the first to call themselves 'Hellenes’ (later applied to all Greeks) and who gave the land their name. So in an area where the original Hellenes (the Mycenaeans) came from, existed a people who had old habits just like the Mycenaeans... Interesting wouldn’t you say? The Macedonians: *Wrote in Hellenic and Spoke a dialect of Greek (just like all the others). Alexander the Great was the one who created the unified Koinē Greek language that we still speak today (with some Byzantine editions)! *They worshipped Hellenic Gods *They had an Hellenic Culture, Symbols, Education and identity! *Importantly, they identified themselves as ethically/Genetically Hellene/Greek (by our own modern standards, they could be considered Hellenic Ultra/Ethno-Nationalists)! They stated they were Homeric Hellenes who were descendants of Heracles and the people of Argos. *They identified other Hellenes as brothers and considered the fighting of one another as regrettable. Alexander III (Alexander the Great) unified the Hellenes and stated he was a Hellene very proudly, and that he gathered his brothers (Hellenes) and unified them to attack their long-time enemies, the Persians. *Importantly, they were acknowledged as Hellenes and were able to compete in the Pan-Hellenic Games/Olympics, which was ‘strictly’ for Hellenic Men only!... Until the Roman times when the emperor coerced the Greeks to change that rule so they could compete. There is no definitive proof to show Macedonians as non-Hellenes, just the hearsay of warring/antagonistic Hellenic city states. They tick almost every box (except for their political structure, and a few unique customs) for being Hellene. So because of all these factors, the overwhelming majority of Historians consider the Macedonians to be Hellenic/Greek! Like I said before, they created the cohesive modern Greek language after all! So I have to ask... Is the reason why you left out Northern Greece because you are Vardaskan/Bulgarian/North Macedonian? I would hope you have learned about Tito’s constructed Macedonian identity... If not, here is a source: www.globalresearch.ca/the-slavo-macedonians-as-a-tool-for-the-creation-of-titos-greater-yugoslavia/5643354 By: Dr. Vladislav B. Sotirović

@charlesdeleo4608

3 жыл бұрын

I certainly hope so. What about Greek colonies in modern Spain and France?

Marseille & Nice (France) and Valencia (Spain) were also Greek colonies. The pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar) leading to Atlantis were also mentioned by Plato.

@erasmomagoulas8429

Жыл бұрын

Denia was Hemeroskopeion.

This would make for an awesome scenario in a Civilization game. Start as one of the four Greek cultures and colonize your way around the eastern Mediterranean.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

You just know one guy would sneak in playing as England and just spam ship of the line

@jamesmg2154

5 жыл бұрын

You will be able to do it to a degree in imperator rome but it's 300bc so I guess it would be a new wave of colonisation

@khorps4756

5 жыл бұрын

I actually made a map of the mediterranean for that purpose although I didn't setup a scenario

@The_InfantMalePollockFrancis

Жыл бұрын

would be better on TW, but the fantasy idiots and romance/mythology idiots are just too happy to spend money on infantilising content.

Fantastic video man! You explained this complex subject really well. Cyrene is really interesting.

@rusty_juice_tin

5 жыл бұрын

@@absolutn2059 .?

@absolutn2059

5 жыл бұрын

Another matter you should take under serious consideration is that he utilizes trolling robots. You can very easily find out that the thing you talk to is not human...lol...it is on line on a 24 hour basis piuking propaganda lies. If you present them with facts they cannot disprove .They ignore your questions and keep on repeating the same irrelevant stuff they have being programmed to say. If you challenge them further then they delete your questions and report your profile. It is always the same fake profiles making those endless dicussions only among themselves----some of them even posing as Greek---and ignoring you completely. If you do not know what they are, you could be fooled for a while thinking they are autistic humans. But once you know the truth you can easily spot them. Computer generated algorithms cannot immitate human thought pattern and reaction..lol .

@absolutn2059

5 жыл бұрын

I see the same bot trolls commenting here as well...so it's most probably his own channel as well under a different name.

@hashimbokhamseen7877

5 жыл бұрын

@@rusty_juice_tin indeed

Did you intentionally leave the whole western mediterenean out of it? What about Antipolis(Antibes) or Olbia (in Sardinia) and Alalia (in Corsica) or even Emporion (Ampurias) And you should at least have mentioned Massalia (Marseille)

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you picked up on that. My reason is really two fold for not going into the western Mediterranean all that much. A) The video was already 20 minutes with my finished script. The original was version was actual 20 minutes long and that was just me getting into the Asiatic Greeks in Anatolia and the Near East so giving a general history required I make a video only focusing in one half. B) In lieu of me shifting my focus I decided to just cover the Archaic Greek era of colonisation, since that was the bulk of expansion into Magna Graecia, the Black Sea and the Near Eastern Emporiums. Most of the western Mediterranean colonisation happened just on the tail end of the Archaic era. Phokaea would only go to Massalia because everywhere else was taken and the Persians had taken their polis. So even the foundation city was outside the reach of the area I was covering. However I might cover the western holdings in its own video when I start getting into Sicilian history.

@nermainmerl3284

5 жыл бұрын

Giorgos, it's too much. Only on delian league if i remember correctly participated 2000 city states, even this video said more than our history books and i am amazed you know about Massalia. There are also many theories as to why dorians used orichalcum and where they got it from, inciting that there might be greek colonies in the atlantic part of europe up to england where orichalcum came from. Or the island in Feroe named Myceneas. There were also parts of south africa that were colonized later on.The only thing I found weird is that they were afraid to sail to pontus, since Minoan ships were the largest the world had ever seen ~1000 years before their arrival, i would expect a sail to pontus a bike ride.

@GiorgosMoschovitis

5 жыл бұрын

@@nermainmerl3284 That is exactlry what I was talking about. Massalia is not "too much". It does not fall in the sphere of "speculations" as some random artifacts and some out of place names. There are historical records and findings. Heck, there is a sign in the port of Marseille that the modern day people dedicated to the city's Greek founders. This city rivaled Syracuse. The Massilians founded over 10 colonies themselves. And the "Provincia Romana" (Marseille ,Antib, Nice etc) kick started the Roman ambitions of world domination.

@RoderickVI

5 жыл бұрын

also Barkalona (Barcelona), the land of the ships.

@gard86

5 жыл бұрын

@@RoderickVI I thought the name Barcelona came from Hannibal Barca???

Epirus was Greek. It is the homeland of all the Dorian tribes, in addition to the southern and central Pindus mountain range. They always spoke a North-Western Greek dialect. They were not Hellenized. If you read Aristotle, it writes of Epirus as the ancient Hellas. No wonder, since there is where we find the most ancient Oracle of the Greek world, the one at Dodona. So many more things i could write.

@sergeant_chris6209

5 жыл бұрын

Δημήτριος Α and so was Macedon

@Agras14

5 жыл бұрын

@@sergeant_chris6209 Sure, West Macedon as well falls within the proto-Greek region, along with Thessaly and Epirus. All of these three regions are what constitute the central and southern Pindus mountain range. Here is a map of the Proto-Greek area circa 3000 BCE, upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Proto_Greek_Area_reconstruction.png. Of course much later, during the Archaic and Classical periods, the Greek presence through the Macedonians had moved more East as well. Don't confuse the above map with Archaic Greece, it is meant to show the proto-Greek area from much earlier. What researchers commonly do as a mistake, including "Archaia Istoria" (whom i greatly respect for his time and investment towards his videos/presentations), is that they only consider Greek, that which was civilized per se, and avoid everything else that might have fallen behind. For example, most maps showing Mycenaean presence today, even though outdated (because other settlements of theirs have been found more North), forget that they weren't the only Greeks at the time. Dorians co-existed at the same time with Mycenaeans as pastoralists on the Pindus mountains, without any serious settlements, hence they are usually overlooked and not accounted for on maps, up until the Archaic period. Please "Archaia Istoria" correct your videos or at least give me some evidence towards the opposite of what i write.

@Agras14

5 жыл бұрын

@Hist Ory Yes it was, by blood, culture, and language. I can actually back all this up. What do you have to show to back your own opinion up?

@LuisAldamiz

5 жыл бұрын

@@Agras14 - How do we know that there was a broad "proto-Greek" area there in the also very broad "3rd millenium BCE? AFAIK the first evidence of Indoeuropean (proto-Greek) penetration is c. 2000 BCE in Macedon, plausibly from the Danube (Vucedol culture), which shares some cultural elements like the concept of megaron.

@Agras14

5 жыл бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz Proto-Greek was probably spoken in North/Northwestern Greece at latest in the late 3rd millennium BC. Why? Because Mycenaean Greek which is documented to have been spoken at around 1600 BC is already fully recognizable Greek, so it must have been Greek for quite a while before. Not to mention Mycenaean Greek was also dialectal Greek, so its divergence from Proto-Greek must be pushed into the past, certainly in the 3rd millennium BC at the latest. It should be noted that this linguistic timescale and Proto-Greek homeland map is going by the still somewhat speculative Kurgan hypothesis for the breakdown of Indo-European. Vladimir I. Georgiev, Alfred Bammesberger, and Theo Vennemann, all agree that Proto-Greek is mostly placed in the Early Helladic period (early 3rd millennium BC; circa 3200 BC) towards the end of the Neolithic in Southern Europe. Russell Gray and Quentin Atkinson in a 2003 paper using computational methods on Swadesh lists have arrived at a somewhat earlier estimate, around 5000 BC for Graeco-Armenian split and the emergence of Greek and Armenian as a separate linguistic lineages around 4000 BC.

Fantastic video man. Really enjoyed it

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

History Time Appreciate it! I’ll have to check your video

Operation Odysseus is a god-tier idea, what a fresh way of collab and i'm really impressed how many youtubers are part of this, keep it up with the spirit, this collective projects really can take advantage from youtube algorythm and open the doors to new audiences and good content creators (Epimetheus video recomendations brought me here so thanks hehe) liked & subscribed fam, looking forward to see how this evolves, hopefully it will be all good and the reception will do nothing but go up.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks fam squad. A little insider info but be sure to give OSP and Armchair historian some love since they were some of the real brains behind the operation!

New to the channel and new subscriber. This massive collaboration was an amazing idea, so many new channels to check out. Congratulations guys, you"ve outdone yourselves. Keep it up, I look forward to more collaborative playlists like this. I hope it develops into something much much more

SyracRuse? My ears are bleeding.

@kraigthorne

5 жыл бұрын

SyracRuse bothered you and Mykeneans did not?

@kraigthorne

5 жыл бұрын

@@tozapeloda77 It does NOT matter what the Greek pronunciation is. The correct spelling and pronunciation is the one that is in common use. For example, the people from Germany are Germans, but Germans call their country Deutschland.

@georgemangco2526

5 жыл бұрын

@@kraigthorne Wrong way round. The correct way is how the name is originally pronounced, not how it is COMMONLY pronounced.

@kraigthorne

5 жыл бұрын

@@georgemangco2526 What ignorant twat told you that?

@Stuka55

5 жыл бұрын

@@kraigthorne what is common for you probably for me maybe it isn't

It might not be related to this playlist. But Bactria (Afganistan) actually had a Greek kingdom at one point.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

I do plan on covering the Hellenistic kingdoms at some point but my mate Kings and Generals did a great video on it last week.

@Luredreier

5 жыл бұрын

+@@ArchaiaHistoria Yeah, just wanted to point it out given that you mainly just listed the (more or less) costal settlements.

@jokester3076

4 жыл бұрын

Greeks from the anatolian ioanic colonies who rebelled against the Persians, were forcibly deported to Bactria by the Shah as a punishment. When Alexander the Great conquered the Persians and campaigned further east against their eastern satrapies in South Asia, he was surprised to find Greek communities already existing in Bactria from the Ionian deportees, his generals settled in Bactria and formed what would later become the graeco Bactrian Kingdom.

@mrwtfwhy

2 жыл бұрын

The Greek Bactrian Kingdom was formed under much different circumstances than the colonies formed by the Greeks in the archaic period.

hahaha "Phillip O's...now with less fat"

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Epimetheus Glad someone picked up on that!

@hashimbokhamseen7877

5 жыл бұрын

😂 😂

@rustee00

3 жыл бұрын

Lol 😂:)

@ajithsidhu7183

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArchaiaHistoria please do one on greek colonies in india ie punjab the land of dioynuses

Wow!! Didn't know that the Grecian/Hellenistic influence in the Italian area was so early established - from other overviews I'd thought it just happened way later after the Roman Empire did their conquering of Greece. Really interesting breakdown, thank you! 👍

A great video. My home region (Provence in France) has a big history of Greek colonialism, which towns such as Nissa or Massillia, so it was very interesting to learn about it.

This was a great video man. It's especially interesting to me because my home region (South East of France) was colonized by the Greeks, too. My family is from Nice (Nissa, name after the Goddess Nike) and Marseille, which was the most significantly Greek colony in the region, is quite close from where I live.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

This is Barris! - French History Thanks man! I actually do plan on making a second part to this on the Classical colonies in the Western Mediterranean. Marseille was really a fascinating colony in both the people who came from there (i.e: Pytheas) and how it is actually the oldest city in the Western Mediterranean.

@ThisisBarris

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArchaiaHistoria I didn't know any of this so I would definitely want to watch it. Marseille has a pretty bad reputation here in France (Drugs, crime, poverty etc) which is a shame because it has a fascinating story. I was planning on visiting Marseille soon to film on the spot for an episode but it will mostly discuss Revolution and onward Marseille. If your video comes out in time, I would definitely link it for anyone interested in its past history.

Because of Operation Odysseus, I binged your channel and loved it. Keep the Greek knowledge coming.

A total war or paradox game on this era would be epic

And, to be just, this is truly an excellent presentation of an oft overlooked subject.

Great video man, I always learn something new about the Greeks on this channel. Your knowledge really shines through!

Subscribed! I'm loving all these new ancient history channels!!!

This is one of a handful of topics in history that connects SO MANY different peoples and Cultures that it's almost a bit frustrating how much effort I've put into finding these things out by myself and low and behold someone's FANTASTICLY brief video taught me more than I learned on the subject in 20 years of school..Lol Well Done!

Great video, the visuals and explanation are vgood for such a small channel. You covered the topic in a very wholesome way while still being able to simplify and go in depth on different historical aspects.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that. I have a tendency to go overboard with detail so I originally had to simplify this script twice (it’s a really broad topic). But I’m really glad it ended up a good in between of General and specialised history.

Thank you sir for posting this video. Really appreciate it.

Greek City states: Our polis in Magna Gracia are prosperous! Safe! And secure! A little Latin town called Roma: Are you sure about that?

Wtf Greeks everywhere lol

One of the greatest if not the best video I have ever seen covering this period of Greek history!!Keep up the good work!!

please keep doing this the world needs more videos like this

This is an amazing video! I am in the process of reading The Histories by Herodotus right now and this video could not be more topical. :D Discovered this channel due to Operation Odysseus and can't wait to watch more videos from you

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Although do take Herodotus' words with a huge grain of salt if its legends and such, like the origin of language being Phrygian...

@isaacross8001

5 жыл бұрын

Hehe of course.. I'm not so naive as to take anything at face value

Great job! I was hooked on the narrative from the first minute!

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for that, glad you liked the narration!

This was great. Thanks. Happy holidays :)

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, happy holidays!

Whoops. I thought nobody on the Operation Odysseus made a video about Ancient Greek colonization. Thanks very much for making this!

first time viewer, thanks for making these more indepth videos, got yourself a new sub! Looking forward to more videos!

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it, I’m glad people are enjoying the depth and not finding it boring or anything.

This is my shit. Glad I found this video, channel, and broader collaborative effort.

Good stuff! Congratulations!

You killed it man, great video

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

On one hand thanks, on the other Spongebob is king

Wasn’t there a colony in southern France?

@DrDoomsd

5 жыл бұрын

Marseille

@vancecook5357

3 жыл бұрын

Yes Massalia in modern day Marsailles was one Greek colony in modern day France. The famous Greek explorer Pytheas was from Massalia.

Absolutely Love it!

Very interesting video. Thank you!

The road was paved by the Minoans way before that era, they had turned Mediterranean sea into their trading playground and also made some cities too. So these expeditions were not new although they were scaled up in numbers as larger populations were involved.

Such a great video! καλή δουλειά!

Love the channel man! If it interests you, I feel a good follow up video for this could involve the greek settlements in modern day southern France such as Massalia and other smaller ones and if im not mistaken even Iberia and corsica to some extent

@ArchaiaHistoria

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Well good news then, that’s exactly what is currently in the works. Hopefully before the end of the year

@DATA-qt3nb

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArchaiaHistoria Very cool! I appreciate the reply and best of luck to you and the channel!

Great stuff! Υπέροχα

Fascinating!

Wow!!! Amazung video! Thank you sir!

You got me hooked subscribed

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Goood... gooood...

Great video, Interested in your other work.

Great video, I knew very little about the Greek colonisation in Mediterranean in the archaic period so I learned a lot from this. One mistake is that you show the picture of the Sun God Ra instead of Amun (the name was hellenized as Ammon). Amun was the Egyptian god of hidden powers and air and breath, and the Greeks equated him with Zeus. Amun mostly depicted as a man with a double feather crown. Anyway, I only recently found out about this channel and I'm glad I did!

This is excellent

I would love to see a video on the "second Greek colonization" during the Macedonian dynasties in the east. I found this even more fascinating.

Great video, there are many events i completely ignored

Dude this was awesome. Thank you so much. One suggestion: A legend for the date and the color of political units would have really useful, as with so many islands flying around it's hard to keep track of who's who.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it, I tried to keep the colours to the main ethnic tribes for simplicity sakes since in this time many states formed so it would’ve been hard to constantly show them as they develop. Also I didn’t have exact dates all that often due to the nature of the topic, that’s why I kept calling back to the century.

@VolitionalScienceNetwork

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArchaiaHistoria Forget the dates then. :P The colors were great, I just sometimes forgot which color was which tribe while I was watching.

the best video in the Odysseus collaboration I've seen it all

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

hahahahaha Be sure to post that on every video yeah

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Seriously though there are a ton of greater videos in the playlist

@hashimbokhamseen7877

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArchaiaHistoria epimetheus's video is good and overly-sarcastic productions's

I like how this video correctly uses the term "Myceneans" as opposed to the term "Greeks" that many use, out of laziness or ignorance, to refer to the Myceneans. Not including other greek/hellenic tribes such as Epirotes, Macedonians, Ionians.

I love your content.

Perfect video Love from Greece

I'm Greek Cypriot with ancient style of Greek surname. Going to take some DNA test soon and see what's really going on :) Great video mate, having visuals on maps really puts into context what was happening back then. Love it, Subbed.

@angeloparis7963

5 жыл бұрын

Name ending in "oglu" :-)

@angeloparis7963

5 жыл бұрын

Mine ends in "dis". Northern Turkey (Black Sea) somewhere, until early 1900s.

@shaolindreams

5 жыл бұрын

@@angeloparis7963 Mines Anton-iades, and -iadis is pretty much the same.

@angeloparis7963

5 жыл бұрын

Mines Paroussiadis. Cheers.

@angeloparis7963

5 жыл бұрын

My father said that it defined Greeks from the East.

very well done!

Although the greek colonies in your map is incomplete, the information I got was awsome, good job.

So thankful for this video.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. I’m thinking I’ll make a follow up to this video on the western Greek colonies

A realy nice video, you got a sub.

This is so fascinating. I've always been curious how far Greek influence stretched. Evidently at some point the Persian Empire sent captured Greeks to Bactria. I do not remember when exactly, but i believe it was an early period.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

It really is a fascinating period. Not many people really think about how these darn Greeks got everywhere. As for the Persian deportations, I believe it occurred shortly after the Ionian revolt in the 5th century.

@Lycurgus1982

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArchaiaHistoria Yes, of course! I wonder what kind of influence they had on that area of the world at the time? I am glad to have come across your channel. I've been an avid lover of Greek history since i was a child and some people have told me i have a peculiar fascination with the Seleucids.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Well I plan to cover the Hellenistic kingdoms in full when I get up to the Diadochi. However my friend Kings and Generals did an excellent video on the kingdoms of Bactria and Greco-India

@Lycurgus1982

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArchaiaHistoria I love those guys! I always appreciate the channels where the creators engage in open discussion with their viewers. I am glad to have discovered another person who has a passion for this particular subject. Thank you

Epirus and Macedonia were Greek,they did not Hellenized.They were Dorians mainly.Epirus had a west dorian dialect and Macedonia had a doric dialect too.Politically they were semi-barbarians (they still had kings), according to Athenians (democracy).This is not a reason, to not include them to your map.What do you think Macedonians and Epirutes were ethnically? Beside that, nice video.Greetings from Chalkis.

@saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014

5 жыл бұрын

I agree Herodotus, they spoke the same language, worship the same gods, had the same alphabet, and we can even add that they were the very ones who mixed/conquered the Myceneans, the Dorians, they were from Macedonia and north Thessalia. You folks were all Greeks/Hellenes why so much distinctions? It would be like the Russians saying that the Poles are not Slavs even with all the ressemblance they have

I am glad your back.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Never left ;)

At 2:25 you should've made him to say "αδελφέ" not "αδελφός" because αδελφός=brother αδελφέ=ma'bro !

18:30, Cyrus did not conquer Egypt and Nubia, but his son Cambyses

So much more went on in the Mediterranean than I ever realized and what a mix of different cultures! From the comments below, there was more in the Western Mediterranean as well. So interesting!

Subscribed. Thank you

Okay but, you don't really answer *why* they turned to colonisation as a whole. Sparta only colonised to displace its Messenian helots, yet the reason for the other majority of states going through the colonisation process was more due to a steady decline in available land and resources.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

James Parrott I’m covering that later in another video

Great video man. However I have one critique. The name of the ancient Sicilian city as well as the modern city in New York state is Syracuse, not Syracruse. It is pronounced See-rah-cyooss.

You refer the macedonians like they are not greeks while in fact they were one of the dorian tribes known as makednoi(you even put epirus another doric stae as not greek )

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

I only put them as not Greek in regard to the polis structure. In my main series on Philip II I agree that they’re Greek but distinct because of their different societal structure. So really it’s Greek* *Those in the polis system

@cullenrooney4964

5 жыл бұрын

also wasn’t it pretty comm for greek people to see man Macedonians as more greek adjacent

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Cullen Rooney It’s complicated.

@angeloparis7963

5 жыл бұрын

Cullen Rooney. Don't get confused by FYROM. Slavs.

@LuisAldamiz

5 жыл бұрын

Whether Macedonians were Greek was already debated back in the time of Philip, he won the debate because he had the victorious army but other Greeks grumbled anyhow.

Hello there I'm a new subscriber and I really like your content but I hope that you will upload more frequently videos since I see huge time gaps between them

I think that the fact Mount Aino is both the name of a mountain in Greece and Japan that puts a question mark over early human colonization.

Enjoyed the video. There is a problem with the way you showed the bronze temples. In that time no one used triangle roofs on their temples.

Do Phoenician Colonszation sometime!

@hashimbokhamseen7877

5 жыл бұрын

nice

Graet job

Macedonia and Epirus though not city states were still Greek

@DaPepper

4 жыл бұрын

Kaly lmaoooo are you stupid or are you dumb?!🤣 open a history book. The Greek City states and regions were all referred to as their names because they were independent from one another. (Athens, Sparta, Ionia, MACEDONIA, Epirus, hellenized Thrace, etc) but they were all united under Greek identity. Easiest example and proof of that is the Olympic Games. Non Greeks were not allowed to compete. So how did Alexander the great compete? Oh wait. HE WAS GREEK. Why did he speak Greek? Why was everything written in Greek? Why did he spread Hellenism and start the Hellenistic era? HE WAS GREEK. Just because a country of Bulgarians formed in 1991 is situated in the geographical region of Macedonia doesn’t mean they get claims to the Ancient Greek history and some Bulgarian history. Greeks had control of that region for centuries until the ottomans came and borders were fluid. There is no such thing as Slavic Macedonians. Only Greek. Slavs came to the balkans in the 6th century which is hundreds of years after the death of Alexander the Great.

Hello! Great video! 1 remark though: The corinthian major colony on Sicily should be spelled without the second 'r' - Syracusa or Syracusa.

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah noticed that in post

Wasn’t the ancient city of Massalia in Gaul founded by greeks in the 6th century BC? Do you have any records for that? I’d be interested in any records of the Greeks in Gaul.

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5:02 Eretria and Chalcis are cities of my island,Euboea.I live there to this island of Euboea.Chalkis and Eretria are my cities.

Archaia Istoria, very nicely done! Tons of good info that is not easy to find. Curious as to where the spelling of Syracuse, with that extra "R" is coming from?

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

What arre you rrefering too?

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

You guys are right, was just havin a bit of a giggle. Don’t know why I wrote it like that in my script.

Subbed to this man ppl jeez. Quality stuff brother.

Hello, could you please tell me what software do you use to make those map animations ? This is pretty well done job by the way, really interesting and entertaining.

@ArchaiaHistoria

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! I use Illustrator for the maps and after effects to put everything together

@user-nx8ds3ic6e

4 жыл бұрын

@@ArchaiaHistoria Thanks a lot, good luck, i will be waiting for your next videos.

@theodoruspantelides8661

2 жыл бұрын

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@user-nx8ds3ic6e

2 жыл бұрын

@@theodoruspantelides8661 Greetings dear commentator, unfortunately I do not use discord, nor am I greek or turkish. I thank you for the offer and wish you all the best.

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Great video, thank you. A LOT of information to pack into 20 minutes. What I'd love to know though, is some sense of what this all looked like and felt like to the peoples involved: the Greek expansionists and the native peoples whose lands were taken. If my people lived near a coast where the Greeks established a city, were we incorporated?, Were we driven out? and if so, where did we go? Were there unpopulated lands, we could be pushed into, or did we have to dispossess others? Were we slaughtered? For the Greeks, after for example the drought on Thera you mentioned, how did we decide where to go? Did we all pack up at once, or did some military types go first and establish some defensible outposts and send for the missus and kids later? Anyone know of any videos dealing with my horribly humanistic queries?

@ArchaiaHistoria

2 жыл бұрын

Great question and thanks. The situation varied greatly from region to region. Keep in mind that we are talking about a wide area from Spain to Crimea. Also important is the type of colony. Emporiums were more akin to merchant outposts that might develop into a dedicated Greek quarter of the city. These would be more gradual developments and less of a danger to the local population. Whereas Apoikia were intended as cities outright, but even these could vary in hostility and danger to the local population. In Thrace or Sicily, where there was a large native population, the population might be evicted or enslaved, but they may also be integrated into the new polis as well. The Sicels were famously hellenised and adopted poleis of their own. In other places, like Africa, the Greek settlements might be on “empty” land that was seasonally inhabited by local berbers and so there could be raids from the berbers against these colonies. However these Apoikia could also be peacefully settled with the local population. In Massalia and Hispania colonies were negotiated (or even invited) with local lords. So really your situation with the Greek settlers could vary greatly and depend largely on the terms of your relationship. Locals could invite the colonists, be invaded by them or create a mutual arrangement. As for your specific question about Thera, I address this in my (elusive) sequel video about the Greek colonies in the West. I hope my general summary could somewhat answer your questions.

@corneliuscorcoran9900

2 жыл бұрын

@@ArchaiaHistoria Thank you. Goes a long way to helping me picture those events. I'll have a search for your sequel.

What was that Mycenean colony in Sicily?

15:04 Look at Cumae, it looks like it's pointing to that island.

SyracRuse sounds like a place that would be located near the Caribbean ;)

You should have in small type a legend on the maps that have colour territories on them. Just like what each colour means because I forget and following is tough. Nothing big, but just something to keep me remembering eh

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Dávid Danos I will have to do that for next time. Seems like this is a popular request

@orphydianhistory7822

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArchaiaHistoria yeah man proper cartography is key to these videos. I f you add your own custom maps with a bit of style that would be the cherry on the cake. I hint that is more easily to edit maps than to draw other stuff.

Is there a game i could play that could teach me basic expansionist world building and history like this?

2:34 who are all the tribes in the red?

this video will not play i sent a ticket but every other video in the playlist goes but this one. It isn't blocked in my country because I can comment.

0:21 Why is Macedonia and Thrace and Epirus out of the Greek sites states? Macedonia and Thrace WERE Greek sites states also. (Epirus was/is a Greek area full of Greek cities also). And where is Crete and Cyprus? Correct your map please.

What about colonisation in the western med?

if this is part 4 where are the other parts? what i'm seeing in the video list seems to be random videos and a series on philip II. maybe i'm just being silly?

@ArchaiaHistoria

5 жыл бұрын

Its part 4 of this major collab, look at this playlist: kzread.info/head/PLDb22nlVXGgd2rdNu1C44t-hoYXA9bL2M

@gamiezion

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArchaiaHistoria thanks!

Yes but what about Massalia?

You hear about that thing down in Samothrace?

i wonder if they did float by's with their short bows..

Macedonia was never that big before Philip, it was around aiges and pella