I really like your clear and detailed explanations of how the deck works, as well as the high-quality video material. Really good stuff.

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

*Thank you!* Glad the content helped 🙇‍♂️ -Patrick

@MasterQuestMaster

5 жыл бұрын

@@LocalGameGroup Teshar is a very complicated deck, but it looks really fun to play. I'm looking to build a competitive deck that is relatively cheap. Do you think one can do without Lion's Eye Diamond or Mox Diamond in this deck? I already have some of the expensive cards, but not all.

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah! Mox Diamond > LED, but you could avoid both... I’d simple add Jeweled Amulet for added ramp and perhaps a different combo card, such as Scrabbling Claws: help with Grave hate. -Patrick

@MasterQuestMaster

5 жыл бұрын

@@LocalGameGroup I see, thank you very much! Now I just have to get over the problem that my usual playgroup has a bit of an aversion to cEDH... :D

Superb video, the best primer I've ever seen. Can't wait to watch part 2! I've been meaning to build Teshar myself as a $100 almost-cEDH deck, it's really interesting to see your thought process on card choices!

Hey man. Always happy to see more people spreading the gospel of Teshar. As someone who has been playing this deck in many iterations since the Dominaria prerelease I have a couple thoughts. First, notable cards that I wonder why the deck is missing: Sensei's top Filigree Familiar Glint Hawk Ranger of Eos (Yes I know the new version is better synergy with Teshar, but the double tutor is amazing) Grand Abolisher Mentor of the Meek Staff of Domination Scroll Rack Aetherflux Reservoir Teferi's Protection/Angel's Grace Any white counterspell Second, cards that I wonder about the value of including: Basalt Monolith (believe it or not I think this ends up being not the best rock. Grim monolith I am less bothered by because at least you go positive with it) Engineered Explosives and Chalice of the Void. Chalice at what charge? How does that not negatively effect wanting to cast a "place of worship"? Most likely you want it on 2 or 3, which hits almost all of the important pieces. Engineered explosives will more often than not drop with a charge of 1, which would kill some of the mana rocks, sac outlets, etc. Doesn't seem as good here. Conch Horn. I playtested this and was not pleased with the card draw. It's mana negative a lot of the time and requires a special set up to be worthwhile. Given the mana loops that this deck does, I am currently trying inheritance for a similar purpose. LED but no Auriok Salvagers? In general it looks like you are hyper focused on putting cards in the graveyard, which can be great for Teshar...until you put all your answers in the graveyard and have no more disenchants, swords, unexpectedly absent, etc. to manage your opponents. I think milling yourself when you have control of a loop is great, but before then is risky. Once people catch on to how powerful Teshar can be the graveyard hate WILL get stronger in your meta. If it's not now, run amok my dude! In general though cards in hand > cards in yard, because if you get enough in hand you can sculpt both your hand and your graveyard, and it is always better to have the choice.

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

A lot to unpack here... I promise, I will get back to this in Part Two. At least, most of what was suggested here. What I can say: I’ve used every card you suggested, last of which to leave was *Sensei’s Divining Top.* *Mana Tithe* is the only potential Counter Spell worth considering (and sided for now). There are no great Draw Cards or Engines in Mono White that are compact enough to fit/work well with this list (Mentor included). Teshar *relies* on the Graveyard, no way around that, so we feed the beast. *Basalt Monolith* is a big piggy bank for late game *or* if *Mesmeric Orb* is out from a previous turn a WinCon. The ratio of “Cards Valuable in Graveyard” far outweigh those “In Hand”/“In Deck.” Milling should be the first strategy of every list, with reliable Creature answers and plenty removal to make our plans work. *Engineered Explosives* is a repeatable way to lock out a table and acts as a 0 Historic Trigger in a pinch. Also, remembering that this is indeed a Graveyard/Recursion list, at only 1 Charge we Destroy every *Gradigger’s Cage* & *Silent Gravestone.* *Chalice* is a must, absolute must for this list. Again, hold for Part Two where I will discuss much of what you brought up. -Patrick PS-*Chalice* anywhere between 1-3.

@gabrielhipple412

5 жыл бұрын

Honestly I'll be taking notes of your comment, me and a friend are joint brewing Teshar. Hadn't thought of most of your suggestions

I absolutely love this deck. Definitely building it in paper, and this deck tech earned you a subscriber. I love seeing competitive monoWhite decks, and would be delighted to see more love for monoWhite.

@LocalGameGroup

4 жыл бұрын

(Played and won with this list just earlier today) - Minor Update! *Tome of Legends* is now in as a Draw Engine. PS-Thank you! Glad you’re enjoying the Deck. Easily my favorite to date.

I built this list a couple of months ago, and it is INSANE! I absolutely adore it, easily one of my favorite decks to pilot. And bonus: it breaks "the worst color in commander"! Thanks patrick, your thorough explanation and unique delivery really helped sell me on the deck, and now I can't stop playing it!

@LocalGameGroup

3 жыл бұрын

Is the current build on TappedOut linked? I love this deck as well, haha. Always happy to see new cards for it too (Losheel).

@JackRabbit9181996

3 жыл бұрын

@@LocalGameGroup I believe it is, and yes finding new toys for old favorites is always enjoyable!

I LOVE TESHAR SO MUCH. So excited for this video

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

*ME TOO!!!* ... Tesh is easily my favorite Commander to date. I will always be improving this list, so stay tuned for tweaks (particularly with what I’m seeing from Modern Horizons). It’s so unconventional and fun to play: cannot get enough of this Deck. -Patrick

Oh hell yes. New vid. Can't wait to be back from work.

This is an outstanding tech! Subbed!

Just found your channel, and was actually brewing Teshar with a friend. And opened KZread to see this video. Love your channel so far, hope to see more awesome vids!

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

Expect to see more & *then some* this year! Big plans for the Channel. Going to take a while to execute on all of them, but for now? Plenty of Deck Techs to come. 🤘

@gabrielhipple412

5 жыл бұрын

@@LocalGameGroup hellz yeah! Keep up the awesome work and vids

Thank you for this! keep it up!

@LocalGameGroup

3 жыл бұрын

Of course! The deck link listed may be old... Allow me a moment to post a new link

Thank you for such in depth analysis. Wizards needs to print a spawn token or a custom one with the character spawn would be cool :)

@LocalGameGroup

3 жыл бұрын

Of course! Easily my favorite list to play. Will only get better with time.

I think blasting station and grinding station’s untap effects are treated as triggers so you can sacrifice Ornithopter to them with the etb trigger to untap it on the stack then resolve the trigger and follow it up by sacrificing myr retriever. The only thing I could find to support this was discussion on mass resurrection effects such as open the vaults.

Super hyped! Just building Teshar as you speak!

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

You see the announced, *Ranger-Captain of Eos* from Horizons? Yeah... This deck just got a whole lot stronger. -Patrick

@jaymorgan3433

5 жыл бұрын

Ranger is amazing

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

It hits so many cards here... Also, the *Scrapyard Recombiner* will Tutor nearly everything we need to secure a game... I’ve just seen the Horizon(s) and it looks promising. -Patrick

@JosephsDeckTechs

5 жыл бұрын

Yes! So many new powerful cards and so many more spoils await us!

Recently just built a very budget, more casual version of Teshar, and it seems like a very fun and durdly deck. Will need to grab a Blasting/Grinding station at some point to really put the deck into overdrive.

I've been playing the deck for a couple months, honestly it's my favorite cedh deck, out of the few I've built. I even built a less powerful, but even that can get goofy really fast.

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

🤘 Rock on! Glad you’re enjoying the list. Teshar is easily my favorite Commander 🕊 Part Two on the bird airs tomorrow! -Patrick

Someone in my playgroup is building this deck. Cant wait to play against it, seems super cool

@LocalGameGroup

3 жыл бұрын

Oh! Happy to hear that. Be sure they follow this version: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/a-better-teshar-ancestors-apostle-2/ (most up to date)

Nice video, I'll share you with my friends. I think I could build a starter Teshar on a budget and build up to a cedh variant

I actually run a lot of similar cards in my personal favorite commander, Darien King of Kjeldor. I think Darien could actually be a good addition in your 99, there's a lot of combo potential that he has given how many sac outlets and other value pieces you include in the deck. He's probably too high costed in order to ever be cEDH playable, but one can dream. He was my first ever commander, and I never get tired of playing that deck.

I've seen a similar edh deck. I really appreciate explaining these lines. Good stuff! What's the fastest turn you have goldfished a W?

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

Turn Two, but without any form of protection. Teshar isn’t a fast combo deck, but with the new additions I’m seeing from *Modern Horizons,* we’ll be moving a lot quicker. -Patrick

This is a sweet pile of cards.

Such flavor

Love the deck techs. I built this list and it is an absolute blast to play. I have only played a couple of games, but is there any particular reason you're running gusthas scepter and jeweled amulet other than the teshar trigger? I have been thinking of running chrome mox and mox amber instead. But I assumed you had a good reason to exclude them!

@chriskintz2246

3 жыл бұрын

I also currently do not own a mox diamond but I do have an LED which has been working out pretty well in its place.

@LocalGameGroup

3 жыл бұрын

There are layered reasons, all of which should be on the original written primer over on TappedOut concerning both card choices. Current list can be found here: www.moxfield.com/decks/-8WKaxqT3kK4gCBKiXX5AQ - LED is great 👌 I try to avoid stabbing myself in the foot, but it does work.

What are you using Pyre of Heroes (from your current list) for?

Just built a Teshar as well and I've been looking to tweak it. Just a quick question: why no Perilous Myr? Nevertheless, your list is awesome and the video is very explanatory as always!

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

It’s a bit of a do nothing outside of a combo, *Perilous Myr.* Same could be said for most of the deck... However, with with *Altar of Demnetia,* *Grinding Station,* *Blasting Station,* *Codex Shredder,* *Shriekhorn* & *Walking Ballista* this deck has more than enough win cons that work well with one another. Instead of Myr, simply loop a self-mill card like *Wand of Vertebrae* until you find Ballista and with ♾ Mana, blow out the board that way. 👌 It’s not quite what this list needs. Check out my Primer, serves a lot better at explaining the various ways this deck wins with seemingly useless Cards. Be well and Happy Brewing! -Patrick

Have you thought about including Altar of the Brood? It's basically an Altar of Dementia, but I can understand how Dementia is more flexible because it can also allow you to self mill when needed.

@LocalGameGroup

3 жыл бұрын

I have. Too many *Underworld Breach* decks would benefit when I'm not going infinite.

Just watched your updated list, am i missing something? Cards like Not Forgotten, Tireless Tribe.. What for? Anyways, nice list, nice card choice and nice idea. Totally agree with the milling=drawing concept, thats interesting and really worth a try. Let me know mate, cheers.

@LocalGameGroup

4 жыл бұрын

Had such a fun time playing Teshar earlier today! Just added *Tome of Legends* (works with infinite mana to Draw the deck). So: 1. Not Forgotten - Recovers Removal/Utility and Creatures Blocker (also hits Opponent’s), 2. Tireless Tribe - Discards Apostle(s), core to getting the combo started (w/o Casting them).

Great content on Teshar. Any new additions to the deck with the release of newer sets?

@LocalGameGroup

4 жыл бұрын

A few actually! When you visit the listing, hit the Tab that says "Update" - that'll cover everything that has been replaced since this list was featured. If you want to stay up to date on the current Deck version(s) the Tapped Out page is always best.

Wow man, between this, Neheb and Selvala you keep hitting my favourites commander! Your list is obviously very refined and thought out, and I wanted to know your opinion on why you play or not certain cards: 1) Implement of Improvement: it might not be as strong as Chromatic Star, but combined with Ironworks it nets you mana and a card; 2) Scrabbling Claws is a great graveyard hate card that happens to synergize very well with this commander; 3) Hope of Ghirapur: repetable protection worked really good for me in the past, have you found it too inconsistent? On the same note, I would like to mention Selfless Spirit as well 4) I took a page from the deceased Modern Eggs deck and play Second Sunrise and Faith's Reward, and so far I have really liked those cards; 5) Random value/comboy creatures and artifacts: Glint Hawk, Kor Skyfisher, Grand Abolisher, Scarecrone (this might feel odd to you, but I really like this card), Filigree Familiar, Auriok Salvagers, Ichor Wellspring, Mycosinth Wellspring, Wall of Omens, Mentor o the Meek, Fiend Hunter and Skullclamp; 6) you are playing Engineered Exlosive and Chalice of the Void in your list: aren't they a bit too much self-desruptive (expecially chalice) for you to play? Lastly, I see you have already included the might Ranger-Captain of Eos from Moder Horizon, and I can't agree more with you on this choice. Do you think Vesperlark (the new baby Reveillark) will deserve a spot as well?

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

Love your thumbnail, one of my favorite MTG arts. Gonna start there, haha. Also, I’ll be answering these questions (and more) tomorrow w/Part Two, but! ... 1. I’ve played Improvement and had used it in an initial build. The deck deflates without a sac outlet and that card was ultimately removed for it. I will admit, *unlimited draw* is pretty tight though. 2. Another one that was in the list initially... I love it. For the most part, I’ve migrated almost nearly all to Mill Strategy/Combos, but Conch could be replaced for Claws again. I love the synergy with Conch & (all) Mill Cards, but it is a flex spot. 3. Hope was taken out as well... Too slow. Generally, Orim’s Chant & Silence have proven valuable enough a form of protection. If anything else, Abeyance may go in. If Hope didn’t have to Attack first, it’d be worlds better. 4. No Comment 🤷‍♂️ Haven’t run these. I prefer a lower CMC. 5. I’ll talk on a majority of these, however... Auriok is horribly inconsistent here. It’s 4cmc (not Teshar-able), not tutor-able and functions most highly with LED. We don’t want to take a turn to hard cast him. 6. I talk on these extensively: they are must includes. Engineered for 1 removes all the Grafdigger Cages/Silent Gravestones we’ll be combating & Chalice is going to eliminate any Counters or stop other Deck plans. Remember, Teshar is a *Graveyard/Recursion* Deck. We can let our Myr Retriever get countered by this and shrug it off just fine. 7. Vesperlark! Love it. Not sure there’s any meaningful combo here with the Lark, at least not within my list, but it does have a few targets. However, too few to be of any real value. Ranger-Captain, Prismatic Vista are in so far... We’ll see what else gets release. Scrapyard Recombiner may make the cut as well.

@SuperDomi94

5 жыл бұрын

The 99 thank you for your answer, it’s always good to hear how other deckbuilders feel about certain cards! I’ll be waiting (im)patiently for part 2, good thing it will be out tomorrow!

So, at 18:12, it's not really necessary to have another 0-cost artifact to continue the loop. You can just wait until Memnite enters the battlefield, putting the untap trigger of Grinding Station on the stack, then in response sacrifice Memnite to Grinding Station. Station untaps from the previous trigger and you can use it to sacrifice Workshop Assistant, getting back your Memnite. This still mills the opponents out which should be good enough, right?

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

This is true. Netting Infinite Generic isn’t quite necessary for the Mill element of *Grinding Station* to come into effect, as you can always grind that Artifact away while the Trigger is on the stack and then Untap away. Very true. 👌 I usually try to get as much as I can out of it. -Patrick

@MasterQuestMaster

5 жыл бұрын

@@LocalGameGroup When I first watched this video, the way you showed the combo made it seem to me like the two artifacts were necessary. Playtesting with Teshar, I found out that it also works fine without it, so I wanted to confirm whether the Mana Crypt was just there for value after all. Thanks for the clarification :)

What do you think of some of the new cards out of Modern Horizons and M20? Ranger-Captain of Eos, Vesperlark, Scrapyard Recombiner, and Salvager of Ruin?

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

Oh! Check out the updated Primer. All my thoughts are there... Had fun playing Teshar just yesterday! Brought Back, Ranger-Captain, Salvager of Ruins & (recently added/not new) Argivian Find have all brought along much success to the list.

You should draw on your turn. Good advice

99th like, loved the video!

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I hoped it helped in your brewing. Be well and enjoy the rest of Summer! -Patrick

I'm definitely late on commenting, but I enjoyed your Teshar videos, but I have to ask; couldn't you make the Blasting Station combo simpler? You can just wait for Lotus Petal to resolve, Sac it, Sac Workshop Assistant, Cast Petal, ect. Great video either way!

@LocalGameGroup

3 жыл бұрын

Time signature? I don’t remember how what I illustrated, but there are hundreds of ways to go about these play lines. 🤝

What do you think about Altar of the Brood in this deck?

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

In this instance, I wish *Altar of the Brood* hit us to... It’d help us find those resources we need binned for recursion. Otherwise, it’s fine. We have a multitude of ways to Mill our opponents sans this effect though, so we can likely go without. *Mesmeric Orb* is the big one for this Deck in concerns to Mill Value and messing up our Opponents. -Patrick

fantastic video but I need to as why the stoneforge? you only have Skullclamp in the deck?

@LocalGameGroup

4 жыл бұрын

*Piston Sledge* is also in under “Worship.” So, outlet or sac engine.

@lordgherkinface

4 жыл бұрын

@@LocalGameGroup didnt see that, but is defence grid not just better in that 2 drop slot?

@LocalGameGroup

4 жыл бұрын

Defense Grid? Over Stoneforge Mystic? Not at all. Any and every Tutor that: 1. Finds you a Combo component, 2. An Outlet, 3. Can be leveraged multiple times (via Teshar/Sac Engine) is *always* better than the next available option. Relevant Tutors should be the utmost priority of every cEDH build. Defense Grid is fine, but not a suitable replacement for Stoneforge Mystic.

@lordgherkinface

4 жыл бұрын

@@LocalGameGroup thanks for the advice

When will we see Teshar in action in Brew Wars?

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

Should be this weekend. -Patrick

@MasterQuestMaster

5 жыл бұрын

@@LocalGameGroup Wow, I'm looking forward to it then :D

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

(Although, it’s looking like it may be a set review now that M20 has been spoiled)... -Patrick

I really wish I could afford to build this deck :/

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

Proxy. It. Up! Took me a long time to afford all the cards here 😅 Literally just bought the final card I needed, *City of Traitors.* Had used a Gold border for a long time. So long as your playgroup doesn’t mind, do it to it! -Patrick

@jaymorgan3433

5 жыл бұрын

@@LocalGameGroup I might Patrick, my play group is cool with it, it's just a pride thing for me. It's a good feeling when you can finally afford/trade for the cards you love :) Really love your brews and content, keep em coming man!! - Jason

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I was really happy looking over the deck with all the pieces in place. That journey is equally rewarding too though! Thing is, I wasn’t going to deny myself the experience or satisfaction of playing the deck till then. I understand what you mean though. You’ll get there! I’m constantly sending Card Kingdom trade ins for new releases... With Modern Horizons, looks like I’ll be sending a few more 😵 -Patrick

Why do you call the battlefield the "deck" that's a bit confusing.

@LocalGameGroup

3 жыл бұрын

Nautical term.

@Peterphonetube

3 жыл бұрын

@@LocalGameGroup I figured the meaning but for newer players it might result in confusion.

Can you stop saying “on deck” and start saying “on the field/battlefield”

@LocalGameGroup

4 жыл бұрын

Navy brat... It’s “deck” for me. Force of habit. 👌

@ggangulo

4 жыл бұрын

@@LocalGameGroup on deck works for me

@FunnyPrankLaughs

4 жыл бұрын

The 99 you’re good!

Overstuffed with graveyard combo, dead in the water with any graveyard hate, you built this deck as if mtg is a single player game.....

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

I talk about Grave hate in the Primer. Did you look over the list? There are plenty of cards I’m not using because there aren’t enough *Grafdigger Cage’s* to stop me. So far, hasn’t been a *Silent Gravestone* I didn’t break. Give the list a thorough look next time. 👌 -Patrick

@chubby_deity3143

5 жыл бұрын

The 99 the list is VERY linear, if you really win with this deck, find a bigger pond, no offense

@LocalGameGroup

5 жыл бұрын

Part of Deck building, in concerns to this format, is understanding the Commander’s strength. Leveraging it fully. This list is geared towards that. What would you suggest adding alternatively to make it stronger? I prefer a conversation, not empty criticism. I *personally* want to provide folks the *best* versions of their favorite Decks, so if you think you can help with that I’m all ears (eyes). -Patrick

@chubby_deity3143

5 жыл бұрын

The rewards section is enough, no need for “rewards?”, can easily cut the worship section by half. Not enough removal to stop other decks, only decent stax suite, have 0 need for dropping cards straight into graveyards, and card draw would be nice

@chubby_deity3143

5 жыл бұрын

There’s building to a commanders forte and then there’s overlying on its ability, really recommend a plan b that doesn’t need Teshar to win